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Post by Marge Reynolds on Jan 25, 2006 17:09:13 GMT -5
I am not surprised about the lies and gossip that is being spread on this Board regarding Steve. THE TRUTH is that Steve, has finally realized what " following Jesus" really means. Steve, if you read this message, please get in touch with me. You will NOT receive judgment, condemnation, and put downs from me. Do not be discouraged. GOD IS IN CONTROL. Email me at reyn11@telus.net I am praying for you and include much love. You have been RICHLY BLESSED. Marge Reynolds
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jan 25, 2006 17:12:49 GMT -5
I am not surprised about the lies and gossip that is being spread on this Board regarding Steve. THE TRUTH is that Steve, has finally realized what " following Jesus" really means. Are you sure you Steve has just recently come to understand what following Jesus is all about? Perhaps he has just recently come to understand what "walking in this way" is all about. "This way" meaning the workers' church.
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Post by marge Reynolds on Jan 26, 2006 22:07:22 GMT -5
Just a few questions for those that think they are following Jesus and in the ONLY way to Heaven. Where does it say in the bible that Christ came to start ANY Church? His church was not a BUILDING but a group of people that BELIEVED in HIM. Where did Christ ever say that in order to be a Minister that you HAD to be be single and not marry, go out two by two, meet in homes. adhere to a dress code, etc. Where does it say that any human being on the entire planet has the right to condemn, judge, discourage, depress or abuse any other human being? Where does it say that God gave certain religious celebrities the RIGHT TO EXCOMMUNICATE anyone FROM God's LOVE? What the bible does say, is that ALL men are sinners, anyone that Say's they have NO sin is a liar and the truth is not in him. How can one sinner punish another sinner? SIN is the great equalizer. ALL men have come short of the glory of GOD. God IS NOT a respecter of persons. What makes anyone think they can impress God or earn brownie points by WORKS. What WORK did Christ ask us to do? HE asked us to go and set the captives free, and love your neighbor as yourself. This is not connected to shunning, judging, and sending people packing to hell, making up and gossiping and lying to cover up the TRUTH. WHAT ever is necessary for us to have Eternal life JESUS did it ALL for us at the cross. IF you insist that you MUST do this and you MUST do that, then all you are asking is for Christ to go to the CROSS again. He did it ALL for you, it is finished. Check out your Bible. It is your responsibility to SEE IF THESE THINGS ARE TRUE. What did the thief on the cross do, in order to be in Paradise that very night?? You cannot support a church that LIES, and be following Jesus. IMPOSSIBLE. Love Marge
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Post by Marge Reynolds on Jan 26, 2006 22:56:03 GMT -5
I am SURE based on Steven's experience. HE first of all, I think it is safe to say, came to terms regarding what the WAY was all about. Many are in DENIAL regarding this. Then when we realize that this fear and guilt that we experienced when we QUESTIONED, not to mention being classed as having a wrong Spirit, and other terms of abuse, some of us read what the Bible REALLY Say's and understand the New Covenant, God's Grace and what he did on the cross for us. Then we understand what following Jesus Is all about. Others decide that the Bible and God is simply a CROCK, which was where I was at for over ten years when I abounded the ship. In those day's there was no information, INTERNET sites etc, for me to even consider going to. It took me YEARS to realize that the god that I attempted to serve and failed miserably, over and over again, did not even EXIST. I am not here to argue whether God exists or doesn't. I had an experience that was very real to me and proved to Me, that God in fact does exist. I am talking to people that DO believe in God, and Jesus and claim to be following him, when in fact they simply are not. when I was in the 2x2 Cult for many,. many years, and when I left did not know god or Jesus from a load of HAY. My life, service, etc. was attempting to follow the WORKERS. Love Marge
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Post by Mid Westener on Jan 26, 2006 23:04:14 GMT -5
Midwestener. No Jesus was not praying to himself. He was asked by the Disciples how to pray, and so Jesus gave a SAMPLE prayer.
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Post by marjorie on Jan 27, 2006 0:44:31 GMT -5
I posted a couple of messages and they were on the board on page 5. Now I can only access up to page 4? ?? Can anyone help??/ Marge Reynolds
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Post by marjorie on Jan 27, 2006 0:46:37 GMT -5
OOOPS Sorry. I got here when I posted the last message. Do not get a spell check though which could be a MESS . Thanks Marge
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2006 1:14:19 GMT -5
Something that I've noticed that is not uncommon among those who do not believe in the Godhead of Father Son and Holy Spirit is this almost mocking expression regarding The Son."If HE was (note: in this type of ridicule for the concept, it is always "was") GOD then he was praying to himself in the garden and while on the cross." Some times this is formed as a rather sarcastic question. If Jesus was GOD then who was he praying to, Himself? In my opinion it is so tragic that their dispute with GOD as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit so blinds them as to being totally unable to even recognize or perceive GOD AS Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, separate but one! That in being so blind, the mockers seemingly, by their comments and questions, are unable to even comprehend that The Son would, and did, pray to the Father and and do so repeatedly.
The concept can be thought of like this: When a man has a son, the result is another man, nobody ever questions that. Nor do they question that when a male monkey has a male offspring the result is a monkey.
Some by their comments appear unable to consider the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one Spirit GOD able to merge and emerge, and not as man. A son exists as the same species as his mother AND father. Some animals can interbreed their species, forming a mixture of half and half (as a mule.)
However, The Lord in being born both of woman and the Holy Spirit was fully man, AND fully GOD (a Spirit!) It is this concept that is apparently is totally lost on those who cannot accept the Father and Son as one Spirit GOD, along with the Holy Spirit.
BTW, The Lord's true prayer to The Father is recorded in John 17. and is not the sample prayer Jesus used in teaching disciples how to pray. In it He also prayed to His Father.
With love (yes even for those who do NOT believe as I believe!)
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Post by marjorie on Jan 27, 2006 10:53:43 GMT -5
I would like to know from those that feel they are following Jesus, where Jesus ever gave any man the power to send someone to Hell? Becasue of the doctrine of the 2x2's one of their many basic error beliefs is that they are the ONLY way. When someone is excommunicated, then by excommunicating them from the ONLY WAY, they are in fact taking the liberty to seperated those persons from god's love. They are in fact sending that person to Hell and a lost Eternity. Fairly scary if you ask me. Jesus said, to let the tares grow with the wheat until the harvest. Jesus also said, that all men are sinners, and if anyone say's they have no sin then the truth is not in them, AND THEY are a liar. How is it possible THEN for one sinner to seperate another sinner from God??? When some have erred ( IN FACT THERE IS NOT ANYONE THAT HAS NOT ERRED), in the "one way fellowship", they have been told that they can no longer partake of the Emblems or take part in the testimonies. How can any MAN ever think they have to power to stop people ( sinners), from taking communion. Partaking in communion is, admitting you are a sinner, and thanking god for his forgivenes and unconditional love, AND GRACE, THAT IS THE only THING THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO have A RELATIONSHIP WITH god. The only way you can possibley take the Emblems unworthily is to take them and believe you HAVE NO SIN. How can anyone on this planet, stop anyone else from reading from the bible and talking about things in the Bible. The only possible way that this could ever be is if that person thinks they are GODS, especially appointed by God. THe LAST thing jesus di for Judas was offe him the cup of forgiveness. Well God is love and we must worship HIM in SPIRIT and in TRUTH. There is only ONE God, and God did not ever give any man the power to ape Him or play the roll of God. God is no respector of persons. The door to Jesus and Salvation is open to anyone, that believes, and NO MAN CAN PLUCK US OUT OF HIS HANDS. I have a personal relationship with Christ. It is safe and secure. sealed until the day of redemption, and there is not one person on the planet, that can rob me, or take away my Salvation. NOT ONE. QUESTIONING is a BIG SIN AND NO NO in the 2X2 Church. Many have been axed for just asking questions. DARING TO ASK THE high AND mighty A question. Folks have been told they have a wrong spirit, then if they do not straighten up, others are told they are rotten apples, and to stay away from them lest they catch the same bug. the truth is that yu can ask anyone any questions you choose to ask them. Well it so happens that the Bible clearly states that we should EXAMINE our Faith and see if it IS of GOD. HOw can any spirit come from God, that criticizes, condemns, judges, inflicts guilt and fear, and actually believes that they are EQUAL with GOd. Are those the fruits of the SPIRIT? How can you possibly shun, dissown, and have no compassion and love for the entire world??? How can anyone possibly believe that they have the MONOPOLY on God? It say's that God so loved the WORLD, that he gave HIS only begotten son to SAVE those that believe. The workers cannot SAVE anyone. PERIOD. Neither can I or anyone else. YOUR belief and faith is between you and God. That is of course if you are folowing Jesus. Love Marge
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Post by Easy Answer on Jan 27, 2006 11:16:37 GMT -5
They are NOT OF GOD. They are children of the devil.
1 John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
1 Peter 5:8, 9 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world.
They are prowling around seeking those to devour.
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Post by Easy Answer on Jan 27, 2006 11:17:42 GMT -5
"They" being those among the F & W who believe they are of God but are truly of Satan.
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Post by marjorie on Jan 28, 2006 9:44:53 GMT -5
Steve. When i attempted to answer you post, an URL came up telling me that I had to click on something to get an acknowledgement frrom you to clear my post. When I went there, it said, that I either was already cleared or the post was rejected. It appears to have been send according to my sent file. Could you post me again and tell me if you recieved it or not? Thanks. Love Marge
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Post by Peter on Jan 28, 2006 12:51:48 GMT -5
Marj: I was told that Steve B. doesn't watch the boards or internet...
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Post by Peter on Jan 30, 2006 9:04:16 GMT -5
So where are Gary & Steve right now? And where are they headed? Who WAS Steve's overseer?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2006 9:32:14 GMT -5
Seems to me he was in Kansas last and so that overseer, lead worker, whatever, would have been Ron Thomke. Very hard person to get to know and converse with unless you are one of his favorites.
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Post by Whats New on Feb 10, 2006 12:11:38 GMT -5
Any new developments on Steve B or Gary Johnson? Where are they now? What are they doing?
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Feb 10, 2006 12:37:15 GMT -5
Any new developments on Steve B or Gary Johnson? Where are they now? What are they doing? Is that the Gary Johnson that was in Wyoming under the Montana staff?
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Post by Peter on Feb 10, 2006 14:00:52 GMT -5
Nah - this Gary J is a recently divorced (or in the process one) teacher and is from OZ.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Feb 10, 2006 14:18:06 GMT -5
Nah - this Gary J is a recently divorced (or in the process one) teacher and is from OZ. Thanks for the answer.
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Post by laughing on Feb 10, 2006 14:22:57 GMT -5
Any new developments on Steve B or Gary Johnson? Where are they now? What are they doing? Heard Gary had his ticket back home. Should be leaving real soon..
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Post by Doris on Feb 11, 2006 12:21:14 GMT -5
Gary Johnston left for Victoria, AU on Feb 7. Plans to return in April.
Steve is just hanging out til Gary gets back. WHY? ...don't know AND THEN....what??? ...don't know that either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2006 14:00:14 GMT -5
Are these to comanion workers? Gary and Steve or what
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Post by happy on Feb 11, 2006 16:24:15 GMT -5
I heard, from a very reliable source, that these two are a bit on the wild side. They are into new age and Reiki. They are heavy into angels and know angels by name. (Not just the common ones.) One believes himself to be a holy prophet and has direct contact with God. God has even revealed his "real" name to him. While I haven't met these men, it sounds pretty spooky to me. I hear one is looking for a place to stay in the southwestern US. I hope vulnerable exes will beware if this is as funky as it sounded like when relayed to me.
This sounds vaguely familiar to something that was going on in the western states a few years ago, doesn't it? Does anyone else remember that? I think then (in the 90s) it centered in Montana??? but involved people in many western states(innies). I just heard bits and sketches, just like this time.
Happy
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Feb 11, 2006 16:42:34 GMT -5
I would doubt the reliable source unless the source was a direct conversation with Steve and/or Gary that has been related here accurately.
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Post by ozelaine on Feb 11, 2006 18:34:39 GMT -5
Happy is right, but I wasn't going to say anything because I am very good friends with people here who have had direct contact with Steve. What she says is exactly what I also heard directly from the people who he met here in Victoria.
I don't like getting into these personal topics but felt maybe I needed to after hearing what Happy said.
Gary used to live a few miles from me.
Yes people, please beware.
As I can now log in again people are welcome to PM me if they want further information.
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Post by Say What on Feb 11, 2006 18:48:46 GMT -5
What is "Reiki"? I thought (from the earlier posts) that Steve and Gary will supposed to be doing something to help iron out the problems in Alberta??? And are you saying friends who are "innies" are into knowing angels by names???
(And I thought the trinity issue was a big difference between some areas!!!)
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Post by Ex Ex on Feb 11, 2006 19:02:37 GMT -5
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Post by happy on Feb 11, 2006 19:06:15 GMT -5
No, I'm not saying innies are calling on angels.
The innies I was referring to was the group from a decade ago. They didn't do the angel or healing thing, that I knew of, but they did feel they had special powers from God.
Thanks, Ozelaine. While I think it is important that we don't condemn anyone, I think it fair to warn each other of things that flash red lights for us. New age religion does some major flashing of lights for me.
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