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Post by nathan on Jan 30, 2020 19:49:30 GMT -5
joanna Chinese and other Asians eat dogs, and when we come to understand that there is no difference between a sheep, a cow, a dog or a human being, we also prove we can be healthy without eating other animals. After a 2x2 Sunday morning meeting, one of my children (when very young as we were soon to be ex 2x2) asked "why the people talk about Jesus being like a sheep then they eat lambs for dinner?" Sometimes children are the most insightful and best teachers. nathan . It comes down to Empathy Nathan. If we identify that someone has a nature akin to a sheep and is thus willingly led to the slaughter without murmuring - then we have identified that sheep are gentle and easily led. For the Christian to have reconciled that both Jesus and sheep had / have a gentle and willing nature, and to then consume the flesh of these gentle sheep reveals cognitive dissonance. If you do not know what sheep experience when bred for human consumption, you may choose to learn from Sheep Cruelty ** In Acts 10 when God told Peter rise up and eat all sorts of animals meat the Jews were NOT to consume/eat. Paul wrote we can eat anything foods/animals with thanksgiving to God who created these animals for us to consume.
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Post by joanna on Jan 30, 2020 19:56:51 GMT -5
nathanYes, I know what the bible recommends and how it feeds the human ego to acquire dominance over other animals by convincing the gullible that "a soul" is a real entity. Fact is that humans are also animals. By creating the false dichotomy between humans and other sentient beings, the bible validates exploitation and cruelty towards the vulnerable. This is not compassion or kindness.
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Post by nathan on Jan 30, 2020 20:14:36 GMT -5
nathanYes, I know what the bible recommends and how it feeds the human ego to acquire dominance over other animals by convincing the gullible that "a soul" is a real entity. Fact is that humans are also animals. By creating the false dichotomy between humans and other sentient beings, the bible validates exploitation and cruelty towards the vulnerable. This is not compassion or kindness. ** God creates Man in His IMAGE! But because of Adam and Eve disobedience and sins they became mortals beings like the animals but with souls. The animals do not have souls so, after death that is the END for them, their bodies go back to the dust then that it. However, the mortals humans after death, their bodies go back to the dust that Christ created them from, their souls either go to Hades/inner earth the realm of the dead to wait there for the judgment day standing before God and Christ. The believers souls will go to be with Christ/Jesus in heaven waiting for the day they will receive the NEW resurrection bodies to RULE with Christ when He sets up His ETERNAL kingdom at His Second Coming.
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Post by xna on Jan 30, 2020 20:48:55 GMT -5
The animals do not have souls so, after death that is the END for them, their bodies go back to the dust then that it. Last I checked humans are still animals. About 99% of our DNA is the same as chimpanzees, & both share the same end.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 30, 2020 21:49:37 GMT -5
OK, Ram, -but if god really wanted us to be innocent and NOT be "governed by our human nature," -WHY did he put "the tree of the knowledge of good & evil" smack dab in the MIDDLE of the "garden" where we would have to be walking around & seeing every time we moved?
Also if God did NOT want us to be governed by our "human nature," (sexual nature) -just how the hell were we to follow HIS other commandment?
Genesis 9:7 …"God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:..."
Sounds as if God set us up purposely to fail! Firstly, I'm sure that you will agree that eating rice has the ability to reduce one's hunger pangs, at least in part? Hopefully we can reach agreement on this very point and thus having begun a harmonious journey together, we might reach further understandings? God wants us to serve him through our own free will and obedience. He wants our love. This is properly expressed through free will gestures. Proper free will gestures require tests and trials to prove they are indeed what they appear to be. Is our love for God greater than those other things which might attract our attention? When God created man in his own image, in his likeness created he him, it was his desire that man would follow a Godly life, just like God does. We were to be images of the one true God. However, God knew that man would ultimately fail when tested, so he had to provide a redemption plan. God's procreation plan was after man failed. Pre-failure, man fulfilled the criteria that God was looking for, 100% obedience, a condition some scholars reckon laster for up to 100 years. Human nature then had man following the desires of his human nature which had replaced his spiritual nature (ps don't you ever listen to Virgs?). God did not set us up purposely to fail, but knew that we would ultimately. It's been a tough road ever since to get man to seek that original Adamaic condition of living by every word that proceeds out of God's mouth, Just as Jesus told the naughty guy c.2000 years ago when he was tempted. I don't know if I can add much to that? Perhaps Nathan can give you a data download to peruse? Finally, do you agree that during World War II the German armed forces had bases in occupied Europe? If so, then, provided you accept that rice can relieve the symptoms of hunger, we will have enjoyed a journey where we have begun in agreement and ended in agreement, even if the journey in between may be challenging. Often it is how you start and how you finish that makes all the difference and the part in between can be discarded! Ram. Here is the scenario based on your own explanation.
Let's say that you become acquainted with someone who makes this kind of deal with you.
All they want is your "obedience" and "love." They claim all they want is for you is to live a "good life."
They also want you to do it by serving them "through our own free will and obedience." Of course this must be " properly expressed through free will gestures." Your free will gestures will "require tests and trials to prove they are indeed what they appear to be."
And your "love" for this person must also be "greater than anything or anyone which might attract your attention." However, -this person also secretly knew that "you would ultimately fail when tested." However never mind, "they had provide(d) a redemption plan" for you.
But then you find out what that "redemption plan" contained. It means someone has to die a horrible death just to "redeem" your failure! Would you really want to accept such a deal? I mean if you had really tried to lead a "good life" -a life concerned about other people and their welfare, -Ram, could you accept such a deal which would cause someone else to have to die in such a horrible manner?
Ram, You know what I really think? I think you are just joking!
As a slang phrase goes here in the US: "I think that you are just "pulling my leg"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 22:07:39 GMT -5
Firstly, I'm sure that you will agree that eating rice has the ability to reduce one's hunger pangs, at least in part? Hopefully we can reach agreement on this very point and thus having begun a harmonious journey together, we might reach further understandings? God wants us to serve him through our own free will and obedience. He wants our love. This is properly expressed through free will gestures. Proper free will gestures require tests and trials to prove they are indeed what they appear to be. Is our love for God greater than those other things which might attract our attention? When God created man in his own image, in his likeness created he him, it was his desire that man would follow a Godly life, just like God does. We were to be images of the one true God. However, God knew that man would ultimately fail when tested, so he had to provide a redemption plan. God's procreation plan was after man failed. Pre-failure, man fulfilled the criteria that God was looking for, 100% obedience, a condition some scholars reckon laster for up to 100 years. Human nature then had man following the desires of his human nature which had replaced his spiritual nature (ps don't you ever listen to Virgs?). God did not set us up purposely to fail, but knew that we would ultimately. It's been a tough road ever since to get man to seek that original Adamaic condition of living by every word that proceeds out of God's mouth, Just as Jesus told the naughty guy c.2000 years ago when he was tempted. I don't know if I can add much to that? Perhaps Nathan can give you a data download to peruse? Finally, do you agree that during World War II the German armed forces had bases in occupied Europe? If so, then, provided you accept that rice can relieve the symptoms of hunger, we will have enjoyed a journey where we have begun in agreement and ended in agreement, even if the journey in between may be challenging. Often it is how you start and how you finish that makes all the difference and the part in between can be discarded! Ram. Here is the scenario based on your own explanation.
Let's say that you become acquainted with someone who makes this kind of deal with you.
All they want is your "obedience" and "love." They claim all they want is for you is to live a "good life."
They also want you to do it by serving them "through our own free will and obedience." Of course this must be " properly expressed through free will gestures." Your free will gestures will "require tests and trials to prove they are indeed what they appear to be."
And your "love" for this person must also be "greater than anything or anyone which might attract your attention." However, -this person also secretly knew that "you would ultimately fail when tested." However never mind, "they had provide(d) a redemption plan" for you.
But then you find out what that "redemption plan" contained. It means someone has to die a horrible death just to "redeem" your failure! Would you really want to accept such a deal? I mean if you had really tried to lead a "good life" -a life concerned about other people and their welfare, -Ram, could you accept such a deal which would cause someone else to have to die in such a horrible manner?
Ram, You know what I really think? I think you are just joking!
As a slang phrase goes here in the US: "I think that you are just "pulling my leg"
so i take it from your statement above that you wouldn't sacrifice yourself to prevent your children from being physically harmed?
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Post by nathan on Jan 30, 2020 22:13:56 GMT -5
The animals do not have souls so, after death that is the END for them, their bodies go back to the dust then that it. Last I checked humans are still animals. About 99% of our DNA is the same as chimpanzees, & both share the same end. Well, that was after the FALL the humans became mortals humans/being animals die like the rest of animals. Before the FALL We/humans were IMMORTALS Beings created in the image of God the Father, Christ/The LORD God and Holy Spirit! Jesus said Ye are gods.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 30, 2020 22:27:45 GMT -5
Ram. Here is the scenario based on your own explanation.
Let's say that you become acquainted with someone who makes this kind of deal with you.
All they want is your "obedience" and "love." They claim all they want is for you is to live a "good life."
They also want you to do it by serving them "through our own free will and obedience." Of course this must be " properly expressed through free will gestures." Your free will gestures will "require tests and trials to prove they are indeed what they appear to be."
And your "love" for this person must also be "greater than anything or anyone which might attract your attention." However, -this person also secretly knew that "you would ultimately fail when tested." However never mind, "they had provide(d) a redemption plan" for you.
But then you find out what that "redemption plan" contained. It means someone has to die a horrible death just to "redeem" your failure! Would you really want to accept such a deal? I mean if you had really tried to lead a "good life" -a life concerned about other people and their welfare, -Ram, could you accept such a deal which would cause someone else to have to die in such a horrible manner?
Ram, You know what I really think? I think you are just joking!
As a slang phrase goes here in the US: "I think that you are just "pulling my leg"
so i take it from your statement above that you wouldn't sacrifice yourself to prevent your children from being physically harmed? WALLY, You must be some kind of slight-of hand magician (or con man) the way that you pull stuff out of thin air which has nothing to do with what has been posted!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 0:08:13 GMT -5
so i take it from your statement above that you wouldn't sacrifice yourself to prevent your children from being physically harmed? WALLY, You must be some kind of slight-of hand magician (or con man) the way that you pull stuff out of thin air which has nothing to do with what has been posted! Christ our elder brother sacrificed himself for us so that we would not suffer spiritual death. i would think a mother could relate to that if she had to do the same for her own kids on a physical level....
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Post by joanna on Jan 31, 2020 1:16:49 GMT -5
@wally .
That you have proposed a contrasting reason for sacrifice gives it away Wally.
Of course a mother's sacrifice on a physical level would probably be a rational action to save her offspring if the conditions were such that they could survive without her.
But the reason you did not mention a 'spiritual' or imagined reason for sacrifice is because it would not be a rational action.
"Spiritual death" in the biblical context is a concept of Christian mythology.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 1:26:04 GMT -5
@wally . That you have proposed a contrasting reason for sacrifice gives it away Wally. Of course a mother's sacrifice on a physical level would probably be a rational action to save her offspring if the conditions were such that they could survive without her. But the reason you did not mention a 'spiritual' or imagined reason for sacrifice is because it would not be a rational action. "Spiritual death" in the biblical context is a concept of Christian mythology. the mother example would be a metaphor for what Christ was willing to do...very appropriate
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 31, 2020 1:50:39 GMT -5
@wally . That you have proposed a contrasting reason for sacrifice gives it away Wally. Of course a mother's sacrifice on a physical level would probably be a rational action to save her offspring if the conditions were such that they could survive without her. But the reason you did not mention a 'spiritual' or imagined reason for sacrifice is because it would not be a rational action. "Spiritual death" in the biblical context is a concept of Christian mythology. Dead spirits are just that , dead. But there’s a process called being born again in the spirit by the Spirit. Of course dead spirits don’t know that nor have ability to understand that because they’re dead spirits. Humans have spirits, but if there is nothing there but living for self or as self wants to live; then there is nothing there but a dead spirit. So it’s really strange that dead spirits want to judge living spirits as being impossible or unnecessary or just plain wacky simply because dead spirits have no clue about life.
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 31, 2020 1:52:39 GMT -5
@wally . That you have proposed a contrasting reason for sacrifice gives it away Wally. Of course a mother's sacrifice on a physical level would probably be a rational action to save her offspring if the conditions were such that they could survive without her. But the reason you did not mention a 'spiritual' or imagined reason for sacrifice is because it would not be a rational action. "Spiritual death" in the biblical context is a concept of Christian mythology. the mother example would be a metaphor for what Christ was willing to do...very appropriate - appropriate Marc mero talks about his mother’s sacrifice . I had a mother like that and can relate . I’d come home at all hours of the night , and the lights would be on , and she d have stayed up , waiting for me to come home , and I did not appreciate it St the time . Mom , I get it now . m.youtube.com/watch?v=7EyniGvsVg8
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 2:02:51 GMT -5
the mother example would be a metaphor for what Christ was willing to do...very appropriate - appropriate Marc mero talks about his mother’s sacrifice . I had a mother like that and can relate . I’d come home at all hours of the night , and the lights would be on , and she d have stayed up , waiting for me to come home , and I did not appreciate it St the time . Mom , I get it now . m.youtube.com/watch?v=7EyniGvsVg8 good video...
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Post by mountain on Jan 31, 2020 2:56:51 GMT -5
Firstly, I'm sure that you will agree that eating rice has the ability to reduce one's hunger pangs, at least in part? Hopefully we can reach agreement on this very point and thus having begun a harmonious journey together, we might reach further understandings? God wants us to serve him through our own free will and obedience. He wants our love. This is properly expressed through free will gestures. Proper free will gestures require tests and trials to prove they are indeed what they appear to be. Is our love for God greater than those other things which might attract our attention? When God created man in his own image, in his likeness created he him, it was his desire that man would follow a Godly life, just like God does. We were to be images of the one true God. However, God knew that man would ultimately fail when tested, so he had to provide a redemption plan. God's procreation plan was after man failed. Pre-failure, man fulfilled the criteria that God was looking for, 100% obedience, a condition some scholars reckon laster for up to 100 years. Human nature then had man following the desires of his human nature which had replaced his spiritual nature (ps don't you ever listen to Virgs?). God did not set us up purposely to fail, but knew that we would ultimately. It's been a tough road ever since to get man to seek that original Adamaic condition of living by every word that proceeds out of God's mouth, Just as Jesus told the naughty guy c.2000 years ago when he was tempted. I don't know if I can add much to that? Perhaps Nathan can give you a data download to peruse? Finally, do you agree that during World War II the German armed forces had bases in occupied Europe? If so, then, provided you accept that rice can relieve the symptoms of hunger, we will have enjoyed a journey where we have begun in agreement and ended in agreement, even if the journey in between may be challenging. Often it is how you start and how you finish that makes all the difference and the part in between can be discarded! Ram. Here is the scenario based on your own explanation.
Let's say that you become acquainted with someone who makes this kind of deal with you.
All they want is your "obedience" and "love."
They claim all they want is for you is to live a "good life."
They also want you to do it by serving them "through our own free will and obedience." Of course this must be " properly expressed through free will gestures." Your free will gestures will "require tests and trials to prove they are indeed what they appear to be."
And your "love" for this person must also be "greater than anything or anyone which might attract your attention." However, -this person also secretly knew that "you would ultimately fail when tested." However never mind, "they had provide(d) a redemption plan" for you.
But then you find out what that "redemption plan" contained. It means someone has to die a horrible death just to "redeem" your failure! Would you really want to accept such a deal? I mean if you had really tried to lead a "good life" -a life concerned about other people and their welfare, -Ram, could you accept such a deal which would cause someone else to have to die in such a horrible manner?
Ram, You know what I really think? I think you are just joking!
As a slang phrase goes here in the US: "I think that you are just "pulling my leg"
Please be honest, do you honestly reject the claim that the plains indians ate buffalo meat? I mean there are so many historical records supporting the fact. I notice too that you failed to mention the rice statement or the not so wild fact that the Germans had bases in Occupied Europe during WW II. This shows a propensity to disregard valid parts of an argument in favour of selecting ground of your choosing. I suspect that deep down you know the factual bread of the rice and the Germans, provides a healthy sandwich filling of truth.
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Post by xna on Jan 31, 2020 14:04:33 GMT -5
Last I checked humans are still animals. About 99% of our DNA is the same as chimpanzees, & both share the same end. Well, that was after the FALL the humans became mortals humans/being animals die like the rest of animals. Before the FALL We/humans were IMMORTALS Beings created in the image of God the Father, Christ/The LORD God and Holy Spirit! Jesus said Ye are gods. There is archeological evidence of many dead humans. It is thought that about 107 billion humans have lived.
Anatomically modern human remains of eight individuals dated 300,000 years old, making them the oldest known remains categorized as "modern". If they were immortal they wouldn't be dead. There are 7 animals that can live forever, jellyfish, lobsters, Sturdy turtles, Tough whales, bacterium and flatworms. Humans didn't make the list.
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Post by nathan on Jan 31, 2020 15:52:56 GMT -5
** Like I said for many yrs God had created other human beings on earth and other trillions galaxies in the universe. God created Adamic race 6000 years ago and before Adam, He created billions of different types of angels, and billions types/species of intelligence beings to populate the trillions galaxies in the universe. Adam and Eve would NOT have died if they had eaten the Tree of life = choose to be with Christ/God for eternity instead they picked to be with the Serpent/Satan in the Garden of Eden and be cast in the Lake of fire for eternity.
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Post by mountain on Jan 31, 2020 16:00:56 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 31, 2020 16:59:42 GMT -5
Ram. Here is the scenario based on your own explanation.
Let's say that you become acquainted with someone who makes this kind of deal with you.
All they want is your "obedience" and "love."
They claim all they want is for you is to live a "good life."
They also want you to do it by serving them "through our own free will and obedience." Of course this must be " properly expressed through free will gestures." Your free will gestures will "require tests and trials to prove they are indeed what they appear to be."
And your "love" for this person must also be "greater than anything or anyone which might attract your attention." However, -this person also secretly knew that "you would ultimately fail when tested." However never mind, "they had provide(d) a redemption plan" for you.
But then you find out what that "redemption plan" contained. It means someone has to die a horrible death just to "redeem" your failure! Would you really want to accept such a deal? I mean if you had really tried to lead a "good life" -a life concerned about other people and their welfare, -Ram, could you accept such a deal which would cause someone else to have to die in such a horrible manner?
Ram, You know what I really think? I think you are just joking!
As a slang phrase goes here in the US: "I think that you are just "pulling my leg"
Please be honest, do you honestly reject the claim that the plains indians ate buffalo meat? I mean there are so many historical records supporting the fact. I notice too that you failed to mention the rice statement or the not so wild fact that the Germans had bases in Occupied Europe during WW II. This shows a propensity to disregard valid parts of an argument in favour of selecting ground of your choosing. I suspect that deep down you know the factual bread of the rice and the Germans, provides a healthy sandwich filling of truth. OK, Let's DO talk about "honesty," Ram!
I did not mention your arguments concerning "the rice statement" and all the other arguments that you wanted me to appraise because they had absolutely nothing to do with the argument that you were pushing in the rest of your post!
There was no comparison
I am use to some peoples attempts make one think that if they agree with SOME arguments, -that then they must ALSO agree with another completely different argument; -the argument they are pushing!
I addressed ONLY the argument you were actually pushing and THAT argument was based on an opinion of yours about an ancient mythological account that has NO actual evidential basis what-so-ever that it ever really happened in the first place.
Now Ram, THAT was NOT an "honest" argument that you made, -I would have thought that you knew better. But Ram, if a "mythological narrative" (NOT "factual" in any way) of nothing substantial whatever does ease your hunger; -go for it!
Oh, BTW, RAM, -do you still live near Edinburgh? I might be coming that way soon, -could you show me around the Castle? I could bring us some buffalo burgers for lunch.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 31, 2020 17:13:53 GMT -5
WALLY, You must be some kind of slight-of hand magician (or con man) the way that you pull stuff out of thin air which has nothing to do with what has been posted! Christ our elder brother sacrificed himself for us so that we would not suffer spiritual death. i would think a mother could relate to that if she had to do the same for her own kids on a physical level.... But what did that have to do with anything with my reply to Ram?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 17:32:17 GMT -5
Christ our elder brother sacrificed himself for us so that we would not suffer spiritual death. i would think a mother could relate to that if she had to do the same for her own kids on a physical level.... But what did that have to do with anything with my reply to Ram?you asked him why he would accept such a deal as someone dying for someone else...
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Post by mountain on Jan 31, 2020 18:28:04 GMT -5
Please be honest, do you honestly reject the claim that the plains indians ate buffalo meat? I mean there are so many historical records supporting the fact. I notice too that you failed to mention the rice statement or the not so wild fact that the Germans had bases in Occupied Europe during WW II. This shows a propensity to disregard valid parts of an argument in favour of selecting ground of your choosing. I suspect that deep down you know the factual bread of the rice and the Germans, provides a healthy sandwich filling of truth. OK, Let's DO talk about "honesty," Ram!
I did not mention your arguments concerning "the rice statement" and all the other arguments that you wanted me to appraise because they had absolutely nothing to do with the argument that you were pushing in the rest of your post!
There was no comparison
I am use to some peoples attempts make one think that if they agree with SOME arguments, -that then they must ALSO agree with another completely different argument; -the argument they are pushing!
I addressed ONLY the argument you were actually pushing and THAT argument was based on an opinion of yours about an ancient mythological account that has NO actual evidential basis what-so-ever that it ever really happened in the first place.
Now Ram, THAT was NOT an "honest" argument that you made, -I would have thought that you knew better. But Ram, if a "mythological narrative" (NOT "factual" in any way) of nothing substantial whatever does ease your hunger; -go for it!
Oh, BTW, RAM, -do you still live near Edinburgh? I might be coming that way soon, -could you show me around the Castle?
I could bring us some buffalo burgers for lunch.
Dm I'd love to show you around Edinburgh Castle. That would be a very interesting tour. If I remember correctly the guy at the ticket office firmly believes that eating rice has the ability to reduce one's hunger pangs. Now if you firmly believe likewise, we may have a great start to the tour? Let's hope it happens, but it would be better if this little point could be clarified beforehand. Furthermore, the German thing? Do you agree with Nathan that the NAZIS had bases in Occupied Europe during WW II? Please don't avoid answering these very pertinent questions because of the subject matter they bookended. Buffalo burgers? Now that is very interesting. With rice? Hey this could be some trip? We actually have buffalo burgers in my area, but they are made from the meat of water buffalo which are farmed in the region. Now that you have focussed on what we disagree over, hot about for the sake of harmony you diligently address the rice and German issues?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 31, 2020 21:20:13 GMT -5
OK, Let's DO talk about "honesty," Ram!
I did not mention your arguments concerning "the rice statement" and all the other arguments that you wanted me to appraise because they had absolutely nothing to do with the argument that you were pushing in the rest of your post!
There was no comparison
I am use to some peoples attempts make one think that if they agree with SOME arguments, -that then they must ALSO agree with another completely different argument; -the argument they are pushing!
I addressed ONLY the argument you were actually pushing and THAT argument was based on an opinion of yours about an ancient mythological account that has NO actual evidential basis what-so-ever that it ever really happened in the first place.
Now Ram, THAT was NOT an "honest" argument that you made, -I would have thought that you knew better. But Ram, if a "mythological narrative" (NOT "factual" in any way) of nothing substantial whatever does ease your hunger; -go for it!
Oh, BTW, RAM, -do you still live near Edinburgh? I might be coming that way soon, -could you show me around the Castle?
I could bring us some buffalo burgers for lunch.
Dm I'd love to show you around Edinburgh Castle. That would be a very interesting tour. If I remember correctly the guy at the ticket office firmly believes that eating rice has the ability to reduce one's hunger pangs. Now if you firmly believe likewise, we may have a great start to the tour? Let's hope it happens, but it would be better if this little point could be clarified beforehand. Furthermore, the German thing? Do you agree with Nathan that the NAZIS had bases in Occupied Europe during WW II? Please don't avoid answering these very pertinent questions because of the subject matter they bookended. Buffalo burgers? Now that is very interesting. With rice? Hey this could be some trip? We actually have buffalo burgers in my area, but they are made from the meat of water buffalo which are farmed in the region. Now that you have focussed on what we disagree over, hot about for the sake of harmony you diligently address the rice and German issues? Sorry, Ram.
I would not want a tour of the castle to have to be burdened down on a discussion of such mundane subjects. That wouldn't be a very pleasant trip.
BTW, -our buffalo burgers these days come from domesticated plains bison raised on farms around here in the mid-west.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 31, 2020 21:41:52 GMT -5
But what did that have to do with anything with my reply to Ram? you asked him why he would accept such a deal as someone dying for someone else... Wally, -you missed the point once again. Makes one wonder if you really read the whole post and digest the meaning or just grab a section and run with it.
This is what my post actually meant!
Would I want to make a deal where someone else should have to die a horrible death just to "redeem" me because of my own failure?
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Post by Dan on Jan 31, 2020 22:01:35 GMT -5
you asked him why he would accept such a deal as someone dying for someone else... Wally, -you missed the point once again. Makes one wonder if you really read the whole post and digest the meaning or just grab a section and run with it.
This is what my post actually meant!
Would I want to make a deal where someone else should have to die a horrible death just to "redeem" me because of my own failure?
There was no deal, it was an unsolicited act of God, we were never part of the equation.. John 3:16 doesn't mention God negotiating anything with us. It was simply the ultimate love offering that we could accept or reject. "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13).
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 31, 2020 22:09:02 GMT -5
Wally, -you missed the point once again. Makes one wonder if you really read the whole post and digest the meaning or just grab a section and run with it.
This is what my post actually meant!
Would I want to make a deal where someone else should have to die a horrible death just to "redeem" me because of my own failure?
There was no deal, it was an unsolicited act of God, we were never part of the equation.. John 3:16 doesn't mention God negotiating anything with us. It was simply the ultimate love offering that we could accept or reject. "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13).
Dan, did you read Ram's post and my answer to Ram or are you just going by what Wally said? PS: "Ram" was Mountain in a previous life.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 0:11:29 GMT -5
you asked him why he would accept such a deal as someone dying for someone else... Wally, -you missed the point once again. Makes one wonder if you really read the whole post and digest the meaning or just grab a section and run with it.
This is what my post actually meant!
Would I want to make a deal where someone else should have to die a horrible death just to "redeem" me because of my own failure?
if you don't want to answer the question then don't but stop it with your spin your not fooling anyone...
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