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Post by question on Oct 22, 2007 6:08:12 GMT -5
Whose meeting was Gary's mother attending? Was she influenced by Gary in not going to these meetings?
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Post by Gary watch on Oct 22, 2007 18:23:03 GMT -5
She has been attending a meeting in East Doncaster for a few months after moving from another one. She is a shy person and doesn’t pray or speak in meeting. I don’t know what influence (if any) that Gary has had on her in not attending.
I suspect that she is probably staying home with Gary as he would not want to show his face at a fellowship meeting where one of the hard line senior male worker’s may attend. (I suspect he is deliberately avoiding attending the mission of this worker and travelling further to the sister worker’s mission, where he went prior to becoming a holy prophet).
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Post by hawk on Oct 22, 2007 21:14:57 GMT -5
(I suspect he is deliberately avoiding attending the mission of this worker and travelling further to the sister worker’s mission, where he went prior to becoming a holy prophet). So a person can become a holy prophet at any time? Prophets aren't born as prophets?
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Post by Gospel or Gossip tell on Oct 23, 2007 5:07:08 GMT -5
Act 17:21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 21:05:42 GMT -5
If you do a facebook search, you can find his facebook page.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 11, 2017 9:14:42 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the current situation is with Gary Johnston, Steve Blubaugh, Merv Edmunds etc?
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Post by christiansburg on Aug 12, 2017 10:05:11 GMT -5
He is running around the world trying to insert his ideas into this fellowship. He is one of the leaders of a group of people called the children of the divine light and he is called the holy prophet. This is a new one on me. Typical slander about those who leave the fellowship. Exes have been accused of having started their own church, as not being willing, as having gone bitter, etc.etc, William Irvine was branded as having gone mad and I have heard this said of others and I have even heard of someone who has become a Christian as having become religious, but this latest is a new one to me. Not sure of where he is now but knew that he had been in Australia/maybe New Zealand and was referred to as "The Prophet". Came back to the US more than 10 years ago and maybe was in Kansas his home state. Personally I did not have a good feeling about him when he was at one of our conventions more than 20 years ago. To me it felt like he had a feeling of superiority and a display of arrogance. In his preaching he referred to the congregation as "you people". I wouldn't begin to judge his future only telling you my feeling.
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Post by christiansburg on Aug 12, 2017 10:13:23 GMT -5
I have read some of Steve B. beliefs for two yrs and there is a different kind of ring to it. Time will tell what he is up to. Hi Nathan, Where is it possible to read some of these beliefs?? Did you recieve letters personally or on the internet or??? Like others, I VERY much appreciated him and his message, when he was here for special meetings a few years ago, as did others here. He was a help and encouraging to visit with. What do you mean by "a different kind of ring"? Alvin[/quote] The last time I heard Steve he displayed a spirit of arrogance. This was about 20 years ago. He had definitely changed by my observation.
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Post by nathan on Aug 12, 2017 11:30:25 GMT -5
I have read some of Steve B. beliefs for two yrs and there is a different kind of ring to it. Time will tell what he is up to. Hi Nathan, Where is it possible to read some of these beliefs?? Did you recieve letters personally or on the internet or??? Like others, I VERY much appreciated him and his message, when he was here for special meetings a few years ago, as did others here. He was a help and encouraging to visit with. What do you mean by "a different kind of ring"? **** Nathan: I was on a list mostly workers, ex-workers, and a few friends.... Steve B. Was on that list, and He shared what he thought on things... Some thoughts were good and some were off the mark... I heard good things about Steve B. From different ones through the years. One of the reasons, he left the work because of his belief and teachings were not in line with the rest of the majority of senior workers...
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 12, 2017 17:20:57 GMT -5
I have read some of Steve B. beliefs for two yrs and there is a different kind of ring to it. Time will tell what he is up to. Hi Nathan, Where is it possible to read some of these beliefs?? Did you recieve letters personally or on the internet or??? Like others, I VERY much appreciated him and his message, when he was here for special meetings a few years ago, as did others here. He was a help and encouraging to visit with. What do you mean by "a different kind of ring"? Alvin The last time I heard Steve he displayed a spirit of arrogance. This was about 20 years ago. He had definitely changed by my observation. [/quote] It wasn't quite 20 years ago that Steve and Scott Price were together and had done good gospel mtgs. Down toward the southeast area of Kansas. Steve's brother Raymond died that year while Steve was in that field. If everybody knew the severe trauma if Raymond's death, one could understand any changes(if there were any) Steve and his family went through. Even Scott was affected horribly. My heart bleeds for Steve and the criticisms even some of his professing family put on him. Not one bit of understanding. I strongly suspect the "arrogance" some seem to feel or interpret was and is a wat Steve had to develop to deal with all the grief over Raymond's death as well as the grief many whom he should have been able to trust to be living and supporting of him. He was far more appreciated in Australia and I find that true in many ostracizing of exes or weak profession people in the US. I have to believe it's because Aussies know the history if the church's beginnings and that it's not the only true church, plus they believe in the Trinity where Jesus truly is King of kings, Lord of lords and truly been God's Son before he came to the earth. otherwise, they know that Jesus not the two by twos is the answer to salvation.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 13, 2017 10:33:13 GMT -5
Steve sent me this message through a mutual friend:
If you are in touch with Cherie and are inclined, you could give her my email address: rsb3345@juno.com.
If she is interested in posting my email address on the TMB, she could go ahead and do it.
So Steve is open to being contacted directly.
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Post by emy on Aug 13, 2017 14:10:35 GMT -5
Steve sent me this message through a mutual friend: If you are in touch with Cherie and are inclined, you could give her my email address: rsb3345@juno.com.
If she is interested in posting my email address on the TMB, she could go ahead and do it.
So Steve is open to being contacted directly. Yes, he is and has a number of people in this fellowship on his Facebook page. Still a very gracious man.
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Post by slowtosee on Aug 13, 2017 15:00:17 GMT -5
Interestingly, we also were "credited" with the motive of starting our own church . There was supposedly, even a certain "quota" of people we were aiming to take with us from the f&w church on a yearly basis. Kinda forgot lots of that stuff , but your post triggered some memories. Thankfully, a lot of that "garbage" is in the past , and glad for some good connections and friends in the group, who also recognize the craze that it was. Alvin
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Post by slowtosee on Aug 13, 2017 15:04:24 GMT -5
Steve sent me this message through a mutual friend: If you are in touch with Cherie and are inclined, you could give her my email address: rsb3345@juno.com.
If she is interested in posting my email address on the TMB, she could go ahead and do it.
So Steve is open to being contacted directly. Yes, he is and has a number of people in this fellowship on his Facebook page. Still a very gracious man. Emy, thanks so much for your sharing of steve being a gracious man. That is absolutely what stands out to me also is his graciousness. Takes a big man to have faced what he has and still be gracious. He has my respect and well wishes. Alvin Kroeker
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 15:16:50 GMT -5
When TS excommunicated me, he lied directly to my parents, friends and other workers. At that time, knowing anyone who spoke up for me would also receive the same treatment, I wanted none to experience what I was going through! There was nowhere to go nor none to turn to for any emotional support that I knew of then. As my wife and children were still "professing" and I still believed the "false", it took five years for all of us to be set free.
Workers and their sycophants spread the lies that I was responsible for my wife and children's leaving. Also that I was accountable for some of the friends leaving, as I was beginning my own church also. What blatant lies!
Later when we met the one mentioned here, it was my perception he was a very kind and humble man, of the sort I had once thought all workers were. I cannot merely stand by now and let him and his personality be slandered in this forum, without putting up a few words in his defense, and my admiration for who and what I know him to be.
It is a common trait of the cult of 2&2 workers and their sycophants to discredit any of us once in their cult in any way they can, speaking from my own knowledge and experience.
Katie has gone to her fellowship group. Being just out of the hospital again myself, not strong enough to go with her.
At the time I was falsely accused and "forbidden to attend meetings" those decades ago, I expressed I would go to my grave declaring my innocence in those matters. People did not believe me, many choosing to believe I have a wicked spirit. Some even making that claim here for relating now as I do, while those accusations have changed, proving to me how dishonest they originally were.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 13, 2017 21:06:26 GMT -5
Yes, he is and has a number of people in this fellowship on his Facebook page. Still a very gracious man. Emy, thanks so much for your sharing of steve being a gracious man. That is absolutely what stands out to me also is his graciousness. Takes a big man to have faced what he has and still be gracious. He has my respect and well wishes. Alvin Kroeker Reminded of what William Lewis said. That we'd be surprised at who we see in heaven and more surprised at who we don't see. Kinda like Jesus said in his day, those who were righteous didn't need him, but those who were suck and weak discouraged jnew they needed him. Indeed, Steve has been and is very gracious. His preaching of salvation by grace certainly created him a volatile storm. But since the worker who assured ged be thrust out completely us who he is, there's a lot more to it. I can say I've been condemned myself recent days for not believing as the two by twos do. But after realizing as Steve realises you can't go back after having the real truth revealed to you. I know because I believe in the trinity concept that I wouldn't be welcomed in the fellowship. But if we're to get to know him in a very personal level, seems we would have to understand who he was and is, wouldn't we?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 13, 2017 23:39:26 GMT -5
Steve sent me this message through a mutual friend: If you are in touch with Cherie and are inclined, you could give her my email address: rsb3345@juno.com.
If she is interested in posting my email address on the TMB, she could go ahead and do it.
So Steve is open to being contacted directly. If you haven't yet Cherie, it is worth having a good chat or 20 with him. His knowledge of the history and inner workings of the "truth" is fascinating. His life would be one worth a biography in my estimation. Indeed, he is so understanding and truly gracious. No hardness, bitterness, or anger. As he said God helps us with those kinds d of things and keeps us. I agree, his biography would be very instructive in maintenance of faith and trust in God in the worst if times and experiences. My sis spoke to me about my trials of pestilence. She couldn't see that it was God's idea,or way. I reminded her of Job. Job trusted God so much he even said, "Even though he slay me, I will trust in him.". Job recognized God has the right to slay us but that shouldn't affect our trust in him. It's not easy to be that trusting when looking the same tribulation over and over again for past four years. But I'm aware God's given me strength to endure when my own strength was gone.
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Post by emy on Aug 14, 2017 13:25:18 GMT -5
... His life would be one worth a biography in my estimation. I'd prefer to see an autobiography!
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Post by snow on Aug 14, 2017 15:03:53 GMT -5
Emy, thanks so much for your sharing of steve being a gracious man. That is absolutely what stands out to me also is his graciousness. Takes a big man to have faced what he has and still be gracious. He has my respect and well wishes. Alvin Kroeker Reminded of what William Lewis said. That we'd be surprised at who we see in heaven and more surprised at who we don't see. Kinda like Jesus said in his day, those who were righteous didn't need him, but those who were suck and weak discouraged jnew they needed him. Indeed, Steve has been and is very gracious. His preaching of salvation by grace certainly created him a volatile storm. But since the worker who assured ged be thrust out completely us who he is, there's a lot more to it. I can say I've been condemned myself recent days for not believing as the two by twos do. But after realizing as Steve realises you can't go back after having the real truth revealed to you. I know because I believe in the trinity concept that I wouldn't be welcomed in the fellowship. But if we're to get to know him in a very personal level, seems we would have to understand who he was and is, wouldn't we? I feel exactly the same way. Once you go through that door of truth there is no turning back.
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Post by fixit on Aug 14, 2017 16:02:55 GMT -5
I know because I believe in the trinity concept that I wouldn't be welcomed in the fellowship. But if we're to get to know him in a very personal level, seems we would have to understand who he was and is, wouldn't we? It works for Nathan. However I doubt that understanding man's theory about him is helpful "to get to know him in a very personal level."
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 14, 2017 17:39:00 GMT -5
I know because I believe in the trinity concept that I wouldn't be welcomed in the fellowship. But if we're to get to know him in a very personal level, seems we would have to understand who he was and is, wouldn't we? It works for Nathan. However I doubt that understanding man's theory about him is helpful "to get to know him in a very personal level." Well, John the Apostle was Jesus' cousin, one of the chosen Apostles, and the Apostle whom Jesus loved as well as the friend of the Bridegroom. He didn't couch the term "trinity" but he didn't couch the term "bible" though he sure did say "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Paul wrote to Timothy, "And without controversy great is the 'MYSTERY' of godliness:. God was manifest in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen if angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." The bible doesn't sustain apostolic succession but the Catholics AND the two by twos sure think or believe in it. Now if two by twos need to denounce beliefs or tenets if religions because the Catholics hold them fast, then the two bys twosneed to be consistent and fight against the apostolic tenet as fervently if not more so then they do the trinity in their false understanding that the Trinity is,a Catholic doctrine alone. Trinity was couched by second generation of Christians not Catholics. But as to the apostolic succession the reason Catholic AND Two by Twos hold tight to that is pride and power.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 14, 2017 17:49:11 GMT -5
Steve drops by our house every month or so. Wonderful man. He preached the gospel of grace, which is different from the 2x2 "works to be worthy" version. This was the reason the worker who sacked him told the friends he had been let go at least. I remember people loved to listen to Steve. He spoke a different message: the actual gospel. He still works because he can't qualify for retirement yet, having given most of his years in the "work". As far as I am aware, he was given NOTHING from the workers in way of pension. But I would expect nothing less from that lot of "true servants". He has some very good things to say of many of the friends and workers. Amusingly, when we left, a rumor was started that my wife and I had started a false church. I asked Steve how to go about such a thing, since he was supposed to have had many followers (jokingly of course). He told me if I met any of his "followers" to let him know, so he could tell them to cut it out! . Strange, how eager those in the "truth" are to spread a lie. I found out first hand as well. I've had to lower my standards considerably when I interact with them. We gave him our "Secret Sect" to read. Now the instructions George Walker gave him to not discuss the origins make sense to him at least. When lots of us left in Sydney, the minister who spent hours upon hours with us all reading and discussing the Scriptures was cast as some kind of Pied Piper which was very amusing - just a real humble man who was Godly and upheld God's Word and taught it well. Some of the friends tried to find dirt on him - we heard some of what the workers and friends said and it was quite nasty. And because those who attended the church had weekly Bible Studies in various homes the rumour was spread that the church had just introduced this and taken it from the 2x2's. It was all too funny - the church building we attended was built in about 1875 or something - around 22 or so years before William Irvine came along and founded the 2x2 church! Bible studies in various homes had been around for that long..... I cannot understand why the devotd 2x2s need to say untruths and dirty thoughts and words about people that left the fellowship or anyone who they develop some kind if relation with. Do they not realize what happens to them when they do that? How can God live us when we act so unloving to others? I remember back in my days at home and all the mean mouthing I heard about this or that per son. I thought then just how can that be right. Bible says good and bad words come out of the same mouth and it shouldn't be so. My sister got very sarcastic and emotionally abusive as if that would force me back into the fellowship. I finally told that all the two by twos would not save me not save her. That it is Jesus alone who saves us.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 14, 2017 18:08:13 GMT -5
I know because I believe in the trinity concept that I wouldn't be welcomed in the fellowship. But if we're to get to know him in a very personal level, seems we would have to understand who he was and is, wouldn't we? It works for Nathan. However I doubt that understanding man's theory about him is helpful "to get to know him in a very personal level." If we're to really know Jesus, we must beopen to learning all we can about him. The picture Jesus painted when he told about those who came to Jesus and said Haven't we fed the poor, given to charity etc? He said Depart, I never knew you. Those who worked so hard to buy their salvation with all the right deeds are never saved even from the first. Though they "believe" in Jesus. The demons even believe in him. But Jesus went on to speak of those whom he told that they'd fed the poor etc and that though they'd done it for others it was done for him. Their answer? "When...? " They didn't do it for buying salvation but had done the very same deeds the first folks did but it was what was in their heart what counted. Tgwy had not kept a tally sheet so they could remind him just how good and great they'd been, but actually had forgotten the deeds because they were done with the love for Jesus reigning in their hearts. They had no intention to "buy" their salvation. Their intent was to show the same love Jesus has for them to others. These people are saved by Jesus.
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Post by fixit on Aug 14, 2017 18:46:23 GMT -5
It works for Nathan. However I doubt that understanding man's theory about him is helpful "to get to know him in a very personal level." Well, John the Apostle was Jesus' cousin, one of the chosen Apostles, and the Apostle whom Jesus loved as well as the friend of the Bridegroom. He didn't couch the term "trinity" but he didn't couch the term "bible" though he sure did say "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Paul wrote to Timothy, "And without controversy great is the 'MYSTERY' of godliness:. God was manifest in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen if angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." Scripture like you've quoted can be explained in a non-trinitarian way but I don't feel inclined to enter into trinitarian discussion here.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 14, 2017 19:05:21 GMT -5
Yes, let's not hijack the thread from the original subject
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 14, 2017 20:56:24 GMT -5
I cannot understand why the devotd 2x2s need to say untruths and dirty thoughts and words about people that left the fellowship or anyone who they develop some kind if relation with. Do they not realize what happens to them when they do that? How can God live us when we act so unloving to others? I remember back in my days at home and all the mean mouthing I heard about this or that person. I thought then just how can that be right. Bible says good and bad words come out of the same mouth and it shouldn't be so. My sister got very sarcastic and emotionally abusive as if that would force me back into the fellowship. I finally told that all the two by twos would not save me not save her. That it is Jesus alone who saves us. It happens when a person leaves a religious group like those of us who called ourselves the *TRUTH,* as we did, and believes that we are the only ones who are in the right way.
There is a psychological need for the group to have some reason why the person left other than it being something wrong in the system
Since they can't believe that is because something is wrong with their belief system, -they make excuses (and really believe them BTW) such as "they never really understood," -"they just wanted the things of the world," -all problems with the person that left and never with the system.
They can't believe it is in any way something wrong with their doctrine. They MUST believe that in order to not have their own belief start to crumble.
BUT, the same thing happens in all of Christianity itself when someone leaves!
They see it as an attack.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 14, 2017 23:49:44 GMT -5
I remember when Steve was exed - or rather, I don't, because his name was not mentioned and it wasnt talked about openly. The old "false church" bit is such an easy one for them - since everyone else is false, it requires no examination of beliefs, and no further explanation. There are others, top of them being "stopped praying", "got offended" and "seduced by the lusts of the world" are popular, since they put the leaver outside God's will by definition, and require no further inquiry. There's also the warning about people "taking us out", which prevents concerned friends from contacting or discussing. The idea that people leave for ethical or doctrinal reasons is a complete non sequitor for those who buy the message. We've talked to some folks in a different church who know the Steve Blubaugh for himself, without knowing his ties to the F&W. They absolutely love him. They also know virtually nothing about the F&W, which tells me Steve is not mentioning them much, and not talking badly about them. We've appreciated getting to know the real Steve - he's gold to us. If anyone is showing the right godly spirit, it's Steve. He of all people have a real reason to hate or be angry but I don't get it that he is either.
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Post by fixit on Aug 15, 2017 5:07:16 GMT -5
We've talked to some folks in a different church who know the Steve Blubaugh for himself, without knowing his ties to the F&W. They absolutely love him. They also know virtually nothing about the F&W, which tells me Steve is not mentioning them much, and not talking badly about them. We've appreciated getting to know the real Steve - he's gold to us. Matthew 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
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