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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 5, 2007 18:45:55 GMT -5
In most countries it is illegal, in public and private settings...In Australia it is illegal to photograph or film someone without their consent and to publish it in a public space. I keep a careful eye on most ex-2x2 websites. If ever there appeared photographs of Australian Friends or Workers I would notify the appropriate people (as well as the host ISP) to take legal action. (I recieved this legal advice yesterday from the Dept. of Education, so it is quite fresh.) No so in the good ole U S of A!
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 5, 2007 18:54:12 GMT -5
This is all bogus. They dont want cameras and they dont want to be taped simply because they don't want anyone to have EVIDENCE of what they are doing!!! PERIOD. Let the workers lay it all out in the open... lets examine it in the light of scripture... lets discuss it. Don't hide. Don't run. Don't lie. What are you afraid of? The truth? ??
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Post by painful truth on Sept 5, 2007 19:10:18 GMT -5
Then the workers do not follow Jesus. They are afraid of being seen and do not have trust nor faith in GOD.Curious then that God did not see fit to include a full-colour photo album with the Bible. Or, a couple of chapters providing a complete profile of the Lord and the Apostles: the colour of John's eyes, the size of the Lord's nose, the extent of Matthew's perspiration in hot weather, etc. Have you ever seen a photograph of Jesus? Neither have I. So the point being made is a nonsense. I love it! Another great example of 2x2 obfuscation! A full color photo album in the bible and a color photograph of Jesus; just two things that don't exist ONLY because God decided they weren't necessary - nevermind a lack of technology back then - God just didn't want it. This kind of obfuscation and "playing dumb for the sake of argument" is exactly the kind of thing on the TMB that made me see the light and leave the 2x2s. Keep it up Truthers - You are the real reason the workers don't want the friends coming here - This is where they see what you're really made of.
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Post by talking points on Sept 5, 2007 19:23:34 GMT -5
obfuscation, willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, disingenuity, and outright falsehoods...
all of which make up the manner in which 2x2ists defend the faith they hold in their church (instead of Christ alone)
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Post by Jessi on Sept 5, 2007 23:29:18 GMT -5
Dear GiT: They wrote something down, which became Scripture. The workers don't write anything down. Why not? Because then people could tear apart what they have written - and they would be doomed to scrutiny. They wouldn't be able to bear it. I think it's funny you should try take "legal action" against anyone taking pictures of F&W - What is the big deal? It is not a public ministry? Is it a private club, Christianity? Why would you take legal action through a WORLDLY court? 1 Corinthians 6 (NIV) Lawsuits Among Believers 1If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? 2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church! 5I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? 6But instead, one brother goes to law against another—and this in front of unbelievers! 7The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers. Oh, I forgot. We are not "brothers" because we don't belong to the one true church. It's OK to sue us through a worldly court. GiT: I have always tried hard to keep friendly relations with the former members of the Fellowship, even though I feel that they are lost souls. I pray for their conversion on an ongoing basis.What is the basis for your judgement that former members are lost souls? Because they left your group? Christ's Forever, Jessi
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Post by gloryintruth on Sept 5, 2007 23:47:44 GMT -5
I think it's funny you should try take "legal action" against anyone taking pictures of F&W - What is the big deal?
Do you realise you are implying that it is fine to flout the laws of my country? Are we meant to stand watch as people break the law and do nothing? I prefer to act.
It is not a public ministry? Is it a private club, Christianity? Why would you take legal action through a WORLDLY court?
Where else does one take legal action? There are no other established means of bringing law-breakers and criminals to justice. I am sure you are not suggesting we take matters into our own hands, or stand idly by while others commit criminal acts. If you would report a robbery you witnessed to the police, you have no functional basis for condemning me for reporting other forms of illegality.
Or does God not establish worldly authorties and laws to order our societies and bring terror unto evil-doers?
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Post by freedom on Sept 6, 2007 0:09:57 GMT -5
Then the workers do not follow Jesus. They are afraid of being seen and do not have trust nor faith in GOD. I love it! Another great example of 2x2 obfuscation! This kind of obfuscation and "playing dumb for the sake of argument" is exactly the kind of thing on the TMB that made me see the light and leave the 2x2s. Keep it up Truthers - You are the real reason the workers don't want the friends coming here - This is where they see what you're really made of. You made a very good point, but what, pray tell, is obfuscation? You can save hundreds or thousands of us the time to go look it up .
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Post by obfuscation on Sept 6, 2007 0:34:27 GMT -5
You made a very good point, but what, pray tell, is obfuscation? You can save hundreds or thousands of us the time to go look it up . obfuscation, as it applies to git/bert/n9/etc is the act of obscuring people's understanding and leaving them baffled or bewildered as to what is really being said by choosing words with double meanings, selectively interpreting what has been said, or playing other word games to muddy an issue. FOR EXAMPLE:YOU SAY: The preacher at my church had 3 pigs but sold them. YOU MEANT (AND EVERYONE ELSE INTERPRETED THIS AS): The preacher at my church had in his posession 3 animals, pigs to be exact, but he sold them to someone else. GIT RESPONDS: Your preacher is a bad parent and an unGodly man. Why? BECAUSE GIT OBFUSCATED WHAT YOU SAID AS: The preacher at my church refers to his 3 kids as pigs and recently sold his kids on the black market. NATHAN9 RESPONDS: Your preacher is a greedy business man and an unGodly man. Why? BECAUSE NATHAN9 OBFUSCATED WHAT YOU SAID AS: The preacher at my church sold three pigs way above market value and is now living high on the hog at the expense of the people he ripped off. BERT RESPONDS: Your preacher is a perverted, sick, and unGodly man. Why? BECAUSE BERT OBFUSCATED WHAT YOU SAID AS: The preacher at my church had sex with 3 ugly women in one night and then pimped them out to members of the church.
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Post by arlis on Sept 6, 2007 0:59:02 GMT -5
Thanks ;D
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Post by gloryintruth on Sept 6, 2007 6:33:22 GMT -5
They wrote something down, which became Scripture.
As moved by the Most Holy Spirit, who inspired the text.
The workers don't write anything down. Why not? Because then people could tear apart what they have written - and they would be doomed to scrutiny. They wouldn't be able to bear it.
This seems to be a big issue with you, Jessi. But I think this assertion escapes the rather obvious fact that every year reams of notes of Workers' sermons are produced around the world, and many of these are circulated around the internet and through the ex-2x2 online networks. Exes already tear apart the sermons of the Workers; the sermons are available and easily obtainable; there is already a considerable journalistic enterprise in which Workers' comments reach (sometimes within the space of mere hours) this web-board.
It is my contention that, contrary to your statement above, the Workers' are already subjected to a level of scrutinty so intense that if a denominational preacher were in a compariable situation, he would doubtless create waves in protest!
I think it's funny you should try take "legal action" against anyone taking pictures of F&W - What is the big deal? It is not a public ministry? Is it a private club, Christianity? Why would you take legal action through a WORLDLY court?
As a citizen of my country, I am bound to uphold its laws. I admit that I did wonder which exe would be the first to make a fuss over my stated intention to notify the appropriate people if a breach of law took place. I did not imagine it would be you, Jessi.
Oh, I forgot. We are not "brothers" because we don't belong to the one true church. It's OK to sue us through a worldly court.
That is correct. You are not a participant in the Lord's true Church in the earth, and therefore should not expect to enjoy the privledges of fellowship accorded only to those who are part of the spiritual Body of Christ. We do not afford you any additional consideration other than that which we would extend to the heathen or apostate.
What is the basis for your judgement that former members are lost souls? Because they left your group?
Because they left Christ.
Christ's Forever
H'mmm...
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Post by spiritual bigotry on Sept 6, 2007 7:38:48 GMT -5
You are not a participant in the Lord's true Church in the earth, and therefore should not expect to enjoy the privledges of fellowship accorded only to those who are part of the spiritual Body of Christ. We do not afford you any additional consideration other than that which we would extend to the heathen or apostate. What is the basis for your judgement that former members are lost souls? Because they left your group? Because they left Christ. SPIRITUAL BIGOTRY IN THE FLESH.... Jesus is disappointed in you, GIT
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Post by junia on Sept 6, 2007 9:08:54 GMT -5
That is correct. You are not a participant in the Lord's true Church in the earth, and therefore should not expect to enjoy the privledges of fellowship accorded only to those who are part of the spiritual Body of Christ. We do not afford you any additional consideration other than that which we would extend to the heathen or apostate. What is the basis for your judgement that former members are lost souls? Because they left your group? Because they left Christ. Christ's ForeverH'mmm... Wow. That's one of the most pathetic things I've seen from you GIT. For a while there I mistakenly thought you were making some progress but you've become an embarrassing extremist. Is there any love in you man? You and Jessi may disagree on some of the non-essentials, but you trust in the same Christ. Why can't you see this? At the rate you're going here, you're alienating yourself from almost every Christian with your only allies remaining other 2x2 extremists.
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Post by slightly confused here on Sept 6, 2007 10:35:34 GMT -5
I thought this GIT person was leaving the board?
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Post by UK visitor on Sept 6, 2007 11:16:16 GMT -5
WE were told to absolutely NOT have cameras at convention at Barcelona AT ALL. Not even to be seen. They said that Convention was not a place to be taking picture. The only time a camera would be aloud was for the young peoples picture. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was at the Barcelona con this year. Didn't hear this said. Did see lots of cameras and photos being taken.
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Post by welcome back git on Sept 6, 2007 12:45:36 GMT -5
I thought this GIT person was leaving the board? I'm glad he's back. I just sent 3 more of the friends to this board to see just how blasphemous a real 2x2 can be.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 6, 2007 15:12:49 GMT -5
GIT says: "Because they left Christ". Reminds me that hymn I used to sing.... "out of Christ without a Savior". I thought at the time it meant anyone who didn't go to meetings. Im ashamed to think I was such a snob and so disillusioned.
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Post by Jessi on Sept 6, 2007 17:55:30 GMT -5
I think it's funny you should try take "legal action" against anyone taking pictures of F&W - What is the big deal?Do you realise you are implying that it is fine to flout the laws of my country? Are we meant to stand watch as people break the law and do nothing? I prefer to act. It is not a public ministry? Is it a private club, Christianity? Why would you take legal action through a WORLDLY court? Where else does one take legal action? There are no other established means of bringing law-breakers and criminals to justice. I am sure you are not suggesting we take matters into our own hands, or stand idly by while others commit criminal acts. If you would report a robbery you witnessed to the police, you have no functional basis for condemning me for reporting other forms of illegality. Or does God not establish worldly authorties and laws to order our societies and bring terror unto evil-doers? I didn't condemn you. I said I think it's funny. You didn't answer my question, GiT. Christ's Forever, Jessi
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Post by Jessi on Sept 6, 2007 17:58:14 GMT -5
They wrote something down, which became Scripture.As moved by the Most Holy Spirit, who inspired the text. The workers don't write anything down. Why not? Because then people could tear apart what they have written - and they would be doomed to scrutiny. They wouldn't be able to bear it.This seems to be a big issue with you, Jessi. But I think this assertion escapes the rather obvious fact that every year reams of notes of Workers' sermons are produced around the world, and many of these are circulated around the internet and through the ex-2x2 online networks. Exes already tear apart the sermons of the Workers; the sermons are available and easily obtainable; there is already a considerable journalistic enterprise in which Workers' comments reach (sometimes within the space of mere hours) this web-board. It is my contention that, contrary to your statement above, the Workers' are already subjected to a level of scrutinty so intense that if a denominational preacher were in a compariable situation, he would doubtless create waves in protest! I think it's funny you should try take "legal action" against anyone taking pictures of F&W - What is the big deal? It is not a public ministry? Is it a private club, Christianity? Why would you take legal action through a WORLDLY court? As a citizen of my country, I am bound to uphold its laws. I admit that I did wonder which exe would be the first to make a fuss over my stated intention to notify the appropriate people if a breach of law took place. I did not imagine it would be you, Jessi. Oh, I forgot. We are not "brothers" because we don't belong to the one true church. It's OK to sue us through a worldly court. That is correct. You are not a participant in the Lord's true Church in the earth, and therefore should not expect to enjoy the privledges of fellowship accorded only to those who are part of the spiritual Body of Christ. We do not afford you any additional consideration other than that which we would extend to the heathen or apostate. What is the basis for your judgement that former members are lost souls? Because they left your group? Because they left Christ. Christ's ForeverH'mmm... You change your mind every week, GiT. I wish you well. Weren't you leaving? Oh well. Welcome back! Christ's Forever, Jessi
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Post by Jessi on Sept 6, 2007 18:06:10 GMT -5
How can I be saved, GiT? Can you please tell me?
Christ's Forever,
Jessi
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Post by the Word on Sept 6, 2007 18:39:45 GMT -5
How can I be saved, GiT? Can you please tell me? Jessi What does the Word say?
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Post by picture taker on Sept 8, 2007 2:56:47 GMT -5
Why would they care if anyone took a picture? What is there to take pictures of?
It's not like they have any shrines or anything written down that you could take pictures of!
I would say that if they really don't want anyone taking pictures, they'd better start confiscating cell phones!
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