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Post by reborn on Dec 11, 2019 22:17:56 GMT -5
I know that it will get fierce and ugly and terrible until God wraps it all up. Well, -it got 'fierce and ugly and terrible' many times in the past, the inquisitions, -the crusades, -to mention just two of the many caused by Christian theocracies and HE never "wrapped it all up" then, -so you still might have to live through another 'fierce and ugly and terrible' Christian theocracy and it still will not be "wrapped up." Its his world!
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 22:24:50 GMT -5
Well, -it got 'fierce and ugly and terrible' many times in the past, the inquisitions, -the crusades, -to mention just two of the many caused by Christian theocracies and HE never "wrapped it all up" then, -so you still might have to live through another 'fierce and ugly and terrible' Christian theocracy and it still will not be "wrapped up." Its his world! Well, if it's HIS world, -HE sure doesn't seem to care as much about it as Christians seem to think that HE does!
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Post by reborn on Dec 11, 2019 22:28:09 GMT -5
Well, if it's HIS world, -HE sure doesn't seem to care as much about it as Christians seem to think that HE does! Oh yes he does!
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 22:45:05 GMT -5
You are right, I do feel threatened.
And goodness! -you should also feel threatened as well! Because all theocracy attempts affect what you are able to believe as well.
If you think you will like it, -remember how many different Christian denominations there are in the US. Which one will they choose? Who will hold the power to decide?
Don't people realize that it may NOT be THEIR own particular Christian beliefs that will be the rule? But since whichever doctrine of Christianity that is decided, those that decide that will also the ones making the laws that you will have to obey whether you believe it is right or not' I think your hatred for believers have made your perception of what really is happening skewed. You keep on accusing me of "hatred" for believers... if I really "hated" believers would I have said this in one of my posts? Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Americans United for Separation of Church and State (Americans United or AU for short) is a nonprofit organization that advocates separation of church and state.
The separation of church and state in the United States is often accepted to be provided in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Americans United describes itself as officially non-sectarian and non-partisan.
According to The Praeger Handbook of Religion and Education in the United States "It includes members from a broad religious, and non-religious, spectrum, including Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and atheists." Its national headquarters are in Washington, D.C. Its former executive director, Barry W. Lynn, is an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ,] as well as an attorney involved with civil liberties issues.
I particularly like this one because it is so inclusive for the rights of both the religious as well as none religious, as well as ALL religions.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_United_for_Separation_of_Church_and_State
If I truly "hated" believers, -an accusation that you keep making over & over again, -why would I have said that "I particularly like this one because it is so inclusive for the rights of both the religious as well as none religious, as well as ALL religions.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 22:46:12 GMT -5
Well, if it's HIS world, -HE sure doesn't seem to care as much about it as Christians seem to think that HE does! Oh yes he does! Where & When?
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Post by reborn on Dec 11, 2019 22:48:50 GMT -5
Where & When? Im sorry if you do not receive the comfort, calmness, reassurance of the Holy Spirit. I enjoy it on a daily basis. Proverbs 31:25 She is clothed with strength and dignity, and she laughs without fear of the future.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 23:00:11 GMT -5
Where & When? Im sorry if you do not receive the comfort, calmness, reassurance of the Holy Spirit. I enjoy it on a daily basis. So, - all of those people who were killed in the multitude of Christian massacres, -often by OTHER Christians, -were the recipients the "comfort, calmness, reassurance of the Holy Spirit," as they were being slaughtered?
And still in spite of all of that, -GOD still didn't "wrap it all up" for once & for all.
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Post by reborn on Dec 11, 2019 23:03:17 GMT -5
Im sorry if you do not receive the comfort, calmness, reassurance of the Holy Spirit. I enjoy it on a daily basis. So, - all of those people who were killed in the multitude of Christian massacres, -often by OTHER Christians, -were the recipients the "comfort, calmness, reassurance of the Holy Spirit," as they were being slaughtered?
And still in spite of all of that, -GOD still didn't "wrap it all up" for once & for all. If they had the Holy Spirit they would have received comfort through it. God promises to go down through the valley of the shadow of death.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 23:17:38 GMT -5
So, - all of those people who were killed in the multitude of Christian massacres, -often by OTHER Christians, -were the recipients the "comfort, calmness, reassurance of the Holy Spirit," as they were being slaughtered?
And still in spite of all of that, -GOD still didn't "wrap it all up" for once & for all. If they had the Holy Spirit they would have received comfort through it. God promises to go down through the valley of the shadow of death. Ah, but it has gone on though out the history of Christianity many, many times and my point was you said he would "wrap it up." When?
How long must humanity have to suffer for a story about a God who is suppose to be all powerful, yet just lets the carnage go on and on and HE does about it is to give the people the "Holy Spirit" to help them suffer through it?
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Post by reborn on Dec 11, 2019 23:21:11 GMT -5
If they had the Holy Spirit they would have received comfort through it. God promises to go down through the valley of the shadow of death. Ah, but it has gone on though out the history of Christianity many, many times and my point was you said he would "wrap it up." When?
How long must humanity have to suffer for a story about a God who is suppose to be all powerful, yet just lets the carnage go on and on and HE does about it is to give the people the "Holy Spirit" to help them suffer through it?His to know. His timing.That is the short answer. There really is so much more to learn. If you would like you could start by learning how sin came into the world, and how it will be judged.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 23:24:08 GMT -5
If they had the Holy Spirit they would have received comfort through it. God promises to go down through the valley of the shadow of death. Ah, but it has gone on though out the history of Christianity many, many times and my point was you said he would "wrap it up." When?
How long must humanity have to suffer for a story about a God who is suppose to be all powerful, yet just lets the carnage go on and on and HE does about it is to give the people the "Holy Spirit" to help them suffer through it?God works best with broken hearts....and the purest Gold comes from the hottest fire....
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 23:33:02 GMT -5
Ah, but it has gone on though out the history of Christianity many, many times and my point was you said he would "wrap it up." When?
How long must humanity have to suffer for a story about a God who is suppose to be all powerful, yet just lets the carnage go on and on and HE does about it is to give the people the "Holy Spirit" to help them suffer through it? God works best with broken hearts....and the purest Gold comes from the hottest fire.... Yes, yes, how many times have I heard that nozzz. What a wonderful kind, loving, thoughtful father THAT IS!
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Post by speak on Dec 11, 2019 23:34:36 GMT -5
The thing is that we should want to show them love, isn't it?, that's what the Master has show. Woe unto you PhArisees and scribes? He wasn’t so caring and soft with people that purposefully brought it on themselves. Now just be reasonable. And yet He wept for them. He was warning them that didn't mean He didn't love them.
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Post by speak on Dec 11, 2019 23:37:09 GMT -5
Where & When? You'er alive aren't you?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 11, 2019 23:40:10 GMT -5
Where & When? You'er alive aren't you? Ah but are following the post? Many AREN'T alive!
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Post by speak on Dec 11, 2019 23:43:37 GMT -5
Ah but are following the post? Many AREN'T alive! Modern day died mostly naturally.
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 12, 2019 0:31:11 GMT -5
What are some examples of laws changed in Canada to exclusively meet believers convictions ? Alvin I'm not aware of any yet. I said try. Canada is very good at separating church and state. We do have to fight to keep it that way. It's not like theists in Canada haven't tried to block gay marriage, abortion etc. And we have to fight Muslims trying to get Sharia law in place in their communities. I am glad to be a Canadian citizen because so far it doesn't impact us too much. And now that churches are starting to have to pay some taxes, that is becoming fairer too. But in the US it is impacting atheists lives with all the new laws stating that you can't get an abortion even in cases of rape and incest. The new law that is going to put many women at risk if they have an ectopic pregnancy and the doctors are now mandated by law to remove it and try and implant it into the womb or get charged with murder. Thanks for reply , Using your example , Agreed, majority of believers are likely anti abortion , although MANY are not, and there are MANY atheists also antiabortion , so for myself , I don’t view it altogether as theist vs atheist issue . No concensus in either group on ANY issue ,,except on that ONE particular belief or unbelief in god , so hard to put “blanket blame” or credit on any passed or defeated laws , based on that distinction, of being theist or atheist. Dangerous ideologies and laws are promoted by people in both groups, and should be fought against , but not on the basis on whethet they Are atheist or theist . Alvin Ps - the danger of the new antiabortion law you mentioned affects theist women just as negatively as atheist women
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 1:01:59 GMT -5
Woe unto you PhArisees and scribes? He wasn’t so caring and soft with people that purposefully brought it on themselves. Now just be reasonable. And yet He wept for them. He was warning them that didn't mean He didn't love them. Who said anything about not loving anybody!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 1:09:06 GMT -5
Ah, but it has gone on though out the history of Christianity many, many times and my point was you said he would "wrap it up." When?
How long must humanity have to suffer for a story about a God who is suppose to be all powerful, yet just lets the carnage go on and on and HE does about it is to give the people the "Holy Spirit" to help them suffer through it? His to know. His timing.That is the short answer. There really is so much more to learn. If you would like you could start by learning how sin came into the world, and how it will be judged. It was sin that killed people not because they were Christians. I get tired of people broadcwrapping Believers in Christ as homicidal maniacs. It IS humans that kill one another. God and Christ had nothing to do with it.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 12, 2019 1:10:49 GMT -5
Woe unto you PhArisees and scribes? He wasn’t so caring and soft with people that purposefully brought it on themselves. Now just be reasonable. And yet He wept for them. He was warning them that didn't mean He didn't love them. He actually wept over Jerusalem, God’s chosen city. It was the people of Jerusalem not the scribes and Pharisees he wept over.
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Post by reborn on Dec 12, 2019 1:15:46 GMT -5
His to know. His timing.That is the short answer. There really is so much more to learn. If you would like you could start by learning how sin came into the world, and how it will be judged. It was sin that killed people not because they were Christians. I get tired of people broadcwrapping Believers in Christ as homicidal maniacs. It IS humans that kill one another. God and Christ had nothing to do with it. Yes- I guess I had fast forwarded to the end of the story there.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 12, 2019 1:31:12 GMT -5
Ah but are following the post? Many AREN'T alive! Modern day died mostly naturally. Modern day wasn't what I was talking about.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 12, 2019 1:39:36 GMT -5
Ah, but it has gone on though out the history of Christianity many, many times and my point was you said he would "wrap it up." When?
How long must humanity have to suffer for a story about a God who is suppose to be all powerful, yet just lets the carnage go on and on and HE does about it is to give the people the "Holy Spirit" to help them suffer through it? His to know. His timing. That is the short answer. There really is so much more to learn. If you would like you could start by learning how sin came into the world, and how it will be judged. Thanks for the info but I have studied of that a long time ago and a long ago came to the conclusion that believing in such a god is something that mankind created to explain what was happening because they couldn't accept that they themselves were the actual cause of all that cruelty towards one another.
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Post by speak on Dec 12, 2019 2:20:42 GMT -5
And yet He wept for them. He was warning them that didn't mean He didn't love them. Who said anything about not loving anybody! When you say not so caring [He wasn’t so caring and soft] gives the impression of not loving as much when in fact I believe He loved and cared for all who had a soul to the same degree.
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Post by speak on Dec 12, 2019 2:25:38 GMT -5
And yet He wept for them. He was warning them that didn't mean He didn't love them. He actually wept over Jerusalem, God’s chosen city. It was the people of Jerusalem not the scribes and Pharisees he wept over. It was not bricks and mortar He wept over, the scribes and the Pharisee were the people of Jerusalem. I would have to wonder how many others there were if not scribes and the Pharisee and those of similar ilk?
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Post by speak on Dec 12, 2019 2:29:07 GMT -5
Modern day died mostly naturally. Modern day wasn't what I was talking about.Well if it was about generations passed the majority I would say died of natural causes.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 12, 2019 2:30:51 GMT -5
Modern day wasn't what I was talking about. Well if it was about generations passed the majority I would say died of natural causes. Still not what we were discussing, You need to go back and look at our posts.
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Post by speak on Dec 12, 2019 2:34:58 GMT -5
Well if it was about generations passed the majority I would say died of natural causes. Still not what we were discussing, You need to go back and look at our posts.Yes I know, you are looking at something to pin on God that it is some how His fault. But most of the people who have died in my opinion would have been Godless anyway.
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