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Post by For James on Feb 18, 2007 19:14:38 GMT -5
Jim, have you read post 305?
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Post by MD on Feb 18, 2007 21:46:04 GMT -5
You have to understand a lot of people that interact here, do not care what is said.
James I understand that all too well as I have been reading and posting here since this boards inception and before that on other boards and lists, about 7 years.
God is the one who works in people not you. You cannot change anybody, you can only change yourself. Work out your own salvation.
It's not up to you to denegrate anyone, put them down, speak rudely to them and call them names.
I'm talking about the pricipals of dialogue more than the Christian message here. Principals of good manners and respect.
I don't feel you respect anyone here. I've been called silly by you and that was because you misunderstood my post.
You should make haste to leave this way you are in and get involved in a normal, local church (or else where) that opperates in the gifts of the Spirit.
People cannot leave a way that they feel is right for them until God convicts them otherwise. Let go and let God.
You will repent big time and I sugest you speak out the sinners prayer (which I have posted) even if its in your own words and of course in sinserity.
No one is able to repent unless God has dealt with them and opened their eyes to what is His Gospel. All those who are lost are dead, they are unable to hear and see God's word until they are born again. Speaking a prayer saves no one. Only God through the Gospel saves.
"...if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are LOST"
"...I declare unto you the Gospel...by which also ye are saved..." (1 Cor.15:1,2).
One can only trust in the true Christ Who has done such wonders after one has heard and believed the true Gospel which is the only one which speaks of that Christ, "In whom ye also trusted, AFTER that ye heard the Word of Truth, THE Gospel of your salvation..." (Eph. 1:11-14; see also Col. 1:5,6).
What does the Gospel mean to you? Can you define it please?
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Post by James Durston on Feb 18, 2007 22:32:57 GMT -5
It is interesting to note that post 305 was copied by you from a web page and I do not have a problem with that. Of course now though you are telling me something else from yourself and I don’t have a problem with that either. Unfortunately posting things like this does not help, there have been so many that serve to distract from the real issue. I respect your opinion.
If you look at this forum it might be interesting to see how many years individuals have been on it without any real change what so ever.
Jesus offended many many people with what He said. Now I am not flippantly trying to use the wisdom of Jesus to necessarily vindicate myself. What I would say is that I have learnt with the Friends & Workers it does not help them to see truth by being nice this and nice that and using various means of diplomacy– they just do not get it! The Friends do not take a hint or understand unless you tell them bluntly (even then its hard). While I respect your opinion I beg to differ. At the end of the day they have to make a choice and it has got nothing to do with how I say it. I could speak much on this …no, ..it is best they hear the truth point blank…and maybe the penny will drop!
You are talking here about life and death and time is running out. This is nothing believe me---If I could think of more extreme ways to make them listen I would! It does not matter what one suffers in this life to get and hold onto salvation…but to go to hell is catastrophic—I have seen it, you guys probably have not. I don’t think you really realise what is going on with religious cult like people. Their cognitive behavioural patterns are programmed different from normal people and I will prove the point latter. I thank you again for that post—I know Truth when I see it!
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Post by Once again on Feb 18, 2007 23:16:29 GMT -5
It is interesting to note that post 305 was copied by you from a web page and I do not have a problem with that. Once again James, have you read post #305? It shows your lack of attention to details and facts, your refusal to take the advice of others (I noted this error above), and how confused you are.
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Post by James Durston on Feb 18, 2007 23:19:36 GMT -5
It is interesting to note that post 305 was copied by you from a web page and I do not have a problem with that. Once again James, have you read post #305? It shows your lack of attention to details and facts, your refusal to take the advice of others (I noted this error above), and how confused you are. Stop trying to confuse me!
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Post by James Durston on Feb 18, 2007 23:27:52 GMT -5
320 is not my post
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Post by honesty on Feb 18, 2007 23:30:18 GMT -5
James, please register an account that can be verified elsewhere, such as on your website.
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Post by MD on Feb 18, 2007 23:39:18 GMT -5
I don’t think you really realise what is going on with religious cult like people.
Hmmmm, if you say so James.
Case closed.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 18, 2007 23:53:03 GMT -5
OK...I have registered but it is still a long way of from full-proof
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Post by honesty on Feb 18, 2007 23:57:52 GMT -5
OK...I have registered but it is still a long way of from full-proof Have you placed something on your website to verify that this account is yours?
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 18, 2007 23:59:09 GMT -5
.just a quicky to MD. Nearly all my family (scatered over the world) are in it. My wifes family who all live nearby are in it or have left and still carry the bagage. I have had endless interaction with these guys.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 18, 2007 23:59:42 GMT -5
No what do you sugest?
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Post by honesty on Feb 19, 2007 0:06:23 GMT -5
Not enough people understand the difference between the username and the display name. Display names can be copied, but usernames cannot.
Put a note on your website saying that your TMB username is jwbdurstan. Then if your identity is ever questioned in the forum you can simply refer them to that note on your site.
Also, you can post a link to your website in your signature line, and then on your website where you post the above note place a link to your TMB profile.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 19, 2007 0:19:15 GMT -5
The point is "Do they care about their salvation?" The Bible tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. If I was not concerned with salvation I would not be on this forum. You have to understand a lot of people that interact here, do not care what is said. They willfully refuse to acknoledge the Truth and thus will have an eternity of torment.
Everything that someone needs to know to walk in the example of Jesus has already been posted here. This is why I urge you deceived people to read and re-read posts 304 and 305 as well as the rest.
If you end up in hell (wich is a place that the Holy Spirit has shown me) and believe me you do not want to go there, you will know that you deserve to be there! This will be comfirmed to the individual for an infinite timeless existence. This is a place of utter horror and totaly unimaginable torment. If you are not living according to the Word of God, when you die you will slip out of your body (like a hand out of a glove) with all your thought and faculties (minus your body) and you will descend into the earth where hell is and there will be no way out.....for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever. While you have a body and while you have the luxury of time to repent do so for your clock is always comeing to an end.
If you have one gram of sense in your heads you will do anything to search the scriptures for truth and humble your selves before the REAL JESUS CHRIST. You will repent big time and I sugest you speak out the sinners prayer (which I have posted) even if its in your own words and of course in sinserity. You should make haste to leave this way you are in and get involved in a normal, local church (or else where) that opperates in the gifts of the Spirit.
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Post by needs mtg fast on Feb 19, 2007 0:51:37 GMT -5
[/u][/b] You should make haste to leave this way you are in and get involved in a normal, local church (or else where) that opperates in the gifts of the Spirit. [/quote] I think you need to go to some gospel meetings , James. , You might be surprized what you hear, eh.
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Post by Observing on Feb 19, 2007 1:03:51 GMT -5
jwbdurston: You should make haste to leave this way you are in and get involved in a normal, local church (or else where) that opperates in the gifts of the Spirit.I think you need to heed the same advice, James. You started out exploring cults and which denominations were considered cults. Think about this: From the canon: Oneness Pentecostal sect: - 1. Does not agree with biblical revelation of the Triune God .
- 2. Jesus Christ is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (there is no distinction).
- ----------1. Jesus Christ manifestation as Father is God.
- ----------2. Jesus Christ manifestation as Son is man.
- 3. Believes a person must speak in tongues as an initial evidence of the Holy Spirit in him.
- 4. Believes that a person is saved through water baptism.
Oneness Pentecostals has been classified as heretical in 1915-1917. Oneness Pentecostals have an anti-trinitarian view of God, an unbiblical doctrine of Jesus Christ, and unbiblical requirements for salvation (speaking in tongues, water baptism in "Jesus' name," and a legalistic moral code). Thus, those churches adhering to its basic doctrines cannot be regarded as authentically Christian. Any group or church that claims to be Christian yet deviates at any point from historical Christian faith is, by definition, a cult. Oneness Pentecostal churches are, therefore, cultic in nature and outside the theological parameters of historic Christianity.You might want to run from your current group as well, James. Looks like you leaped out of the frying pan into the fire.
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Post by Geoff on Feb 19, 2007 2:34:12 GMT -5
James
I care about my salvation.
You claim to care about my salvation.
I'm keen to know anything that might impact on my salvation.
I asked you some questions about what you call my deception.
You have not answered them.
I'm left wondering.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 19, 2007 3:21:21 GMT -5
Actualy I have Geoff but you dont see it!
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Post by HEY ENGLAND on Feb 19, 2007 5:27:23 GMT -5
Hey, England...do you know who I am. I know you...and I love you like a brother. I hate the evil monster that you proclaim to be your god...but that's your thing & you are welcome to it.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 19, 2007 5:49:31 GMT -5
Friends, Paul said: 'Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness', and as the end of the age comes they will increase the more. Need I say, therefore, how important an understanding like this is? Could I challenge you afresh to be where God's word is expounded, and to read the word yourself, and to search the Scriptures to see if these things are so.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 19, 2007 5:57:21 GMT -5
POINT 1: It is utterly false and Biblically unfounded to say, you have to be in their way to be saved. POINT 2: It is utterly false and Biblically unfounded to say, that you cannot fellowship in churchy looking buildings. POINT 3: The Matthew 10 foundation is a transgression and is completely misunderstood and totally misrepresented.
POINT 4: The Friends and Workers come from a shamed based background.
I hope now to deal a little with this foundational truth of the Friends and Workers which constitutes a cult.
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Post by Geoff on Feb 19, 2007 6:38:59 GMT -5
James I'm sorry I must have missed your answers. Can give me the post number?
I am keen to learn what I'm deceived about. If I'm deceived, then I will not know what I'm deceived about, so I need to be told.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 19, 2007 7:13:09 GMT -5
Nearly every post that I have sent Geoff! One of the reasons I have been asking you questions is to help you see things as they ought. Whatever I say you will not see it a it should be seen. The first thing Geoff is that you MUST name it for what it is, and of course I am talking about the Friends, Workers and Meetings. When you have admited the doctrines and foundational beliefs of this 'way' that you are in we can proceed to the next level....now I am not talking about being wishy washy here ... I am talking about the truth and nothing but the truth..no watering down or sidetracking!
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Post by Geoff on Feb 19, 2007 7:36:39 GMT -5
James
I'm sorry to seem so stupid, but I asked you a question, you say you've answered in it in "nearly every post..", but I still can't see the answer to the quite specific question I've asked several times.
Have I denied any doctrines?
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Post by las logged out on Feb 19, 2007 9:14:39 GMT -5
From Geoff you had better get it on paper
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Post by las logged out on Feb 19, 2007 9:16:31 GMT -5
I want a statement of doctrine and a statement of belief from the 2x2 organization...I want something on paper to hold organization accountable to
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Post by Bert unlogged on Feb 19, 2007 9:34:08 GMT -5
Hi Las, you can call us a sect, call us a cult, call us what you like - I think we can live with it. People back then had to live with name calling and labels. As for statement of belief - you heard them every time you attended a convention, gospel service and meeting? To whit, that Jesus is the Son of God, who has redeemed us with His own blood, and offers us the grace to separate ourselves, and follow Him, so that we may be like him and share with Him in eternity.
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Post by to bert on Feb 19, 2007 9:55:58 GMT -5
Hi Las, you can call us a sect, call us a cult, call us what you like - I think we can live with it. People back then had to live with name calling and labels. But lets be clear here. Just because "people back then" were treated like you think you are being treated does not mean you are like those "people back then". This is one of the fallacies of your group bert. You position yourself to be abused like some of Jesus followers and then assume that because of that abuse, you are in league with Jesus. Nothing could be further from reality. Many a monster on this earth have eventually met their just desert and been persecuted, similarly to Jesus even, and that doesn't make them justified in Jesus. In that case, the F&W statement of belief changes hourly at convention because I hear A LOT of contradiction and conflict at convention. You've managed to make the point raised in this forum a few months ago that "2x2s define 'grace' differently than other Christians": professing.proboards16.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1161579345&page=1#1161579345
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