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Post by Len Scapon on Sept 4, 2007 9:50:19 GMT -5
I hear that in the friends in England have been instructed not to put phots of workers on facebook/myspace/email/online photo albums etc. , because there is concern that the internet is becoming too damaging to the church. They do not want photo's transferred to sites opposing 2x2's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 9:52:21 GMT -5
Fair enough, I suppose
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Post by So on Sept 4, 2007 9:55:30 GMT -5
I hear that in the friends in England have been instructed not to put phots of workers on facebook/myspace/email/online photo albums etc. , because there is concern that the internet is becoming too damaging to the church. They do not want photo's transferred to sites opposing 2x2's. Then the workers do not follow Jesus. They are afraid of being seen and do not have trust nor faith in GOD.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 9:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by Buy on Sept 4, 2007 10:01:30 GMT -5
But the majority of it was for the sick and those without a shepard.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 4, 2007 10:02:36 GMT -5
When you shine a light on truth, it should still be truth right? Then why are they afraid of the light?
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Post by junia on Sept 4, 2007 10:05:18 GMT -5
But if someone (the 2x2 church) is the sole possessor of "truth", why not share it with the world as Jesus commanded?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 10:07:02 GMT -5
Rapidly getting off the subject... ps Jesus WAS the light that all could see, but He also rejoiced that these things were hidden from the wise and prudent, and revealed unto babes. So you SHOW people a good example, but you don't confide your inner feelings, prayers, experiences etc to people who may respect your life, but hate it also.
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Post by Englander on Sept 4, 2007 10:21:53 GMT -5
I hear that in the friends in England have been instructed not to put phots of workers on facebook/myspace/email/online photo albums etc. , because there is concern that the internet is becoming too damaging to the church. They do not want photo's transferred to sites opposing 2x2's. Then you heard wrongly. They did not say this. Cameras have been used extensively at all UK conventions, and workers photos published in many places, inlcuding the internet. No comments made about not doing this.
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Post by Literally on Sept 4, 2007 10:29:05 GMT -5
God never instructed us to hide ourselves from the world. He said that we should rejoice if we are persecuted for our righteousness sakes. We are to be a light to the world, and let that light shine boldly before men. As exampled by the apostles in the NT who went and spoke BOLDLY the gospel as pertaining to Christ before the lost sheep and the gentiles. Remember it is not the sick who need a physician.
When he said that these things were hidden from the wise and prudent, it was because their minds and hearts were closed to them. They were unable to accept the gift that Jesus was offering because of their own pride and self righteousness.
It wasn't because they were actually hiding it from them. It was because of unwillingness.
There is really no place in the bible were there is any instruction that we should hide ourselves from the world, and save ourselves from persecution. But there are many verses and examples showing exactly the opposite.
The early church was persecuted, and because of this they were meeting in homes. But even then it doesn't say that the church went about to hid themselves altogether. Especially not the apostles. Who were out there still spreading the gospel with the same boldness as ever. In some cases they left an area if they thought there life was actually at risk, but this is hardly comparable to putting ones picture on the internet.
God forbid someone might see it there and say something bad. Boo hoo.
If they are in God's true way they have nothing to fear.
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Post by Barcelona on Sept 4, 2007 10:30:15 GMT -5
WE were told to absolutely NOT have cameras at convention at Barcelona AT ALL. Not even to be seen.
They said that Convention was not a place to be taking picture.
The only time a camera would be aloud was for the young peoples picture.
PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by bertism on Sept 4, 2007 10:31:34 GMT -5
Indeed! From the New Testament book of Bu llShit, Chapter 11, verse 13: Then Jesus said unto them: Verily I say unto you, let no man save those you judge worthy of me know that you have seen and heard these things.From the New Testament book of Bu llShit, Chapter 13, verse 11: Then Jesus said unto them: Verily I say unto you that whatsoever things you have seen in this place are to be hidden from all mankind; Repeat not those things which you have heard here today; Yea, forget all things you have seen and heard this day.
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Post by real truth is NOT of cameras on Sept 4, 2007 11:15:22 GMT -5
To Bert: you know my heart goes out to you and so many others that are this 2x2 system, you need to be honest, with yourself and before God, if you truly are He will show you real living Truth, I know after many years 40+ in the system, also in the work. It was not easy to admit before God I didn't know the 'living Christ' that all I had was 'religion' and one that didn't even embrace fundamental Christian values..
Our Pastor, every word he preaches is recorded..he encourages you to listen to it..to share it..in fact it is shared in many countries..as it should be..as far as pictures..he is also filmed..nothing hidden..or for certain 'eyes' re this 'babes' business..nothing he says when he preaches is for 'select ears'...because he preaches God's word..not adding..not taking away..no distortion..nothing left out...no ear 'tickling'..if has to be said it is ...strong discipline at times..but said with grace and wisdom..
often he will touch on things very personal..and will ask folks to stand their feet..if this is an issue..to proceed after the service to talk to those in ministry about it..to deal with it...and they do...all see it ..witness them going...we don't of course know the specifics...don't need to, but know they have this 'problem' and can enter into prayer for them..as we are encourgaed to do. We, in the body of Christ ,are accountable to each other. There has to be an open, honest communication amongst believers, as we serve a God who does not lie, does not cover-up, and wants us to behave likewise.
you see this and much more takes place in 'Truth'..but in the 'system'.. so much has been covered...so much secrecy....yes I know many folks in the 2 by 2 are very 'good' people..so therefore a day doesn't go by that I don't pray for these, including my dear family..
God bless
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Post by real truth NOT of cameras on Sept 4, 2007 11:19:12 GMT -5
Whoops ..should be real Truth NOT afraid of cameras!!!!!!!!
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 4, 2007 11:22:33 GMT -5
Those who want to hide do so because they have something to hide.
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Post by why hide on Sept 4, 2007 11:44:04 GMT -5
I agree, Wingsofaneagle.
As for bible quotations, let us consider these:
Matthew
5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Mark
4:21 And he said unto them, Is a candle brought to be put under a bushel, or under a bed? and not to be set on a candlestick?
4:22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.
Luke
8:16 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.
8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
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Post by las logged out on Sept 4, 2007 11:46:38 GMT -5
I hear that in the friends in England have been instructed not to put phots of workers on facebook/myspace/email/online photo albums etc. , because there is concern that the internet is becoming too damaging to the church. They do not want photo's transferred to sites opposing 2x2's. The damage has already been done there ain't anything that can hurt 2x2's more then there reputations have already been damaged
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Post by las logged out on Sept 4, 2007 11:48:44 GMT -5
To Bert: you know my heart goes out to you and so many others that are this 2x2 system, you need to be honest, with yourself and before God, if you truly are He will show you real living Truth, I know after many years 40+ in the system, also in the work. It was not easy to admit before God I didn't know the 'living Christ' that all I had was 'religion' and one that didn't even embrace fundamental Christian values.. Our Pastor, every word he preaches is recorded..he encourages you to listen to it..to share it..in fact it is shared in many countries..as it should be..as far as pictures..he is also filmed..nothing hidden..or for certain 'eyes' re this 'babes' business..nothing he says when he preaches is for 'select ears'...because he preaches God's word..not adding..not taking away..no distortion..nothing left out...no ear 'tickling'..if has to be said it is ...strong discipline at times..but said with grace and wisdom.. often he will touch on things very personal..and will ask folks to stand their feet..if this is an issue..to proceed after the service to talk to those in ministry about it..to deal with it...and they do...all see it ..witness them going...we don't of course know the specifics...don't need to, but know they have this 'problem' and can enter into prayer for them..as we are encourgaed to do. We, in the body of Christ ,are accountable to each other. There has to be an open, honest communication amongst believers, as we serve a God who does not lie, does not cover-up, and wants us to behave likewise. you see this and much more takes place in 'Truth'..but in the 'system'.. so much has been covered...so much secrecy....yes I know many folks in the 2 by 2 are very 'good' people..so therefore a day doesn't go by that I don't pray for these, including my dear family.. God bless The thing that really helped me was getting some DVd's from Macgregor Ministries listening to pastor David legge
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Post by Jessi on Sept 4, 2007 11:59:31 GMT -5
Yes, we wouldn't want them to be seen preaching the real Jesus of the Bible who is God. Christ's Forever, Jessi
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Post by Ian Chisman on Sept 4, 2007 12:02:01 GMT -5
Historically I have been tasking with taking the 'formal' pictures at UK conventions. I can confirm that there as been a directive to ask all other 'non formal' photography to cease.
At a pot luck 2 weeks ago , 3 cameras were confiscated.
C'est la vie.
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Post by las logged out on Sept 4, 2007 12:12:04 GMT -5
Historically I have been tasking with taking the 'formal' pictures at UK conventions. I can confirm that there as been a directive to ask all other 'non formal' photography to cease. At a pot luck 2 weeks ago , 3 cameras were confiscated. C'est la vie. I'd go to police Immediately don't fool around with hit and run artists
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Post by Tube on Sept 4, 2007 15:44:29 GMT -5
I want to see some convention camera action on You-tube. Which of you young professors are going to bag the credibility of being the first ever to post a live convention scene? The Sunday inevitable Sunday afternoon lecture during the graveyard slot should be a doddle to record - most people are asleep by then and those that aren't have just woken up and aren't sure exactly where they are. Come on bert ..... get your credibility back!
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Post by really on Sept 4, 2007 16:04:25 GMT -5
When you shine a light on truth, it should still be truth right? Then why are they afraid of the light? They are not afraid of the light... Then why aren't you all posting YOUR pictures? Do unto others as you would have done to you. No-one should be allowed to post information/identities of other people except by the OTHER PARTY's CONSENT.. Isn't that fair?
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Post by freedom2 on Sept 4, 2007 16:05:22 GMT -5
Historically I have been tasking with taking the 'formal' pictures at UK conventions. I can confirm that there as been a directive to ask all other 'non formal' photography to cease. At a pot luck 2 weeks ago , 3 cameras were confiscated. C'est la vie. I'd go to police Immediately don't fool around with hit and run artists Exactly! That is stealing!
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 4, 2007 16:23:05 GMT -5
When you shine a light on truth, it should still be truth right? Then why are they afraid of the light? They are not afraid of the light... Then why aren't you all posting YOUR pictures? Do unto others as you would have done to you. No-one should be allowed to post information/identities of other people except by the OTHER PARTY's CONSENT.. Isn't that fair? Ill post any of my pictures... what would you like? I have nothing to hide. As far as I know, the general rule in the United States is that anyone may take photographs of whatever they want when they are in a public place or places. Absent a specific legal prohibition such as a statute or ordinance, you are legally entitled to take photographs. Pictures of the workers are distributed or can be bought at the convention grounds by anyone. What if I choose to put that picture into an online photo album as opposed to one on my coffee table? Is that wrong? Even the notorious pedophile out west who's been in the news recently has taken pictures of kids and posted them online. They can't arrest him for that.
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Post by las logged out on Sept 4, 2007 16:24:46 GMT -5
To say no to cameras you might as well also say no to cell phone too ?
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Post by Back rooms on Sept 4, 2007 16:33:23 GMT -5
When you shine a light on truth, it should still be truth right? Then why are they afraid of the light? Do you ever eat sausage? Looking in at the sausage making industry with too bright a light is not always a good thing. It does not change the truth but there are many who are better off perhaps not knowing all of the truth.
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Post by gloryintruth on Sept 4, 2007 17:44:26 GMT -5
Then the workers do not follow Jesus. They are afraid of being seen and do not have trust nor faith in GOD.
Curious then that God did not see fit to include a full-colour photo album with the Bible. Or, a couple of chapters providing a complete profile of the Lord and the Apostles: the colour of John's eyes, the size of the Lord's nose, the extent of Matthew's perspiration in hot weather, etc.
Have you ever seen a photograph of Jesus? Neither have I. So the point being made is a nonsense.
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