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Post by jwbdurston on Oct 30, 2008 21:37:34 GMT -5
Its interesting reading all your notes. Just so you know that at the time before the flood you had the nephilim. You need to read the book of Enoch to help understanding as well as the Bible. Researching the history as well as the Bible book will help untold. The nephilim were the fallen angels who came down and had relaionship with mankind. This is where demons (evil spirits) most likely come from. These days where incredibly evil. It speaks in the bible about "everything under the sun to do with evil has been done" (something like that)...... This simply refers to the principle condition/motives of mans heart/mind as opposed to the total outworking of evil in all its total diverse ways.
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Post by jwbdurston on Oct 30, 2008 21:41:01 GMT -5
I am sure there where many kinds of so called drugs before the time of Noah, also there was much technology, much imparted by the fallen angels. There where ufo,s......in the bible they are refered to as chariots (if you want I can get the exact verses). hundreds of thousands of people today have sighted ufo's in the air including my self and my wife...........
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Post by rational on Oct 30, 2008 22:29:24 GMT -5
Make it out to me, Ken. I am the CEO of The Company. Don't listen to them. They do not have the details needed to form a viable escape plan. I have inside information from the Xelonds. They have agreed to take people to their world (located behind Mars). They are willing to to this in exchange for a chance to do what all aliens seem very interested in doing - poking and probing the nether region of humans. How can I charge for this? Well, are you on speaking terms with the Xelonds?
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 30, 2008 23:52:18 GMT -5
I like the poking and probing aspect.
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Post by rational on Oct 31, 2008 0:03:31 GMT -5
I like the poking and probing aspect. I have put in the reservations for a single seat gurney.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 31, 2008 0:05:08 GMT -5
Everything is ready on my end.
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Post by jwbdurston on Oct 31, 2008 3:23:50 GMT -5
there is so much hidden tecknology out there like free electricity but they wont let you have it because they want monney and control
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2008 5:14:11 GMT -5
The greatest gluttons the world has ever seen are those we see around us today.
ps. Alcohol is a drug, no?
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Post by rational on Oct 31, 2008 8:41:56 GMT -5
there is so much hidden tecknology out there like free electricity but they wont let you have it because they want monney and control Gee Jim, this sounds like the battery developed by Shipstone. Are they ready to release it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2008 11:19:51 GMT -5
Jimmy, I recollect some time ago on some format or other you were right into all this prophecy stuff. Back then I think you mentioned that a beautiful queen would rise up from Australasia somewhere, Victoria, Melbourne ? and would return to the parent land (UK ?) carrying with her a great show of love, yet after a short time would return from whence she had come, leaving behind much brokenheartedness.
I am wondering if this prophecy has come to pass ? Was this the Queen, Princess Diana, or someone else that you spoke off ? If it was one of the former two the prophecy would seem to be in reverse order and most likely has been fulfilled ?
Your up to date thoughts please !
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Post by Sharon on Oct 31, 2008 13:26:05 GMT -5
" The nephilim were the fallen angels who came down and had relaionship with mankind. "
I think the bible pretty well states that because it does say the Sons of God took wives of the daughters of the sons of men. Can't very well deduce that sons of men became Sons of God and kept living on the earth, but does explain a lot about the "fallen angels", Satan's own angels, etc. I've read a lot in the Apopcrypha and missing books of the Bible, etc....and yes it straightens out a lot of the historical facts! And has made me realize that "history keeps repeating itself"....man doesn't learn from past experiences much less past mistakes, do they? ha ha
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Post by jwbdurston on Oct 31, 2008 15:21:36 GMT -5
History sure does repeat itself and Bert is right, the current situation of the world now is beyond belief. We live in a terible time, God has and will allow these calamities on mankind because of her disobedience. The nations truley deserve the wrath of God and quite frankly I cant wait.........I look forward to the day when God will punish the wicked and reward the rightous. I can understand how people disbelieve what I have written so far and how people think this and that about me and quite frankly I dont have a problem with that.....But I tell you the truth that I know these things in essense to be correct. Watch out for the US as they impose martial law, they are waiting for their opportunity.........
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 31, 2008 15:24:20 GMT -5
Do you still have your testimony on line? Perhaps you could provide a link to it so those who haven't had the chance can see and listen to you in person. Scott
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Post by jwbdurston on Oct 31, 2008 17:59:52 GMT -5
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 31, 2008 18:16:39 GMT -5
Thanks. It might help people get to know you and your history with the truth fellowship.
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Post by degem on Oct 31, 2008 18:32:16 GMT -5
Scott, does your church have a website? Thanks
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 31, 2008 18:38:46 GMT -5
Scott, does your church have a website? Thanks It sure does Gem! There's all sorts of good stuff on it. The history and how it started is pretty interesting. It started around 1887, so has been around about 10 years longer than your church. (of course there are probably some in my church that think it goes back to the shores of Galilee...) Here's a link to it: www.cmalliance.org/whoweare/whoweare.jspScott
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Post by degem on Oct 31, 2008 18:46:31 GMT -5
Thanks Scott! I will have to ck it out. In the town that I was born and raised in, we have a CMA church there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2008 19:13:18 GMT -5
Jimmy, I recollect some time ago on some format or other you were right into all this prophecy stuff. Back then I think you mentioned that a beautiful queen would rise up from Australasia somewhere, Victoria, Melbourne ? and would return to the parent land (UK ?) carrying with her a great show of love, yet after a short time would return from whence she had come, leaving behind much brokenheartedness. I am wondering if this prophecy has come to pass ? Was this the Queen, Princess Diana, or someone else that you spoke off ? If it was one of the former two the prophecy would seem to be in reverse order and most likely has been fulfilled ? Your up to date thoughts please ! Jimmy, a thought just occurred to me. You weren't referring to the "Queen of the South" rising up ?
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 31, 2008 20:14:25 GMT -5
I would learn from my mistakes if I ever made any. It is rough being me. I see how JWD feels, anxiously awaiting the day his god punishes the wicked. Those of us who know how good we are have nothing to fear. We are sooooo good. Well, I am anyway.
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Post by Sharon on Oct 31, 2008 21:03:51 GMT -5
jwbd - do you think that there are ANY people that've been in the workers' church and have died will see salvation? I mean is it really right to "condemn" those who've done the "best they knew how" at any given time.....I mean I am in the "workers' church" but I don't subscribe to all that I've read on this website about them! I'm not saying the facts that've been stated are wrong, I just don't go along with that belief...I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT ONLY JESUS IS THE WAY AND ONLY JESUS..And God knows how much I rely on His grace for salvation...I'll never be able to pay the great debt I owe Him for His love in sending His Son to redeem us! Never! ..I also see some grave errors made in the last years in the fellowship and most of it is due to ignorance, lack of understanding and positions of power! I don't like it, but I'm finding the same things in other churches and I don't feel like it's right for me to condemn all the other churches because there's men who are wrong within them! I think of a question one lady asked, and it was do those of us in the f&w think that all the people who lived in America before the early 1900's were "lost souls for all eternity" just because the workers weren't here to preach the gospel? My answer was "No, indeed not....I know many who have believed in Christ and all that means through the Bible's words and they never had opportunity to know a thing about the workers or the f&w! I haven't been able to exactly embrace "christianity" in a church that prays to statuettes yet, for the Bible speaks against making unliving things like unto that which is alive and worshipping them, etc. I've even wondered about my "doll collection"! I like the collection but am wondering am I holding something that is an idol? But then I think children need dolls and toys etc. for proper development. Not all children can be raised on a farm with baby and small animals to fill that "developmental need".
BTW, I couldn't understand hardly anything you said on UTUBE! Sorry
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 1, 2008 0:20:10 GMT -5
Well its not my intention to offend anyone. If the problem on UTUBE is the volume go into control panel and max the volume, click the desktop volume icon and max it, turn your speakers up. I’m not sure that I was condemning the friends and workers, where did you read that?......one of the problems with many religious people Siwells is that they have a religious spirit. One of the things that come out of this is that they wont name something for what it is because they have been deceived that they will be ‘judging’ or ‘condemning’. By not naming something for what it is leads to deception and opens the doorway for sin and will cause a person to be confused. If people are truly living before God within the light of their conscience, who am I to judge?.............However this does not mean that I cannot or should not talk about my own experiences within this group. Indeed I have (as many people have) come to the absolute conclusion that this group is indeed a cult and on my web page I give full details as to why which includes my life storey and my testimony. Again I would say under caution: If people are truly living before God within the light of their conscience, who am I to judge?.......What is a realisation is that the Lord has clearly shown me what is right and what is wrong and the Lord has shown me that the group known as the Friends and Workers is contrary to His Word. Again I would say under caution: If people are truly living before God within the light of their conscience, who am I to judge?.........you see I am not judging I am saying what I know to be correct from my experiences and if the Lord has not shown you that,,,,well that is between Him and you…………
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 1, 2008 12:15:38 GMT -5
Jwbdurston wrote: Come to the absolute conclusion that this group is indeed a cult and on my web page I give full details as to why which includes my life storey and my testimony.When I ‘ariandgabe’ point out things like this, I get jumped on as being judgmental. I guess I should ‘always’ keep stating this next verse: “If people are truly living before God within the light of their conscience, who am I to judge?”This supposedly would keep ME from being judgmental, and NOT point a finger at let’s say ANY 2X2 who by the way, all claim that they; ‘truly are living before God within the light of their conscience’ thus, they can never say I was condemning them for being a cult, as we understand ‘cult’ meaning deception, lying, hiding the truth, condemning everyone as going to hell except for them, and so on. Is there a Catholic, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness who is NOT; “truly living before God within the light of their conscience”?What a cop-out. ‘Well its not my intention to offend anyone’.My God, do you really think that if a friend of yours came to your house and told you: ‘I was out getting drunk last night, coming home from the bar I killed a person on a bike, took off and I need your help to hide the evidence’ and you would be worried not to offend him if you told him that even if he gets away with it on earth, he will still have to face God on judgment day for the murder? Of course he will be offended that you tell him that when he’s asking for your help. Can you afford to do otherwise?Am I to understand that no matter what sin I do, you would never tell me to repent from it because you think you might offend me? This is why Gene is a happy little fellow flaunting his homosexuality before all you so called Christians (Except the few who remain consistent on standing firm on Gods Word). Because even HE ‘is truly living before God within the light of his conscience’, just ask him. Can someone tell me what sinner, who is obviously happy and content living in his sins, who is NOT; ‘truly living before God within the light of his conscience’? Why are you who call yourselves Christians so afraid to get the clear-cut message of God out to the people? Have you been so brainwashed that you are still afraid of the Workers? Maybe so. Then maybe that is another reason the Lord has brought me to you, to build up your courage to speak out. So why not join me in love for their soul in hopes of saving them from eternal torment, say with me; Listen Workers, the Bible says; "For many are called, but few are chosen."Hey Gene and all those that live in adultery, and other types of sexual immorality: 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 6:9-11J ames 4:2-5 2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain,"The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"? NKJV Hey you who think that just because you go to church and read the Bible can MAKE God take you in to the kingdom:Matt 8:12 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." NKJV
Matt 22:13 13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Matt 24:50-51 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. NKJVHey ‘believers’ who think that ‘saying little’ is the politically correct thing to do, that keep silent as not to be judgmental somehow or rather, better not, might have said but not meant to harm anyone’s feeling … Matt 25:29-30 29'For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' NKJVOh but Lord, we went to church all the time, we quit one church and left all those friends behind, all for you Lord, you know, we didn’t want to say too much because of the fear of judging them, who knows, maybe they still are; ‘truly living before God within the light of his conscience’? So I didn’t want to be harsh or anything; Luke 13:26-28 26 then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' 27 But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.' 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.NKJV Rev 19:20 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.NKJV You who say; Dietcoke is a nice man, he knows his Bible, so he doesn’t believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, so what, you wanted me to be like ariandgabe? Isn’t HE the False Prophet? Look how he points everything from your Word Lord; he doesn’t care who gets offended. He really ragged poor Gene Nelson for being gay, I’m sure you know it’s not Gene’s fault, so you made a mistake by letting you servants write things kind of judging homosexuality that it’s an abomination before you, should I point it out to him like ariandgabe? He has an evil heart to be able to say such things as to be; ‘cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever..’ anyone who says that has to be coldhearted no, is THAT what you wanted me to do? You know Jesus, you were a little confused here on earth like my dear friend Rational pointed out your inconsistencies so many times, and between the Love you showed us, you said some pretty harsh words there brother, what do you say for yourself now? Rev 20:9-10 And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.NKJV Well Lord, I don’t know about talking to you sometimes, I tend to agree with Rational and Ghost more and more.Wake up.
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Post by degem on Nov 1, 2008 12:49:01 GMT -5
ariandgabe's words:quote "all you so called Christians". Do you consider, ariandgabe, that you are on the same level as God is what it comes to "judging"people. Last time I read my Bible, God is the Final Judge of mankind. (the last time I read my Bible was this mg.)
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 1, 2008 13:07:54 GMT -5
Jwbdurston wrote: Come to the absolute conclusion that this group is indeed a cult and on my web page I give full details as to why which includes my life storey and my testimony.When I ‘ariandgabe’ point out things like this, I get jumped on as being judgmental. I guess I should ‘always’ keep stating this next verse: “If people are truly living before God within the light of their conscience, who am I to judge?”This supposedly would keep ME from being judgmental, and NOT point a finger at let’s say ANY 2X2 who by the way, all claim that they; ‘truly are living before God within the light of their conscience’ thus, they can never say I was condemning them for being a cult, as we understand ‘cult’ meaning deception, lying, hiding the truth, condemning everyone as going to hell except for them, and so on. Is there a Catholic, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness who is NOT; “truly living before God within the light of their conscience”?What a cop-out. ‘Well its not my intention to offend anyone’.My God, do you really think that if a friend of yours came to your house and told you: ‘I was out getting drunk last night, coming home from the bar I killed a person on a bike, took off and I need your help to hide the evidence’ and you would be worried not to offend him if you told him that even if he gets away with it on earth, he will still have to face God on judgment day for the murder? Of course he will be offended that you tell him that when he’s asking for your help. Can you afford to do otherwise?Am I to understand that no matter what sin I do, you would never tell me to repent from it because you think you might offend me? This is why Gene is a happy little fellow flaunting his homosexuality before all you so called Christians (Except the few who remain consistent on standing firm on Gods Word). Because even HE ‘is truly living before God within the light of his conscience’, just ask him. Can someone tell me what sinner, who is obviously happy and content living in his sins, who is NOT; ‘truly living before God within the light of his conscience’? Why are you who call yourselves Christians so afraid to get the clear-cut message of God out to the people? Have you been so brainwashed that you are still afraid of the Workers? Maybe so. Then maybe that is another reason the Lord has brought me to you, to build up your courage to speak out. So why not join me in love for their soul in hopes of saving them from eternal torment, say with me; Listen Workers, the Bible says; "For many are called, but few are chosen."Hey Gene and all those that live in adultery, and other types of sexual immorality: 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 6:9-11J ames 4:2-5 2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain,"The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"? NKJV Hey you who think that just because you go to church and read the Bible can MAKE God take you in to the kingdom:Matt 8:12 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." NKJV
Matt 22:13 13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Matt 24:50-51 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. NKJVHey ‘believers’ who think that ‘saying little’ is the politically correct thing to do, that keep silent as not to be judgmental somehow or rather, better not, might have said but not meant to harm anyone’s feeling … Matt 25:29-30 29'For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' NKJVOh but Lord, we went to church all the time, we quit one church and left all those friends behind, all for you Lord, you know, we didn’t want to say too much because of the fear of judging them, who knows, maybe they still are; ‘truly living before God within the light of his conscience’? So I didn’t want to be harsh or anything; Luke 13:26-28 26 then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' 27 But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.' 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.NKJV Rev 19:20 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.NKJV You who say; Dietcoke is a nice man, he knows his Bible, so he doesn’t believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, so what, you wanted me to be like ariandgabe? Isn’t HE the False Prophet? Look how he points everything from your Word Lord; he doesn’t care who gets offended. He really ragged poor Gene Nelson for being gay, I’m sure you know it’s not Gene’s fault, so you made a mistake by letting you servants write things kind of judging homosexuality that it’s an abomination before you, should I point it out to him like ariandgabe? He has an evil heart to be able to say such things as to be; ‘cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever..’ anyone who says that has to be coldhearted no, is THAT what you wanted me to do? You know Jesus, you were a little confused here on earth like my dear friend Rational pointed out your inconsistencies so many times, and between the Love you showed us, you said some pretty harsh words there brother, what do you say for yourself now? Rev 20:9-10 And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.NKJV Well Lord, I don’t know about talking to you sometimes, I tend to agree with Rational and Ghost more and more.Wake up. Hi there, ariandgabe, I am curious, and wonder if you consider yourself a sinner before God or not? Alvin
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Post by Sharon on Nov 1, 2008 15:22:40 GMT -5
"Can someone tell me what sinner, who is obviously happy and content living in his sins, who is NOT;"
What are sins? What are the direct names for "sins" as you think they are?
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 1, 2008 17:37:59 GMT -5
ARIANDGABE.......Just for the record I %1000 agree with you. The fact remains that these people are NOT liveing within the light of their conscience......and thats the point!.....they simply are not interested in truth and if you read this thread that I started you will see that contrary to what they say they are not sold out for Jesus Christ and when you tell the truth (and I am refering more to the writtem Word and its aplicatiion to the practical outliving of a Christian life) they get deeply offended. I sugest you go to my website and click on "cult truths". I hope this helps.
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Post by Gene on Nov 1, 2008 17:56:13 GMT -5
This is why Gene is a happy little fellow flaunting his homosexuality before all you so called Christians (Except the few who remain consistent on standing firm on Gods Word). Because even HE ‘is truly living before God within the light of his conscience’, just ask him.
Well, I'm not all THAT little. Frankly, I'm not interested in inheriting the kingdom of your god.
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