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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 27, 2020 20:40:42 GMT -5
Okay, now, that's funny! lol Sorry Nathan, that tickled my funny bone! Justification for God at it's best... *** Too many/7 billions people on the earth God has to create jobs for them to pay the bills. Well, -damn'it!
Wasn't HE also the same old guy who told people to "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it?".
Genesis 1:28.
Serves HIM right!
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Post by Annan on Jan 27, 2020 20:46:05 GMT -5
Time will prove that I am telling the truth and NOT some mythical beings or fairy tales stories. There you go with the smug know-it-all self-righteousness again.
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2020 21:02:02 GMT -5
*** Too many/7 billions people on the earth God has to create jobs for them to pay the bills. Well, -damn'it!
Wasn't HE also the same old guy who told people to "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it?".
Genesis 1:28.
Serves HIM right! ** Well, God had provided and given everything Adam and Eve need foods, waters, animals to have companions with and having fellowship with Christ face to face in the garden of Eden/Paradise. However, they rejected him/Christ the Tree of life and eat the forbidden Fruit= Be with Satan/Serpent for eternity. After they had rejected Christ/God, God the Father and Holy Spirit in the Garden of Eden/Inner earth. God cast them to the surface and let Satan their god to care for them because it was their choice. God/Elohim plural in their Mercy and goodness wanted to redeem Adam, Eve and their mortals children back from Satan. In Genesis the Godhead revealed their plan of REDEMPTION to SAVE them and Christ/God will come down from heaven to die for their sin in the person Jesus.
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Post by joanna on Jan 27, 2020 21:04:26 GMT -5
nathan . If a claim relies on the passing time to tell whether it is true or not, then that very criteria tells the thinking person to avoid being credulous in the face of that which is presently unproveable. Thousands of years have already passed since humans began claiming gods exist. And the passing of time has continued to undermine the existence of gods and the supernatural dimension. As Neal de Grasse Tyson stated "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on." So time is absolutely not on your side Nathan nor all the others who use faith to believe in the unevidenced. The sooner you are able to free yourselves from that which is cluttering your mind with extraneous, irrational nonsense, the better off you will be.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 27, 2020 21:06:36 GMT -5
Well, -damn'it!
Wasn't HE also the same old guy who told people to "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it?".
Genesis 1:28.
Serves HIM right! ** Well, God had provided everything or Adam, Eve and their children in the garden of Eden but they rejected himChrist the Tree of life and eat the forbidden Fruit= Be with Satan/Serpent for eternity. After they had rejected Christ/God, God the Father and Holy Spirit in the Garden of Eden/Inner earth. God cast them to the surface and let Satan their god to care for them because it was their choice. God/Elohim plural in their Mercy and goodness wanted to redeem Adam, Eve and their mortals children back from Satan. In Genesis the Godhead revealed their plan of REDEMPTION to SAVE them and Christ/God will come down from heaven to die for their sin in the person Jesus. So what is the excuse this time @wally ? It seems nathan really cannot help himself ....the inner earth c"*! Is creeping into his posts more and more !!
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2020 21:11:55 GMT -5
nathan . If a claim relies on the passing time to tell whether it is true or not, then that very criteria tells the thinking person to avoid being credulous in the face of that which is presently unproveable. Thousands of years have already passed since humans began claiming gods exist. And the passing of time has continued to undermine the existence of gods and the supernatural dimension. As Neal de Grasse Tyson stated "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on." So time is absolutely not on your side Nathan nor all the others who use faith to believe in the unevidenced. The sooner you are able to free yourselves from that which is cluttering your mind with extraneous, irrational nonsense, the better off you will be. *** You atheists are too much, your unbelief, fears and doubts will keep you out of heaven. Just like the children of Israel unbelief in God's power kept most of older generation from entering the promised land.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 21:16:07 GMT -5
this is why the truth frowns on people from other churches....however i am not exclusive in that regard... Wally that is blasphemy. Jesus is the TRUTH! ,not 2x2 religion. yeah right... and where did i say anything against the Holy Spirit?
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Post by joanna on Jan 27, 2020 21:32:03 GMT -5
You and I are alike nathan. The term "heaven" is simply a two-syllable word to both of us. You cannot prove heaven even exists and neither can I. Heaven is an imaginary concept along with all other imaginary concepts from literature. - El Dorado, Utopia etc We know why humans want to believe in heaven and we know how they come to believe in it. But believing in something does not make it real. And the more you rely on words to try and prove that heaven and the other imaginary concepts are real, the more it proves they are not. In contrast, it is refreshing to be able to qualify claims that are founded on reliable data. It is dishonest to tell others something is true when you are unable to prove that. Stephen Hawking 'There is no heaven' .
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 27, 2020 21:53:45 GMT -5
You and I are alike nathan . The term "heaven" is simply a two-syllable word to both of us. You cannot prove heaven even exists and neither can I. Heaven is an imaginary concept along with all other imaginary concepts from literature. - El Dorado, Utopia etc We know why humans want to believe in heaven and we know how they come to believe in it. But believing in something does not make it real. And the more you rely on words to try and prove that heaven and the other imaginary concepts are real, the more it proves they are not. In contrast, it is refreshing to be able to qualify claims that are founded on reliable data. It is dishonest to tell others something is true when you are unable to prove that. Stephen Hawking "There is no heaven" . To be fair, Nathan focuses a lot more on Venus than Heaven. He is tremendously more advanced than other Christians from the standpoint that he ties his stories to an actual extraterrestrial body rather than an mythical one.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 27, 2020 22:00:14 GMT -5
nathan . If a claim relies on the passing time to tell whether it is true or not, then that very criteria tells the thinking person to avoid being credulous in the face of that which is presently unproveable. Thousands of years have already passed since humans began claiming gods exist. And the passing of time has continued to undermine the existence of gods and the supernatural dimension. As Neal de Grasse Tyson stated "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on." So time is absolutely not on your side Nathan nor all the others who use faith to believe in the unevidenced. The sooner you are able to free yourselves from that which is cluttering your mind with extraneous, irrational nonsense, the better off you will be. *** You atheists are too much, your unbelief, fears and doubts will keep you out of heaven. Just like the children of Israel unbelief in God's power kept most of older generation from entering the promised land. Nathan!
Sounds as if YOU are the one who has all the "fears!"
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2020 22:01:00 GMT -5
You and I are alike nathan. The term "heaven" is simply a two-syllable word to both of us. You cannot prove heaven even exists and neither can I. Heaven is an imaginary concept along with all other imaginary concepts from literature. - El Dorado, Utopia etc We know why humans want to believe in heaven and we know how they come to believe in it. But believing in something does not make it real. And the more you rely on words to try and prove that heaven and the other imaginary concepts are real, the more it proves they are not. In contrast, it is refreshing to be able to qualify claims that are founded on reliable data. It is dishonest to tell others something is true when you are unable to prove that *** I have explained for 10 yrs heaven is inside of the planet Venus. Heaven has been the planet where the Godhead lives for millions, billions of yrs or longer. Our own solar system the 12 planets are where the angels created and live. Our Milky Way galaxy is the center of the Universe. Christ/God Jesus revealed where His home/Venus planet 2000 yrs ago in the book of Revelation 22:16. Venus has been Godhead dweling place from eons. We all KNOW the planet Venus is REAL because we can SEE it with our own eyes. Therefore, heaven, God and Christ are REAL not our own figment imagination.
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Post by Annan on Jan 27, 2020 22:06:52 GMT -5
We all KNOW the planet Venus is REAL because we can SEE it with our own eyes. Therefore, heaven, God and Christ are REAL not our own figment imagination.I'm utterly speechless. Seriously.
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Post by joanna on Jan 27, 2020 22:12:05 GMT -5
nathan Your explanations about Venus and aliens are no less or more rational than every other Christians explanations about their beliefs. But the problem lies with the term "explanation". Definition of explanation is a statement or account that makes something clearAnd the more you talk about Venus and the like, the more cloudy and confused it becomes - analogous to the sulphurous clouds in which Venus is shrouded - it just doesn't smell at all right Nathan The explanations for the supernatural dimension which you and other Christians on this forum believe in - are not explanations at all. They just morph into a word salad that has no relevant meaning and one which lacks substance.
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2020 22:30:14 GMT -5
nathan Your explanations about Venus and aliens are no less or more rational than every other Christians explanations about their beliefs. But the problem lies with the term "explanation". Definition of explanation is a statement or account that makes something clearAnd the more you talk about Venus and the like, and the more cloudy and confused it becomes - analogous to the sulphurous clouds in which Venus is shrouded - it just doesn't smell at all right Nathan The explanations for the supernatural dimension which you and other Christians on this forum believe in - are not explanations at all. They just morph into a word salad that has no relevant meaning and one which lacks substance. *** I have shown you folks evidences for 10 yrs! That our own TOP brass in the white house, the Pentagon, the presidents of United States. Some leaders around the world and a few civilians KNOW Jesus Christ/God is a VISITOR from interior planet of Venus since 1930s. Some have met Jesus inside Venus face to face. We have information what inside looks like from people who had seen it with their own eyes... Like John the apostle did 2000 yrs ago, when he wrote the book of Revelation. I believe it was interior planet where Christ took him to see His home.
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Post by Annan on Jan 27, 2020 22:37:02 GMT -5
I have shown you folks evidences for 10 yrs! That our own TOP brass in the white house, the Pentagon, the presidents of United States. Some leaders around the world and a few civilians KNOW Jesus Christ/God is a VISITOR from interior planet of Venus since 1930s. Some have met Jesus inside Venus face to face. We have information what inside looks like from people who had seen it with their own eyes... Like John the apostle did 2000 yrs ago, when he wrote the book of Revelation. I believe it was interior planet where Christ took him to see His home. Hearsay isn't evidence. People lie. Some have nothing better to do than dupe people like you.
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Post by joanna on Jan 27, 2020 22:40:41 GMT -5
nathan . Using that flawed logic - we all know that horses are real because we can see them with our own eyes - so therefore Unicorns are real.... As i previously said - unfortunately that which you were exposed to as a child has had a long term impact Nathan and you are unable to distinguish between what is real and what is fake. Yet another damaging impact of religiosity in action.
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2020 22:46:30 GMT -5
nathan . Using that flawed logic - we all know that horses are real because we can see them with our own eyes - so therefore Unicorns are real.... As i previously said - unfortunately that which you were exposed to as a child has had a long term impact Nathan and you are unable to distinguish between what is real and what is fake. Yet another damaging impact of religiosity in action. ** I KNOW what is real and unreal... It's you athiests and those like you don't believe it because of your doubts, and unbelief will be your down fall.
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Post by chuck on Jan 27, 2020 23:05:21 GMT -5
Wally that is blasphemy. Jesus is the TRUTH! ,not 2x2 religion. yeah right... and where did i say anything against the Holy Spirit? You claimed your/our Church/religion/2x2ism is the truth. It's not. Jesus is the truth. Calling 2x2ism the "TRUTH" is a lie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 23:12:14 GMT -5
yeah right... and where did i say anything against the Holy Spirit? You claimed your/our Church/religion/2x2ism is the truth. It's not. Jesus is the truth. Calling 2x2ism the "TRUTH" is a lie. thats one of its nicknames...your reaching if it is a lie(its not) lies are not blasphemy...reaching again....
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 27, 2020 23:17:34 GMT -5
We all KNOW the planet Venus is REAL because we can SEE it with our own eyes. Therefore, heaven, God and Christ are REAL not our own figment imagination.I'm utterly speechless. Seriously. Save your mirrors, everyone. Nathan may just try to tell us we are growing things like horns or tails to join some of his aliens.
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Post by chuck on Jan 27, 2020 23:27:26 GMT -5
You claimed your/our Church/religion/2x2ism is the truth. It's not. Jesus is the truth. Calling 2x2ism the "TRUTH" is a lie. thats one of its nicknames...your reaching if it is a lie(its not) lies are not blasphemy...reaching again.... It's a nickname! what a copout!. Its not the "TRUTH wally, Its hypocrisy as it is a lie. Far from what your claiming it to be.
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Post by Dan on Jan 27, 2020 23:33:40 GMT -5
Because a person chooses to believe in one God, doesn't imply or require them to believe in any ole god. No belief can be proven, but some are very practical while others require a degree of gullibility to swallow.
If I said, "I'm hungry", you might believe that, even though you had no scientific proof or evidence to prove it. If I said, "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse", you wouldn't believe it because its not practical.
Neither statement can be proven, yet your likely to believe one while rejecting the other. Christ made sense, so people choose to believe him. Christians believe in life after death because Jesus returned alive after he was killed.
The bible doesn't contradict scientific facts when its properly interpreted, it only contradicts scientific theories. Christ inflicted no harm, religion did.
Every prayer I've prayed was answered, the answer is just "No" most of the time, probably for good reason. And I believe its wrong to attribute suffering to God instead of our disobedience to God as the cause.
So it all depends on how a person discerns things, for thousands of years people have had similar questions, for some God is the answer and all others have no answers. Faith is just accepting something as a truth before its factually proven to be so.
Dan, Your example is quite good : "'I'm so hungry I could eat a horse'", you wouldn't believe it because its not practical."
But then you attempt to compare that as an example to a belief that "Jesus returned alive after he was killed." Such a belief just ignores your previous example as being viable argument!
Because NOT only is it "impractical" to believe that someone can "return alive after they was killed," -it is "impossible!"
The resurrection of Christ may have been impractical, but it was witnessed and recorded by people I trust, and the fact is, no one produced a body to disprove a resurrection. On the other hand, I've never seen or heard of a hungry person sitting down and eating an entire horse! That's not only impractical, its improbable, and has never been witnessed.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 28, 2020 0:40:35 GMT -5
Dan, Your example is quite good : "'I'm so hungry I could eat a horse'", you wouldn't believe it because its not practical."
But then you attempt to compare that as an example to a belief that "Jesus returned alive after he was killed." Such a belief just ignores your previous example as being viable argument!
Because NOT only is it "impractical" to believe that someone can "return alive after they was killed," -it is "impossible!" The resurrection of Christ may have been impractical, but it was witnessed and recorded by people I trust, and the fact is, no one produced a body to disprove a resurrection.
On the other hand, I've never seen or heard of a hungry person sitting down and eating an entire horse! That's not only impractical, its improbable, and has never been witnessed. Sorry, Dan but it is far more possible for a person to eat an entire horse, given the horse were small enough & the person could eat it over period of time!
St. Louis, U.S. Thumbelina (born May 1, 2001) is a dwarf miniature horse and the world's smallest horse. She stands 43 centimetres (17 in) tall and weighs 26 kilograms (57 lb), and received the title of world's smallest from Guinness World Records. Thumbelina was born in St. Louis, Missouri.
Whereas you, Dan, -you are relying on people over 2000 years ago who supposedly witnessed something that was not recorded by other's until many years later who were not even eye witness. (except maybe John)
Then there is the fact that it was only certain accounts which were chosen by the Catholic Church! Others accounts were discarded.
After that, those accounts have gone through many translations.
However, the main factor for me as to why I do not believe it to be true, (beside it being impossible to start with) is that people in general in those times often believed such accounts of supernatural events.
It wasn't just that incident nor in that area of the world where such supernatural events were believed by many people to have happened. But if something like that were reported to have happened today, -would you believe it?
I was a nurse for a large part of my life and I never heard of it happening nor witnessed it happening.
I don't believe it could happen. It is fundamentally impossible. END.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 0:44:49 GMT -5
Paula White, President Trump's primary spiritual advisor and White House staff member, gave a very intriguing prayer/sermon recently. She talked about satanic pregnancies and prayed that they would miscarry immediately. "We cancel every surprise, from the witchcraft in the marine kingdom… any spirit of control, any Jezebel… We come against the marine kingdom, we come against the animal kingdom… we break the power in the name of Jesus… We command any satanic pregnancies to miscarry right now.” Take a listen: Maybe some of the believers can explain: How do Satanic pregnancies work exactly? Does the devil get women pregnant in a similar manner to how the Holy Spirit got Mary pregnant? When Paula White commands these miscarriages in the name of Jesus, is Jesus helping her perform celestial abortions? How does the "marine kingdom" play into all of this? Is it related to hollow Earth? Very interesting. With Trump, I wouldn't worry much about his "spiritual advisor". Bush perhaps, but not Trump. Now the leprechaun he hires as his Pot of Gold advisor I'd keep an eye on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 0:47:22 GMT -5
thats one of its nicknames...your reaching if it is a lie(its not) lies are not blasphemy...reaching again.... It's a nickname! what a copout!. Its not the "TRUTH wally, Its hypocrisy as it is a lie. Far from what your claiming it to be. still not blasphemy JW....
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Post by nathan on Jan 28, 2020 2:01:26 GMT -5
It's a nickname! what a copout!. Its not the "TRUTH wally, Its hypocrisy as it is a lie. Far from what your claiming it to be. still not blasphemy JW.... Or a Baptist, but he doesn't KNOW it, yet.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 2:13:09 GMT -5
It's a nickname! what a copout!. Its not the "TRUTH wally, Its hypocrisy as it is a lie. Far from what your claiming it to be. still not blasphemy JW.... It is by some definitions, Wally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 2:16:15 GMT -5
still not blasphemy JW.... It is by some definitions, Wally. if lying(and i am not admitting that i have in my previous post)is blasphemy then no one is saved....
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