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Post by cat on Jul 16, 2007 14:13:43 GMT -5
Hey all,
I homeschool my children and being able to teach religion was one of the many reasons for my decision. just out of curiosity, does any one know how prevelant homeschooling is in the F&W's?
Christ's Blessings cat
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Post by justamom on Jul 16, 2007 14:22:03 GMT -5
My professing cousin homeschooled her kids for many years.. I am not sure if she is still home schooling the younger ones or not....
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Post by sojourner on Jul 16, 2007 14:27:30 GMT -5
Hello Cat, We've homeschooled for a number of years. There are not many families that home educate their children amongst the meeting people.
Feel free to pm me if you want to chat about homeschooling. Kathy
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Jul 17, 2007 3:24:19 GMT -5
I don't think it's any more common than anywhere else. Everyone I knew growing up in a professing home went to public school. I think public school is good for many reasons,and would always send my child there... but it also has many downsides to it. If you have the time and patience for homeschooling, more power to you...it takes a lot of effort, but I bet the benefits are wonderful as well. Good luck! M.
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Post by guest5 on Jul 17, 2007 8:54:33 GMT -5
The area I live in, the midwest, many meeting people home school their kids. Also, many have now started to send their kids back to public schools. Also, some are sending their kids to a school run by one of the local churches. It is known for discipline, good teachers, etc. plus costs the parents money. And, the workers don't say a thing against this school. Times have changed immensely.
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Post by bradley on Jul 17, 2007 9:08:27 GMT -5
Obviously, all children should be home schooled.
That is, in addition to being schooled in the public or private system as applicable.
There is no reason to not avail one's self and family of every appropriate educational opportunity.
There is precedent for this in the Scriptures. Consider Daniel and his friends. Consider Paul the Apostle.
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Post by Brother Schrock on Jul 17, 2007 10:48:51 GMT -5
I know many families who attend meetings that either have or do homeschool their children. We are one of them.
I have no objection to public schools. In fact, I think I turned out OK going to one. ;D It's just that sending my children to public school means that my wife or I will miss out on spending approximately 17,000 hours with them.
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 17, 2007 14:18:57 GMT -5
Amen.
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Post by Benefits on Jul 17, 2007 14:21:11 GMT -5
I know many families who attend meetings that either have or do homeschool their children. We are one of them. I have no objection to public schools. In fact, I think I turned out OK going to one. ;D It's just that sending my children to public school means that my wife or I will miss out on spending approximately 17,000 hours with them. There many benefits of having other people teach your children. Socialization is one area where I see home schooled children ending up with the short end of the stick. Family interactions are very different from the social interaction with a non-hand picked group of their peers. Being exposed to other ideas is also a benefit in developing a well rounded individual. Your children know what you think but there is a rather high probability that all of your ideas are not correct. The educational level of most parents is not sufficient to cover all courses of study from English grammar to chemistry to geometry to physics. If the content of the posts expressed on this forum is any indication, the home schooled offspring of the posters will be at a definite disadvantage. Just my 9 cents. I would be interested in knowing what people's fears are of a public education?
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Post by cat on Jul 17, 2007 14:49:05 GMT -5
I know many families who attend meetings that either have or do homeschool their children. We are one of them. I have no objection to public schools. In fact, I think I turned out OK going to one. ;D It's just that sending my children to public school means that my wife or I will miss out on spending approximately 17,000 hours with them. There many benefits of having other people teach your children. Socialization is one area where I see home schooled children ending up with the short end of the stick. Family interactions are very different from the social interaction with a non-hand picked group of their peers Socialization isnt an isuue if you live in an area where there is a good homeschool group. And if you have them in extra-curricular activites---and church functions.Being exposed to other ideas is also a benefit in developing a well rounded individual. Your children know what you think but there is a rather high probability that all of your ideas are not correct. Being exposed to other ideas is one reason most people homeschool. They dont like the ideas that are out there. But I agree that there should be a wide variety of what is being offered to the children. That can be done through books, web sites and as I stated above, through extra-curricular activities etc. The educational level of most parents is not sufficient to cover all courses of study from English grammar to chemistry to geometry to physics. If the content of the posts expressed on this forum is any indication, the home schooled offspring of the posters will be at a definite disadvantage. You can always get tutors or most homeschool groups have co-ops where other parents or even teachers are used to teach a group subject. A lot of parents trade subjects
As far as our offsprings being at a disadvantage...my sisters oldest daughter was on the deans list last year at college...all through highschool she was on the deans and honor classes.)sh homeschooled her girls through 8th grade) I know of many children who have gone on to excellant colleges and done very well. I do agree that some people(as in all areas of lfe) dont preform to the best of their abilities. And it can have an adverse outcome. But if its done right...and the majority of the time it is...the kids have no problems-or very few>
Just my 9 cents.
I would be interested in knowing what people's fears are of a public education?I want to thank you all for answering my question!! Christ's Blessings cat
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Post by freeagent on Jul 17, 2007 17:44:57 GMT -5
I have a close friend who is a F&W. She homeschools her daughter. The mom gets totally harrassed by the workers for choosing to homeschool their daughter. Other's in the group really harrass her for her choice to homeschool. Some people in this group are so hostile to those who don't go the status quo.
The daughter used to be public schooled and had many horrible, degrading experiences. She has just blossomed in home schooling. We have a very wonderful homeschool community and the kids are so kind and caring to one another. This has helped this girl to be healed from the emotional scars that were inflicted during her public school years. It's so sad that the F&W aren't happy that this girl is flourishing - they just put negative pressure for her to be conformed to their wishes. Shouldn't they be spending their time being concerned for those children who's parents are neglecting them or for the children who are in harm's way?
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Post by guest5 on Jul 17, 2007 18:34:33 GMT -5
My 2nd post evidently had something wrong as I do not see it but reading the post about the ones being harrassed by workers and friends I can believe. My 2nd post simply said that in the midwest where I am living, the now deceased, hard liner well known old timer, came right out and stated that he despised home schooling, his one reason being that kids have to socialize some with others in this world to learn how to live, act, and hopefully grow into top notch citizens.
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Post by Kathy Lewis on Jul 17, 2007 19:14:48 GMT -5
We started homeschooling our 3rd daughter when she was 7 years old. That was in 1983. She had gone to kindergarten and 1st grade before we ever heard of the idea. She begged me to homeschool her and we finished the rest of her school career at home.
We loved it. But the workers really came down against us. That was the first time we ever realized that there was a hidden agenda. We had assumed the workers would love the idea of homeschooling because the entire time we were growing up the workers had condemned education and higher education.
The workers started preaching against us in gospel meetings, Sunday meetings, and they came to our home and warned us against knowledge. They said knowledge was bad and wisdom was good.
We were baffled until it dawned on us that they were saying wisdom only came from the workers. They didn't want us learning anything without their permission and control.
I tried to explain to them what was happening in the public schools but that didn't matter to them. They didn't like it that we were learning to think for ourselves and having convictions that they didn't control.
Suffice it to say, we learned more from homeschooling than we had learned in our school and college careers. And our family bonded in a way we never had before.
I know homeschooling isn't for everyone. I would have been miserable if I had not been allowed to go to school when I was a child. I don't believe children should be forced to be homeschooled if they hate it. I actually tried to convince our daughter to attend a private school but she loved being taught at home. She learned to play piano, violin and the flute. She became a piano teacher and married a doctor....who also had been homeschooled when he was in grade school.
She has started teaching their 3 year old to read already. The nice thing about that lifestyle is that it produces an attitude of life long learning.
The process of thinking for ourselves is how we finally realized that the workers weren't teaching the Bible, they were using it to coerce people into allowing them into their homes and control their lives. The workers have been deceived even more than the friends have been. I feel sorry for them.
I pray that more professing people begin to read the Bible for themselves and listen to what the Holy Spirit is telling them.
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 17, 2007 19:51:23 GMT -5
Socialization is the biggest point brought up by those who don't homeschool. In the real world, you don't hang out with people who are just your age. In the real world, you hang out with people of all ages. Homeschoolers usually get much of that. Also, most homeschoolers are involved in homeschooling groups or communities (some of these communities offer classes just for homeschoolers, usually for the more complicated subjects). While there are some parents who hide away their children and confine learning to the home, most of us (nowdays) don't. Plus, don't you remember your teachers telling you, "SCHOOL IS NOT A PLACE TO SOCIALIZE! Now get back to work!" Here are some articles to read: www.nhen.org/nhen/pov/editors/default.asp?id=157 (No Thank You, we don't believe in socialization) www.lewrockwell.com/orig/zysk1.html (Homeschooling and the myth of socialization) www.hslda.org/research/ray2003/Socialization.asp (a few statistics here)
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Post by anotherone on Jul 17, 2007 20:13:25 GMT -5
I know many families who attend meetings that either have or do homeschool their children. We are one of them. There many benefits of having other people teach your children. Socialization is one area where I see home schooled children ending up with the short end of the stick. Family interactions are very different from the social interaction with a non-hand picked group of their peers. Being exposed to other ideas is also a benefit in developing a well rounded individual. Your children know what you think but there is a rather high probability that all of your ideas are not correct. The educational level of most parents is not sufficient to cover all courses of study from English grammar to chemistry to geometry to physics. If the content of the posts expressed on this forum is any indication, the home schooled offspring of the posters will be at a definite disadvantage. Just my 9 cents. I would be interested in knowing what people's fears are of a public education? The things you posted are un-researched blather. Use a search engine and read up about home education. There is current, well-designed, well-respected research. The curriculum available is astounding. Our US jails and prisons are full of well socialized public school graduates- thieves, rapists, molesters, politicians and priests. Your 9 cents would be worth more if you were educated about the subject. Read the research, attend a home school support and coop group, learn before you post about things that you have limited experience with. There are families that should not home school and this is for a variety of reasons. Interview some public school teachers, they'll tell you time and time again, they wish parents would be more involved with their children's education rather than handing it off onto the over extended educational system of the USA. Commonly the teachers also wish that a good value system would be taught at home. I don't have anything against the public school, no fears. I know I can do better than what we have locally. The proof is in the success of my children. I would be interested in seeing the data to back up your comments. Homeschooling in the truth has been difficult.
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Post by HSP on Jul 17, 2007 23:26:59 GMT -5
There many benefits of having other people teach your children. There are benefits on both sides. This is a common misconception. I won't break it down for you here as it's been done many times already. Do your research before you post. Google is your friend. This is not a bad thing. Again, do your research before you post. This is why most home-schooling families involve their children in extra-curricular activities such as church groups, church activities, youth organizations, volunteer groups, scouts, art classes, music classes, exercise classes, etc. This is another common misconception. I won't break it down for you here as it's been done many times already. Do your research before you post. Google is your friend. Home-schooling parents, like public-schooling teachers, rely on classwork curriculum. Most home-school curriculum far exceeds the standards of public-school curriculum. If you ever get a chance, compare the two. The difference is really quite astounding. Home-schooling is not for everybody. If it's not for you, don't do it. Try though, to refrain from coming on here and repeating the same old tired criticisms without first educating yourself. If you've been paying any attention at all, you know that with enough people, you'd get quite a list with a request like this. Public education in this country is in need of some serious help. I will speak for myself, though I'm not interested in debate, so if that's why you're here, pick on somebody else. For us it was the quality of the academics, the handling of special needs children (we have a daughter with dyslexia), and the matter of teacher authority in the school (teachers have little authority when it comes to controlling their own classroom).
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 18, 2007 0:19:06 GMT -5
Ha ha ha That's so funny. Kids who are homeschooled dont socialize well. hoooo hooo hooo I think the biggest reason why 2x2s shouldn't homeschool is their kids would turn out like them. After all, to be able to teach, you have to know something. Brad
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Post by _ on Jul 18, 2007 1:21:44 GMT -5
Ha ha ha That's so funny. Kids who are homeschooled dont socialize well. hoooo hooo hooo I think the biggest reason why 2x2s shouldn't homeschool is their kids would turn out like them. After all, to be able to teach, you have to know something. Brad another baseless attack on professing people themselves...
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Post by Brother Schrock on Jul 18, 2007 12:26:51 GMT -5
Ha ha ha That's so funny. Kids who are homeschooled dont socialize well. hoooo hooo hooo I think the biggest reason why 2x2s shouldn't homeschool is their kids would turn out like them. After all, to be able to teach, you have to know something. Brad Brad, You cut a pretty wide swath with a comment like this. I for one, am a non-exclusive homeschooling parent who happens to find fellowship in Sunday AM meetings, and who want's to be fully involved in what my children learn. Our decision to homeschool was one made after much prayer on the matter. I hope by spending time with my children thru their education, I can instill godly principles in their lives that will show themselves in practical application. Is that so wrong?
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Post by Brother Schrock on Jul 18, 2007 12:38:59 GMT -5
Socialization is the biggest point brought up by those who don't homeschool. In the real world, you don't hang out with people who are just your age. In the real world, you hang out with people of all ages. Homeschoolers usually get much of that. Also, most homeschoolers are involved in homeschooling groups or communities (some of these communities offer classes just for homeschoolers, usually for the more complicated subjects). While there are some parents who hide away their children and confine learning to the home, most of us (nowdays) don't. Plus, don't you remember your teachers telling you, "SCHOOL IS NOT A PLACE TO SOCIALIZE! Now get back to work!" Here are some articles to read: www.nhen.org/nhen/pov/editors/default.asp?id=157 (No Thank You, we don't believe in socialization) www.lewrockwell.com/orig/zysk1.html (Homeschooling and the myth of socialization) www.hslda.org/research/ray2003/Socialization.asp (a few statistics here) Ah yes...socialization.....the age-old myth. Thanks, Withopeneyes, for helping to dispell it. One of the potential pitfalls of public schooling is age segregation, where third grades only socialize with third graders, etc. Here's a question to anyone who was public schooled and had younger siblings. Were they cool to be around when you were with your same age peers? I know how I treated my younger sibling and was treated by my older siblings in this situation. In my observation and experience, in the absence of age segregation, families conduct themselves as units. My daughter can assimilate and interact with an 80 year old just as well as a two year old and is just as happy in either ones company. Other things I like about homeschooling.....If a child is gifted, they aren't held back by having to teach to the lowest denominator. If they are they lowest denominator, they will get the individual attention they need to learn something.
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Post by UPLATE on Jul 31, 2007 2:01:51 GMT -5
So sad how our public schools are such crap now for all the $$$ we pump into them!!!!
Anybody know if it's still illegal in Mississippi to teach public school kids about fractions, decimals, and percentages? Are any of the teachers there nuts enough to follow the law?
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Post by freespirit on Jul 31, 2007 8:54:48 GMT -5
There are a number of families here who choose to homeschool their kids. I don't know if the f&w give them grief over it or not. There are advantages and disadvantages to both ways. I considered doing it, but it wasn't the right choice for us. My home-schooling friends are a lot of fun though because they get out and go to the library, museums, zoos a lot and we join them during summers and holidays. We are friends because they don't shove homeschooling off on me and I don't shove public school off on them. Actually, we very much kindreds and we discuss mom-issues a lot. I think she's doing a fabulous job with the home-schooling thing. This is another area where people seem to take sides with rather than looking at the options and choosing the best path for themselves AND respecting other people's choices. I find the exclusive home-schoolers as frustrating as the exclusive public schoolers. I was sent to private school myself and caught all sorts of grief from my family about choosing public school. It's like MY choice somehow slapped THEIR choice in the face. It wasn't like that though. We live in a different place, my kid is just a different human than me. It's all unique and individual and I gathered a lot of information (checked out a bunch of different options) and said a lot of prayers before making the decision about what to do. I don't know what the workers think about homeschooling. IMO, any advice on child raising given by someone who is CHILDLESS needs to be taken with a cup of salt. It's not that they don't ever offer good advice--but it's just one opinion--and shouldn't take the council from other sourses and PRAYER. Lots of prayer. kudos on your decision--sounds like you are doing great. If at some point in the future, it doesn't work out, you can always go back to public school. But, with all the help and resources these days, homeschooling is becoming more and more popular. peace to all, freespirit
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Post by no name on Jul 31, 2007 12:46:57 GMT -5
This is one of the most frequently mentioned issues. It also happens to be the most misunderstood.
I think other posters have done a good job of clearing up this widely-held misconception of a "socialization" problem with homeschooling.
I know of a few homeschooling families who go to meetings (myself included), but I would not venture to say that it is more prevalent among those who go to meetings than with any other demographic.
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Post by Under the carpet on Jul 31, 2007 14:33:53 GMT -5
This is one of the most frequently mentioned issues. It also happens to be the most misunderstood. I think other posters have done a good job of clearing up this widely-held misconception of a "socialization" problem with homeschooling. Socalization is a problem and even sites like www.home-schooling-and-homeschool.info/Problems_with_Home_Schooling.html are willing to address it and suggest solutions. The group here is willing to just dismiss it. \ One of the problems with mentioning 'Home Schooling" is that it is used to home schooling as well as group schooling that is carried on as regular education outside of the public system. In many groups there are hired professionals that teach many subjects. This is a far cry from true home schooling. While there is socialization within the group it is socialization with a select group of people all having similar beliefs. As the home-school site above pointed out, some children do have difficulties when they integrate back into non-select systems. The same set of problems become apparent when people from closed communities (Amish) leave and become part of society at large - there is a period of readjustment.
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Post by no name on Jul 31, 2007 14:52:02 GMT -5
Socalization is a problem It's not the problem that many people think it is. If one wants to lock themselves away from any outside influence, then it could be a problem. But this isn't the case with most HS'ing families. So yes, the socialization issue is very much a misconception. I think the biggest reason why 2x2s shouldn't homeschool is their kids would turn out like them. After all, to be able to teach, you have to know something. Brad Wow, what a large load of ape doo-doo the above comment is. And for good measure, here's my own smiley:
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Post by to clueless on Jul 31, 2007 15:52:35 GMT -5
Socalization is a problem Well if you want to get technical, socialization is a problem in all schooling. There are always those outside the norm. Home School, Private School, Public School - it doesn't matter - some children have difficulty joining society. If socialization is your primary concern, you might want to look at public schools. Socialization there is getting kind of scary in some areas. The only thing said with regard to socialization on the page you provided is this: "A home schooling child may need go on excursions or travel more than usual. This stems from being at home most of the time for home schooling. The child needs to get out and have interaction with other kids and adults." This is not a problem, it's a fact of life. Home school parents need to make an effort in this area just as public school parents need to make an effort in talking to their kids about and watching for signs of the negative aspects of peer pressure (substance abuse, inappropriate sexual activities, etc.) Yes. Address it and provide a solution. That's the way it's supposed to work. Note the solution is NOT "don't home school". Yet the matter of socialization is often brought up as a reason not to home school. This notion is bogus. Whatever path the parents choose, there will be problems. These problems have solutions. If you're reading, you're not comprehending. The group here is not "dismissing it". Many are providing examples of the solutions (activities that allow the children to interact with others). This is called cooperative schooling. There is a difference. This thread is about homeschooling. There is no "group" in homeschooling. There is the family and then the social network outside the family. Yes, the social network may be a bit narrower (based on the choice of the parent (shame on them for wanting that level of control (maybe that's what you don't like))) than that of the public school, but you'll have have to excuse the home-schooled 2nd graders for not knowing what a blow job is. Some children have trouble entering society regardless of their educational background. You can't pin this on home schooling exclusively. Well heaven forbid someone would have to adjust to something. Life is about adjustment. This isn't a perfect world. You can't teach everything. You can't prepare for everything.
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Post by Saddened on Jul 31, 2007 20:02:46 GMT -5
I presented material from a home schooling site that was pointing out some of the possible pitfalls of home school. The knee-jerk response to the post was, in my opinion, uncalled for. socialization is a problem And that is exactly the point. They have trouble joining society. Younger children can usually make the transition more easily than children that have been kept in a different social situation and then introduced into a public system in the midst of adolescence. It is not the socialization that I was commenting on but the effect it has on children who have been raised separated from their peer group. The site was a home schooling site. Of course they would not suggest not home schooling. I posted it because people like you refuse to even acknowledge there can be difficulties caused by raising children isolated from their peers. As far as peer pressure - this is also a learned skill. For example, for some sheltered adolescents leaving the home for college is the non-Amish equivalent of rumspiga. Occasional field trips is not the same as spending time away from family members and having to function on your own. It also mistakenly called homeschooling by some. True, but there was discussion about home schooling groups and the use of tutors to teach children. You can also excuse the home schooled 8th graders as well. Yes they do. Would you say home schooling makes it easier? Nope, you can't.
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Post by no name on Jul 31, 2007 21:12:27 GMT -5
I presented material from a home schooling site that was pointing out some of the possible pitfalls of home school. The knee-jerk response to the post was, in my opinion, uncalled for. It doesn't read like a knee-jerk response; you, on the other hand, appear to be speaking without firsthand experience. Homeschoolers know more about this issue than you can even begin to completely understand. If anything, it is your viewpoints that seem knee-jerk - since they parrot the same misguided mantra that most HS'ing families have heard for years.
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