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Post by emy on Aug 19, 2017 23:18:42 GMT -5
Has anyone else heard this version of the Steve story:
Steve had sleep problems for years. At one point he took a leave from the work and stayed with a friend for some weeks, hoping that would improve his sleeping disability. (He sent out a letter to some elders, but I don't recall any mention of depression. This was some time after his brother's death.) Later he returned to the state he left and stayed with other friends. He also attended preps.
I believe the above is factual. The following is only what I have "heard." At those preps, when the speaking list came out and he was not on it, he left abruptly. Other than what has been passed through the grapevine, allegedly through Steve, that is the extent of my info.
My opinion that he is a gentle, caring man is unchanged.
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Post by fixit on Aug 20, 2017 2:57:51 GMT -5
Has anyone else heard this version of the Steve story: Steve had sleep problems for years. At one point he took a leave from the work and stayed with a friend for some weeks, hoping that would improve his sleeping disability. (He sent out a letter to some elders, but I don't recall any mention of depression. This was some time after his brother's death.) Later he returned to the state he left and stayed with other friends. He also attended preps. I believe the above is factual. The following is only what I have "heard." At those preps, when the speaking list came out and he was not on it, he left abruptly. Other than what has been passed through the grapevine, allegedly through Steve, that is the extent of my info. My opinion that he is a gentle, caring man is unchanged. Not the speaking list.... I understand it was the list for next year's field that he was left off of. A worker with depression might feel uncomfortable about broadcasting his illness. Why don't you email Steve?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 20, 2017 12:26:05 GMT -5
Has anyone else heard this version of the Steve story: Steve had sleep problems for years. At one point he took a leave from the work and stayed with a friend for some weeks, hoping that would improve his sleeping disability. (He sent out a letter to some elders, but I don't recall any mention of depression. This was some time after his brother's death.) Later he returned to the state he left and stayed with other friends. He also attended preps. I believe the above is factual. The following is only what I have "heard." At those preps, when the speaking list came out and he was not on it, he left abruptly. Other than what has been passed through the grapevine, allegedly through Steve, that is the extent of my info. My opinion that he is a gentle, caring man is unchanged. He was Excommunicated shortly after his brother's death. He was sent to S. Dakota for change of fields and "to doctor" his nerves. He was soon out of the work. I understand it was when list came out which was his start of second year his name was not on the list, not even to say "doctoring". It wasn't long after that he went to Australia to help a friend. He'd already been excommunicated in the US. He couldn't have been in the work for more than 2-3 yes. After Raymond's death.
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Post by emy on Aug 20, 2017 14:06:18 GMT -5
Has anyone else heard this version of the Steve story: Steve had sleep problems for years. At one point he took a leave from the work and stayed with a friend for some weeks, hoping that would improve his sleeping disability. (He sent out a letter to some elders, but I don't recall any mention of depression. This was some time after his brother's death.) Later he returned to the state he left and stayed with other friends. He also attended preps. I believe the above is factual. The following is only what I have "heard." At those preps, when the speaking list came out and he was not on it, he left abruptly. Other than what has been passed through the grapevine, allegedly through Steve, that is the extent of my info. My opinion that he is a gentle, caring man is unchanged. Not the speaking list.... I understand it was the list for next year's field that he was left off of. A worker with depression might feel uncomfortable about broadcasting his illness. Why don't you email Steve? As I said, that part is hearsay. But the state workers' list did not come out at the time of that convention, so it does make sense it was a speaking list. Steve knows how to get in touch if he'd like to set me straight. Probably wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by fixit on Aug 20, 2017 16:31:37 GMT -5
Not the speaking list.... I understand it was the list for next year's field that he was left off of. A worker with depression might feel uncomfortable about broadcasting his illness. Why don't you email Steve? As I said, that part is hearsay. But the state workers' list did not come out at the time of that convention, so it does make sense it was a speaking list. Steve knows how to get in touch if he'd like to set me straight. Probably wouldn't be the first time. The details of how it was done probably don't matter as long as the "hearsay" doesn't propagate a lie. Any notion of Steve leaving voluntarily is a lie. Bottom line is that Steve was ousted from the work and forbidden to attend fellowship meetings.
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Post by Grant on Aug 20, 2017 16:35:37 GMT -5
Why wash forbidden to attend fellowship meetings? What was his charge?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 20, 2017 16:39:44 GMT -5
As I said, that part is hearsay. But the state workers' list did not come out at the time of that convention, so it does make sense it was a speaking list. Steve knows how to get in touch if he'd like to set me straight. Probably wouldn't be the first time. The details of how it was done probably don't matter as long as the "hearsay" doesn't propagate a lie. Any notion of Steve leaving voluntarily is a lie. Bottom line is that Steve was ousted from the work and forbidden to attend fellowship meetings. Im not sure Steve knows all that came about and who was behind it. He was a target in his most vulnerable time and received things he should have never received, if God had been in it, he wouldn't have. Most important is the softness of his heart and mind, his great trust in God
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 20, 2017 16:41:01 GMT -5
Why wash forbidden to attend fellowship meetings? What was his charge? If the real truth was known, ? Nothing of truth.
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Post by openingact34 on Dec 8, 2018 23:38:30 GMT -5
Has anyone else heard this version of the Steve story: Steve had sleep problems for years. At one point he took a leave from the work and stayed with a friend for some weeks, hoping that would improve his sleeping disability. (He sent out a letter to some elders, but I don't recall any mention of depression. This was some time after his brother's death.) Later he returned to the state he left and stayed with other friends. He also attended preps. I believe the above is factual. The following is only what I have "heard." At those preps, when the speaking list came out and he was not on it, he left abruptly. Other than what has been passed through the grapevine, allegedly through Steve, that is the extent of my info. Well, we finally have his side of the story: Excommunication came later...
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Post by Dennis J on Dec 8, 2018 23:57:23 GMT -5
Perhaps as in my situation, the charge against him has changed so many times, even he doesnt know what is currently held against him? Nor does it matter any longer. In any case, I consider him as a “brother in the belief in God.” It is no desire of mine to participate in the human arrogance as seen in this forum, by those asserting God does not exist.
Though I certainly agree with them, I see no sign of HIS existence within them nor their compositions. Thus, I consider them asserting only for themselves and those agreeing with them, certainly not for me nor those believing in God within them despite their humanity, like myself.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 9, 2018 20:34:03 GMT -5
Perhaps as in my situation, the charge against him has changed so many times, even he doesnt know what is currently held against him? Nor does it matter any longer. In any case, I consider him as a “brother in the belief in God.” It is no desire of mine to participate in the human arrogance as seen in this forum, by those asserting God does not exist.
Though I certainly agree with them, I see no sign of HIS existence within them nor their compositions. Thus, I consider them asserting only for themselves and those agreeing with them, certainly not for me nor those believing in God within them despite their humanity, like myself. Reminded me of what was said in the Bible about those not participating in things to help them. Ine places says"they considered themselves unworthy.". Another place says the host of the wedding feast said, "they are unworthy "( talking about those who'd been invited to the wedding feast but when it was prepared and they were notified that the feast was ready, so they should come. But it says they all had reasons they couldn't come. The host said they were unworthy).
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Post by matisse on Dec 10, 2018 9:49:00 GMT -5
Perhaps as in my situation, the charge against him has changed so many times, even he doesnt know what is currently held against him? Nor does it matter any longer. In any case, I consider him as a “brother in the belief in God.” It is no desire of mine to participate in the human arrogance as seen in this forum, by those asserting God does not exist.
Though I certainly agree with them, I see no sign of HIS existence within them nor their compositions. Thus, I consider them asserting only for themselves and those agreeing with them, certainly not for me nor those believing in God within them despite their humanity, like myself. Human arrogance takes many forms, including the arrogance of humans who stand on the arrogance of their particular belief system and the arrogance of its particular scriptures to vilify "others" who believe differently.
It's all human arrogance. All of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 14:46:25 GMT -5
Perhaps as in my situation, the charge against him has changed so many times, even he doesnt know what is currently held against him? Nor does it matter any longer. In any case, I consider him as a “brother in the belief in God.” It is no desire of mine to participate in the human arrogance as seen in this forum, by those asserting God does not exist.
Though I certainly agree with them, I see no sign of HIS existence within them nor their compositions. Thus, I consider them asserting only for themselves and those agreeing with them, certainly not for me nor those believing in God within them despite their humanity, like myself. I’m not sure if you are referring to me here but on the basis that you responded to me twice on the other Steve Blubough thread, each time making the exact same point and neither time addressing anything I had actually written, I thought I should provide some clarification. I do not say (and never have said) that God does not exist. I say, quite clearly, only that the CHRISTIAN God does not exist other than in the minds of those who believe in it. The Christian God is a figment of our imaginations. It is a literary creation. Call it what you like, Jehovah, The Lord, I Am or Yah Weh, what you call it matters not. The Christian God of the bible is a God of man’s creation. The Christian God is a concept that is taught to us. Our belief in it is an accident of birth. It only exists within those who believe in it. That is why it exists in you whilst in me, as in other non-believers, there is absolutely no sign of it. To believe in the Christian God you must believe in the bible. Without a belief in the bible the Christian God is non-existent. It is a creation of the bible. It is solely dependent on the bible. Without the bible there is no Christian God just as without Shakespeare there is no Falstaff, Shylock or Desdemona. Christians argue that the bible is of God but the reality is that the Christian God is of the bible. That’s why no one who has had no access to, or knowledge of, the bible ever believes in the Christian God. Not in pre 4th century Ireland, not in pre 15th century America, not in pre 17th century Australia and not in the modern day on the Sentinelese islands. It’s not so much that the Christian God is dead, it’s that it never was alive. That is not to say that there are no other Gods. That there is no creator God, or no Einstein’s God or no God of Nature. It’s simply to say that there is no Christian God. Of course believers often claim that evidence of a creator God is evidence of the existence of the Christian God (they do this because the actual evidence of the existence for the Christian God is so lacking). It isn’t. It’s merely evidence of a Creator God of which there are many. Just as believers often claim that evidence of nature is evidence of the Christian God (they also do this because the actual evidence of the existence of the Christian God is so lacking). It isn’t. It’s merely evidence of a God of Nature. There is no evidence to support the existence of the Christian God. If there was we would have found it. If the Christian God was real we would have found evidence of a God who can heal all ailments. But we haven’t. If you lose your arm or your leg or your ear or your teeth and you pray earnestly to the Christian God that he will cure you, he will not. Not in any circumstances. Even if your faith is so great that you are willing to leave all behind and go preach without purse and with only one coat and go into all the nations of the world proclaiming, your ailment will still not be cured. Not in a million years. Because the Christian God cannot heal. The Christian God does not cure. A God that exists only in your head cannot heal your ailments no matter now fervently you believe in him. Of course some will claim that their God (the Christian one) really can heal ailments but you will not find a single authenticated example of a healing that has taken place than cannot be explained by other means, more than likely linked to science or nature. Some people get sick and die. Some people get sick and get better. The lottery of life applies. The Christian God plays no part in it. Whether it’s a God who can heal all ailments or a God that is all powerful or a God that loves and cares for every one of us, the evidence for it is simply not there. To believe in the bible and the Christian God you have to ignore both the evidence and reality. You have to believe that a snake can talk and that a donkey can speak in Aramaic. You have to believe that a man who has been dead for three days and decomposing in a grave in a hot climate can suddenly get back up and walk around again. You have to believe that two kangaroos can walk all the way from Australia and meet two polar bears who have walked all the way from the Artic in a boat somewhere in modern day Turkey. You have to believe that a man standing without even waving his arms around can suddenly ascend up and out of the earth’s gravitational field without asphyxiating and that the sandals and tunic he was wearing are still out there floating across the universe somewhere. You have to ignore all the scientific evidence showing the earth is over 4 billion years old and instead blindly accept that it is younger than the Tumulus of Bougon. You have to believe that the female of our species was created following a complex rib operation carried out by a spiritual being who, as I’ve demonstrated above, lacks even the capacity to restore your missing little finger should you be unfortunate enough to lose it in an accident with a lawn mower. Yet at the same time you have to believe that the female of the chimpanzee family was created without such an operation. You have to believe that Jesus, even after 2000 years of showing no signs of reappearing (despite saying he’d be back shortly), is still going to return to Earth. You have to ignore the dinosaur fossil record and come up with some nonsense story to make dinosaurs fit with your belief system in much the same way that one has to explain to a child how a fat man in a red suit can get a large bicycle down a narrow chimney on Christmas Eve while the fire in the hearth is still burning. Let’s face it. Belief in the bible and in the Christian God does not require faith. It requires an acceptance of the absurd. It requires exactly the same sort of mind-set that makes the believer in the God of Islam accept that the prophet Mohammad flew to heaven on a winged horse. It is surely time for all of us now to cast aside these absurdities and overcome our childhood conditioning, a conditioning that has made us believe that the 2x2 church is the Only True Way, that hell is an actual place and that there is a God who watches what we get up to in the bedroom. Matt10
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Post by DrPetros on Dec 10, 2018 14:57:52 GMT -5
Perhaps as in my situation, the charge against him has changed so many times, even he doesnt know what is currently held against him? Nor does it matter any longer. In any case, I consider him as a “brother in the belief in God.” It is no desire of mine to participate in the human arrogance as seen in this forum, by those asserting God does not exist.
Though I certainly agree with them, I see no sign of HIS existence within them nor their compositions. Thus, I consider them asserting only for themselves and those agreeing with them, certainly not for me nor those believing in God within them despite their humanity, like myself. Human arrogance takes many forms, including the arrogance of humans who stand on the arrogance of their particular belief system and the arrogance of its particular scriptures to vilify "others" who believe differently.
It's all human arrogance. All of it.Including the arrogance of those who vilify others for perceived, but untrue, vilification of others on the above bases.
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Post by matisse on Dec 10, 2018 16:05:34 GMT -5
Human arrogance takes many forms, including the arrogance of humans who stand on the arrogance of their particular belief system and the arrogance of its particular scriptures to vilify "others" who believe differently.
It's all human arrogance. All of it. Including the arrogance of those who vilify others for perceived, but untrue, vilification of others on the above bases. DJ has a long history on TMB of vilifying atheists.
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Post by Dennis J on Dec 10, 2018 17:45:56 GMT -5
1. First define “vilifying.”
2. Then find, quote, and identify said example of my “vilifying.”
Acually, I have stated clearly here and elsewhere, if my (not yours) Lord did not condemn non-believers, why should I or anyone else seeking to be one of His disciples? On the other hand there are those who like to put their own spin upon what I believe and have posted. Except to point it out, what else can be done by anyone like myself?
Also, I make every attempt I can to flat out ignore those who appear proud of their non-belief. Yep, agreed, sometimes I fail.
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Post by matisse on Dec 10, 2018 18:35:38 GMT -5
vil·i·fy /ˈviləˌfī/verb verb: vilify; 3rd person present: vilifies; past tense: vilified; past participle: vilified; gerund or present participle: vilifying speak or write about in an abusively disparaging manner. "he has been vilified in the press" synonyms: disparage, denigrate, defame, run down, revile, abuse, speak ill of, criticize, condemn, denounce; More antonyms: commend
Most of the posts you have made on TMB were under Dennis_Jacobsen (or similar) and are no longer searchable. If I remember correctly, you deleted that account (rendering it non-searchable) after making some rather disparaging comments about non-believers that you were then called out on by another TMB member. Maybe someone else can dredge it up.
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Post by Dennis J on Dec 10, 2018 19:11:45 GMT -5
No, ma’am, that is your spin. You obviously have no idea why I left, and as far as I am concerned, that doesn’t matter. Thank you for acknowledging you have no such evidence for your false claim. We both know the real reason for your antagonism against me. Yes, I am willing to leave it in the past, just wanted to remind you of it.
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Post by matisse on Dec 10, 2018 19:47:31 GMT -5
No, ma’am, that is your spin. You obviously have no idea why I left, and as far as I am concerned, that doesn’t matter. It took some time and creative searching to find the thread I remembered. Here is a link to it: Setting a record straight as I know it to be See the above link. It doesn't surprise me that you seem to have little self-awareness on this front. Speak for yourself. I generally ignore you unless you are speaking disparagingly about people who do not share your beliefs.Leave what in the past??? That when I met you as a very little girl I though you were fun, and then years later couldn't "find" anywhere in your TMB posts, the person I remembered?
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