|
Post by bandtroll on Jun 8, 2009 12:04:57 GMT -5
IN this case, names and address of everyone were put on the list. Now pray tell how would/could a so called incompetent person get all this info. [url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incompetent ]incompetent 1: not legally qualified 2: inadequate to or unsuitable for a particular purpose 3 a: lacking the qualities needed for effective action b: unable to function properly[/url] Incompetent does not mean stupid. Competent now, after <> six months in the hospital. Nowhere have I seen anything about their state of mind at the time the list was made. In the area of those who are incompetent, "the rest of us" have shown me how little you do know.
|
|
White Knight
Senior Member
THE SHADOW KNOWS. In the shadow of the highest is a refuge from all fear.
Posts: 510
|
Post by White Knight on Jun 8, 2009 19:40:14 GMT -5
No, I'm saying that 'how I feel' about the case is not likely to change unless what is proven/admitted as facts change. And the only way I would know if the 'proven/admitted facts change' is to continue to listen to every side, which I do. That's not how the post reads? replying to post 423 Where you at any of the court hearings?
|
|
|
Post by jhjmr on Jun 8, 2009 19:42:54 GMT -5
Evveryone is digging for supposedly different information than what has been made known. Maybe it wasn't exciting enough. Maybe it was a shock that all those accused actually was a lie. When everything is put into perspective, here are two girls with two workers making havoc. That no one can is speculation. So, no matter what happens while these four are together, the outcome came to this. The prosecutors office charging the girls with lying, a felony, arresting them, testing them, sending them to the forensic center for treatment, coming to court and going back to the forensic center to the last hearing where one girl said, I'm sorry I lied. She was sentenced, released to her parents. The other girl wouldn't say she lied and was sent home with the bondman. Now, if you want to say that isn't a fact, sorry for you. O.K., now the one girl must appear in court to answer charges of lying. How that materials we will all wait and see. She was not to see the two workers while being sent to the bondmans house to live. She was to see only the dr. and attorney. That is a fact. Speculation is, wonder why the judge banned her from seeing the two workers? Play with that thought all you want. Fact. the list was made before they were arrested. Fact, they were found incompetent after they were arrested. Speculation, when did they become incompetent. Imagine anything your heart desires. So, I do NOT have to play with facts. They are simple and clear. And, since everyone seems to think you can just get those papers and post them, or people have them, where is your connections Scott? You talk to people in Mi. all the time you said. Surely someone can help you out there. About the policewoman, B.C., she's not calling for information anymore? Kelly could surely help you out there. You have talked to her a lot. It might not be something you want to do, but when you state papers aren't available, guess you will just have to accept the fact! I can see why the courts don't just make anything available, look how much smearing would have been done on this thread alone with things about incompetence and little children's lifes and etc. So, if you don't want to accept the facts that are told, by a very close source, I guess just ponder how much fun it is to pretend to try and make assumptions and speculations about others lifes and what others have endured then and even now by this thread. Aren't those negative people enjoying themselves thinking, I can make misery alittle better by continuing on. So, I guess if you don't want to accept the facts and doubt everything, we can always keep the outcome and facts to ourselves, and you can have jolly good time speculation about what happened and to whom and when and where and how. Misery loves company.
|
|
|
Post by Scott Ross on Jun 8, 2009 22:37:16 GMT -5
Hmm... Not sure why you are singling me out on all this. I haven't tried to distort any facts. My point is concerning trying to state facts to others that read here when they have no way of verifyiing if it is true or not. That is the only reason I mentioned that IF you are in possession of court documents which back up what is being posted, then posting them would dispel any doubt others may have. The prosecutors office charging the girls with lying, a felony, arresting them, testing them, sending them to the forensic center for treatment, coming to court and going back to the forensic center to the last hearing where one girl said, I'm sorry I lied. That is pretty much the way I understand it, although there were a few other things I heard also. Since I have nothing to back up what I heard, there is no need to post it. She was sentenced, released to her parents. The other girl wouldn't say she lied and was sent home with the bondman. Now, if you want to say that isn't a fact, sorry for you. O.K., now the one girl must appear in court to answer charges of lying. One of the interesting characters in this is the bondsman and his wife taking in the twin. What is the significance of stating he is a 'bondsman'? Is that his profession? Can anyone share if any kind of bond was ever posted? If not, why did the twin end up staying with them? What is the relationship there? How that materials we will all wait and see. She was not to see the two workers while being sent to the bondmans house to live. She was to see only the dr. and attorney. That is a fact. Speculation is, wonder why the judge banned her from seeing the two workers? Play with that thought all you want. Fact. the list was made before they were arrested. So.... She can't see ANYONE but her Dr and attorney? That is a fact? She can't go shopping, or go to a restaurant, or visit with a friend? My understanding (and perhaps I am wrong) is that there is a restraining order against her by the family and she cant see the family, and that she is not to have contact with Sharon and Kelly. I guess you probably heard different than I have if she can ONLY see her Dr and attorney. Fact, they were found incompetent after they were arrested.That is as I heard it Speculation, when did they become incompetent. Imagine anything your heart desires. So, I do NOT have to play with facts. They are simple and clear. Yes, that is speculation. That may be cleared up in the case of the second twin. And, since everyone seems to think you can just get those papers and post them, or people have them, where is your connections Scott? You talk to people in Mi. all the time you said. Surely someone can help you out there. Actually, I am not the one who is trying to convince anyone of the 'facts' in the case. For the most part I have agreed with what you have posted on the board. There are a few things that I have heard different, and when I post such I try to point out that it is what I have heard, but that does not always mean that it is a 'fact'. About the policewoman, B.C., she's not calling for information anymore? Kelly could surely help you out there. You have talked to her a lot. It might not be something you want to do, but when you state papers aren't available, guess you will just have to accept the fact! My point all along is to let the courts sort it out. It doesn't matter what we say here on the board if it isn't something that can be verified. As I pointed out in another post, it is good to hear of someone's personal experience. That is telling it as it happened to them. When I post something, or when you post something about those affected by the case, we are sharing about someone ElSE"S experience, and not ours. In your case it is your family, and you were present in some of the court proceedings. Likewise White Knight was present at some of the court proceedings. I have heard about what went on in many of the court proceedings BUT I wasn't present. I can see why the courts don't just make anything available, look how much smearing would have been done on this thread alone with things about incompetence and little children's lifes and etc. Most of the court proceedings will be available under the Freedom of Information Act if anyone really wants to get them. Public proceedings are generally available after a case is completed. So, if you don't want to accept the facts that are told, by a very close source, I guess just ponder how much fun it is to pretend to try and make assumptions and speculations about others lifes and what others have endured then and even now by this thread. I tend to accept facts that can be verified by other sources. Much of what you have posted I have heard from others, so I tend to accept it as 'fact'. Somethings are not the same as I have heard it elsewhere, so I do not accept it as 'fact', but neither do I discount it. Aren't those negative people enjoying themselves thinking, I can make misery alittle better by continuing on. So, I guess if you don't want to accept the facts and doubt everything, we can always keep the outcome and facts to ourselves, and you can have jolly good time speculation about what happened and to whom and when and where and how. Misery loves company.Anything that can be verified will probably be accepted as being true. Hopefully the case concerning the second twin will be over soon, and as with the family in the other case everyone will have to accept the court's ruling in the matter. Scott
|
|
|
Post by jhjmr on Jun 9, 2009 8:49:24 GMT -5
I am so glad that we must wait to see if you accept it or not. And if anything is verified it will PROBABLY be accepted as true. I thought court documents would solve everything. I really don't care who wants to accept what I say as being true or not. That in no way changes the facts. It just makes people want to not accept what really is and what really isn't. This case started with a can you imagine, this terrible thing happening in a family, with a wow, the family actually has won. That isn't very exciting. In the mean time, lets just hang on to a thread that something terrible will come out of this last twin, telling of the terrible things that took place. It isn't exciting when the one twin said I lied. All those iminaginable images, wiped out with one sentence. So, if you are in the boat to watch a nightmare unfold, I'm in the seat to see help for a very troubled young lady that we all love. Sorry, we don't need things verified on this thread, we don't need to have people sanction what we say as true, we don't need to feed the gossip mill. Am thankful for the wonderful people that have been so gracious to offer support and are concerned for the well being of good people. Those good people have treaded down a road for others to assume, speculate or disregard feelings.
|
|
|
Post by jphillips on Jun 9, 2009 9:58:34 GMT -5
Evveryone is digging for supposedly different information than what has been made known. Maybe it wasn't exciting enough. Maybe it was a shock that all those accused actually was a lie. When everything is put into perspective, here are two girls with two workers making havoc. That no one can is speculation. So, no matter what happens while these four are together, the outcome came to this. The prosecutors office charging the girls with lying, a felony, arresting them, testing them, sending them to the forensic center for treatment, coming to court and going back to the forensic center to the last hearing where one girl said, I'm sorry I lied. She was sentenced, released to her parents. The other girl wouldn't say she lied and was sent home with the bondman. Now, if you want to say that isn't a fact, sorry for you. O.K., now the one girl must appear in court to answer charges of lying. How that materials we will all wait and see. She was not to see the two workers while being sent to the bondmans house to live. She was to see only the dr. and attorney. That is a fact. Speculation is, wonder why the judge banned her from seeing the two workers? Play with that thought all you want. Fact. the list was made before they were arrested. Fact, they were found incompetent after they were arrested. Speculation, when did they become incompetent. Imagine anything your heart desires. So, I do NOT have to play with facts. They are simple and clear. And, since everyone seems to think you can just get those papers and post them, or people have them, where is your connections Scott? You talk to people in Mi. all the time you said. Surely someone can help you out there. About the policewoman, B.C., she's not calling for information anymore? Kelly could surely help you out there. You have talked to her a lot. It might not be something you want to do, but when you state papers aren't available, guess you will just have to accept the fact! I can see why the courts don't just make anything available, look how much smearing would have been done on this thread alone with things about incompetence and little children's lifes and etc. So, if you don't want to accept the facts that are told, by a very close source, I guess just ponder how much fun it is to pretend to try and make assumptions and speculations about others lifes and what others have endured then and even now by this thread. Aren't those negative people enjoying themselves thinking, I can make misery alittle better by continuing on. So, I guess if you don't want to accept the facts and doubt everything, we can always keep the outcome and facts to ourselves, and you can have jolly good time speculation about what happened and to whom and when and where and how. Misery loves company. Just wondering, not going to page through hundreds of pages, but what sentence was the first twin given for lying? Was it probation? If so, what's wrong with the second twin just take the identical sentence of probation and move on. Now she could end up with jail time!
|
|
|
Post by jhjmr on Jun 9, 2009 10:29:42 GMT -5
The first twin received one yr. probabion and any recommendations that the dr. recommended for further treatment. The second twin denied lying and yes, very certain could receive a jail sentence.
|
|
|
Post by Scott Ross on Jun 9, 2009 10:50:59 GMT -5
The first twin received one yr. probabion and any recommendations that the dr. recommended for further treatment. The second twin denied lying and yes, very certain could receive a jail sentence.There was also a fine imposed wasn't there? I am not sure if the fine is contingent on the probation period being met. It seems like I heard something of the sort. If the probation is violated, the first twin could be subjected to the original sentencing guidelines. The second twin will have the same sentencing guidelines as the first as the charge is the same I believe. If there is any sentence handed down by the judge, it will be within the same guidelines as with the first twin. One of the issues I am curious about is it seems as if everyone feels that the two have made the same identical statements to the authorities. Wouldn't they have made separate statements, and thus any charges would be related to those individual statements? I would imagine that there would be some statements the same, but not all. jhjmr, you seem to feel that I discount what others have posted here. That isn't the case at all. Here is what I stated: I tend to accept facts that can be verified by other sources. Much of what you have posted I have heard from others, so I tend to accept it as 'fact'. Somethings are not the same as I have heard it elsewhere, so I do not accept it as 'fact', but neither do I discount it.I am acknowledging that there is much of what you say that I have heard from other sources, so I tend to accept it. Those things which I have heard a different version of I neither accept it or discount it. That likewise would pertain to what I heard from others. Scott
|
|
|
Post by pianoman on Jun 12, 2009 0:08:04 GMT -5
Keeping this one on page one also.....................
|
|
|
Post by dgaab on Jun 18, 2009 9:26:22 GMT -5
The first twin received one yr. probabion and any recommendations that the dr. recommended for further treatment. The second twin denied lying and yes, very certain could receive a jail sentence.There was also a fine imposed wasn't there? I am not sure if the fine is contingent on the probation period being met. It seems like I heard something of the sort. If the probation is violated, the first twin could be subjected to the original sentencing guidelines. The second twin will have the same sentencing guidelines as the first as the charge is the same I believe. If there is any sentence handed down by the judge, it will be within the same guidelines as with the first twin.One of the issues I am curious about is it seems as if everyone feels that the two have made the same identical statements to the authorities. Wouldn't they have made separate statements, and thus any charges would be related to those individual statements? I would imagine that there would be some statements the same, but not all. jhjmr, you seem to feel that I discount what others have posted here. That isn't the case at all. Here is what I stated: I tend to accept facts that can be verified by other sources. Much of what you have posted I have heard from others, so I tend to accept it as 'fact'. Somethings are not the same as I have heard it elsewhere, so I do not accept it as 'fact', but neither do I discount it.I am acknowledging that there is much of what you say that I have heard from other sources, so I tend to accept it. Those things which I have heard a different version of I neither accept it or discount it. That likewise would pertain to what I heard from others. Scott Same guidelines, but, ... Being speculative, on my part, whereas both twins were apparently charged with the same charge and the first ended up with probation, it was a prearranged sentence to avoid a lengthly court trial at the risk of a maximum penalty. I suspect if the second twin goes to trial and is convicted that she will receive the brunt of punishment under the charges, which will most likely be jail time as dictated by the charges, in no way will she be given the low-ball sentence that twin 1 accepted. And, of course, if she's found not guilty she walks free-and-clear. Lying is lying, all it takes is one false statement or a false police report, either carrying the identical charge but the sentence under that charge may vary from probation to jail time and restitution, a penalty that is solely at the discretion of the judge. The judge doesn't even have to accept any prearranged agreement for sentencing by the DA and defense attorney, many may have even heard stories where judges have thrown out a jury's verdict. If one twin lied more than the other it just gives the DA more nails to seal her coffin. Twin 2 has elected to run the judicial gauntlet, but all the DA has to do is prove that she has provided ONE false statement to either law enforcement, the DAs office or in prior court proceedings and her fate is sealed. Whether it's in signed statements, courtroom transcripts or substantiated from credible testimony of others. Time will tell her fate.
|
|
|
Post by greenthumb on Jun 18, 2009 22:31:03 GMT -5
Scott, what have you heard about S & K? are they being punished too??
|
|
White Knight
Senior Member
THE SHADOW KNOWS. In the shadow of the highest is a refuge from all fear.
Posts: 510
|
Post by White Knight on Jul 2, 2009 19:08:08 GMT -5
For all readers info today the second twin plead guilt no contest too all the charges. However, made a plea bargin.
|
|