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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 28, 2008 23:04:30 GMT -5
But you are looking at it all negatively. Think of the fun we are going to have on the Universal Tilt-A-Whirl! The globe flip-flopping through the universe with no particular destination, no particular sun, no particular axis, . . . WHHEEEEEEE! What a thrill ride!
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Post by jwbdurston on Oct 29, 2008 0:45:38 GMT -5
ok guys...I think I will call it a day. All those years when Noah built the ark the ridicule and scorn and looked what happened. I told you guys over ayear ago about the financial crash that was going to happen, you laughed then and now it has happened. What I am saying now needs to be acted on. If you want to contact me go to my web page on www.thefriendsandworkerscult.com
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2008 8:04:26 GMT -5
ok guys...I think I will call it a day. All those years when Noah built the ark the ridicule and scorn and looked what happened. I told you guys over ayear ago about the financial crash that was going to happen, you laughed then and now it has happened. What I am saying now needs to be acted on. If you want to contact me go to my web page on www.thefriendsandworkerscult.comJimmy, your predictions have come true AND swiftly, so why do you reject the iidea that you're a prophet ? You're right about the poles shifting. We have seen evidence of that over the last few years. A lot of them have started to come to the UK and other parts of western Europe as migrant workers. Some of them have gone back. I'm still wondering who you're side-kick is ?
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Oct 29, 2008 11:14:44 GMT -5
jw, you're a real kick! I think you should start your own cult, high on some mountain. But I do agree with this: Some people think we are going to be raptured before anything real bad happens. The bible does not actualy say this. One of the more interesting ideas in Revelation is the parallel to the plagues of Egypt. Most of the plagues are repeated, and the concept of escaping the flood (Red Sea) etc. is hinted at. The escape from Egypt may be seen as a typology of the rapture to come. God's people were not "raptured" from Egypt until AFTER the plagues; they were, however, sheltered.
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Post by Sharon on Oct 29, 2008 11:20:58 GMT -5
jwdurston....Yes, it's logical and I hate to think of the abomination of the desolation of Israel...I've found that the natural serves the spiritual...there is equity therein of natural occurances, they have their cause and effect. Jesus did tell us to be aware of when the fig tree is budding....He also told us of the horrors that would be the tribulations! One of the friends said he thought that our worst tribulations would come within our own group! I think that time has come....such adversity, such offenses, such rebellion, such falling away...Paul wrote that this falling away would have to be so that the son of perdition would be made manifest! What about the son of perdition? It seems to me that that simply is speaking to those who think to make themselves "higher" then man and probably "higher" then God...yes, they'll enjoy their "little" season of "Lordship" but they will come into an accounting for that! I'm seeing it already! Via the Alberta, Canada issues! Bless those sufferers hearts! Also it says there'd be a great battle and that God would be the victor, the overcomer in that battle before Jesus brings His elect to the earth for His millenial reign! I believe that, I fear that! It's gathering right now! We get those who are very adverse to the teachings of Christ into power in every country, then every country or nation will pit themselves against Israel! It even says that Judah shall fight against God that day....are they not fighting God when they do not accept that Jesus Christ has already come to the earth? I think so! Logical, yes...and practical application of the Bible's words....as one put it above, I've found an answer to everything I've come across, so far, in the Bible.....simply put, History repeats itself!
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Post by jwbdurston on Oct 29, 2008 20:05:04 GMT -5
So Siwells it seems you agree that "something" more is about to go down?
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Post by jwbdurston on Oct 29, 2008 20:31:36 GMT -5
I see you live in Arizona. My parents live there in Fountain Hills, do you know them?
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Post by Sharon on Oct 29, 2008 20:49:55 GMT -5
jwdurston...sorry, but it's Arkansas! No, I don't believe I know your folks! Thank you for asking! Yes, I believe something more is about to go down! I, of course, have no way of knowing just how soon....but feel it's soon! I don't think it's like going to be the end of the world yet, but perhaps this old earth may make some vital shape changes! I believe that America may soon be brought to their knees in a collective sense.....I'm not wanting to live that long....but if I do, I do!
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Post by jwbdurston on Oct 29, 2008 21:22:49 GMT -5
In essence I agree with everything you have said. There are a lot of people who believe the USA will be invaded and much natural devestation will occur thus briging down the US. From years of observation and what I believe the Lord is telling litetally tens of thousands people world wide they (including myself) believe this to be true. Although we may understand things on some or even lots of issues differently you are the first person ever on this forum who will reason from a Biblical background with some depth (as well as other sources) so for this I salute you! From what I understand they are going to bring the price of oil down to $50 a barrell and that will be cheap at the bowser....sounds good?............This will truley be a terible thing that has extrodinary ramifications. It will rip appart the middle east. The Arabs have not built there economy on that price. A hundred years ago the arabs were nothing bit nomads roaming the desert andthen America got involved with their oil. There is no shortage of oil, there are many unused oil fields, USA have there own but cant use them because the price would be too cheep and they have built their economy on oil from other countries. Out of all the total wealth in the World USA have to have at least %17 just to break even..............USA is currently bankrupt..........watch out for the moeving into of The New World Government.
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 29, 2008 22:38:48 GMT -5
jw, you're a real kick! I think you should start your own cult, high on some mountain. But I do agree with this: Some people think we are going to be raptured before anything real bad happens. The bible does not actualy say this. One of the more interesting ideas in Revelation is the parallel to the plagues of Egypt. Most of the plagues are repeated, and the concept of escaping the flood (Red Sea) etc. is hinted at. The escape from Egypt may be seen as a typology of the rapture to come. God's people were not "raptured" from Egypt until AFTER the plagues; they were, however, sheltered. Doesn't fit well with the statement that the days be shortened or the very elect would fail
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Post by jwbdurston on Oct 30, 2008 0:02:08 GMT -5
What exactly are you saying kencoolidge?...if you dont mind me asking that is
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Oct 30, 2008 7:30:29 GMT -5
ok, I have been reading along and I admit I don't understand a whole lot about all this but from what I believe so far is that Rev is future, not playing out now. Also that this present age of grace is not an age of "signs". The signs were set aside for the time being. Signs were for the Jewish believers and when they rejected the 3rd part of God in the rejection of Stephan filled with the Holy Spirit, He turned to the Gentiles to incite Israel to envy or jealousy.
I know there is a lot of controversy about whether Rev has been started, past or future but if we were following the prophetic timeline ofthe OT wouldn't we be well into it by now? That is why I think when God set Israel aside He also set aside the prophetic timeline until a time only He knows and is not trying to show us with signs and all this bad stuff people try to use to try and fulfill prophesy.
Can anyone really really say that these days are any worse that any other time though out history? I think there is a verse that says there is nothing new under Heaven. Basically, been there, seen that...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2008 7:38:00 GMT -5
Maybe true. I wonder if one day we will not see what happened in Sodom with Lot happen again. But some things have never been seen before, such as the first post-religion generation, and the collapse of basic moral standards, even within what is left of the churches. In Australia I have been collecting data...
About 47% of children now belong to single parent "families" One third of all Australian teachers plan on quitting their profession because of stress with students. Homeless children have doubled in the past few years Teenage binge drinking doubled in 6 years One quarter of all girls will be sexually assaulted this year 71% increase in sexual violence against children in 9 years. 25% of teenagers have admitted to alcohol abuse. 30.2% of teenagers have sold, consumed or been offered drugs in the past year 9.5% of students have take cocaine in the past year. Children on Care and Protection Orders have risen about 30% in six years. 2008 Queensland figures revealing a 2000 per cent rise in the rate of juvenile sex attacks in less than 10 years. Australian sexual assaults have increased by 20% over the past decade. 25% of Australian children under the age of 14 have had sex.
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Oct 30, 2008 7:42:18 GMT -5
You say this has never been like this before? What about in Noah's time?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2008 7:44:46 GMT -5
We can be sure in Noah's time the people had: religion guiding role of authority strong family connections little if any drugs no welfare dependency
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Oct 30, 2008 7:50:32 GMT -5
I am wondering if you have a passage that confirms that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2008 7:53:31 GMT -5
We don't actually have any corroborating evidence for anything to do with Noah. I am surmising, on the basis of MOST ancient societies, that this is what Noah's world had to look like. Most anthropologists would agree with this list.
So in some ways our world is probably worse than Noah's, and increasingly, approximating that of Sodom and Gomorrah in Abraham's day. There are many many verses in the bible which refer to such end times.
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Post by rational on Oct 30, 2008 10:46:47 GMT -5
You know, Jim is right. The end is coming. If it is not this mysterious and invisible it will be our sun collapsing on itself and torching earth in the ensuing fireball. We need to get out of Dodge and fast. And even Mars is not far enough!
Hurry - the estimate for the sun is only a couple of billion years.
Oh - send me money and I will put together an escape plan.
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 30, 2008 12:33:17 GMT -5
You know, Jim is right. The end is coming. If it is not this mysterious and invisible it will be our sun collapsing on itself and torching earth in the ensuing fireball. We need to get out of Dodge and fast. And even Mars is not far enough! Hurry - the estimate for the sun is only a couple of billion years. Oh - send me money and I will put together an escape plan. The checkwill be in the mail. Who do I make it out to?
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 30, 2008 12:52:28 GMT -5
Make it out to me, Ken. I am the CEO of The Company.
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Post by degem on Oct 30, 2008 12:59:29 GMT -5
How much is one suppose to pay for this escape plan? And what guarantee, Mr. CEO, do we, as escapees, that "The Plan" will work?
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Post by ilylo on Oct 30, 2008 13:00:34 GMT -5
the fee is $1000; you're supposed to send it to me. Don't send it to I-D-10-T.
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Oct 30, 2008 13:03:44 GMT -5
where do u come up with this stuff? you should be in a think tank somewhere!
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 30, 2008 13:08:37 GMT -5
As a conservative Republican, my intentions are to rise out of my peon status under Democratic control. Since Democrats seem to be taking over Washington and the Other Guy House, I need to insure my residency and protection. I promise not to use the proceeds on extravagance but rather on providing the plans and ensuring your protection as well.
I approve this message.
Agent of The Company
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Post by degem on Oct 30, 2008 13:09:56 GMT -5
Now wait a minute, young man, I am confused. First eyedeetentee says to make it out to him and now you, ilylo, to send it you. Are you, ilylo, one of the elite members of "The Company."?
Also is your fee negotiable? I knew I should have bought those stocks in The Company when I had the chance...
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Post by degem on Oct 30, 2008 13:11:30 GMT -5
;D ;D You guys are a riot
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Post by ilylo on Oct 30, 2008 13:43:40 GMT -5
Now wait a minute, young man, I am confused. First eyedeetentee says to make it out to him and now you, ilylo, to send it you. Are you, ilylo, one of the elite members of "The Company."? Also is your fee negotiable? I knew I should have bought those stocks in The Company when I had the chance... Not only am I a member... I'm the president!
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Post by Sharon on Oct 30, 2008 20:35:27 GMT -5
"Maybe true. I wonder if one day we will not see what happened in Sodom with Lot happen again." Doesn't the bible say that God will tell His people to come up out of her(Babylon)? I believe that's in REv. It seems Babylon has a tight grip on people these days....there is such "diverse" thoughts, etc that it's become rank confusion...just as in the days of the tower of Babel! As to Sodom and Gomorrah, we all know why they became nothing but ash! A prevalent persuasion of today no doubt??? Doesn't the bible tell about such abominations bringing nothing but "confusion"? Mt. 24:37-39 "But as the days of Noe were so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away: so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Perhaps there weren't illicit street drugs, etc in the days of Noah, but seems they were gluttonous and winebibers, perhaps? Man learned about "alcoholic" beverages early on, don't you think?
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