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Post by reborn on Dec 12, 2019 13:40:17 GMT -5
Yes, bad joke. Sorry to any I might have offended there. I take the word of God personally to heart. I don’t want to end up on the wrong end of wrath. I need a ton of forgiveness for sure! I'm pretty sure when theists wish us to feel the wrath of their god and want to be there when judgement day comes so they can see our faces when we're thrown into hell, they aren't joking. If you were, you'd be the first. No, I wish/ desire/ pray that we all, Including myself- make peace with God. Jesus is that way.
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Post by Annan on Dec 12, 2019 13:41:31 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure when theists wish us to feel the wrath of their god and want to be there when judgement day comes so they can see our faces when we're thrown into hell, they aren't joking. With that attitude, I highly doubt they'll be going to heaven. I have friends who say they can't wait to see karma bite someone in the butt. Obviously they have no clue what karma is, but so much for wishing bad karma on themselves.
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Post by reborn on Dec 12, 2019 13:50:30 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure when theists wish us to feel the wrath of their god and want to be there when judgement day comes so they can see our faces when we're thrown into hell, they aren't joking. With that attitude, I highly doubt they'll be going to heaven. I have friends who say they can't wait to see karma bite someone in the butt. Obviously they have no clue what karma is, but so much for wishing bad karma on themselves. Since Karma is not a word that I use, I won’t speak using it. The Bible does speak about reaping what you sow though. So understanding that it is imperative to a Christian to sow the words of life. I don’t always get it right. One always has the ability to sow in the flesh, which I have been guilty of for sure. God corrects me though, and grants repentance so I can rise again and sow correctly. 😊
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Post by snow on Dec 12, 2019 14:20:28 GMT -5
Why is it that when Christians do bad things they aren't Christians, and they get labelled as godless or atheists? The popes have been one of the biggest cause of death and they definitely identify as Christian, doing gods work. That doesn't seem to me to be honest. Christians can do bad things just like atheists. We don't get to say they weren't atheists if they were, so why do you get to say they aren't Christian if they were? The little bit that I have pondered on this has me thinking that often times things are done “ In the name of religion” rather than being led by God. Well I have to agree with that. If the God you believe in is really one of love mercy and forgiveness it's pretty obvious that Christians are just justifying what they do by using their religion. However, the sad thing is that they aren't all that far off base in how they acted because there are parts of the bible that definitely do justify genocides and other killings for their God. I recognize that many Christians today no longer have that mindset, but the Christians of the Crusades, the inquisition and other holy wars that were Christians on both sides or the war, all believed what they were doing they were doing for their version of God. So what it seems to boil down to his just what version of the Christian God his followers identify with.
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Post by snow on Dec 12, 2019 14:21:45 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure when theists wish us to feel the wrath of their god and want to be there when judgement day comes so they can see our faces when we're thrown into hell, they aren't joking. If you were, you'd be the first. No, I wish/ desire/ pray that we all, Including myself- make peace with God. Jesus is that way. I will take you at your word. Thank you for caring. To respond to your joke, I prefer Crispy...
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 15:55:08 GMT -5
God works best with broken hearts....and the purest Gold comes from the hottest fire.... And that my dear is utter BS. Would you come to Thor if you were going through a bad time? Allah? No, and it's because you don't believe they exist. So how in the world do you think an atheist is going to be tempted to be a theist of something that does not exist for them? Exactly the reaction prophesied in Revelations.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 15:58:55 GMT -5
She is saying we are like chicken, KFC to be exact. Yes, bad joke. Sorry to any I might have offended there. I take the word of God personally to heart. I don’t want to end up on the wrong end of wrath. I need a ton of forgiveness for sure! I’m sorry I didn’t find my quote quick enough to delete it!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 16:00:40 GMT -5
If I don’t stand with God, then I’m not his. I disagree. I don't think you need to have so much hostility against those who believe differently from you because you think your God needs protection. I think that is a chosen stance. I don’t consider it hostility but defending righteousness.
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Post by reborn on Dec 12, 2019 16:01:13 GMT -5
Yes, bad joke. Sorry to any I might have offended there. I take the word of God personally to heart. I don’t want to end up on the wrong end of wrath. I need a ton of forgiveness for sure! I’m sorry I didn’t find my quote quick enough to delete it! I have apologized. I certainly don’t want to offend anyone. My bad.
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Post by snow on Dec 12, 2019 16:01:27 GMT -5
And that my dear is utter BS. Would you come to Thor if you were going through a bad time? Allah? No, and it's because you don't believe they exist. So how in the world do you think an atheist is going to be tempted to be a theist of something that does not exist for them? Exactly the reaction prophesied in Revelations. Noted. As interpreted by STR. Tell me STR, why would I go to something for comfort if I didn't believe it existed? Would you? That was my question above. But once again you need to make someone out to be wrong because of course you are right.
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Post by snow on Dec 12, 2019 16:03:47 GMT -5
I disagree. I don't think you need to have so much hostility against those who believe differently from you because you think your God needs protection. I think that is a chosen stance. I don’t consider it hostility but defending righteousness. But if we say what we think we're being hostile and picking on you. I think I understand now. If I state what I believe it's hostile. If you state what you believe in a hostile way it's just defending righteousness. Got it.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 16:06:46 GMT -5
Not incensed? Sure reads that way with post upon post why with little tidbits like calling bats birds is the reason not to trust the Bible. Sheesh! How petty! You forget the writers were from many, many years ago before such genre or classifications had been figured out. That’s like calling a 1850’s history book totally unreliable because it doesn’t address the Gulf war! STR, you forget. The bible is from a God that created everything. You'd think he might know. A history book is not a prophecy book and it's written by men not inspired by a God. Not a good analogy. As I said before, the thrust or gist of the message was not about classification of birds and mammals. Many people of that day would have seen the bats “flying” and assumed them birds or fowl. I find your preoccupation over God’s lack of saying, “BTW, while you’re giving my people my directions in what is good and safe for them to eat; please give them a lesson on the difference in flying objects.” That’s pure pettiness when you then further say that’s reason not to trust anything the Bible says!
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Post by snow on Dec 12, 2019 16:08:10 GMT -5
I’m sorry I didn’t find my quote quick enough to delete it! I have apologized. I certainly don’t want to offend anyone. My bad. It's quite alright. No offence was taken. In fact when I read it I chuckled. But what STR said is typical on here recently by a few members. It seems as though they really want to see our faces when we're chucked into hell. All because we don't believe and have an opinion that they don't agree with.
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Post by snow on Dec 12, 2019 16:09:36 GMT -5
STR, you forget. The bible is from a God that created everything. You'd think he might know. A history book is not a prophecy book and it's written by men not inspired by a God. Not a good analogy. As I said before, the thrust or gist of the message was not about classification of birds and mammals. Many people of that day would have seen the bats “flying” and assumed them birds or fowl. I find your preoccupation over God’s lack of saying, “BTW, while you’re giving my people my directions in what is good and safe for them to eat; please give them a lesson on the difference in flying objects.” That’s pure pettiness when you then further say that’s reason not to trust anything the Bible says! Sigh. You've entirely missed the point. Agree to disagree once again.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 16:14:49 GMT -5
I’m not saying anything about suffering in that comment, I’m literally hoping that someday you’ll realize all the scoffing and scorning you’ve heaped upon the Bible, God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the believers will come home to where you’ll realize just how wrong you are! Otherwords if you don’t believe the Bible then leave it alone period. Don’t question it. For it sure looks like you truly aren’t sure of what you believe when you do nothing but scoff and scorn anything to do with the Bible. Most people who don’t believe/like something and haven’t the power to change it just leave it alone! And just what do you think we'd be doing if we were feeling Gods wrath? Having a picnic? If there is a Christian God, he's a wrathful jealous God that has no trouble making those who don't believe in him suffer. Of course we'd be suffering. Why should you be able to quote your bible and then say we can't comment? That is rather biased don't you think? I don’t expect or want anyone to suffer except in their conscious but if it takes God’s wrath to bring them to that place, how can that be disputed? We’ve been shown long years of mercy by God’s more or less silence since Jesus came and died for the sins of mankind; but you wouldn’t have waited over 2000 years to get your children’s attention even if it finally got to where it had to be tough love; now would you? This is not what you consider when you read about the wrathful God in the OT. WHY IS. HE BEING WRATHFUL! He knows where his children are taking themselves to, he’d like to stop them before it’s too late.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 16:19:14 GMT -5
As I said before, the thrust or gist of the message was not about classification of birds and mammals. Many people of that day would have seen the bats “flying” and assumed them birds or fowl. I find your preoccupation over God’s lack of saying, “BTW, while you’re giving my people my directions in what is good and safe for them to eat; please give them a lesson on the difference in flying objects.” That’s pure pettiness when you then further say that’s reason not to trust anything the Bible says! Sigh. You've entirely missed the point. Agree to disagree once again. You’re the one who keeps missing the point. You’re trying to tell everyone the Bible should have been written with the code of intelligence that’s known today and not what was average knowledge in the day it was written. Snow, the Bible was written by human men, God told them what about to write, he would not have dictated it word for word like the tablets of stone of the Ten Commandments.
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Post by snow on Dec 12, 2019 16:23:32 GMT -5
And just what do you think we'd be doing if we were feeling Gods wrath? Having a picnic? If there is a Christian God, he's a wrathful jealous God that has no trouble making those who don't believe in him suffer. Of course we'd be suffering. Why should you be able to quote your bible and then say we can't comment? That is rather biased don't you think? I don’t expect or want anyone to suffer except in their conscious but if it takes God’s wrath to bring them to that place, how can that be disputed? We’ve been shown long years of mercy by God’s more or less silence since Jesus came and died for the sins of mankind; but you wouldn’t have waited over 2000 years to get your children’s attention even if it finally got to where it had to be tough love; now would you? This is not what you consider when you read about the wrathful God in the OT. WHY IS. HE BEING WRATHFUL! He knows where his children are taking themselves to, he’d like to stop them before it’s too late. STR it can certainly be disputed. Do you actually believe that a Hindu, Muslim or an atheist is going to come to your Christian God when times get tough? Really? Don't you have any concept whatsoever that people who don't believe in the Christian God don't care one whit about that God? That the Christian God is totally irrelevant to them and does not exist? You believe in the Christian God, so naturally it's the God that will provide you with comfort and who you believe exists. But the rest of the world doesn't believe in the Christian God, that it exists or has any relevance in their lives. Yet you seem to think it indisputable that they would come to your version of God in tough times? When times get tough do you turn to Allah? No. Why? Because he is irrelevant to you. He's not part of your belief system.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 16:24:02 GMT -5
Exactly the reaction prophesied in Revelations. Noted. As interpreted by STR. Tell me STR, why would I go to something for comfort if I didn't believe it existed? Would you? That was my question above. But once again you need to make someone out to be wrong because of course you are right. It’s not that Um right but the Bible says it’ll be that way. Revelation 16:8-9 King James Version (KJV) 8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
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Post by snow on Dec 12, 2019 16:24:15 GMT -5
Sigh. You've entirely missed the point. Agree to disagree once again. You’re the one who keeps missing the point. You’re trying to tell everyone the Bible should have been written with the code of intelligence that’s known today and not what was average knowledge in the day it was written. Snow, the Bible was written by human men, God told them what about to write, he would not have dictated it word for word like the tablets of stone of the Ten Commandments. So the bible can be wrong is what you're saying?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 16:24:56 GMT -5
I don’t expect or want anyone to suffer except in their conscious but if it takes God’s wrath to bring them to that place, how can that be disputed? We’ve been shown long years of mercy by God’s more or less silence since Jesus came and died for the sins of mankind; but you wouldn’t have waited over 2000 years to get your children’s attention even if it finally got to where it had to be tough love; now would you? This is not what you consider when you read about the wrathful God in the OT. WHY IS. HE BEING WRATHFUL! He knows where his children are taking themselves to, he’d like to stop them before it’s too late. STR is can certainly be disputed. Do you actually believe that a Hindu, Muslim or an atheist is going to come to your Christian God when times get tough? Really? Don't you have any concept whatsoever that people who don't believe in the Christian God don't care one whit about that God? That the Christian God is totally irrelevant to them and does not exist? You believe in the Christian God, so naturally it's the God that will provide you with comfort and who you believe exists. But the rest of the world doesn't believe in the Christian God, that it exists or has any relevance in their lives. Yet you seem to think it indisputable that they would come to your version of God in tough times? When times get tough do you turn to Allah? No. Why? Because he is irrelevant to you. He's not part of your belief system. I know Muslims pray to Allah in times of need.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 16:27:30 GMT -5
You’re the one who keeps missing the point. You’re trying to tell everyone the Bible should have been written with the code of intelligence that’s known today and not what was average knowledge in the day it was written. Snow, the Bible was written by human men, God told them what about to write, he would not have dictated it word for word like the tablets of stone of the Ten Commandments. So the bible can be wrong is what you're saying? Wrong only in the sense it was written to be applied to people of an age or time that understood the message. And any succeeding age or time that’s gained knowledge should use that knowledge to realize the times it was written in were not as advanced in certain specifics as they are.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 12, 2019 19:34:15 GMT -5
Well, -so much for your opinion.
In those religious massacres both sides were Christians Christians don't kill so they weren't Christians. Godless Christians will kill anyone.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 12, 2019 19:36:10 GMT -5
You are joking aren't you speak !!! No joke. You show me one person who is/was a follower of Christ who is a killer. Being a Christian doesn't mean you're either godly or a follower of Christ. "Christian" is just a cultural category.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 12, 2019 19:38:44 GMT -5
Oh so none of the men who fought in any of the Wars were Christians ? Wow speak !!! So does that mean you owe your freedom to "athiests" !!!!! Many who were in the war did not fight. One cannot be a follower of Christ and kill, He has made that very clear. But there is the provision of repentance. I heard once in Sunday meeting, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition." I saw a few startled looks in the room.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 21:56:58 GMT -5
God works best with broken hearts....and the purest Gold comes from the hottest fire.... And that my dear is utter BS. Would you come to Thor if you were going through a bad time? Allah? No, and it's because you don't believe they exist. So how in the world do you think an atheist is going to be tempted to be a theist of something that does not exist for them? having been raised in a non-God(i would say atheistic) environment from 2-14 it was from a broken heart status i accepted God...
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 12, 2019 22:31:17 GMT -5
Well, -so much for your opinion.
In those religious massacres both sides were Christians Christians don't kill so they weren't Christians. Yes? Well who do you believe the real Christians at the time of the Inquisition?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
The Inquisition was a group of institutions within the Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy. The Inquisition started in 12th-century France to combat religious dissent, in particular the Cathars and the Waldensians. Other groups investigated later included the Spiritual Franciscans, the Hussites (followers of Jan Hus) and the Beguines. Beginning in the 1250s, inquisitors were generally chosen from members of the Dominican Order, replacing the earlier practice of using local clergy as judges.[1] The term Medieval Inquisition covers these courts up to mid-15th century.
Notice the time period cover about 200 years. Who do think were the real "Christians" at that time among those other "Christians" stated in above papagraph?
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Post by matisse on Dec 14, 2019 12:56:03 GMT -5
And that my dear is utter BS. Would you come to Thor if you were going through a bad time? Allah? No, and it's because you don't believe they exist. So how in the world do you think an atheist is going to be tempted to be a theist of something that does not exist for them? having been raised in a non-God(i would say atheistic) environment from 2-14 it was from a broken heart status i accepted God... Interesting. My heart broke when I realized the god I had fervently believed in didn't exist and never had.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 14, 2019 13:44:18 GMT -5
having been raised in a non-God(i would say atheistic) environment from 2-14 it was from a broken heart status i accepted God... Interesting. My heart broke when I realized the god I had fervently believed in didn't exist and never had. I feel for you. When I figured out that god was a con invented by humans I was quite annoyed with myself for falling for such a scam and wasting so many years on it when I could have been doing stuff far more fruitful.
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