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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 15, 2017 8:01:17 GMT -5
We've talked to some folks in a different church who know the Steve Blubaugh for himself, without knowing his ties to the F&W. They absolutely love him. They also know virtually nothing about the F&W, which tells me Steve is not mentioning them much, and not talking badly about them. We've appreciated getting to know the real Steve - he's gold to us. Matthew 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. Ironically these are the words written to me by a present day overseer. About a week or two later, I read a letter in his own handwriting admitting to multiple affairs, etc. What fruit had he borne in comparison to someone like Steve, who according to overseers and workers judged to be preaching false things? Pitching him out. But has remained godly and quiet in spirit. True by their fruits we will know them!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 15, 2017 9:58:59 GMT -5
If anyone is showing the right godly spirit, it's Steve. He of all people have a real reason to hate or be angry but I don't get it that he is either. He hasn't been with us - wisdom I think. Something I'd do well to learn I suppose. He is real and honest about his experiences, but a "bitter ex" he hasn't been with us (and he could've safely been with us and we'd understand) He has shown to me the very rich value of appealing to God. So I think he's learned what sincere faith and trust in God means. I know I'm learning that as well. It isn't just Jesus who was or is perfected through suffering. Job said "Though he(God) slay me, in him I'll trust...". Job knew that God has the right to slay us. Why? Because God is our creator. All things are his, so by owners rights he can do as he sees fit. That takes a lot of blind faith. Which many cannot attain. A lot of people can't believe what they can't see nor understand.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 15, 2017 23:28:47 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I had a lovely chat to Steve recently. I suppose I was wanting some clarification of what his views now are. That has been cleared up for me.
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2017 10:10:06 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I had a lovely chat to Steve recently. I suppose I was wanting some clarification of what his views now are. That has been cleared up for me. Can you tell us briefly, what Steve B believes these days?
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 16, 2017 10:15:56 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I had a lovely chat to Steve recently. I suppose I was wanting some clarification of what his views now are. That has been cleared up for me. Can you tell us briefly, what Steve B believes these days? Thanks. SB wrote me this week: "...be assured I am well, and happy and totally at peace, by the grace of God - hoping you enjoy the same!"
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2017 10:22:27 GMT -5
Does he still believe Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New T. Way fellowship for all generation. Thanks.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 16, 2017 10:36:51 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I had a lovely chat to Steve recently. I suppose I was wanting some clarification of what his views now are. That has been cleared up for me. Can you tel776l us briefly, what Steve B believes these days? Steve believes in salvation by grace. He believes God helps us when we need him to give us strength and grace to overcome our natural responses to things that hurt or stress us and that we must appeal to God for help and courage in all things. He also is extremely careful about badmouthing even those or that he surely has a right to, in human senses. Steve's growing into pure gold tried by fire.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 16, 2017 10:40:00 GMT -5
If you're questing about two by twos, remember they abused and tossed him out for nefarious reasons. So why would he believe in them? It just secured his belief and trust in our saving Lord and merciful Father. As I've come to believe and trust also only in my beloved Saviour and merciful Father.
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2017 10:44:45 GMT -5
If you're questing about two by twos, remember they abused and tossed him out for nefarious reasons. So why would he believe in them? It just secured his belief and trust in our saving Lord and merciful Father. As I've come to believe and trust also only in my beloved Saviour and merciful Father. Did Steve tell you this himself or you are expressing your own opinion in your post?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 16, 2017 10:47:38 GMT -5
Steve's and my experiences with it undertwo by twos remind me how Saul of Tarsus was so heheart in protecting his perception by teachings at Gamaliel's feet, that even though he was in the wrong group as far as God's Will was concerned, God had a plan to get Saul out if that going the wrong way assailing the NT church and becoming the "great Apostle" for saving the Gentiles by Jesus Christ. Is it not possible that God saw fit to bring about our removal from two by twos because he saw our hearts are fervantly toward our Lord and Master, even by hard means?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 16, 2017 10:56:01 GMT -5
If you're questing about two by twos, remember they abused and tossed him out for nefarious reasons. So why would he believe in them? It just secured his belief and trust in our saving Lord and merciful Father. As I've come to believe and trust also only in my beloved Saviour and merciful Father. Did Steve tell you this himself or you are expressing your own opinion in your post? His testimony, his helpfulness in a matter of recent abuse to me from a devotee.of two by twoism-. His loving graciousness and general decent behavior s toward all mankind. And my opinion from more then that. Nathan, think about it if you were excommunicated for reasons not to do with your behaviors would you still hold on to the group. Jesus wouldn't excommunicate anyone unless they were totally infidels. Steve nor I are infidels by a long shot.
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2017 11:01:19 GMT -5
Did Steve tell you this himself or you are expressing your own opinion in your post? His testimony, his helpfulness in a matter of recent abuse to me from a devotee.of two by twoism-. His loving graciousness and general decent behavior s toward all mankind. And my opinion from more then that. Nathan, think about it if you were excommunicated for reasons not to do with your behaviors would you still hold on to the group. Jesus wouldn't excommunicate anyone unless they were totally infidels. Steve not I are infidels by a long shot. Is Steve B. an ex-2×2 now or is he still professing?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 16, 2017 11:06:27 GMT -5
His testimony, his helpfulness in a matter of recent abuse to me from a devotee.of two by twoism-. His loving graciousness and general decent behavior s toward all mankind. And my opinion from more then that. Nathan, think about it if you were excommunicated for reasons not to do with your behaviors would you still hold on to the group. Jesus wouldn't excommunicate anyone unless they were totally infidels. Steve not I are infidels by a long shot. Is Steve B. an ex-2×2 now or is he still professing? Nathan, I and others told time and again he was "Excommunicated from the two by twos". They say it was because he preached that which we read about in Ephesians 2 salvation by grace. But through the years the REAL truth of his excommunication has been discovered. NO, he is not a two by two, that's what excommunication means.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 16, 2017 11:06:40 GMT -5
Steve is an ex-2x2, ex-worker.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 16, 2017 11:13:16 GMT -5
Steve is an ex-2x2, ex-worker. Thanks, Cherie. But he is very strong in his belief in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. I hope there are those who can come to understand through some of our experiences as ex2x2s, that exiting 2x2ism is not the end of our salvation or our love for our Saviour and God. In fact for many, it's brought about a stronger relationship with him.
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2017 11:15:40 GMT -5
Is Steve B. an ex-2×2 now or is he still professing? Nathan, I and others told time and again he was "Excommunicated from the two by twos". They say it was because he preached that which we read about in Ephesians 2 salvation by grace. But through the years the REAL truth of his excommunication has been discovered. NO, he is not a two by two, that's what excommunication means. I thought they just excommunicated from the ministry only but not the fellowship. Leaving the fellowship was on his own choice. My first yr. In the work 1986-88 Comp. worker Harold B. favorite sub. Preaching Was about the grace of God... He preaches on this subj. Often When he goes on his conventions tours around the world. Howard Mooney our ex-overseer ministry was on the mercy and the grace of God. He didn't just preach it but he lived what he preached.
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Post by fixit on Aug 16, 2017 17:00:21 GMT -5
I thought they just excommunicated from the ministry only but not the fellowship. Leaving the fellowship was on his own choice. This is absolutely not true. It's a lie, and you should retract it Nathan. Steve Blubaugh was excommunicated from the fellowship as well.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 16, 2017 17:14:26 GMT -5
Nathan,
Just get over the fact that you are literally 'flogging a dead horse' when you seek desperate validation for the dysfunctional sect you belong to.
Steve does not belong to it - he was booted out.
He is a grace-believing Christian from what I can tell. He told me himself he is a non-exclusive Christian.
As for the rest of us who have left, the stable door was left open and our horses have bolted!
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2017 17:40:40 GMT -5
I thought they just excommunicated from the ministry only but not the fellowship. Leaving the fellowship was on his own choice. This is absolutely not true. It's a lie, and you should retract it Nathan. Steve Blubaugh was excommunicated from the fellowship as well. hmmmmmm... Are you sure? Excommunicated from the ministry and the fellowship at the same time? Wow! if that was true, then... I would love to hear the overseers side for sure.
Usually, excommunicate from the work, but they still can attend the fellowship meetings.... To excommunicate from the ministry and fellowship at the same time, then that must be really BAD situation, for the overseers to do that.
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2017 17:42:23 GMT -5
Nathan, Just get over the fact that you are literally 'flogging a dead horse' when you seek desperate validation for the dysfunctional sect you belong to. Steve does not belong to it - he was booted out. He is a grace-believing Christian from what I can tell. He told me himself he is a non-exclusive Christian. As for the rest of us who have left, the stable door was left open and our horses have bolted! There is NO perfect church, Al.... Even the 1st century church was far from perfect.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 16, 2017 17:46:37 GMT -5
This is absolutely not true. It's a lie, and you should retract it Nathan. Steve Blubaugh was excommunicated from the fellowship as well. hmmmmmm... Are you sure? Excommunicated from the ministry and the fellowship at the same time? Wow! if that was true, then... I would love to hear the overseers side for sure.
Usually, excommunicate from the work, but they still can attend the fellowship meetings.... To excommunicate from the ministry and fellowship at the same time, then that must be really BAD situation, for the overseers to do that.
Just curious Nate, Would you be interested in hearing Steve's side as well?
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Post by fixit on Aug 16, 2017 17:49:18 GMT -5
This is absolutely not true. It's a lie, and you should retract it Nathan. Steve Blubaugh was excommunicated from the fellowship as well. hmmmmmm... Are you sure? Excommunicated from the ministry and the fellowship at the same time? Wow! if that was true, then... I would love to hear the overseers side for sure.
I am absolutely certain. I heard it from Steve when he stayed in my home. He loved the fellowship but had to abide by the ruling.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 16, 2017 17:52:21 GMT -5
Hmmm - sad really. You may be interested to know, Fixit, that Steve has indicated to myself and others on a FB page that he has now come around to believing in the full Deity of Christ...
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2017 18:08:06 GMT -5
hmmmmmm... Are you sure? Excommunicated from the ministry and the fellowship at the same time? Wow! if that was true, then... I would love to hear the overseers side for sure.
I am absolutely certain. I heard it from Steve when he stayed in my home. He loved the fellowship but had to abide by the ruling. hmmmmm.... If that was true, he was still moving among the friends and with the workers, whom he knew like he wasn't excommunicated at all.
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2017 18:09:44 GMT -5
Hmmm - sad really. You may be interested to know, Fixit, that Steve has indicated to myself and others on a FB page that he has now come around to believing in the full Deity of Christ... There are workers, the friends and myself believe in the Godhead, full Deity of Christ, the Trinity=Triune God, Jesus is God the Son/he is NOT God the Father, Al. We are in the minority but our numbers are growing in the fellowship. Once I expose where the current workers have gotten their anti-trinity came from the West coast overseers in 1970s... It wasn't so when the early workers brought the gospel to America in the early 1900s.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Aug 16, 2017 18:19:38 GMT -5
Nathan - do you know that ex-communication does not mean not associating with people as a normal human being?
Its main meaning is not being able to partake of communion, because you are judged unworthy or a heretic. The Catholic church was really big on this at one time.
It has attracted a broader meaning amongst those of us here and those still in the meetings of being cut off from acceptance by the friends and workers. But no one can stop you visiting your friends.
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Post by fixit on Aug 16, 2017 18:25:57 GMT -5
I am absolutely certain. I heard it from Steve when he stayed in my home. He loved the fellowship but had to abide by the ruling. hmmmmm.... If that was true, he was still moving among the friends and with the workers, whom he knew like he wasn't excommunicated at all.
Steve was banned from attending fellowship meetings.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 16, 2017 18:53:53 GMT -5
hmmmmm.... If that was true, he was still moving among the friends and with the workers, whom he knew like he wasn't excommunicated at all.
Steve was banned from attending fellowship meetings. Steve has been enabled by God to not hold anger or a grudge against those who abused him unrightfully so or those who should have stood up for him and supported him through these years. Not many people could be as forgiving or nonangered. He knows where to go for his help and he knows that God does help and will never turn away from him. He tasted hatred in the two by two system at it's finest it almost it's worst. Though some say murder has been the worst. Many two by twos fail to understand agape.
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