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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 5, 2008 14:01:34 GMT -5
If we are truly Christians, then we have to understand that we all belong to the same Church (body of Christ). As such, being members of that body we also not only have our own unique gifts to bring to the Church, but we all need one another. ariandgabe, What church do you attend for fellowship and worship? Scott
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 5, 2008 14:56:47 GMT -5
jwbdurston wrote;When the currency of the world is crude oil as it is today and these countries refuse to endorse the US $ where does that leave the $ to go? It becomes worthless. When the $ becomes worthless what happens to the US public?You got it my friend, and with the newly elected president, the 'Fall of Babilon' is all set to be fulfilled once again. The corruption, the love of $ has helped influence the world as we see it today, except they know and are all geting ready, bracing themselves for what's coming on the US. Everyone except this country sees the imminent future destined to come on this once great country of ours 'The Great Babilon'. The cry of the millions and millions of innocent babies who have been murdered because of 'choice' for the 'LOVE' of 'self' caused by their 'fornication' cry out to God: Rev 17:5-6 MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. NKJV The production of pornography in the US has truly corrupted the earth. I wittnessed that even in the jungels of the Philippines, with ONE VCR in the whole town, men gather to watch American made PORN. Rev 19:2 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her."NKJV 3 Again they said, "Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!"NKJV I'm not prophesying, every human should see what's coming to this country. So many are diligenly working to bring this country down, fulfilling Gods punishment without even knowing what they're doing; Ex 9:16 16 But indeed for this purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.NKJV
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 5, 2008 15:00:25 GMT -5
ariandgabe,
What church do you attend for fellowship and worship?
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 5, 2008 15:15:59 GMT -5
1 John 1 Walking in the light 5This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. 8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. Matthew 18:20 20For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." 1 Corinthians 1 2To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours: 3Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 14 Orderly Worship 26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God. Ephesians 2 19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.arianandgabe, Do you think it is important to gather with other Christians to worship the Lord? Scott
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Post by lin on Nov 5, 2008 15:42:20 GMT -5
Why then do the Baptists meet with Baptists, Methodists with Methodist,CMA with CMA etc. Why don't they have one big congregation and all be united as brethern. In our town we had a big split in the Methodist Church because there was an argument over whether the hymns should in spiritual rock or contemporary.
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Post by ilylo on Nov 5, 2008 15:55:35 GMT -5
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Your church also experienced a split of its own over whether or not workers should be assigned to fields under the direction of a regional overseer.
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 5, 2008 16:10:49 GMT -5
Why then do the Baptists meet with Baptists, Methodists with Methodist,CMA with CMA etc. Why don't they have one big congregation and all be united as brethern. In our town we had a big split in the Methodist Church because there was an argument over whether the hymns should in spiritual rock or contemporary. Because they choose to. When a person chooses which church they want to be a member of, they do it for a number of reasons. When I am out riding my motorcycle, I don't assume that everyone else who rides a motorcycle is either Christian or if so a member of the same church I attend. But when I visit with them and find out they are a Christian, then I consider them a brother (or sister) in Christ, and freely share with them. I have had great fellowship with other Christians without ever knowing what church they attend. I have some great fellowship with members of your church also lin, and I don't meet with them in their meetings. BUT... We view each other as fellow Christians and as such, brothers and sisters in Christ and members of the same Church (body of Christ). I feel sadness when I see people in various denominations who exclude THEMSELVES from fellowshipping with Christians because of the belief that they are somehow separate from all others. To me, that is as if they are denying that they members of the body of Christ. Scott
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Post by lin on Nov 5, 2008 16:18:07 GMT -5
What do you mean by exclude?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Nov 5, 2008 16:25:09 GMT -5
I can hardly believe I'm responding to a post of yours James but I too read the book lin mentioned "None Dare Call It Treason" and other books by the same author, "None Dare Call It Conspiracy", "Say No to the New World Order". The author's name is Gary Allen I think. I read those books when I was in high school in the mid 70s. I did a research paper on the book "The Fabian Freeway" in HS too. When the subject of a carbon tax came up at the Environmental Summit George Bush SR. was in in Rio it was easy to see it was a way to redistribute wealth world wide - a global redistribution of wealth. Like you say in your first paragraph if man will have any chance at world goverment it will be nessessary for there to be an equalization of wealth among that world government's member states. That was what the UN carbon tax would have done - it was a take from the haves and give to the have nots on a global level. It had nothing to do with global warming at all. The way to "foist" this whole scheme on the public is to divorce from the voting public's thinking the reality government money comes from people actually working and earning a living. In other words make it look like government money grows on trees and is free for the picking. It looks like we are there, here in the US anyway, the voting block of those depending on government payments to live seems to be an unstoppable majority now. That is when democracy turns to socalism/communism in an unrecoverable way - when the public finds it easier to vote itself money from the "public treasury" than to work for it. They forget that all government money is money taken at gunpoint from those who produced it through blood sweat and tears. The reality of this is the honest working man is now a slave, no other way to put it. If any don't believe we are there try not paying your taxes - for those of you who still do - men with guns will come and collect it. You are a slave. Thus the stage is set for totalitarian dictatorship. I think the world will change in profound ways in the next few decades. I suscribe to Aviation Week and Space Technonogy and read in it that China is graduating 600,000 aerospace and defense engineers every year, India 150,000 - guess how many the US is graduating. How about 60,000, and 20,000 of those take their degree back to the country they are native to. So ask yourselves, what will the world look like in 50 years with a 15 to 1 disparity of aerospace and defense engineer graduates?? I told my kids they should probably start learning how to say "yes sir" in Chinese. Jesse There is a designed plan at bringing the world to the same level. Nations are opting out of the $ at a startling rate. The reserve currency for those that don’t know is something for a tough time or rainy day. The $ has always been used as the reserve currency, you could always depend on the US$ but NOT ant more!! The world is scared to death of the extremely de-valued $.......9.34 trillion in debt. They are not trusting in T-bills and credit any longer. The world is no longer using the $ as world currency. Six months ago countries stopped using the US $ as a reserve. These are the countries: China, Kuwait, Switzerland, Ecuador, Syria, Libya, South Korea, Argentine, Iran, Russia, Malaysia, and Brazil. This was all planed in advance; “they” knew exactly what they were going to do! Iran who supposedly has the 3rd largest oil field declared “we don’t want your US $, we are making our own”. They have now established their own bank successfully! Countries who have joined Iran no longer use US$ as trade of crude oil. Iran will not allow an American $ to be used in their banks at all. These countries have jumped ship: Venezuela %6 US oil supplies said, “no more US, we are finished”. Nigeria 2.6 million barrels a day….”we want another currency now”……Bolivia and then…oh my goodness…..along came Russia. As of November last year Russia equalled Saudi Arabia in crude oil output……….Humungous ramifications. When the currency of the world is crude oil as it is today and these countries refuse to endorse the US $ where does that leave the $ to go? It becomes worthless. When the $ becomes worthless what happens to the US public?
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 5, 2008 16:28:27 GMT -5
What do you mean by exclude?By excluding themselves, I mean they do not openly talk with Christians they come across about their faith in Jesus/God, and what that means in their lives. I have stood in motorcycle shops and talked about my faith and how great it is to live under the grace of God with someone I had never met before. I go out of my way to share my faith with others that I find are fellow Christians.. I do not exclude myself by judging whether someone else is a Christian or not, but choose to fellowship with others who show me that they are fellow Christians.. Scott
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Post by lin on Nov 5, 2008 16:29:57 GMT -5
This is the beginning of the battle against world order. Ever read about the Free Masons?
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Post by lin on Nov 5, 2008 16:36:20 GMT -5
Scott I do that every day too. I don't think everyone can do this though. I believe there are people with a deep faith in God,but can't easily express it to others because of shyness, fear of being ridiculed etc. Not everyone is alike. Your probably like me. I've never met a stranger.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Nov 5, 2008 16:59:24 GMT -5
This is the beginning of the battle against world order. Ever read about the Free Masons? I don't believe man will win the battle against the new world order, he's going to have his last blast at trying to govern himself and it will not work any better / last any longer than it has any other time. We were talking about this at work last week, about blood crying out to God, will he listen? Well, God said "I have made man upright - but he has sought out many inventions." God leaves man to his own choices and inventions. The most horrible things that have happened to men have been done to them by their fellow man. Man has treated his fellow man way worse than animals have treated their fellow animals. Only consolation seems to be - "this world is not my home".
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Post by sapphire on Nov 5, 2008 17:01:48 GMT -5
Thanks to those who responded to my post... but, wow, jwbdurston and ariandgabe, you guys lost me with all this talk about murderers coming to your door and people living in sin and adultery, etc., etc. Not to say some of what you wrote isn't true, but... well, you're just off on a totally different subject than what my post was about. I was simply stating that you shouldn't think that people still going to meetings are all going to hell, just because they didn't leave the meetings like you did. They're not murderers, or committing some other terrible crime... they're honest, law-abiding Christian people who truly love the Lord, and they're happy where they are! So don't worry about them. Duh... call the police, dude!! You're talking about a CRIME against society here - not just a sin between that person and God. Wow, your definition of a cult is the broadest I've EVER seen... but just because YOU feel this defines a cult doesn't make it so to the rest of us. I personally prefer the theories of this website: www.religioustolerance.org/cultintro.htm. Depends whether you come and ASK me for advice or not. My place, as a child of God, isn't to go around spewing condemnation and judgement at everyone just because I don't agree with their lifestyle or just because I think they're committing a "sin". Jesus commanded that we should love others... and we all know you can win over a lot more people with love and kindness than you can with condemnation and judging. Speaking of which, I'm sure you've heard of the Fred Phelps gang? You know, if all I knew of Christianity was just the hateful venom they spew forth, I wouldn't want a thing to do with God! No way would I be a Christian, if that's what it's all about! BUT... we know that's NOT an example of a Christ-like spirit at all, thank goodness! Paul told the Colossians, "Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." Ariandgabe, maybe YOU feel like the Lord brought you to us, but if you approach everyone with that attitude, all it's going to do is turn most people off. I'm sure you don't intend to, but it sounds like you're lifting yourself up as some kind of prophet and you think we're all a bunch of criminals stuck in a cult. It feels like you're judging us, and you don't personally know any of us, nor do you know anything about our private relationship with our Saviour. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
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Post by Star Welters on Nov 5, 2008 17:54:59 GMT -5
It would be cool to see an answer to this question. ariandgabe, What church do you attend for fellowship and worship?
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 5, 2008 18:15:22 GMT -5
Siwells: The Elite of this world are not Arabs, they are not people who represent the interests of the Arab world. I have already spoken briefly on the money. The Arabs have built their empires on…what….$50 plus a barrel and when they bring the money down below that the Arabs have built their empires on it will be catastrophic. The Elite already know who will be the next seriously wealthy people because its all by design plan, planned long ago. The government’s deliberately bankrupt people so they can buy their assets for pennies on the dollar, they never buy when the businesses are doing really well. Their intention is to impoverish everyone so they can be controlled (New World Order). I agree with you about Israel and probably Iran will (as it is now) be backed by Russia. When the US falls…AND GUYS IT IS ON THE VERGE (which is why I want to help you prepare yourselves) then you will really see some terrible things coming in to play!
Ariangabe: Amen…..Yes Yes Yes…I understand at the moment that the US is the daughter of Babylon and UK is Babylon……..hey I am not totally sure but whatever, in principle we agree and it is terribly frightening.
Ariangabe said, “except they know and are all getting ready, bracing themselves for what's coming on the US. Everyone except this country sees the imminent future destined to come on this once great country of ours 'The Great Babylon'.”
You guys need to start listening to this dude…..because I know he knows what he is talking about!!
Hey Jesse Lackman: Praise the Lord, that is what I have to say……….there is so much at stake here and I believe the Lord wants to speak to us all!! Lets put aside our past differences and see where this leads!
Lin: The very highest ranking free masons are part of the Elite.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Nov 5, 2008 18:53:07 GMT -5
I read an article a couple weeks ago that described an interview with a government agent that had infiltrated the Ayers / Weather Underground movement. This man was in a room with about 25 of those people and said it was amazing to hear them talk about their plans to take the US to communism, and how to liquidate the 25 million Americans they thought would not be willing to be re-educated. What was stunning to him was that those 25 people all had advanced degrees from the best universities - they were the intellectually elite - and were discussing the murder of 25 million of their fellow Americans. The point was made that 25 "Joe the Plumbers" in a room would not think that way.
Interesting article to say the least.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Nov 5, 2008 19:37:14 GMT -5
OMG...jwb, ariandgabe, you guys are frightening. I hope y'all get locked up before you start an armageddon.
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Post by Sharon on Nov 5, 2008 20:08:38 GMT -5
jwbdurston wrote;When the currency of the world is crude oil as it is today and these countries refuse to endorse the US $ where does that leave the $ to go? It becomes worthless. When the $ becomes worthless what happens to the US public?You got it my friend, and with the newly elected president, the 'Fall of Babilon' is all set to be fulfilled once again. The corruption, the love of $ has helped influence the world as we see it today, except they know and are all geting ready, bracing themselves for what's coming on the US. Everyone except this country sees the imminent future destined to come on this once great country of ours 'The Great Babilon'. The cry of the millions and millions of innocent babies who have been murdered because of 'choice' for the 'LOVE' of 'self' caused by their 'fornication' cry out to God: Rev 17:5-6 MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. NKJV The production of pornography in the US has truly corrupted the earth. I wittnessed that even in the jungels of the Philippines, with ONE VCR in the whole town, men gather to watch American made PORN. Rev 19:2 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her."NKJV 3 Again they said, "Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!"NKJV I'm not prophesying, every human should see what's coming to this country. So many are diligenly working to bring this country down, fulfilling Gods punishment without even knowing what they're doing; Ex 9:16 16 But indeed for this purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.NKJV It isn't going to be quite that abbreviated I don't think...first the powers that will be the abomination of the desolation in Daniel will have to infiltrate the higher ranks of the American Government...perhaps that door has just been opened as of yesterday! Time will only tell, of course...but the American nation as a whole will have to become Israel's enemy...as well as any other nation that may well still hold as its' ally nation! Then I think when the abomination of the desolation of Daniel is completed then yes, the powers that are in at that time will be sent down to powerlessness! But that's just what I get from reading the process that's going to have to take place for Jesus' return, then the last days just before Judgment, etc.
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Post by Sharon on Nov 5, 2008 20:13:15 GMT -5
This is the beginning of the battle against world order. Ever read about the Free Masons? I don't believe man will win the battle against the new world order, he's going to have his last blast at trying to govern himself and it will not work any better / last any longer than it has any other time. We were talking about this at work last week, about blood crying out to God, will he listen? Well, God said "I have made man upright - but he has sought out many inventions." God leaves man to his own choices and inventions. The most horrible things that have happened to men have been done to them by their fellow man. Man has treated his fellow man way worse than animals have treated their fellow animals. Only consolation seems to be - "this world is not my home". Jesse, you reminded me again about the question I thought of the other day...are the days that God spoke of that there wouldn't need be a preacher any more because all knew about God, Jesus and salvation? I mean we have a small sampling of people on here saying that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ because we all believe in salvation through His blood...I think perhaps we could go one step more here, that our confidence is in the fact of God's omnipotent powers of resurrection and Jesus being the firstborn of the resurrection gives us that confidence! However, the "spirit" of this whole issue comes off as no one needs to be told the gospel story anymore...so thus God's prophecy has come true??? Just a thought, I'm not so sure about it yet...but continue to wonder about the validity of that thought for a while now!
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Nov 5, 2008 21:13:20 GMT -5
first the powers that will be the abomination of the desolation in Daniel will have to infiltrate the higher ranks of the American Government siwells, are you into this conspiracy theory stuff, too? I have a question. Most scholars agree that Daniel was "predicting" the events of his author's time, in about 165 BC. For example, the "abomination of desolation" was the big statue of Zeus that was set up next to the altar of the Temple by Antiochus IV. But then, of course, that became a type of the "abomination of desolation" discussed in the gospels, when they refer to the Jewish war of 70 AD. Now, we think it's going to happen a third time? I guess because Revelation mentions it too? When do these things stop happening? Will there be a fourth, and a fifth?
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Post by shushy on Nov 5, 2008 21:36:37 GMT -5
Im waiting for the peace treaty to be signed, then 3 n half yrs of peace, then the tribulation. I think that it will be an exciting time in history for this reason. As the darkness increases so will the Glory of God. As christians we should not fear our times but embrace the Lord all the more and watch, be alert. The power of God will be needed and manisfested greatly. So if ya dont believe in the power of God now you sure will then. Sharpen up men and women of God.
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Post by Sharon on Nov 5, 2008 22:30:25 GMT -5
first the powers that will be the abomination of the desolation in Daniel will have to infiltrate the higher ranks of the American Government siwells, are you into this conspiracy theory stuff, too? I have a question. Most scholars agree that Daniel was "predicting" the events of his author's time, in about 165 BC. For example, the "abomination of desolation" was the big statue of Zeus that was set up next to the altar of the Temple by Antiochus IV. But then, of course, that became a type of the "abomination of desolation" discussed in the gospels, when they refer to the Jewish war of 70 AD. Now, we think it's going to happen a third time? I guess because Revelation mentions it too? When do these things stop happening? Will there be a fourth, and a fifth? dc, I know history repeats itself over and over....I almost feel that the American nation will have to fall like Rome did many centuries ago! Humans do not learn from their pasts is the biggest fault I see in mankind! Yes, history will repeat itself over and over until God decides that time will be no more for the old heaven and earth....but there's things that have to come to pass first.....yes it says that it'll be like in the days of Noah when Jesus returns.. we can look at what conditions were like when He was born....some very similar conditions as in the days of Noah, no? So in kind when He returns. As well the great abomination of desolation of Daniel...yes it was a prophecy that seemed to be filled more then once already...but the times it's happened already seems worse then the time before...because there's more population, there's newer technology so-to-speak! God's going to tolerate this repeated mistake making just so much before He calls it in....I believe that...why He's tolerated this long is nothing but pure love and mercy on His part! JMHOP!
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 6, 2008 2:16:03 GMT -5
I read an article a couple weeks ago that described an interview with a government agent that had infiltrated the Ayers / Weather Underground movement. This man was in a room with about 25 of those people and said it was amazing to hear them talk about their plans to take the US to communism, and how to liquidate the 25 million Americans they thought would not be willing to be re-educated. What was stunning to him was that those 25 people all had advanced degrees from the best universities - they were the intellectually elite - and were discussing the murder of 25 million of their fellow Americans. The point was made that 25 "Joe the Plumbers" in a room would not think that way. Interesting article to say the least. This lines up exactly with years of information and knowledge that I and others have!
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 6, 2008 22:10:38 GMT -5
I have got information which I will be posting in the next day or two that backs up what I am saying about this rouge planet that is comeing into our solar system and the terible effects it will have....you see the elite dont care how many people die, they actually want a mass reduction in population anyway.
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Post by Sharon on Nov 6, 2008 22:24:34 GMT -5
I have got information which I will be posting in the next day or two that backs up what I am saying about this rouge planet that is comeing into our solar system and the terible effects it will have....you see the elite dont care how many people die, they actually want a mass reduction in population anyway. jwdurston! I have to wonder about this red planet you speak of...I've wondered if there wasn't a nation stockpiling Atomic Bomb capabilities that'll surpass Japan's fall years and years ago? The powers that'll be definitely be glad that the old, sick, disabled and unchangeable will be deleted for all time....don't need that kind of people around, do they? Fittest of the surivival, and all!
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Post by shushy on Nov 6, 2008 22:39:42 GMT -5
On a positive note, the kingdom of God will draw in thousands of people. Many souls will come to Christ. The love of God will not wax cold. In the midst of turmoil and strife God will be gloryfied and his power will destroy the enemy before us. I want to be on his side when all this happens. My faith is in the power of my God and I know it will be incredible frightening but also enlightening times.
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