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Post by speak on Dec 10, 2019 22:15:12 GMT -5
Man have you gone batty over this bird thing. So what if the bat is mentioned in the bird verse? The point was it was not to be eaten, it didn't matter if it had wings or a jet engine it was a flying creature. If you keep straining at such trivialities you will give yourself an a hernia. Shall we talk about the palm then, or would you rather palm that off too. WEIRD
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Post by speak on Dec 10, 2019 22:19:28 GMT -5
I think the point is this. If the bible that is written by man inspired by God is wrong about simple things like bats and palms, how can one trust the more important parts to be true either? Funny isn't it that some get so rattled about little problems, fancy having to live your life like that. Thought you people were free? but so burdened by bats and palms
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2019 22:27:18 GMT -5
I think the point is this. If the bible that is written by man inspired by God is wrong about simple things like bats and palms, how can one trust the more important parts to be true either? Funny isn't it that some get so rattled about little problems, fancy having to live your life like that. Thought you people were free? but so burdened by bats and palms Personally, I'm not concerned about it at all. Nothing the bible states has impact on my life anymore and for me, yes that's freedom.
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Post by speak on Dec 10, 2019 22:30:05 GMT -5
Funny isn't it that some get so rattled about little problems, fancy having to live your life like that. Thought you people were free? but so burdened by bats and palms Personally, I'm not concerned about it at all. Nothing the bible states has impact on my life anymore and for me, yes that's freedom. So why write what you write because it is impacting on your life whether you know it or not?
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2019 22:45:56 GMT -5
Personally, I'm not concerned about it at all. Nothing the bible states has impact on my life anymore and for me, yes that's freedom. So why write what you write because it is impacting on your life whether you know it or not? Because it came up in conversation on here. It doesn't impact my life. I've never thought about it at all until Curly posted about it. The only impact on my life from the bible is when theists try to make all citizens live under their beliefs that come out of the bible or the koran etc. I don't appreciate that in the least and yes, that does impact my life. I wish they would stop trying to change laws to meet their personal sacred books beliefs. So maybe you're right. The Koran and the Bible do impact my life because their believers try to impact my life.
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 11, 2019 0:17:25 GMT -5
So why write what you write because it is impacting on your life whether you know it or not? Because it came up in conversation on here. It doesn't impact my life. I've never thought about it at all until Curly posted about it. The only impact on my life from the bible is when theists try to make all citizens live under their beliefs that come out of the bible or the koran etc. I don't appreciate that in the least and yes, that does impact my life. I wish they would stop trying to change laws to meet their personal sacred books beliefs. So maybe you're right. The Koran and the Bible do impact my life because their believers try to impact my life. What are some examples of laws changed in Canada to exclusively meet believers convictions ? Alvin
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Post by snow on Dec 11, 2019 14:16:42 GMT -5
Because it came up in conversation on here. It doesn't impact my life. I've never thought about it at all until Curly posted about it. The only impact on my life from the bible is when theists try to make all citizens live under their beliefs that come out of the bible or the koran etc. I don't appreciate that in the least and yes, that does impact my life. I wish they would stop trying to change laws to meet their personal sacred books beliefs. So maybe you're right. The Koran and the Bible do impact my life because their believers try to impact my life. What are some examples of laws changed in Canada to exclusively meet believers convictions ? Alvin I'm not aware of any yet. I said try. Canada is very good at separating church and state. We do have to fight to keep it that way. It's not like theists in Canada haven't tried to block gay marriage, abortion etc. And we have to fight Muslims trying to get Sharia law in place in their communities. I am glad to be a Canadian citizen because so far it doesn't impact us too much. And now that churches are starting to have to pay some taxes, that is becoming fairer too. But in the US it is impacting atheists lives with all the new laws stating that you can't get an abortion even in cases of rape and incest. The new law that is going to put many women at risk if they have an ectopic pregnancy and the doctors are now mandated by law to remove it and try and implant it into the womb or get charged with murder.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 17:15:43 GMT -5
What are some examples of laws changed in Canada to exclusively meet believers convictions ? Alvin I'm not aware of any yet. I said try. Canada is very good at separating church and state. We do have to fight to keep it that way. It's not like theists in Canada haven't tried to block gay marriage, abortion etc. And we have to fight Muslims trying to get Sharia law in place in their communities. I am glad to be a Canadian citizen because so far it doesn't impact us too much And now that churches are starting to have to pay some taxes, that is becoming fairer too. But in the US it is impacting atheists lives with all the new laws stating that you can't get an abortion even in cases of rape and incest. The new law that is going to put many women at risk if they have an ectopic pregnancy and the doctors are now mandated by law to remove it and try and implant it into the womb or get charged with murder. We in the United States are having to constantly be on the alert to fundamentalist Christians trying to insert their laws that would take away the rights of others that are not of the Christian belief system It is a constant barrage to take away a woman's right to choose what to do with their own body. Also, they are constantly trying to insert their religious "creationism" view into our public schools biology classes. (BTW, Vice President has already done that when he was Governor of Indiana.)
We do have some very good organizations who work very hard to keep such impingements from taking hold.
The ACLU is an excellent one. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is a nonprofit organization whose stated mission is "to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Union
Another is the Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Americans United for Separation of Church and State (Americans United or AU for short) is a nonprofit organization that advocates separation of church and state. The separation of church and state in the United States is often accepted to be provided in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Americans United describes itself as officially non-sectarian and non-partisan. According to The Praeger Handbook of Religion and Education in the United States "It includes members from a broad religious, and non-religious, spectrum, including Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and atheists." Its national headquarters are in Washington, D.C. Its former executive director, Barry W. Lynn, is an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ,[9] as well as an attorney involved with civil liberties issues.
I particularly like this one because it is so inclusive for the rights of both the religious as well as none religious, as well as ALL religions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_United_for_Separation_of_Church_and_State
Yet another: The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF)
The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) is an American non-profit organization based in Madison, Wisconsin, with members from all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico The largest national organization advocating for non-theists, FFRF promotes the separation of church and state and educates the public on matters relating to atheism, agnosticism, and nontheism. The FFRF publishes a newspaper, Freethought Today, 10 times a year. Since 2006, as the Freethought Radio Network, FFRF has produced the Freethought Radio show. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_From_Religion_Foundation
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 11, 2019 18:11:17 GMT -5
Funny isn't it that some get so rattled about little problems, fancy having to live your life like that. Thought you people were free? but so burdened by bats and palms Personally, I'm not concerned about it at all. Nothing the bible states has impact on my life anymore and for me, yes that's freedom. What I don’t understand is IF YOURE NOT bothered about it why mention it? It is it just a modus operandi to put doubt on the Bible? Isn’t that your real reason to keep posting adverse comments about biblical scriptures?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 11, 2019 18:14:24 GMT -5
So why write what you write because it is impacting on your life whether you know it or not? Because it came up in conversation on here. It doesn't impact my life. I've never thought about it at all until Curly posted about it. The only impact on my life from the bible is when theists try to make all citizens live under their beliefs that come out of the bible or the koran etc. I don't appreciate that in the least and yes, that does impact my life. I wish they would stop trying to change laws to meet their personal sacred books beliefs. So maybe you're right. The Koran and the Bible do impact my life because their believers try to impact my life. Why take your angst out in us here in TMB? We’re not trying to affect your desires for your life, as far as we’re concerned you just go ahead and live like you desire!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 11, 2019 18:23:51 GMT -5
I think the point is this. If the bible that is written by man inspired by God is wrong about simple things like bats and palms, how can one trust the more important parts to be true either? I think the point is here that people are becoming incensed over the description given many thousands of years ago when there wasn’t the known classification of birds/ mammals that we know now. Please pardon the writer who had other important things on his mind then being sure to classify every creature according to scientific data that wasn’t available in those days This is pure idiocy to make a big deal about it. And no I don’t think God had in mind at that time it was important to make sure classifications of birds and mammals be mentioned in this particular instance. After all, he wanted something left for the wise and prudent to do in the years to come or they’d be up building another Tower of Babel!
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 11, 2019 20:10:02 GMT -5
Because it came up in conversation on here. It doesn't impact my life. I've never thought about it at all until Curly posted about it. The only impact on my life from the bible is when theists try to make all citizens live under their beliefs that come out of the bible or the koran etc. I don't appreciate that in the least and yes, that does impact my life. I wish they would stop trying to change laws to meet their personal sacred books beliefs. So maybe you're right. The Koran and the Bible do impact my life because their believers try to impact my life. Why take your angst out in us here in TMB? We’re not trying to affect your desires for your life, as far as we’re concerned you just go ahead and live like you desire! So if you're not concerned about what atheists believe, why scold atheists for responding when you're really concerned about other Christians? If you are going to share scriptures with atheists, expect to get their interpretations in response. If this were a gospel meeting, they would understand that they aren't here to sit silently.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 20:48:50 GMT -5
Because it came up in conversation on here. It doesn't impact my life. I've never thought about it at all until Curly posted about it. The only impact on my life from the bible is when theists try to make all citizens live under their beliefs that come out of the bible or the koran etc. I don't appreciate that in the least and yes, that does impact my life. I wish they would stop trying to change laws to meet their personal sacred books beliefs. So maybe you're right. The Koran and the Bible do impact my life because their believers try to impact my life. Why take your angst out in us here in TMB? We’re not trying to affect your desires for your life, as far as we’re concerned you just go ahead and live like you desire! Everyone who attempts to make over a society into a religious society certainly does affect every one of us. TMB is a discussion board and therefore it is a part of our present day society.
There are some here who would insist that we believe in their unsubstantiated claims that has no reality in todays world, -claims that are counter to the rational critical thinking that is needed for the decisions mankind needs to make in today's world.
If that is isn't causing people angst it should be!
To try to put the blame onto atheists for not believing in unsubstantiated claims of paranormal & supernatural incidents in the bible is akin to blaming us for not believing in other supernatural paranormal claims that have no proof either; e.g., astrology, extrasensory perception, telepathy, spiritualism, ghosts ufology!
Do you, STR, or any others here also believe in any of THOSE?
Believing in the resurrection of a dead person and that person being taken up bodily into the sky qualifies as a "supernatural paranormal claim" in my way of thinking.
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Post by reborn on Dec 11, 2019 21:02:01 GMT -5
Why take your angst out in us here in TMB? We’re not trying to affect your desires for your life, as far as we’re concerned you just go ahead and live like you desire! Everyone who attempts to make over a society into a religious society certainly does affect every one of us. TMB is a discussion board and therefore it is a part of our present day society.
There are some here who would insist that we believe in their unsubstantiated claims that has no reality in todays world, -claims that are counter to the rational critical thinking that is needed for the decisions mankind needs to make in today's world.
If that is isn't causing people angst it should be!
To try to put the blame onto atheists for not believing in unsubstantiated claims of paranormal & supernatural incidents in the bible is akin to blaming us for not believing in other supernatural paranormal claims that have no proof either; e.g., astrology, extrasensory perception, telepathy, spiritualism, ghosts ufology!
Do you, STR, or any others here also believe in any of THOSE?
Believing in the resurrection of a dead person and that person being taken up bodily into the sky qualifies as a "supernatural paranormal claim" in my way of thinking.
Sounds to me like you feel threatened? Goodness! Might want to tone it down before Bob accuses you of being a charismatic atheist!
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 21:32:53 GMT -5
Everyone who attempts to make over a society into a religious society certainly does affect every one of us. TMB is a discussion board and therefore it is a part of our present day society.
There are some here who would insist that we believe in their unsubstantiated claims that has no reality in todays world, -claims that are counter to the rational critical thinking that is needed for the decisions mankind needs to make in today's world.
If that is isn't causing people angst it should be!
To try to put the blame onto atheists for not believing in unsubstantiated claims of paranormal & supernatural incidents in the bible is akin to blaming us for not believing in other supernatural paranormal claims that have no proof either; e.g., astrology, extrasensory perception, telepathy, spiritualism, ghosts ufology!
Do you, STR, or any others here also believe in any of THOSE?
Believing in the resurrection of a dead person and that person being taken up bodily into the sky qualifies as a "supernatural paranormal claim" in my way of thinking.
Sounds to me like you feel threatened? Goodness! You are right, I do feel threatened.
And goodness! -you should also feel threatened as well! Because all theocracy attempts affect what you are able to believe as well.
If you think you will like it, -remember how many different Christian denominations there are in the US. Which one will they choose? Who will hold the power to decide?
Don't people realize that it may NOT be THEIR own particular Christian beliefs that will be the rule? But since whichever doctrine of Christianity that is decided, those that decide that will also the ones making the laws that you will have to obey whether you believe it is right or not'
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Post by reborn on Dec 11, 2019 21:36:01 GMT -5
Sounds to me like you feel threatened? Goodness! You are right, I do feel threatened.
And goodness! -you should also feel threatened as well! Because all theocracy attempts affect what you are able to believe as well.
If you think you will like it, -remember how many different Christian denominations there are in the US. Which one will they choose? Who will hold the power to decide?
Don't people realize that it may NOT be THEIR own particular Christian beliefs that will be the rule? But since whichever doctrine of Christianity that is decided, those that decide that will also the ones making the laws that you will have to obey whether you believe it is right or not'
Not worried in the slightest.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 21:39:34 GMT -5
You are right, I do feel threatened.
And goodness! -you should also feel threatened as well! Because all theocracy attempts affect what you are able to believe as well.
If you think you will like it, -remember how many different Christian denominations there are in the US. Which one will they choose? Who will hold the power to decide?
Don't people realize that it may NOT be THEIR own particular Christian beliefs that will be the rule? But since whichever doctrine of Christianity that is decided, those that decide that will also the ones making the laws that you will have to obey whether you believe it is right or not'
Not worried in the slightest. Too bad, you should be if you know anything about what has happened in history of theocracies and for that matter, even in some countries today.
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Post by reborn on Dec 11, 2019 21:43:25 GMT -5
Not worried in the slightest. Too bad, you should be if you know anything about what has happened in history of theocracies and for that matter, even in some countries today.I know that it will get fierce and ugly and terrible until God wraps it all up.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 21:56:49 GMT -5
Too bad, you should be if you know anything about what has happened in history of theocracies and for that matter, even in some countries today. I know that it will get fierce and ugly and terrible until God wraps it all up. Well, -it got 'fierce and ugly and terrible' many times in the past, the inquisitions, -the crusades, -to mention just two of the many caused by Christian theocracies and HE never "wrapped it all up" then, -so you still might have to live through another 'fierce and ugly and terrible' Christian theocracy and it still will not be "wrapped up."
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 11, 2019 21:58:05 GMT -5
Why take your angst out in us here in TMB? We’re not trying to affect your desires for your life, as far as we’re concerned you just go ahead and live like you desire! Everyone who attempts to make over a society into a religious society certainly does affect every one of us. TMB is a discussion board and therefore it is a part of our present day society.
There are some here who would insist that we believe in their unsubstantiated claims that has no reality in todays world, -claims that are counter to the rational critical thinking that is needed for the decisions mankind needs to make in today's world.
If that is isn't causing people angst it should be!
To try to put the blame onto atheists for not believing in unsubstantiated claims of paranormal & supernatural incidents in the bible is akin to blaming us for not believing in other supernatural paranormal claims that have no proof either; e.g., astrology, extrasensory perception, telepathy, spiritualism, ghosts ufology!
Do you, STR, or any others here also believe in any of THOSE?
Believing in the resurrection of a dead person and that person being taken up bodily into the sky qualifies as a "supernatural paranormal claim" in my way of thinking.
My point was I haven’t seen any evidence of anyone on TMB that’s trying to make over society, so why atheists do you want to bleed the believers on TMB dry. It’s hatred that’s marring you , that’s all!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 11, 2019 21:59:34 GMT -5
Too bad, you should be if you know anything about what has happened in history of theocracies and for that matter, even in some countries today. I know that it will get fierce and ugly and terrible until God wraps it all up. I hope they’re still alive when God shows them his wrath. Maybe then their hatred for believers can be turned onto themselves.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 11, 2019 22:01:39 GMT -5
Sounds to me like you feel threatened? Goodness! You are right, I do feel threatened.
And goodness! -you should also feel threatened as well! Because all theocracy attempts affect what you are able to believe as well.
If you think you will like it, -remember how many different Christian denominations there are in the US. Which one will they choose? Who will hold the power to decide?
Don't people realize that it may NOT be THEIR own particular Christian beliefs that will be the rule? But since whichever doctrine of Christianity that is decided, those that decide that will also the ones making the laws that you will have to obey whether you believe it is right or not'
I think your hatred for believers have made your perception of what really is happening skewed.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 11, 2019 22:04:10 GMT -5
Why take your angst out in us here in TMB? We’re not trying to affect your desires for your life, as far as we’re concerned you just go ahead and live like you desire! So if you're not concerned about what atheists believe, why scold atheists for responding when you're really concerned about other Christians? If you are going to share scriptures with atheists, expect to get their interpretations in response. If this were a gospel meeting, they would understand that they aren't here to sit silently. That makes no sense to what I was talking about.
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Post by speak on Dec 11, 2019 22:04:34 GMT -5
I know that it will get fierce and ugly and terrible until God wraps it all up. I hope they’re still alive when God shows them his wrath. Maybe then their hatred for believers can be turned into themselves. The thing is that we should want to show them love, isn't it?, that's what the Master has show.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 11, 2019 22:10:11 GMT -5
Not worried in the slightest. Too bad, you should be if you know anything about what has happened in history of theocracies and for that matter, even in some countries today.I don’t think you have anything to worry about in the US. The amount of religious people versus sceptics, agnostics, and atheists ad I-don’t -give-a-darn people is mighty low. The population of self centered, care less , iniquitous or purely evil people is taking over the world. Morals are reaching an all time low. How do you think we got such a corrupt administration? And a political party that’s bound and determined to not uphold the constitution in order to defend the criminal in office?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 11, 2019 22:10:52 GMT -5
I hope they’re still alive when God shows them his wrath. Maybe then their hatred for believers can be turned into themselves. Original or Crispy? 😛 I don’t get the correlation.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 11, 2019 22:12:34 GMT -5
I hope they’re still alive when God shows them his wrath. Maybe then their hatred for believers can be turned into themselves. The thing is that we should want to show them love, isn't it?, that's what the Master has show. Woe unto you PhArisees and scribes? He wasn’t so caring and soft with people that purposefully brought it on themselves. Now just be reasonable.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 11, 2019 22:15:00 GMT -5
Reborn, I had no intention of anyone being fried or broiled or whatever. When I said that they might turn they hatred for believers into themselves is saying they’d rue the day they refused to pay heed.
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