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Post by degem on Oct 16, 2008 10:24:22 GMT -5
folly means " the state or quality of being foolish, lack of understanding or sense; a foolish action, practice, or idea etc. , absurdity."
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Post by Frank on Oct 16, 2008 17:14:52 GMT -5
folly means " the state or quality of being foolish, lack of understanding or sense; a foolish action, practice, or idea etc. , absurdity." This is supposed to be in the word of the day thread.
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Post by White Knight on Oct 16, 2008 19:45:35 GMT -5
So did all the people involved with this Michigan thing to back to meetings with every thing OK?---I asked this before and I include those accused, family broken apart the accusers --- All of them. I want to know if they really are one big happy family? So then since this question fails to get an answer and the fact that the rat-tat-tat of (they did or did not) continues; I guess that the kingdom in Michigan is not all one big happy family after all. (My Opinion based on reading this thread) to your answer; NO!
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Post by White Knight on Oct 16, 2008 19:56:03 GMT -5
I understand that the younger sister worker is up to no good. I have received two reports of her further involvements, one is in doctrine another has something to do with interfering in a matrimony? Was there not a male worker put out because of the same thing concerning doctrine. Just wondering? Wonder who’s paying for their cell phones, rent, food, hydro, car, INS, ect,ect. 1. So, per your understanding, per your reports, how is she interfering in the matrimony? … is she sleeping with the hubby? 2. So, per your understanding, per your reports, what is the doctorial issue? … maybe, that the Workers/newlyweds should travel about on ‘Donkeys’ like on the Seas of Galilee.. Your assertions are just inference with no validity. I can just as easily write, “I have received two reports of whiteknight’s further involvements with other children issues, he's up to no good, oh boy, here we go again. Time will tell. Where does he find all that time, away from investigating, for this?” This is an untrue statement, but … if you are going to make an insinuation … The majority of TMB users know who you are implying to, name excluded, so just back up your alleged claim. Otherwise it’s perceived as sour grapes. Perceive it the way or any way you want. I've been down this road and back many a time. Only to be proven right.
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Post by White Knight on Oct 16, 2008 19:56:38 GMT -5
Frank; You started in on others. I posted to bait you. You took the bait. And now you don't like it. I can not help it if you are that high you can't accept it. I was merely aluding to your avatar. Bin a while since I’ve been around aquatics life. I think that is a hammer head shark is it not. Furthermore I am not interested in anymore of this belittling game. If I have offended you please accept this apology
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Post by White Knight on Oct 16, 2008 20:14:15 GMT -5
For whatever reason, the most likely being paranoia brought on by a drug induced high, you started in on me. I merely responded. In Christ, Frank Blunt What part of In Christ is that?
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Post by White Knight on Oct 16, 2008 20:21:41 GMT -5
I'm not interested in slander as some here seem to be quite content in. But as an insider of this mess and have stated here with a grate deal of accuracy. And believe you me I don’t need to falsify things like some here have.
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Post by Frank on Oct 17, 2008 6:45:38 GMT -5
Frank; You started in on others. I was calling it as it is. Obviously, you have a problem with reality. I don't mind taking on argumentative abusers like yourself. Quite truthfully, I rather enjoy it. I suppose one could make the point that, in reality, I was baiting the likes of you, in which case, mission accomplished. Sorry, you were too late as you were already on the hook. My bait of choice is facts, rational reasoning, and straight talk. I tend to pull in some real stinkers with this bait, as people like you tend to seek it out for for the sake of destroying it. Actually, I'm enjoying it. I will admit to being a little disappointed in that I had hoped you would have been a little more of a challenge but you're non-substantive posts provide little room for meaningful debate. For example, you began with this nonsense: Don't feed the shark it will die. Drain the water it will be putrefying. Pollute it's waters and it can't think straight. Frank your motives stink. Did someone let the water out of your aquarium? Unfortunately, your contributions since then have improved only marginally. I'll admit to finding it difficult to accept nonsense. Perhaps getting high would help. Apparently you're the expert in that area. I have no interest in it so I'll take your word for it. It's funny that my avatar was the best reason you could find for initiating a nonsensical attack. Your life must be a genuine thrill. I'm sorry to hear that. It is. We'll see how long you can resist your belittling urges. You have not offended me as I do not believe in handing people like yourself that kind of power.
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Post by degem on Oct 17, 2008 8:05:15 GMT -5
Frank how about this for word(s) of the day : argumentative-"fond of or given to argument; causing arguement, controversial."
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Post by Frank on Oct 17, 2008 11:50:08 GMT -5
Frank how about this for word(s) of the day : argumentative-"fond of or given to argument; causing arguement, controversial." That's a good one, Gem. Did you catch the word of the day for Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday? Sunday: <Rational>Monday: <Intelligent>Tuesday: <Discussion>
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Post by freedonforever on Oct 19, 2008 18:28:34 GMT -5
That is a funny statement. A hilarious statement. A unimaginable statement. A unheard of statement. NO No No, Michigan is not back to being a big happy family and all going to church together and praising the lord and how he deals with everyones spirit is about as laughable as it can get. First, you would have to have an overseer that was interested in getting everyone together to have even an ugly family. It would be a start to even have an overseer have everyone get together to air their disgust. But, that isn't about to happen now or ever. The only way the overseer can uphold all this negative actions of his workers and others under his influence is to keep up with the charade or things, because, if you did anything else, Oh Boy, that might be just alittle bit leaning towards remorse and if you have no remorse, why would you care about a big happy GODLY family??? But then what difference does it make if you have a false claim of having God deal with you when he doesn't even know you. God does not know people like that. Does that answer your question about the big happy family?? And through all of this, the big family that once was is minus a few members that wasn't even booted by the overseer, but just can't stomach the mess that was suppose to be a loving and caring fiasco for some innocent children, not a devil in action.
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Post by jphillips on Oct 19, 2008 18:59:36 GMT -5
So white knight and freedomforever will ‘tar & feather’ and expunge the MI overseer — and everything will be peachy-keen!
Which one takes the first step?
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Post by Sharon on Oct 19, 2008 20:53:19 GMT -5
It seems to me that I'd hate to be the overseer in connection with this ongoing human debacle! I'm not sure any one singular or plural person(s) could ever begin to have the education and/or experience to handle the immense difficulties that now lie across the highway of life for folks in that region!
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Post by greenthumb on Oct 20, 2008 5:45:06 GMT -5
As far as some leaving because of being fed up ................... God has a way of purifying His Kingdom.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2008 8:13:20 GMT -5
As far as some leaving because of being fed up ................... God has a way of purifying His Kingdom. Leading the Children of Israel out of Egypt instantly comes to mind !
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Post by freedonforever on Oct 20, 2008 10:08:36 GMT -5
God does the expunging that will take place in time. No one else has to worry about it. Of course if you have your own religion taking place, God will just let it be. He will only deal with those that want to deal with him. God only purify's his own kingdom. And he only leads his own people. No pretenders. Most usually the spirit shows who God is dealing with. So, anyone can take notice as to what spirit is present. Even God will show his wrath!
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Post by White Knight on Oct 20, 2008 19:52:59 GMT -5
Edit by mod3:
Contents of this post removed. It contained names and personal info regarding a court case that has not been ruled on by the court. The info I posted. Was and Is from the court's public records. Thank You for proving this is only a one sided show.
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Post by mod1 on Oct 20, 2008 21:14:23 GMT -5
The info I posted. Was and Is from the court's public records. Thank You for proving this is only a one sided show.Whiteknight, this has absolutely nothing to do with being a "one sided show". Your post included many personal details. I direct you to the top of the board where it states: The tenets of this board are freedom of speech (within the bounds of relevant laws), common decency and strict privacy of personal detailsYou are welcome to post news links as it states in the same paragraph: Please provide news links if you are accusing someone of a criminal offense. The rules of the board include: Rules: 1 No personal attacks or threats. 2 Obscene and/or objectionable material will be deleted. 3 Nothing libelous. 4 Stick to the topic. 5 Strict privacy of personal details must be respected. This includes but is not limited to posting: email addresses, date of birth, addresses and phone numbers. This rule has not only been enforced on your own posts... but on posts where members themselves have posted their own person details. Blessings, Mod1.
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Post by rational on Oct 20, 2008 21:27:02 GMT -5
The info I posted. Was and Is from the court's public records. Thank You for proving this is only a one sided show.Whiteknight, this has absolutely nothing to do with being a "one sided show". Your post included many personal details. I direct you to the top of the board where it states: The tenets of this board are freedom of speech (within the bounds of relevant laws), common decency and strict privacy of personal detailsYou are welcome to post news links as it states in the same paragraph: Please provide news links if you are accusing someone of a criminal offense. Is it your opinion then that news links are a better source of information thyan court documents? The restriction regarding the posting of personal information was to protect against libel. There is no danger if what is posted is the facts and is available in public documents. According to White Knight - the information was taken from court records. Whether the case has or has not been heard is irrelevant. Unwarranted censorship is not a blessing but a curse.
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Post by mod1 on Oct 20, 2008 21:41:37 GMT -5
Rational,
I will not form a public "opinion" on this matter. I support Mod3 in the decision to remove the document according to the rules and tenets of this board.
Blessings,
Mod1
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Post by freedonforever on Oct 21, 2008 10:15:23 GMT -5
It seems like things are getting a little picky on information that can be furnished. It is stated over and over, show us the court documents for proof. They are public court records, but then it doesn't matter if they are, then you still can't post them. So, is everything being changed mid stream? Whose toes are being stepped on???
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Post by mod1 on Oct 21, 2008 17:48:59 GMT -5
It seems like things are getting a little picky on information that can be furnished. It is stated over and over, show us the court documents for proof. They are public court records, but then it doesn't matter if they are, then you still can't post them. So, is everything being changed mid stream? Whose toes are being stepped on??? The administrative team is currently reviewing a way that the information may be shared without displaying any personal information such as names, date's of birth and addresses. Thank you in advance for your patience - Scott may address this shortly with a solution.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 21, 2008 19:30:33 GMT -5
White Knight, I would think that the best way to post the information you shared would to do the following. 1- Make a copy of the court document. 2- Use a marker to strike out the information which shows a date of birth, last name and address of the one shown in the court document. 3- Scan the copy into your computer so that you can post it. The reason that we ask that these steps be taken is because it is an active case. If the document was concerning a conviction, then all the information could be displayed. I looked over the document as it was posted (it was PM'd to me) and it was a bit confusing. As with the case involving the family, we never allowed any names to be posted here. If you recall, there were also charges originally filed in that case, but we never posted any names at any time, although first names have been used here in some of the posts. You can PM me if you feel that you would like this clarified a bit more, or you can give me a cal on my cell phone if you'd like. I missed your call last night I noticed. I was out in my hot tub.... Scott
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Post by White Knight on Oct 21, 2008 21:11:52 GMT -5
STATE OF MICHIGAN NOTICE TO APPEAR CASE NO. 08-1837 FY 71-A JUDICIAL DISTRICT X-REF: 34-1959-07 Court Address 255 CLAY STREET Court Telephone LAPEER, MI 48446 (810) 667-0314
Plaintiff { }Personal service YOU ARE DIRECTED TO APPEAR AT: STATE OF MICHIGl { x}The court address above,courtroom 1 {—} V Defendant { j}Personal service STEPHANIE Judge JOHN T. CONNOLLY P- 12140 P0 BOX FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE: DAY DATE TIME Pltf Atty/People {/}Personal service { }Pre-trial Conf. (810) 667-0326 P68536 CAILIN NICOLE CHRISMER { }Prelim Exam. 255 CLAY ST FL 2 LAPEER, MI 48446 {}Jury Selection Defendant’s Atty {/}Personal service (810) 724-6408 p-23325 BERNARD P. PENZIEN {}Jury Trial 124 N ALMONT AVE { }Non-Jury Trial IMLAY CITY, MI 48444 { }sentencing {_}Arraignment IMPORTANT: READ THIS CAREFULLY {}Motion 1.Bring this notice with you. {_}Informal Hrg. 2.No case may be adjourned except by authority of the judge for good {_}Formal Hearing cause shown. 3.FAILURE OF THE DEFENDANT TO APPEAR {x}Rr WED 12/17/08 9:00 AM in a civil case may cause a default judgment to be entered. FAILURE OF {}The above matter is adjourned from THE PLAINTIFF TO APPEAR may result in a dismissal of the case. 4.FAILURE TO APPEAR in a criminal case Offense: may subject you to the penalty for 1)FALSE FY REP contempt of court, and a bench warrant may be issued for your arrest. Officer: FERGUSON/BRIAN 5.If you intend to employ a lawyer,s/he should be notified of the date at once. 6.If you require special accommodations LCB to use the court because of disabilities, Clerk/Administrator please contact the court immediately to make arrangements. CERTIFICATE OF MAILING I certify that on this date, copies of this notice were served upon the part’es/at by ordinary mail at the addresses shown above. _9/19/08____________ ____________________ Date Clerk/Administrator MC 06 (6/96) NOTICE TO APPEAR
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 21, 2008 21:24:19 GMT -5
I think that'll work White Knight, What it looks like is that this is the paperwork from Steph's notification on September 19th, and is ordering her to appear in court on December 17th. It is my understanding that until that time (or unless released earlier) she will be under the care of the State of Michigan at the Forensic Center where she is receiving treatment. It will be determined by the doctors at the Forensic Center as to whether she is competent to stand trial. Scott
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Post by White Knight on Oct 21, 2008 21:48:48 GMT -5
STATE OF MICHIGAN NOTICE TO APPEAR CASE NO. 08-1838 FY 71-A JUDICIAL DISTRICT X-REF: 34-1959-07 Court Address 255 CLAY STREET Court Telephone LAPEER, MI 48446 (810) 667—0314 Plaintiff {}Personal service YOU ARE DIRECTED TO APPEAR AT: STATE OF MICHIGAN {X}The court address above,courtroom____ __________________________________________________________ {—} V Defendant {}Personal service BETHA NIE Judge LAURA CHEGER BARNARD P-30249 P0 BOX 722 HIGHLAND, MI 48357 FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE: DAY DATE TIME Pltf Atty/People {_}Personal service {_}Pre-trial Conf. (810) 667—0326 P—68536 CAILIN NICOLE CHRISMER {}Prelim Exam. 255 CLAY ST FL 2 LAPEER, MI 48446 {_}Jury Selection {}Jury Trial Defendant’s Atty { }Personal service {}Non-Jury Trial (810) 664—7773 P—57691 NICOLE M. QUANDT {}Sentencing 620 FOX ST LAPEER, MI 48446 {_}Motion {}Arraiqnment IMPORTANT: READ THIS CAREFULLY 1.Bring this notice with you. {_}Informal Hrg. 2. No case may be adjourned except by authority of the judge for good {}Formal Hearing cause shown. 3.FAILURE OF THE DEFENDANT TO APPEAR {X}REVIEW FRI 1/16/09 9:00 AM in a civil case may cause a default judgment to be entered. FAILURE OF {_}The above matter is adjourned from THE PLAINTIFF TO APPEAR may result in a dismissal of the case. 4.FAILURE TO APPEAR in a criminal case Offense may subject you to the penalty for 1)FALSE FY REP contempt of court, and a bench warrant may be issued for your arrest. Officer: FERGUSON/BRIAN 5. If you intend to employ a lawyer,s/he should be notified of the date at once. 6.If you require special accommodations LCB to use the court because of disabilities, Clerk/Administrator please contact the court immediately to make arrangements. CERTIFICATE OF MAILING I I certify that on this date, copies of this notice were served upon the parties/attorneys by ordinary mail at the addresses shown above. Date Clerk/Administrator MC 06 (6/96) NOTICE TO APPEAR
Original - Court 3rd copy - Prosecuting official 1st copy - Defendant 4th copy - Sheriff Approved, SCAO 2nd copy - Center 5th copy - Treatment STATE OF MICHIGAN CASE NO. 71-A FINDING AND ORDER ON COMPETENCY 08-1838-FY(B) Court address Court telephone no. 255 Clay Street, Lapeer, Michigan 48446 (810) 667-0314 1 The State of Michigan Defendant’s name, address, and telephone no. THE PEOPLE OF BETHANIE TJ ____________________________ V SID DOB __________________________________________________ Charge(s): False Report of a Felony MCL/Ordinance citation(s): MCL 750.41 1A1B At a session on ,Judge Laura Cheger Barnard , p 30249 presiding: Date Bar no. Based upon a competency hearing with the defendant and defendant’s counsel present, THE COURT FINDS AND IT IS ORDERED: (Judge to INITIAL in the appropriate box, each item ordered) 1. The defendant is competent to stand trial and the case shall continue to the next stage of the criminal process. 2. The defendant, in order to maintain competency to stand trial, shall be administered appropriate medication pending and during trial. 3. fl The defendant is determined incompetent to stand trial and there is a substantial probability that competence to stand trial will not be attained within the time limit established by law. 4. fl The prosecuting official shall file a petition with the probate court for commencement of civil proceedings pertaining to the defendant. 5. 2I defendant is incompetent to stand trial and there is substantial probability that the defendant, if provided a course of treatment, will attain competence to stand trial within the time limit established. 6. The State Department of Mental Health is appointed medical supervisor of the defendant’s course of treatment and shall fulfill all requirements established by law. 7. The defendant shall undergo treatment to render the defendant competent to stand trial. 8. [ Commitment is necessary for the effective administration of the course of treatment and therefore the defendant is committed to the custody of the State Department of Mental Health and placed at the facility recommended by the Center for Forensic Psychiatry. . Since the defendant is incarcerated pending trial, the liberty of the defendant shall be restricted to the building - and grounds of the facility providing treatment. 10. 2 the defendant is under detention, the sheriff shall transport the defendant to and from the facility recommended by the Center for Forensic Psychiatry upon notification by the center. 11. [ Additionalorders: ____________________________________________________________________________ 7 / ) Date Judge i- _ MC 205 (3/06) FINDING AND ORDER ON COMPETENCY MCL 330.2050 STATE OF MICHIGAN IN THE 71-A DISTRICT COURT PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, Plaintiff, CASE NO. 08-1838 Vs. HON. LAURA C. BARNARD BETHANIE Defendant. _ NICOLE M. QUANDT (P57691) Nicole M. Quandt PLLC Attorney for Defendant 620 Fox Street Lapeer, Michigan 48446 (810) 664-7773 _ / DEFENDANT’S DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY Defendant, pursuant to MCR 6.201 and other statutory and constitutional provisions for discovery in criminal cases, requests the following information: 1. The names and addresses of all lay and expert witnesses whom the prosecution may call at trial. 2. Any written or recorded statement pertaining to the case by a lay witness whom the prosecution may call at trial. 3. The curriculum vitae of any expert the prosecution may call at trial and any report by the expert or any written description of the substance of the proposed testimony of the expert, as well as the expert’s opinion and the underlying basis of that opinion. 4. Any criminal record that the prosecution may use at trial to impeach a witness. 5. The complete criminal record of any person listed on the information or who is named in the police report who may testify in the case, including any witness listed by the defense. 6. A description of and an opportunity to inspect any tangible physical evidence that the prosecution may introduce at trial, including documents, photographs, or other paper. 7. Any exculpatory information or evidence known to the prosecution or police officials. 8. Each and every page of any police report concerning the case. 9. All notes, fragmentary or otherwise, prepared by any police officer concerning the case. 10. A copy of each and every laboratory report, evidence analysis, or similar document in any way generated with regard to or pertaining to this case, regardless of whether inculpatory, exculpatory, or neutral or intended or not intended to be introduced into evidence. 11. The reason why any document of any kind concerning this case or referring to this case has been destroyed if any such document has been destroyed. 12. Any written or recorded statements by a defendant, codefendant, or accomplice pertaining to the case, even if that person is not a prospective witness at trial. 13. Any affidavit, warrant, and return pertaining to a search or seizure in connection with the case. 14. Any plea agreement, grant of immunity, or other agreement for testimony in connection with the case. Respectfully submitted, N CgIL A’f gLUVULCWa Nicole M. Quandt (P57691) Attorney for Defendant 620 Fox Street Lapeer, Michigan 48446 Dated: 7-j LJ/(f$ (810) 664-7773
These docts have been slightly, altered ( dob, last name and Inls)
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Post by ilylo on Oct 21, 2008 21:50:56 GMT -5
Why are the street addresses still on this?
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Post by White Knight on Oct 21, 2008 21:51:35 GMT -5
I think that'll work White Knight, What it looks like is that this is the paperwork from Steph's notification on September 19th, and is ordering her to appear in court on December 17th. It is my understanding that until that time (or unless released earlier) she will be under the care of the State of Michigan at the Forensic Center where she is receiving treatment. It will be determined by the doctors at the Forensic Center as to whether she can be made competent to stand trial. Scott That is correct Scott.
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