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Post by reborn on Dec 9, 2019 12:04:18 GMT -5
To have and hear the holy spirit is the highest compliment one could ever achieve to. A true gift from God! If you are hearing voices then you are suffering from a psychosis and need help from a medical specialist. The spirit of God is given to those who obey him.
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Post by snow on Dec 9, 2019 13:51:27 GMT -5
Well first I would give them medication and if that cleared up the voices, we'd know what caused them I suppose. Sure you just didn’t sedate them? Balancing brain chemistry does stop verbal and visual hallucinations in Schizophrenia. It is one of the easier of mental illnesses to medicate for and if they stay on their meds they usually can lead a fairly normal life. I worked with them on the lock up unit and in outpatient services and that's my observation. Now, bipolar is not an easy one to medicate for. And, the side effects are such that many really don't want to take them even if they might help.
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Post by snow on Dec 9, 2019 13:55:01 GMT -5
So I was right that YOU are not brave enough to advise the workers to approach me in kindness. Your prayers for me might be helped if you would do that for me. Bob, have the workers in your area now been unkind to you? I certainly hope not. If you would read his book you'd understand just how 'unkind' they were.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 9, 2019 13:58:27 GMT -5
Sure you just didn’t sedate them? Balancing brain chemistry does stop verbal and visual hallucinations in Schizophrenia. It is one of the easier of mental illnesses to medicate for and if they stay on their meds they usually can lead a fairly normal life. I worked with them on the lock up unit and in outpatient services and that's my observation. Now, bipolar is not an easy one to medicate for. And, the side effects are such that many really don't want to take them even if they might help. But here’s the catch with bible believers, they DO LIVE A NORMAL PRODUCTIVE LIFE. They ARE NOT hindered by their beliefs, fact is they typically are better able to handle adversity then non-believers. They obtain a strength of inward self that non-believers have no knowledge about or of. Why would you want to medicate them to rid them of your supposed diagnosis of hallucinations? And all it took to rid me of my hallucinations was to take me off the Beta Blockers.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 9, 2019 14:01:24 GMT -5
Bob, have the workers in your area now been unkind to you? I certainly hope not. If you would read his book you'd understand just how 'unkind' they were. But God had no hand in that. Satan was at his best in that ordeal.
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Post by rational on Dec 9, 2019 14:16:59 GMT -5
If you are hearing voices then you are suffering from a psychosis and need help from a medical specialist. The spirit of God is given to those who obey him. But not to anyone who has experience, knowledge, good judgment and shows care and thought for the future. I wonder why that would be? The better leaders always say they do well because they surround themselves with capable people.
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Post by rational on Dec 9, 2019 14:18:25 GMT -5
Sure you just didn’t sedate them? Balancing brain chemistry does stop verbal and visual hallucinations in Schizophrenia. It is one of the easier of mental illnesses to medicate for and if they stay on their meds they usually can lead a fairly normal life. I worked with them on the lock up unit and in outpatient services and that's my observation. Now, bipolar is not an easy one to medicate for. And, the side effects are such that many really don't want to take them even if they might help. This reflects my experience as well.
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Post by Grant on Dec 9, 2019 14:23:15 GMT -5
Balancing brain chemistry does stop verbal and visual hallucinations in Schizophrenia. It is one of the easier of mental illnesses to medicate for and if they stay on their meds they usually can lead a fairly normal life. I worked with them on the lock up unit and in outpatient services and that's my observation. Now, bipolar is not an easy one to medicate for. And, the side effects are such that many really don't want to take them even if they might help. This reflects my experience as well. A diagnosis is done is the context of a persons cultural and spiritual beliefs. What is considered 'normal' in one cultural or religious setting might not be in another.
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Post by rational on Dec 9, 2019 14:43:37 GMT -5
This reflects my experience as well. A diagnosis is done is the context of a persons cultural and spiritual beliefs. What is considered 'normal' in one cultural or religious setting might not be in another. Hearing voices in not normal in any culture or spiritual belief. Claiming to hear voices is a sign of other illnesses. These have been easily tested just as the people who claimed to be able to see auras. When tested under controlled conditions they failed. Watching their reactions I believe that they were shocked they failed. Much like the ESP testing done by SRI.
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Post by Grant on Dec 9, 2019 15:26:59 GMT -5
A diagnosis is done is the context of a persons cultural and spiritual beliefs. What is considered 'normal' in one cultural or religious setting might not be in another. Hearing voices in not normal in any culture or spiritual belief. Claiming to hear voices is a sign of other illnesses. These have been easily tested just as the people who claimed to be able to see auras. When tested under controlled conditions they failed. Watching their reactions I believe that they were shocked they failed. Much like the ESP testing done by SRI. As I said the patients cultural and religious beliefs must be taken into consideration. e.g DSM 5 p657. Cognitive and perceptural distortions must be evaluated in the context of the individual's cultural milieu...particularly those regarded religious beliefs and rituals, can appear to be schizotypal to the uninformed outsider e.g. voodoo, speaking in tongues, life beyond death shamanism, mind reading, 6th sense, magical beliefs related to health and illness.
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Post by rational on Dec 9, 2019 16:09:32 GMT -5
Hearing voices in not normal in any culture or spiritual belief. Claiming to hear voices is a sign of other illnesses. These have been easily tested just as the people who claimed to be able to see auras. When tested under controlled conditions they failed. Watching their reactions I believe that they were shocked they failed. Much like the ESP testing done by SRI. As I said the patients cultural and religious beliefs must be taken into consideration. e.g DSM 5 p657. Cognitive and perceptural distortions must be evaluated in the context of the individual's cultural milieu...particularly those regarded religious beliefs and rituals, can appear to be schizotypal to the uninformed outsider e.g. voodoo, speaking in tongues, life beyond death shamanism, mind reading, 6th sense, magical beliefs related to health and illness. As I said, hearing them is not normal. Claiming to hear them is the sign of a different problem. Don't you think many people claim to hear guiding divine voices to give them power over others? These are frauds not schizophrenics. Think Jim Jones. Pat Robertson. and, of course, Jerry Farwell who said LGBT organizations had angered god, causing god to let the [911] attacks happen. He also said the attacks were probably deserved. These are people who claim(ed) to be in touch with god. As noted, it can appear to be schizophrenia and the beliefs/customs of the subject(s) need to be ruled out. Schizophrenia is not considered normal.
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Post by Grant on Dec 9, 2019 16:22:12 GMT -5
As I said the patients cultural and religious beliefs must be taken into consideration. e.g DSM 5 p657. Cognitive and perceptural distortions must be evaluated in the context of the individual's cultural milieu...particularly those regarded religious beliefs and rituals, can appear to be schizotypal to the uninformed outsider e.g. voodoo, speaking in tongues, life beyond death shamanism, mind reading, 6th sense, magical beliefs related to health and illness. As I said, hearing them is not normal. Claiming to hear them is the sign of a different problem. Don't you think many people claim to hear guiding divine voices to give them power over others? These are frauds not schizophrenics. Think Jim Jones. Pat Robertson. and, of course, Jerry Farwell who said LGBT organizations had angered god, causing god to let the [911] attacks happen. He also said the attacks were probably deserved. These are people who claim(ed) to be in touch with god. As noted, it can appear to be schizophrenia and the beliefs/customs of the subject(s) need to be ruled out. Schizophrenia is not considered normal. I never said schizophrenia is 'normal' if you want to use that word. I said we have to be careful in labeling someone with schizophrenia when their behaviour may be a part, or normal if you like, of their cultural or religious beliefs. If someone was speaking in tongues and said it's God speaking through them would you label the person as having schizophrenia or as normal? If he is a Pentecostal then it could be seen as normal. Liaisioning with others in the same community is a way of assessing if it is normal for that person.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 9, 2019 16:40:42 GMT -5
Balancing brain chemistry does stop verbal and visual hallucinations in Schizophrenia. It is one of the easier of mental illnesses to medicate for and if they stay on their meds they usually can lead a fairly normal life. I worked with them on the lock up unit and in outpatient services and that's my observation. Now, bipolar is not an easy one to medicate for. And, the side effects are such that many really don't want to take them even if they might help. But here’s the catch with bible believers, they DO LIVE A NORMAL PRODUCTIVE LIFE. ]They ARE NOT hindered by their beliefs, fact is they typically are better able to handle adversity then non-believers. They obtain a strength of inward self that non-believers have no knowledge about or of. Why would you want to medicate them to rid them of your supposed diagnosis of hallucinations? And all it took to rid me of my hallucinations was to take me off the Beta Blockers. STR, Where is your proof that "bible believers" are 'typically better able to handle adversity then non-believers' ?
Actually, I was far more able to handle problems when I finally realized that all religion was nothing more than an attempt to control me! In fact, that is exactly when I found that " inward strength of self " to stop allowing such nonsense to dictate what I should do!
STR, You also ask , "Why would you want to medicate them to rid them of your supposed diagnosis of hallucinations?" Then in your very next statement show that indeed your own "hallucinations" were due to a physical bodily problem!
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Post by rational on Dec 9, 2019 16:44:42 GMT -5
As I said, hearing them is not normal. Claiming to hear them is the sign of a different problem. Don't you think many people claim to hear guiding divine voices to give them power over others? These are frauds not schizophrenics. Think Jim Jones. Pat Robertson. and, of course, Jerry Farwell who said LGBT organizations had angered god, causing god to let the [911] attacks happen. He also said the attacks were probably deserved. These are people who claim(ed) to be in touch with god. As noted, it can appear to be schizophrenia and the beliefs/customs of the subject(s) need to be ruled out. Schizophrenia is not considered normal. I never said schizophrenia is 'normal' if you want to use that word. I said we have to be careful in labeling someone with schizophrenia when their behaviour may be a part, or normal if you like, of their cultural or religious beliefs. If someone was speaking in tongues and said it's God speaking through them would you label the person as having schizophrenia or as normal? If he is a Pentecostal then it could be seen as normal. Liaisioning with others in the same community is a way of assessing if it is normal for that person. In the case of glossolalia a quick analysis will tell much about the speaker. Xenoglossy is a different case and also need to be examined for the possibility of earlier exposure, for example. I knew someone who, when asleep would speak in a different language. Once awakened they could not understand the recording. Turned out that she had spent a little time with her grandparents when she was very young and it was the language they spoke. That was a simple solution. There are others that are still being questioned.
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Post by Grant on Dec 9, 2019 16:51:39 GMT -5
As I said cultural, religious and liasoning with others is important before making a diagnosis.
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Post by nathan on Dec 9, 2019 17:21:08 GMT -5
Bob, have the workers in your area now been unkind to you? I certainly hope not. If you would read his book you'd understand just how 'unkind' they were. ** There are 3 sides to every story his, her and God. You read only Bob's side of the story.
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Post by rational on Dec 9, 2019 17:23:08 GMT -5
As I said cultural, religious and liasoning with others is important before making a diagnosis. I see what you are saying. The claims have to be evaluated. I think we got lost in the difference between believing you are hearing voices and claiming you are hearing voices.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 9, 2019 17:51:15 GMT -5
But here’s the catch with bible believers, they DO LIVE A NORMAL PRODUCTIVE LIFE. ]They ARE NOT hindered by their beliefs, fact is they typically are better able to handle adversity then non-believers. They obtain a strength of inward self that non-believers have no knowledge about or of. Why would you want to medicate them to rid them of your supposed diagnosis of hallucinations? And all it took to rid me of my hallucinations was to take me off the Beta Blockers. STR, Where is your proof that "bible believers" are 'typically better able to handle adversity then non-believers' ?
Actually, I was far more able to handle problems when I finally realized that all religion was nothing more than an attempt to control me! In fact, that is exactly when I found that " inward strength of self " to stop allowing such nonsense to dictate what I should do!
STR, You also ask , "Why would you want to medicate them to rid them of your supposed diagnosis of hallucinations?" Then in your very next statement show that indeed your own "hallucinations" were due to a physical bodily problem!
My point was my hallucinations didn’t need medicated they needed medication removed. Otherwords, medicating supposed hallucinators isn’t always the answer of proof of what’s wrong if anything is wrong.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 9, 2019 17:55:26 GMT -5
If you would read his book you'd understand just how 'unkind' they were. ** There are 3 sides to every story his, her and God. You read only Bob's side of the story. I don’t doubt Bob’s side of the story. The whole thing seemed to be started by some female who had a green headed, green eyed monster invading her head. Jealousy has done more harm in human relations then anything else. Often that jealousy has no basis for need of presence, it’s just Satan shining at his best in his glorious green eyed brilliance! I’ve suffered untold damage from such. Even so much as monetary great losses!
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2019 18:01:23 GMT -5
If you are hearing voices then you are suffering from a psychosis and need help from a medical specialist. The spirit of God is given to those who obey him. This is a circular argument. On one side you have to obey before you get the holy spirit. On the other hand you can't understand to obey if you don't have the holy spirit. How many explanations are there to people marginalize people who disagree with one?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2019 18:02:49 GMT -5
If you would read his book you'd understand just how 'unkind' they were. ** There are 3 sides to every story his, her and God. You read only Bob's side of the story. And the fourth side is Nathan's side.
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Post by reborn on Dec 9, 2019 18:04:40 GMT -5
The spirit of God is given to those who obey him. This is a circular argument. On one side you have to obey before you get the holy spirit. On the other hand you can't understand to obey if you don't have the holy spirit. How many explanations are there to people marginalize people who disagree with one? A suggestion here would be to respond when he calls.i have heard from others testimonies that sometimes he just goes silent. Call is lost/ gone.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2019 18:06:54 GMT -5
This is a circular argument. On one side you have to obey before you get the holy spirit. On the other hand you can't understand to obey if you don't have the holy spirit. How many explanations are there to people marginalize people who disagree with one? A suggestion here would be to respond when he calls.i have heard from others testimonies that sometimes he just goes silent. Call is lost/ gone. I've been told I can't hear because I don't believe. Believe what, when I can't hear?
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Post by reborn on Dec 9, 2019 18:08:56 GMT -5
A suggestion here would be to respond when he calls.i have heard from others testimonies that sometimes he just goes silent. Call is lost/ gone. I've been told I can't hear because I don't believe. Believe what, when I can't hear? If I was looking to hear from God personally. I would desperately begin to pray. Seek his face. So worth it, and so personal.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2019 18:11:53 GMT -5
If you would read his book you'd understand just how 'unkind' they were. But God had no hand in that. Satan was at his best in that ordeal. If you understand my writing, I beg you not to infer that Satan's work is a staple of the 2x2 ministry. Individuals are responsible for their own actions, and I have not attributed any of their actions to Satan.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 9, 2019 18:16:28 GMT -5
A suggestion here would be to respond when he calls.i have heard from others testimonies that sometimes he just goes silent. Call is lost/ gone. I've been told I can't hear because I don't believe. Believe what, when I can't hear? Likely as long as religious things remind you of your bad hurtful experiences, you can’t hear because of a barrier this has brought. You equate such things with the hurtful 2x2 workers unconsciously everytime. I think that’s a normal thing to do. It was brought on by a green eyed monster abiding in a female who should have been sent home. For good.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 9, 2019 18:17:24 GMT -5
But God had no hand in that. Satan was at his best in that ordeal. If you understand my writing, I beg you not to infer that Satan's work is a staple of the 2x2 ministry. Individuals are responsible for their own actions, and I have not attributed any of their actions to Satan. But what happened to you sure was not of God. It had to have been if Satan. In no way have I said it was a staple of 2x2 ism. But it was there non the less
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2019 18:27:01 GMT -5
If you understand my writing, I beg you not to infer that Satan's work is a staple of the 2x2 ministry. Individuals are responsible for their own actions, and I have not attributed any of their actions to Satan. But what happened to you sure was not of God. It had to have been if Satan. In no way have I said it was a staple of 2x2 ism. But it was there non the less Frankly, I don't care whether it was of God or of Satan or of anything else. My reasons for NOT believing (as one refers to it) have nothing to do with what happened to me. If that were the case, I would still be grappling with Christianity. I am a "non-believer" (as far as Christians are concerned) because they all are evolved from origins they either don't believe in or know nothing about.
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