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Post by nathan on Jan 22, 2020 14:53:59 GMT -5
I corrected my mistake wally pointed out. If you cant understand my position might I suggest instead of telling me how I cannot read the bible you invest some time reading what I actually write. I do read what you write, Chuck... and your interpretation are NOT always sound so, I try to point out these in kindness. This way you cant be call a false teacher by passing on false teachings to others. I present my side of understanding and you present yours and let the readers decide these things for themselves.
Paul wrote to Timothy I Tim 4:15-16 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
I too want to make sure the doctrines which I teach on TMB are true, correct and sound because people eternal life and destiny are depending on it. We don't want point and lead people to and IN the WRONG path, because we/teachers will accountable in the day of judgment. Matthew 7:13-28.
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 22, 2020 20:28:29 GMT -5
I think most of the workers and friends try to keep what they preach in meeting from to becoming a part of their everyday lives. I told one of the workers that I could no longer go listen to her speak about love and kindness in gospel meeting when she had not shown any love or kindness to my family. The problem with any so called religion is words are cheap. Living those words comes at a great cost. Jesus did not just preach he lived what he preached. A lot of the 2x2 on this forum can preach but they do not live what they preach. There is not much love, kindness or compassion shown on this forum. Chuck, you hit the nail on the head with the statement below: The problem with any so called religion is words are cheap. Living those words comes at a great cost. Jesus did not just preach he lived what he preached.It reminds me of something Sam Jones wrote: ’Twas life I got, not theory: His voice I did obey, And entered in by Jesus— God’s only way.Man's downfall is that he prefers a belief system based on words, rather than spiritual life. Man chooses "knowledge of good and evil" rather than "life". Another quote: I honestly try and walk with Jesus Christ every day. My relationship with Jesus Christ is not lip service. It is of utmost importance to me. It is even more important than my relationship with my wife. I know that my wife considers her relationship with Him more important than her relationship with me. Ultimately, that’s who I’m going to have to face. That’s going to be a great day.
John Wetteland 1996 World Series Most Valuable Player Greatest relief pitcher in Texas Rangers history. Bible Teacher and Baseball Coach at Liberty Christian School
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Post by speak on Jan 22, 2020 20:58:42 GMT -5
Sorry Fixit my problem, too much Guinness. It was Speak who asked the question, " What is a proper Church?" This old mind does get confused at times. Speak answer was for you, 2x2's are not a Church. What is a church to you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 21:22:16 GMT -5
Speak, I would recognise this as a Church if it has:
a distinct legal existence and religious history, a recognized creed and form of worship, established places of worship a regular congregation and regular religious services, and an organization of ordained ministers
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 22, 2020 21:28:47 GMT -5
And what is the possibility of Ananias being in on the whole thing in the first place. You are too trusting that all of this is absolutely true and not contrived propaganda to grow a new religion. It appears the only way Ananias knew Paul or Saul of Tarsus was he’d been persecuting, imprisoning, beating and killing the s Christ followers. He’d mentioned that to Jesus then Jesus said that Paul was a chosen vessel to him and that Paul must suffer many things in the name of Christ. If I’m too trusting you’re far too quick to find fault. We’ve watched you go from agnostic to critic atheist, and I find it a very ugly picture, Snow. You’re better then that. Far better! This what we know about Ananias from the bible. "A second Ananias in the Bible played a part in the conversion story of the apostle Paul. After Saul of Tarsus was struck blind on the road to Damascus, he was led to the home of Judas on Straight Street. Three days later, Jesus spoke in a vision to a disciple in Damascus named Ananias. The Lord told him to go to Saul, but Ananias was afraid. He was keenly aware of Saul’s unyielding persecution of the believers in Jerusalem and his intended persecution in Damascus. God reassured Ananias, saying, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must suffer for my name” (Acts 9:15–16).
Ananias obeyed God and found the recently converted Saul. He laid hands on him and prayed, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 9:17). Immediately, Saul was healed of his blindness and was baptized."
People certainly have the right to believe this is true and actually happened if they want to believe it, -but to me it was just penned by Luke who wrote Acts and gave Paul the status that Paul now has in Christianity
Luke probably believed it to be true himself and was NOT trying to be deceptive! Probably Paul himself believed it as well!
But that doesn't make it TRUE! It is impossible for something like that to really have happened! You all know that and I know that it is impossible!
If someone claimed this sort of thing happened to someone today we would say they were having delusions; -that they were mentally ill and needed help! However, in that day the people believed such things were the normal and COULD happen!
Other people in the world outside of that time also believed such paranormal incidents could happen!
People! We live in the 21 century! If you are going to insist that such things really did happen over two thousand ago in that one small place in the whole world, -then you need to accept the same kind of paranormal incidents happened in the rest of the world!
DO YOU?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 21:33:45 GMT -5
It appears the only way Ananias knew Paul or Saul of Tarsus was he’d been persecuting, imprisoning, beating and killing the s Christ followers. He’d mentioned that to Jesus then Jesus said that Paul was a chosen vessel to him and that Paul must suffer many things in the name of Christ. If I’m too trusting you’re far too quick to find fault. We’ve watched you go from agnostic to critic atheist, and I find it a very ugly picture, Snow. You’re better then that. Far better! This what we know about Ananias from the bible. "A second Ananias in the Bible played a part in the conversion story of the apostle Paul. After Saul of Tarsus was struck blind on the road to Damascus, he was led to the home of Judas on Straight Street. Three days later, Jesus spoke in a vision to a disciple in Damascus named Ananias. The Lord told him to go to Saul, but Ananias was afraid. He was keenly aware of Saul’s unyielding persecution of the believers in Jerusalem and his intended persecution in Damascus. God reassured Ananias, saying, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must suffer for my name” (Acts 9:15–16).
Ananias obeyed God and found the recently converted Saul. He laid hands on him and prayed, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 9:17). Immediately, Saul was healed of his blindness and was baptized."
People certainly have the right to believe this is true and actually happened if they want to believe it, -but to me it was just penned by Luke who wrote Acts and gave Paul the status that Paul now has in Christianity
Luke probably believed it to be true himself and was NOT trying to be deceptive! Probably Paul himself believed it as well!
But that doesn't make it TRUE! It is impossible for something like that to really have happened! You all know that and I know that it is impossible!
If someone claimed this sort of thing happened to someone today we would say they were having delusions; -that they were mentally ill and needed help! However, in that day the people believed such things were the normal and COULD happen!
Other people in the world outside of that time also believed such paranormal incidents could happen!
People! We live in the 21 century! If you are going to insist that such things really did happen over two thousand ago in that one small place in the whole world, -then you need to accept the same kind of paranormal incidents happened in the rest of the world!
DO YOU?no we don't....as to other paranormal happenings they may or may not have happened because satan and his angels are paranormal beings and have powers beyond us mere humans...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 22, 2020 21:57:11 GMT -5
This what we know about Ananias from the bible. "A second Ananias in the Bible played a part in the conversion story of the apostle Paul. After Saul of Tarsus was struck blind on the road to Damascus, he was led to the home of Judas on Straight Street. Three days later, Jesus spoke in a vision to a disciple in Damascus named Ananias. The Lord told him to go to Saul, but Ananias was afraid. He was keenly aware of Saul’s unyielding persecution of the believers in Jerusalem and his intended persecution in Damascus. God reassured Ananias, saying, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must suffer for my name” (Acts 9:15–16).
Ananias obeyed God and found the recently converted Saul. He laid hands on him and prayed, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 9:17). Immediately, Saul was healed of his blindness and was baptized."
People certainly have the right to believe this is true and actually happened if they want to believe it, -but to me it was just penned by Luke who wrote Acts and gave Paul the status that Paul now has in Christianity
Luke probably believed it to be true himself and was NOT trying to be deceptive! Probably Paul himself believed it as well!
But that doesn't make it TRUE! It is impossible for something like that to really have happened! You all know that and I know that it is impossible!
If someone claimed this sort of thing happened to someone today we would say they were having delusions; -that they were mentally ill and needed help! However, in that day the people believed such things were the normal and COULD happen!
Other people in the world outside of that time also believed such paranormal incidents could happen!
People! We live in the 21 century! If you are going to insist that such things really did happen over two thousand ago in that one small place in the whole world, -then you need to accept the same kind of paranormal incidents happened in the rest of the world!
DO YOU? no we don't....as to other paranormal happenings they may or may not have happened because satan and his angels are paranormal beings and have powers beyond us mere humans... Well of course you wouldn't, Wally! All of those other impossible paranormal beliefs from other areas of the world could NOT possibly have come from YOUR "GOD!"
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Post by nathan on Jan 22, 2020 22:05:21 GMT -5
This what we know about Ananias from the bible. "A second Ananias in the Bible played a part in the conversion story of the apostle Paul. After Saul of Tarsus was struck blind on the road to Damascus, he was led to the home of Judas on Straight Street. Three days later, Jesus spoke in a vision to a disciple in Damascus named Ananias. The Lord told him to go to Saul, but Ananias was afraid. He was keenly aware of Saul’s unyielding persecution of the believers in Jerusalem and his intended persecution in Damascus. God reassured Ananias, saying, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must suffer for my name” (Acts 9:15–16).
Ananias obeyed God and found the recently converted Saul. He laid hands on him and prayed, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 9:17). Immediately, Saul was healed of his blindness and was baptized."
People certainly have the right to believe this is true and actually happened if they want to believe it, -but to me it was just penned by Luke who wrote Acts and gave Paul the status that Paul now has in Christianity
Luke probably believed it to be true himself and was NOT trying to be deceptive! Probably Paul himself believed it as well!
But that doesn't make it TRUE! It is impossible for something like that to really have happened! You all know that and I know that it is impossible!
If someone claimed this sort of thing happened to someone today we would say they were having delusions; -that they were mentally ill and needed help! However, in that day the people believed such things were the normal and COULD happen!
Other people in the world outside of that time also believed such paranormal incidents could happen!
People! We live in the 21 century! If you are going to insist that such things really did happen over two thousand ago in that one small place in the whole world, -then you need to accept the same kind of paranormal incidents happened in the rest of the world!
DO YOU? no we don't....as to other paranormal happenings they may or may not have happened because satan and his angels are paranormal beings and have powers beyond us mere humans... ** Tharoah S. the ex-overseer from Washington State gave me the green light to start in the work 1984 because of misunderstanding on his part he said I couldn't start in the work that year! He told me to wait for 1 more yr, which I did but he NEVER write or give me a phone call. I prayed to God for help! One night In my dream God told me to go Oregon and offer for the work there! I left Washington State I offered for the work in Oregon and I started in 1996-93. We are still living in Oregon these days! God still speaks to people in dreams today like He did 2000 yrs ago! I am not alone in this experience. It happened to me twice when I was 17 yrs old, when God spoke and direct my life/future in dreams while I was sleeping.
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Post by chuck on Jan 22, 2020 22:39:16 GMT -5
Apart from Wally, does anyone else think that Nathan represents the church of the workers and friends? I say he doesn't. Far from it. Well certainly not the church as it was when I left it. That's for sure. And the worker that posted here for awhile last year also was not a representative of the Truth group as it was when I left it. His manner shocked me to be honest. One might suggest he is worshipping something else? Definitely not the kingdom of the Son!. For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, - Colossians 1:13 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians1:13&version=NIV
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 22, 2020 23:32:28 GMT -5
It appears the only way Ananias knew Paul or Saul of Tarsus was he’d been persecuting, imprisoning, beating and killing the s Christ followers. He’d mentioned that to Jesus then Jesus said that Paul was a chosen vessel to him and that Paul must suffer many things in the name of Christ. If I’m too trusting you’re far too quick to find fault. We’ve watched you go from agnostic to critic atheist, and I find it a very ugly picture, Snow. You’re better then that. Far better! This what we know about Ananias from the bible. "A second Ananias in the Bible played a part in the conversion story of the apostle Paul. After Saul of Tarsus was struck blind on the road to Damascus, he was led to the home of Judas on Straight Street. Three days later, Jesus spoke in a vision to a disciple in Damascus named Ananias. The Lord told him to go to Saul, but Ananias was afraid. He was keenly aware of Saul’s unyielding persecution of the believers in Jerusalem and his intended persecution in Damascus. God reassured Ananias, saying, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must suffer for my name” (Acts 9:15–16).
Ananias obeyed God and found the recently converted Saul. He laid hands on him and prayed, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 9:17). Immediately, Saul was healed of his blindness and was baptized."
People certainly have the right to believe this is true and actually happened if they want to believe it, -but to me it was just penned by Luke who wrote Acts and gave Paul the status that Paul now has in Christianity
Luke probably believed it to be true himself and was NOT trying to be deceptive! Probably Paul himself believed it as well!
But that doesn't make it TRUE! It is impossible for something like that to really have happened! You all know that and I know that it is impossible!
If someone claimed this sort of thing happened to someone today we would say they were having delusions; -that they were mentally ill and needed help! However, in that day the people believed such things were the normal and COULD happen!
Other people in the world outside of that time also believed such paranormal incidents could happen!
People! We live in the 21 century! If you are going to insist that such things really did happen over two thousand ago in that one small place in the whole world, -then you need to accept the same kind of paranormal incidents happened in the rest of the world!
DO YOU?Who says I don’t believe paranormal incidents don’t occur anywhere?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 22, 2020 23:33:49 GMT -5
Well certainly not the church as it was when I left it. That's for sure. And the worker that posted here for awhile last year also was not a representative of the Truth group as it was when I left it. His manner shocked me to be honest. One might suggest he is worshipping something else? Definitely not the kingdom of the Son!. For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, - Colossians 1:13 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians1:13&version=NIVNathan has two or three worlds mixed together. He doesn’t seem to know how to separate them..
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 22, 2020 23:46:19 GMT -5
This what we know about Ananias from the bible. "A second Ananias in the Bible played a part in the conversion story of the apostle Paul. After Saul of Tarsus was struck blind on the road to Damascus, he was led to the home of Judas on Straight Street. Three days later, Jesus spoke in a vision to a disciple in Damascus named Ananias. The Lord told him to go to Saul, but Ananias was afraid. He was keenly aware of Saul’s unyielding persecution of the believers in Jerusalem and his intended persecution in Damascus. God reassured Ananias, saying, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must suffer for my name” (Acts 9:15–16).
Ananias obeyed God and found the recently converted Saul. He laid hands on him and prayed, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 9:17). Immediately, Saul was healed of his blindness and was baptized."
People certainly have the right to believe this is true and actually happened if they want to believe it, -but to me it was just penned by Luke who wrote Acts and gave Paul the status that Paul now has in Christianity
Luke probably believed it to be true himself and was NOT trying to be deceptive! Probably Paul himself believed it as well!
But that doesn't make it TRUE! It is impossible for something like that to really have happened! You all know that and I know that it is impossible!
If someone claimed this sort of thing happened to someone today we would say they were having delusions; -that they were mentally ill and needed help! However, in that day the people believed such things were the normal and COULD happen!
Other people in the world outside of that time also believed such paranormal incidents could happen!
People! We live in the 21 century! If you are going to insist that such things really did happen over two thousand ago in that one small place in the whole world, -then you need to accept the same kind of paranormal incidents happened in the rest of the world!
DO YOU? Who says I don’t believe paranormal incidents don’t occur anywhere? I do! -and as nurse you should to!
If something is talking as if they are having a conversation with another person and there is no one there, they are ill! They are NOT talking to a supernatural being!
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Post by Grant on Jan 23, 2020 0:18:10 GMT -5
Speak, I would recognise this as a Church if it has: a distinct legal existence and religious history, a recognized creed and form of worship, established places of worship a regular congregation and regular religious services, and an organization of ordained ministers I believe the 2x2s have all them.
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Post by Grant on Jan 23, 2020 0:26:35 GMT -5
It's unhealthy for any group to agree on everything. We must agree in spirit. So do you agree in Spirit what Nathan posts? Is being of one accord accepting false teaching? Are you in one accord with Nathan or fixit?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 0:55:13 GMT -5
Speak, I would recognise this as a Church if it has: a distinct legal existence and religious history, a recognized creed and form of worship, established places of worship a regular congregation and regular religious services, and an organization of ordained ministers I believe the 2x2s have all them. Sorry Enuf, but they don't have a documented creed, and certainly don't have ordained Ministers.
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Post by speak on Jan 23, 2020 1:18:28 GMT -5
So do you agree in Spirit what Nathan posts? Is being of one accord accepting false teaching? Are you in one accord with Nathan or fixit?If it agrees with Christs Spirit. Anyone can agree, accept false teaching that is why there is the Holy Spirit to help one to decern right from wrong. On things to do with Christ yes.
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Post by speak on Jan 23, 2020 1:26:10 GMT -5
I believe the 2x2s have all them. Sorry Enuf, but they don't have a documented creed, and certainly don't have ordained Ministers. Did Christ have those? if then those are not of God.
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Post by speak on Jan 23, 2020 1:27:33 GMT -5
Speak, I would recognise this as a Church if it has: a distinct legal existence and religious history, a recognized creed and form of worship, established places of worship a regular congregation and regular religious services, and an organization of ordained ministers Then the church you recognise is not of God. By the way the original meaning for church was a gathering.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 23, 2020 1:41:34 GMT -5
When Workers retire they apply for the Age Pension. They should have their own Superannuation Scheme. They don't get that in this country. But rather than let them starve to death, they can do what the drags on society do, apply for social assistance.
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Post by nathan on Jan 23, 2020 2:19:08 GMT -5
Nathan has two or three worlds mixed together. He doesn’t seem to know how to separate them.. I KNOW what I am talking about. It's you who don't know because of your unbelief on these things.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 23, 2020 3:21:02 GMT -5
Nathan has two or three worlds mixed together. He doesn’t seem to know how to separate them.. I KNOW what I am talking about. It's you who don't know because of your unbelief on these things.😄😄😜
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 23, 2020 3:23:46 GMT -5
So do you agree in Spirit what Nathan posts? Is being of one accord accepting false teaching? Are you in one accord with Nathan or fixit?If it agrees with Christs Spirit. Anyone can agree, accept false teaching that is why there is the Holy Spirit to help one to decern right from wrong. On things to do with Christ yes. Are you saying you are "in one accord" with both nathan and fixit, speak ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 3:27:19 GMT -5
So do you agree in Spirit what Nathan posts? Is being of one accord accepting false teaching? Are you in one accord with Nathan or fixit?If it agrees with Christs Spirit. Anyone can agree, accept false teaching that is why there is the Holy Spirit to help one to decern right from wrong. On things to do with Christ yes. So.. you believe Speak, that Christ lives in the middle of the planet Venus. And the good looking nice smelling Angels.....and commander Thor etc They have been stated by Nathan, all to do with Christ.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 3:40:08 GMT -5
If it agrees with Christs Spirit. Anyone can agree, accept false teaching that is why there is the Holy Spirit to help one to decern right from wrong. On things to do with Christ yes. So.. you believe Speak, that Christ lives in the middle of the planet Venus. And the good looking nice smelling Angels.....and commander Thor etc They have been stated by Nathan, all to do with Christ. one has to have the ability to separate the alien theory from regular christian talk, try it sometime....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 3:45:51 GMT -5
So.. you believe Speak, that Christ lives in the middle of the planet Venus. And the good looking nice smelling Angels.....and commander Thor etc They have been stated by Nathan, all to do with Christ. one has to have the ability to separate the alien theory from regular christian talk, try it sometime.... Well you know he intermingles it. Try telling him to ‘try it’ sometime ! Where’s your tough love you speak of?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 3:51:43 GMT -5
one has to have the ability to separate the alien theory from regular christian talk, try it sometime.... Well you know he intermingles it. Try telling him to ‘try it’ sometime ! Where’s your tough love you speak of? nathan knows my stance on the alien theory and never broaches it with me...tough love in action...
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Post by Grant on Jan 23, 2020 4:01:54 GMT -5
Well you know he intermingles it. Try telling him to ‘try it’ sometime ! Where’s your tough love you speak of? nathan knows my stance on the alien theory and never broaches it with me...tough love in action... How can you be of one accord with someone who believes Jesus lives inside venus. It is offensive to Christians. The workers pride themselves by being of the same mind. Nathan is not of the same mind. You do not challenge Nathan on it but are quick to challenge exes on many things. I have not seen you show any tough love to Nathan. Not believing 'his way out claims' is not showing tough love.
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Post by Grant on Jan 23, 2020 4:16:00 GMT -5
I believe the 2x2s have all them. Sorry Enuf, but they don't have a documented creed, and certainly don't have ordained Ministers. They have a recognized creed. They preach their creeds and there are many convention notes with it in. 2x2, non married ministry, church in the home, etc. Just they have not called it an offical statement of faith but it's official and preached none the less. They are a church, a separate denomination and organisation. The workers might not have been to college but they are ordained in the sense of being accepted and set aside for the work of their church. Workers/ministers and members are separated by name and rank. Someone in their church can not just go out preaching but they have to apply for the job and be accepted into the ministry. Treated as laity.
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