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Post by spidercam on Feb 10, 2012 15:32:20 GMT -5
Just as you missed this analogy: CSA perps = those who love to drag the fellowship through the mud many of you have also missed this: those who LOVE to.. Reading through the last few pages of this thread (since conventions) it seems that many, not all, who are posting are really HAPPY to have a public place to vent a dislike for many aspects of the fellowship. Respectfully, what you are missing is that it is wickedness on a grand scale amongst some senior workers in Tas & Vic, trying to be kept hidden, that is 'dragging our fellowship through the mud'. Once I discovered it affected my family, how could I keep silent and pretend it's all roses? Once I saw the life-long sentence on the victims as a result of harm done to them by those we trusted as 'servants of God'? Dislike for 'many aspects of the fellowship'? A strawman if ever there was one. What most here (perhaps excluding yourself and WA) dislike is hidden wickedness and filth in a ministry we otherwise LOVE to support. It would be nice if you too came out in support of a clean and Christ-like ministry. |
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Post by jerritric guest on Feb 10, 2012 15:44:04 GMT -5
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Post by unlogged on Feb 10, 2012 17:10:23 GMT -5
Just as you missed this analogy: CSA perps = those who love to drag the fellowship through the mud many of you have also missed this: those who LOVE to.. Reading through the last few pages of this thread (since conventions) it seems that many, not all, who are posting are really HAPPY to have a public place to vent a dislike for many aspects of the fellowship. Respectfully, what you are missing is that it is wickedness on a grand scale amongst some senior workers in Tas & Vic, trying to be kept hidden, that is 'dragging our fellowship through the mud'. Once I discovered it affected my family, how could I keep silent and pretend it's all roses? Once I saw the life-long sentence on the victims as a result of harm done to them by those we trusted as 'servants of God'? Who said to be silent?Dislike for 'many aspects of the fellowship'? A strawman if ever there was one. What most here (perhaps excluding yourself and WA) dislike is hidden wickedness and filth in a ministry we otherwise LOVE to support. It would be nice if you too came out in support of a clean and Christ-like ministry. You can have no idea if i have done so or not. |
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Post by unlogged on Feb 10, 2012 17:15:49 GMT -5
Just as you missed this analogy: CSA perps = those who love to drag the fellowship through the mud many of you have also missed this: those who LOVE to.. Reading through the last few pages of this thread (since conventions) it seems that many, not all, who are posting are really HAPPY to have a public place to vent a dislike for many aspects of the fellowship. And yes, that is the purpose of the site, but it doesn't generate a lot of respect for those who do so with so much venom. It brings to mind these verses: James 3:10-11 And so blessing and cursing come pouring out of the same mouth. Surely, my brothers and sisters, this is not right! Does a spring of water bubble out with both fresh water and bitter water?Perhaps you can point out the cursing on this site. ... How about bitter water? Depending upon the definition of cursing used, I possibly could if I did an extensive reading again, but I'll beg off. |
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Post by Vicite on Feb 10, 2012 17:24:59 GMT -5
What I read here is righteous anger!
Didn't Jesus show the same when he overturned the tables in the temple. They were doing the wrong thing in God's house.
This situation is exactly the same. People need a voice and I hope and pray they will rise up as one without fear of retribution.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 17:32:29 GMT -5
Perhaps you can point out the cursing on this site. ... How about bitter water? Depending upon the definition of cursing used, I possibly could if I did an extensive reading again, but I'll beg off. And we know why you have to beg off. You would have to spend a lot of time finding the alleged cursing, and even then you would have to twist the meaning of cursing so that your twisted usage of that bible verse would still support your false accusation. Truth ain't always pretty unlogged, calling it bitter or curses is no way to treat it. |
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Post by spidercam on Feb 10, 2012 17:38:15 GMT -5
Who said to be silent?It would be nice if you too came out in support of a clean and Christ-like ministry. You can have no idea if i have done so or not. [/quote] I said that I couldn't keep silent under the circumstances (even if risking being accused like others here of 'LOVING to drag our fellowship through the mud' - patently untrue allegation). that's good if you HAVE come out in support of our ministry being clean and Christ-like, although it's not obvious from what you've contributed here using the name "unlogged". Please accept that lots of people and their families have been seriously hurt. It's not like, people can just get over it and move on as if nothing bad has happened. People need care and the love of Christ towards them at this time. Thank you  |
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Post by have you had a visit with DL on Feb 10, 2012 17:57:08 GMT -5
Who said to be silent?It would be nice if you too came out in support of a clean and Christ-like ministry. You can have no idea if i have done so or not. I said that I couldn't keep silent under the circumstances (even if risking being accused like others here of 'LOVING to drag our fellowship through the mud' - patently untrue allegation). that's good if you HAVE come out in support of our ministry being clean and Christ-like, although it's not obvious from what you've contributed here using the name "unlogged". Please accept that lots of people and their families have been seriously hurt. It's not like, people can just get over it and move on as if nothing bad has happened. People need care and the love of Christ towards them at this time. Thank you [/quote] spidercam can appreciate what you write. Have you approached DL and or any other of the more senior male workers in Vict/Tas with the matters that you write of here? |
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Post by Quibbler on Feb 11, 2012 6:15:36 GMT -5
Dear Meg, Of course we dont want to drag this thru the mud. If we were like that, we would have gone to a newspaper, TV show or a muck-raking magazine. And we are pretty lucky some dimwit hasnt already done that.
Hey cooee, good to see you back. Glad to see your posts again. Has anybody thought WA might be EB. I bet he doesnt live in WA for a start. He wont answer those simple questions. Actually sounds a bit more like CP. Whoever it is, I reckon he's sitting back laughing himself sick over the c..p he's stirred up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 6:17:50 GMT -5
Is Scott able to confirmn that WA is NOT noels?
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Post by Kitten slippers on Feb 11, 2012 6:24:50 GMT -5
Its obvious WA, as you say, that you are not interested in others opinions. Didnt realise you wanted your answers in legalese. Are you a lawyer or solicitor? Or is your mind in such a small box, that you couldnt get all your answers from previous posts. We are not in a courtroom, Yet. So, Taswegian has given you your answers. Now we have some for you. Do you go to mtgs. If you dont, did you ever? Do you live in Western Australia? Are you a worker? Are you male or female. GUESS WHAT. I THINK YOU ARE A FAKE. I cant imagine any of the F and W, ins or exes speaking like you do!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you happy. You have got rid of the regular posters. I would think there are a lot of hurt people out there. All those people, some victims, whose opinions mean nothing to you. If you cant believe that there is this problem with workers and some friends and CSA, (and I'm afraid I found it hard to believe of EB at first. He was our nice worker. That probably made it worse.) Then a relative told me of abuse by an elder. And it goes on and on. You probably wont believe me, but this is definitely not gossip. I will not email you. I feel you are not worth talking to. And now I feel bad for sounding mean. Hey Ironside, this post of yours was back a way, but you were definitely right about it sounding like legalese. I just hope Scott Ross has not been deceived. And why would jerritric! think emailing WA or CA whichever he is would result in a visit from the Warragul police. Explain yourself Jerritric. |
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Post by Night Owl on Feb 11, 2012 6:27:09 GMT -5
Is Scott able to confirmn that WA is NOT noels? OH RAM, Surely not.  |
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Post by Ironside on Feb 11, 2012 6:35:46 GMT -5
;D A Taliban interrogator. That sounds about right. Insensitive individual isnt he. He's been given lots of chances, But still ratty. If he doesnt believe us, he doesnt. I can think of a worker with that attitude. When asked for help, he just said don't make trouble. So a problem was just bottled up. One day it will come out, even though the perpetrator is dead. The young in question wasnt the only one abused in that mtg. As per my previous post, a senior VIC/TAS worker was told. He said - Dont make trouble. I know of 3 young ones that dont go to mtgs because of that. |
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Post by spidercam on Feb 11, 2012 7:11:37 GMT -5
spidercam can appreciate what you write. Have you approached DL and or any other of the more senior male workers in Vict/Tas with the matters that you write of here? Yeah, we tend to meet in underground carparks. He tells me all he knows (not much) and I fill him in on all the goss. |
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Post by spidercam on Feb 11, 2012 7:16:17 GMT -5
Is Scott able to confirmn that WA is NOT noels? Scott may well plead the Fifth on this... ;D |
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Feb 11, 2012 7:22:22 GMT -5
 SPIDERCAM - Naughty boyo.!!!!!!!!! Where did u get that sense of humour.
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Post by cover up on Feb 11, 2012 7:34:44 GMT -5
spidercam is a funny fellow He has the ability to zoom in on any situation with underground car parks his speciality ;D So don't mess around with the spidercam boy!! |
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Post by alia on Feb 11, 2012 8:50:16 GMT -5
My father's sister is a worker. I told him that there's info re the friends/workers on the net and that there's a site (Wings) re CSA. He totally didn't believe me and he has never even been a part of the group.
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Post by Has anyone on Feb 11, 2012 13:36:30 GMT -5
I said that I couldn't keep silent under the circumstances (even if risking being accused like others here of 'LOVING to drag our fellowship through the mud' - patently untrue allegation). that's good if you HAVE come out in support of our ministry being clean and Christ-like, although it's not obvious from what you've contributed here using the name "unlogged". Please accept that lots of people and their families have been seriously hurt. It's not like, people can just get over it and move on as if nothing bad has happened. People need care and the love of Christ towards them at this time. Thank you Has Spidercam, kitten slippers, meg, cooee, quibbler or ironside approached DL and or any other of the more senior male workers in Vict/Tas with the matters that you write of here? It would seem the decent thing to do? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 13:50:16 GMT -5
I said that I couldn't keep silent under the circumstances (even if risking being accused like others here of 'LOVING to drag our fellowship through the mud' - patently untrue allegation). that's good if you HAVE come out in support of our ministry being clean and Christ-like, although it's not obvious from what you've contributed here using the name "unlogged". Please accept that lots of people and their families have been seriously hurt. It's not like, people can just get over it and move on as if nothing bad has happened. People need care and the love of Christ towards them at this time. Thank you Has Spidercam, kitten slippers, meg, cooee, quibbler or ironside approached DL and or any other of the more senior male workers in Vict/Tas with the matters that you write of here? It would seem the decent thing to do? Mr Leitch has been approached more than once, and it was not only the decent thing to do, it was done decently. At the same time, you see participants here who are still very concerned. That should tell you something all by itself. |
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Post by blue skies on Feb 11, 2012 15:42:46 GMT -5
This is good, glad he has been approached and in a decent manner; that was the right thing to do!
So what was Mr Leitch's response?
Would this thread be an appropriate forum for details of the approach to and the response from Mr Leitch to be given?
Seems many are concerned and understandably so if matters are not being handled correctly.
I am not aware of any legal reasons why these details could not be shared here?
Integrity, honesty and transparency are good and healthy!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 15:57:11 GMT -5
This is good, glad he has been approached and in a decent manner; that was the right thing to do! So what was Mr Leitch's response? Would this thread be an appropriate forum for details of the approach to and the response from Mr Leitch to be given? Seems many are concerned and understandably so if matters are not being handled correctly. I am not aware of any legal reasons why these details could not be shared here? Integrity, honesty and transparency are good and healthy! I doubt if it is appropriate to share details of the engagements on a board like this. It certainly isn't for me, not being a party to them but only a recipient of the dialogue so I'm not at liberty to share such. There would not likely be any legal impediment to discuss it but it should be the prerogative of those involved to share it. |
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Post by blue skies on Feb 11, 2012 16:07:10 GMT -5
If there is much concern amongst the friends and if there are things that need to be attended to and corrected by the ministry perhaps those privy to this communication will consider posting such here?
Could it not be helpful towards the goal of concerns being allayed and matters addressed?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 16:24:36 GMT -5
If there is much concern amongst the friends and if there are things that need to be attended to and corrected by the ministry perhaps those privy to this communication will consider posting such here? Could it not be helpful towards the goal of concerns being allayed and matters addressed? Here's the deal: when people have been hurt and betrayed, they become very cautious with personal information because there are serious trust issues. If people want to discuss it with you or on the board, they will do it.....but don't hold your breath, trust is a major factor. You might be well advised to gain some better understanding of the impact of CSA on its victims. Dealing with it is not the same as dealing with a toothache and making an appointment with the dentist. It's completely different. Start by asking yourself why a large majority of victims never report CSA crimes. Once you find the answer to that, many of your questions will be answered as to why this isn't such a simple issue. |
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Post by blue skies on Feb 11, 2012 18:45:58 GMT -5
If there is much concern amongst the friends and if there are things that need to be attended to and corrected by the ministry perhaps those privy to this communication will consider posting such here? Could it not be helpful towards the goal of concerns being allayed and matters addressed? Here's the deal: when people have been hurt and betrayed, they become very cautious with personal information because there are serious trust issues. If people want to discuss it with you or on the board, they will do it.....but don't hold your breath, trust is a major factor. You might be well advised to gain some better understanding of the impact of CSA on its victims. Dealing with it is not the same as dealing with a toothache and making an appointment with the dentist. It's completely different. Start by asking yourself why a large majority of victims never report CSA crimes. Once you find the answer to that, many of your questions will be answered as to why this isn't such a simple issue. I am in contact with CSA victims, I understand perhaps as much as a caring non involved person can of the impact? I have done considerable reading I have some understanding of why most victims never report CSA. Do you have an alternative and preferable suggestion to that of the details of the approach to and respond from Mr Leitch, (perhaps with necessary personal details being removed) being placed on this thread? Another suggestion of a way for concerns to be addressed? |
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Post by JO on Feb 11, 2012 19:06:09 GMT -5
Is Scott able to confirmn that WA is NOT noels? Who is blue skys? |
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Post by Ironside on Feb 11, 2012 22:44:38 GMT -5
;D A Taliban interrogator. That sounds about right. Insensitive individual isnt he. He's been given lots of chances, But still ratty. If he doesnt believe us, he doesnt. I can think of a worker with that attitude. When asked for help, he just said don't make trouble. So a problem was just bottled up. One day it will come out, even though the perpetrator is dead. The young in question wasnt the only one abused in that mtg. As per my previous post, a senior VIC/TAS worker was told. He said - Dont make trouble. I know of 3 young ones that dont go to mtgs because of that. THIS IS THE 3rd TIME I HAVE POSTED THIS. Cant you read, or you calling me a liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Has anyone"  |
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Post by Kitten slippers on Feb 11, 2012 22:52:36 GMT -5
Pretty obvious "blue skys" didnt have any female relatives affected by CSA.
Fancy the idea of putting personal details on here. Anyone googling truth can find this site. Anyone in the world. Why ever would we put personal details on here. Is "blue skys" just another name for WA or CA.
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