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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 28, 2019 13:01:31 GMT -5
I should add that I know that in many families, parents go quite a bit overboard with piety just to "impress" the workers when they come to visit. And then, there are some workers who just lap it up -- while some just would prefer they would be more casual.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 14:14:32 GMT -5
Joh_10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. And the fold is called the 2x2 fold and they all go to meetings? read the verse again....
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Post by speak on Nov 28, 2019 14:46:48 GMT -5
Joh_10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. And the fold is called the 2x2 fold and they all go to meetings? What a weird comment to make.
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Post by fred on Nov 28, 2019 18:09:22 GMT -5
And the fold is called the 2x2 fold and they all go to meetings? What a weird comment to make. Not so weird after all. The workers preach that this (the fellowship) is the 'truth', saying that other groups are false, that their ministry (going 2 & 2, meetings in the home) is the only way. So, logically, when they talk of one fold, people arrive at conclusions as to what they are meaning.
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Post by Annan on Nov 28, 2019 21:56:39 GMT -5
What a weird comment to make. Not so weird after all. The workers preach that this (the fellowship) is the 'truth', saying that other groups are false, that their ministry (going 2 & 2, meetings in the home) is the only way. So, logically, when they talk of one fold, people arrive at conclusions as to what they are meaning. Was talking with my dad today about this. He says he no longer professes because of that doctrine.
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Post by mountain on Nov 29, 2019 5:56:34 GMT -5
Not so weird after all. The workers preach that this (the fellowship) is the 'truth', saying that other groups are false, that their ministry (going 2 & 2, meetings in the home) is the only way. So, logically, when they talk of one fold, people arrive at conclusions as to what they are meaning. Was talking with my dad today about this. He says he no longer professes because of that doctrine. This was actually the doctrine of the original church. Today, many groups and sects believe that they alone are the one true church. The doctrine is 100% correct, but to whom it applies, or indeed how it applies nowadays, is the REAL question. Until the current Pope started believing in fairies, the Catholic Church taught that they alone were the one true (original) church, even claiming they got the keys of the kingdom directly from the Apostle Peter. Don't cast out the doctrine. Try and figure out how to reconcile it in this modern world. If you have two or more church groups or sects, all with differing doctrines, then at best only one of them can be correct. The choice is between zero or one, and when considering the vast number of church denominations and groups that now exist, the emphasis of 'between zero and one' gets even more emphatic. Simplicity is the key, not confusion.
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Post by Annan on Nov 29, 2019 7:56:16 GMT -5
Was talking with my dad today about this. He says he no longer professes because of that doctrine. This was actually the doctrine of the original church. Today, many groups and sects believe that they alone are the one true church. The doctrine is 100% correct, but to whom it applies, or indeed how it applies nowadays, is the REAL question. Until the current Pope started believing in fairies, the Catholic Church taught that they alone were the one true (original) church, even claiming they got the keys of the kingdom directly from the Apostle Peter. Don't cast out the doctrine. Try and figure out how to reconcile it in this modern world. If you have two or more church groups or sects, all with differing doctrines, then at best only one of them can be correct. The choice is between zero or one, and when considering the vast number of church denominations and groups that now exist, the emphasis of 'between zero and one' gets even more emphatic. Simplicity is the key, not confusion. I think what really did it for my dad was that my mother didn't profess. The workers would stay in a house that my mother cleaned. Slept on sheets that she washed. Ate food that she prepared. If they believed she was going to hell... and yes, they said that when my dad asked... then why partake of what she set before them? While I do not fault the workers for their belief, I get where my dad is coming from.
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Post by mountain on Nov 29, 2019 8:01:07 GMT -5
This was actually the doctrine of the original church. Today, many groups and sects believe that they alone are the one true church. The doctrine is 100% correct, but to whom it applies, or indeed how it applies nowadays, is the REAL question. Until the current Pope started believing in fairies, the Catholic Church taught that they alone were the one true (original) church, even claiming they got the keys of the kingdom directly from the Apostle Peter. Don't cast out the doctrine. Try and figure out how to reconcile it in this modern world. If you have two or more church groups or sects, all with differing doctrines, then at best only one of them can be correct. The choice is between zero or one, and when considering the vast number of church denominations and groups that now exist, the emphasis of 'between zero and one' gets even more emphatic. Simplicity is the key, not confusion. I think what really did it for my dad was that my mother didn't profess. The workers would stay in a house that my mother cleaned. Slept on sheets that she washed. Ate food that she prepared. If they believed she was going to hell... and yes, they said that when my dad asked... then why partake of what she set before them? While I do not fault the workers for their belief, I get where my dad is coming from.Absolutely understandable. Many churches promote the belief that 'Christians' should attend church services and gatherings. This is indeed scriptural, but what they forget is that the scriptural advice is for the one true church. If a church teaches or believes doctrine(s) which differ from the original NT church, then the scriptural advice is to get out of them.
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Post by breakfree on Nov 29, 2019 10:52:57 GMT -5
And the fold is called the 2x2 fold and they all go to meetings? What a weird comment to make. What is really weird is that some believe that a church started in the 1900s by William Irvine and co. Is the one true church on the earth today! I think there will be a few surprises when the judgement call is made and the truly faithful are welcomed into Heaven...
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Post by breakfree on Nov 29, 2019 11:40:29 GMT -5
What is even WEIRDER is that these same people (the 2x2s) look down on those who do not belong to their group...they shun their own who leave...they despise others who are not members of their group...they judge others according to their made-up standards.......and so on...
I can only imagine that in heaven there will be the despised......,rejected........,misunderstood...,persecuted of men...but loved of God...
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Post by nathan on Nov 29, 2019 15:08:19 GMT -5
What a weird comment to make. What is really weird is that some believe that a church started in the 1900s by William Irvine and co. Is the one true church on the earth today! I think there will be a few surprises when the judgement call is made and the truly faithful are welcomed into Heaven... *** Your understanding is from a human view of understanding. Jesus said in Matthew 18 that His TRUE New Test. Church and ministry will continue to exist on the earth to the time of His 2nd Coming. Before sending out the 12 and 70 Jesus asked His apostles to PRAY to God the Father that He would send fire MORE labored/workers in the world because Jesus gospel MUST be preached to all nations to give the Gentiles opportunity to believe and accept Him as their Savior. Jesus words and promises are TRUE because God has preserved His TRUE church history documents so that we can read and see even the gates of HELL can't STOP it. God has raised and given men and women the REVELATION of Jesus Truth and Way doctrine on earth in every generation to carry on and continue to the time of His 2nd coming. If the 2x2 is NOT Jesus TRUE New Test. Church today? Then where is His New Test. Church on earth, today? If you can't find Jesus TRUE Church, today then God and Jesus are liars and I don't believe they are.
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Post by Grant on Nov 29, 2019 16:03:31 GMT -5
What is really weird is that some believe that a church started in the 1900s by William Irvine and co. Is the one true church on the earth today! I think there will be a few surprises when the judgement call is made and the truly faithful are welcomed into Heaven... *** Your understanding is from a human view of understanding. Jesus said in Matthew 18 that His TRUE New Test. Church and ministry will continue to exist on the earth to the time of His 2nd Coming. Before sending out the 12 and 70 Jesus asked His apostles to PRAY to God the Father that He would send fire MORE labored/workers in the world because Jesus gospel MUST be preached to all nations to give the Gentiles opportunity to believe and accept Him as their Savior. Jesus words and promises are TRUE because God has preserved His TRUE church history documents so that we can read and see even the gates of HELL can't STOP it. God has raised and given men and women the REVELATION of Jesus Truth and Way doctrine on earth in every generation to carry on and continue to the time of His 2nd coming. If the 2x2 is NOT Jesus TRUE New Test. Church today? Then where is His New Test. Church on earth, today? If you can't find Jesus TRUE Church, today then God and Jesus are liars and I don't believe they are. The true church is made up of believers from many denominations. His spirit dwells within the believer no matter what denomination they do or not associate with. Church is a gathering of people who meet for fellowship. People preach to win people to Christ, not to win them to their church. Encourage fellowship for teaching and inspiration but to say our fellowship is the true church is false. It is a only part of His larger church. His church and ministry does existed today, and has since Jesus day, but it is not a denomination and definately can not be your church as it was only started 120 years ago. As you quote, the church will never die out. Believers, which is His church, and the ministry has continued since Jesus day. Christianity has continued and will continue with or without your church. Imagine just the few people who you claim will be saved - what an empty place heaven will be. Not the vast multitude that no man can number. You get confused over the meaning of their being one body, one church and its continuation since Jesus's day. Get your 2x2 glasses off and read what it actually says, don't try and reinterpret it to say something it doesn't. Gone are the days where I have to try and juggle scripture to fit in with the workers teaching. It's actually great to be able to read it for what it is instead of trying to reinterpret it until I can fit it into 'worker think' as happens in Sunday morning meetings all the time.
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Post by nathan on Nov 29, 2019 16:47:50 GMT -5
*** Your understanding is from a human view of understanding. Jesus said in Matthew 18 that His TRUE New Test. Church and ministry will continue to exist on the earth to the time of His 2nd Coming. Before sending out the 12 and 70 Jesus asked His apostles to PRAY to God the Father that He would send fire MORE labored/workers in the world because Jesus gospel MUST be preached to all nations to give the Gentiles opportunity to believe and accept Him as their Savior. Jesus words and promises are TRUE because God has preserved His TRUE church history documents so that we can read and see even the gates of HELL can't STOP it. God has raised and given men and women the REVELATION of Jesus Truth and Way doctrine on earth in every generation to carry on and continue to the time of His 2nd coming. If the 2x2 is NOT Jesus TRUE New Test. Church today? Then where is His New Test. Church on earth, today? If you can't find Jesus TRUE Church, today then God and Jesus are liars and I don't believe they are. The true church is made up of believers from many denominations. His spirit dwells within the believer no matter what denomination they do or not associate with. Church is a gathering of people who meet for fellowship. People preach to win people to Christ, not to win them to their church. Encourage fellowship for teaching and inspiration but to say our fellowship is the true church is false. It is a only part of His larger church. His church and ministry does existed today, and has since Jesus day, but it is not a denomination and definately can not be your church as it was only started 120 years ago. As you quote, the church will never die out. Believers, which is His church, and the ministry has continued since Jesus day. Christianity has continued and will continue with or without your church. Imagine just the few people who you claim will be saved - what an empty place heaven will be. Not the vast multitude that no man can number. You get confused over the meaning of their being one body, one church and its continuation since Jesus's day. Get your 2x2 glasses off and read what it actually says, don't try and reinterpret it to say something it doesn't. Gone are the days where I have to try and juggle scripture to fit in with the workers teaching. It's actually great to be able to read it for what it is instead of trying to reinterpret it until I can fit it into 'worker think' as happens in Sunday morning meetings all the time. ** Thanks, for Sharing your opinion and understanding. I understanding what you are saying because I used to think like you do but Thanks be to God, He opened my eyes of understanding and I agree with the workers on Jesus exclusive of Jesus 2x2 New Test. And Sunday morning TRINITY worship gathering.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 29, 2019 17:06:31 GMT -5
Was talking with my dad today about this. He says he no longer professes because of that doctrine. This was actually the doctrine of the original church. Today, many groups and sects believe that they alone are the one true church. The doctrine is 100% correct, but to whom it applies, or indeed how it applies nowadays, is the REAL question. Until the current Pope started believing in fairies, the Catholic Church taught that they alone were the one true (original) church, even claiming they got the keys of the kingdom directly from the Apostle Peter. Don't cast out the doctrine. Try and figure out how to reconcile it in this modern world. If you have two or more church groups or sects, all with differing doctrines, then at best only one of them can be correct. The choice is between zero or one, and when considering the vast number of church denominations and groups that now exist, the emphasis of 'between zero and one' gets even more emphatic. Simplicity is the key, not confusion. No. Jesus Christ is the key!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 29, 2019 17:12:33 GMT -5
What is really weird is that some believe that a church started in the 1900s by William Irvine and co. Is the one true church on the earth today! I think there will be a few surprises when the judgement call is made and the truly faithful are welcomed into Heaven... *** Your understanding is from a human view of understanding. Jesus said in Matthew 18 that His TRUE New Test. Church and ministry will continue to exist on the earth to the time of His 2nd Coming. Before sending out the 12 and 70 Jesus asked His apostles to PRAY to God the Father that He would send fire MORE labored/workers in the world because Jesus gospel MUST be preached to all nations to give the Gentiles opportunity to believe and accept Him as their Savior. Jesus words and promises are TRUE because God has preserved His TRUE church history documents so that we can read and see even the gates of HELL can't STOP it. God has raised and given men and women the REVELATION of Jesus Truth and Way doctrine on earth in every generation to carry on and continue to the time of His 2nd coming. If the 2x2 is NOT Jesus TRUE New Test. Church today? Then where is His New Test. Church on earth, today? If you can't find Jesus TRUE Church, today then God and Jesus are liars and I don't believe they are. I see NO VERSE in Matthew 18 that quotes Jesus saying his NT church AND MINISTRY will continue and nothing can prevent it.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 29, 2019 17:24:56 GMT -5
Nathan in Matthew 16:18 Jesus said to Peter And I also say unto you “That thou art Peter (Petros-Little Rock), and upon THIS ROCK(Petra-foundational stone; large rock) I will build my church ; and the gates of hell shall not prevent it.
People have interpreted that verse wrong so many times it is not even funny. The “foundational rock” is Jesus Christ. Peter is a small Rock not good for the cornerstone.
Jesus’ church is built upon Jesus not humans. The prophets and apostles were part of the foundation because the prophets prophesied about Jesus’ coming and the Apostles were living witnesses of his actual being. They were the ones who Jesus prayed for “ those who would believe on their word.”
Witnesses only.
Ministers since have only repeated the living witnesses word.
Jesus is the foundational cornerstone that he’ll can’t prevent!
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Post by nathan on Nov 29, 2019 17:25:13 GMT -5
*** Your understanding is from a human view of understanding. Jesus said in Matthew 18 that His TRUE New Test. Church and ministry will continue to exist on the earth to the time of His 2nd Coming. Before sending out the 12 and 70 Jesus asked His apostles to PRAY to God the Father that He would send fire MORE labored/workers in the world because Jesus gospel MUST be preached to all nations to give the Gentiles opportunity to believe and accept Him as their Savior. Jesus words and promises are TRUE because God has preserved His TRUE church history documents so that we can read and see even the gates of HELL can't STOP it. God has raised and given men and women the REVELATION of Jesus Truth and Way doctrine on earth in every generation to carry on and continue to the time of His 2nd coming. If the 2x2 is NOT Jesus TRUE New Test. Church today? Then where is His New Test. Church on earth, today? If you can't find Jesus TRUE Church, today then God and Jesus are liars and I don't believe they are. I see NO VERSE in Matthew 18 that quotes Jesus saying his NT church AND MINISTRY will continue and nothing can prevent it. *** Well, let me give you a clearer picture of what Jesus said in Matthew 18 to peter and the apostle, "Upon this ROCK! I will BUILD MY church and the gates of HELL shall NOT Overcome it." Jesus went on to say in Matthew 24:24 And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be PREACHED to ALL nations, for a Witness unto them then shall the end comes." Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:19-20 the New Test. Church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets and Jesus Christ is the chief corner stone.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 29, 2019 17:29:14 GMT -5
*** Your understanding is from a human view of understanding. Jesus said in Matthew 18 that His TRUE New Test. Church and ministry will continue to exist on the earth to the time of His 2nd Coming. Before sending out the 12 and 70 Jesus asked His apostles to PRAY to God the Father that He would send fire MORE labored/workers in the world because Jesus gospel MUST be preached to all nations to give the Gentiles opportunity to believe and accept Him as their Savior. Jesus words and promises are TRUE because God has preserved His TRUE church history documents so that we can read and see even the gates of HELL can't STOP it. God has raised and given men and women the REVELATION of Jesus Truth and Way doctrine on earth in every generation to carry on and continue to the time of His 2nd coming. If the 2x2 is NOT Jesus TRUE New Test. Church today? Then where is His New Test. Church on earth, today? If you can't find Jesus TRUE Church, today then God and Jesus are liars and I don't believe they are. The true church is made up of believers from many denominations. His spirit dwells within the believer no matter what denomination they do or not associate with. Church is a gathering of people who meet for fellowship. People preach to win people to Christ, not to win them to their church. Encourage fellowship for teaching and inspiration but to say our fellowship is the true church is false. It is a only part of His larger church. His church and ministry does existed today, and has since Jesus day, but it is not a denomination and definately can not be your church as it was only started 120 years ago. As you quote, the church will never die out. Believers, which is His church, and the ministry has continued since Jesus day. Christianity has continued and will continue with or without your church. Imagine just the few people who you claim will be saved - what an empty place heaven will be. Not the vast multitude that no man can number. You get confused over the meaning of their being one body, one church and its continuation since Jesus's day. Get your 2x2 glasses off and read what it actually says, don't try and reinterpret it to say something it doesn't. Gone are the days where I have to try and juggle scripture to fit in with the workers teaching. It's actually great to be able to read it for what it is instead of trying to reinterpret it until I can fit it into 'worker think' as happens in Sunday morning meetings all the time. Jesus’ church is in the hearts and minds of those who have been born again in the spirit by the Spirit and the Spirit indwells them. They are from all four corners of the earth. The Bible says that a Jesus will gather his saints from the four corners of the earth the day of his appearing(rapture).
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 29, 2019 17:31:51 GMT -5
I see NO VERSE in Matthew 18 that quotes Jesus saying his NT church AND MINISTRY will continue and nothing can prevent it. *** Well, let me give you a clearer picture of what Jesus said in Matthew 18 to peter and the apostle, "Upon this ROCK! I will BUILD MY church and the gates of HELL shall NOT Overcome it." Jesus went on to say in Matthew 24:24 And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be PREACHED to ALL nations, for a Witness unto them then shall the end comes." Nathan; this is the downfall of the 2x2s is they are worshipping the 2x2 itinerant ministry. They will never allow Jesus his proper place as their Saviour until they learn that he IS GOD THE SON! How can they know salvation without believing in Jesus Christ? How?
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Post by nathan on Nov 29, 2019 17:34:31 GMT -5
The true church is made up of believers from many denominations. His spirit dwells within the believer no matter what denomination they do or not associate with. Church is a gathering of people who meet for fellowship. People preach to win people to Christ, not to win them to their church. Encourage fellowship for teaching and inspiration but to say our fellowship is the true church is false. It is a only part of His larger church. His church and ministry does existed today, and has since Jesus day, but it is not a denomination and definately can not be your church as it was only started 120 years ago. As you quote, the church will never die out. Believers, which is His church, and the ministry has continued since Jesus day. Christianity has continued and will continue with or without your church. Imagine just the few people who you claim will be saved - what an empty place heaven will be. Not the vast multitude that no man can number. You get confused over the meaning of their being one body, one church and its continuation since Jesus's day. Get your 2x2 glasses off and read what it actually says, don't try and reinterpret it to say something it doesn't. Gone are the days where I have to try and juggle scripture to fit in with the workers teaching. It's actually great to be able to read it for what it is instead of trying to reinterpret it until I can fit it into 'worker think' as happens in Sunday morning meetings all the time. Jesus’ church is in the hearts and minds of those who have been born again in the spirit by the Spirit and the Spirit indwells them. They are from all four corners of the earth. The Bible says that a Jesus will gather his saints from the four corners of the earth the day of his appearing(rapture). ** It is Jesus TRUE Church/people who are scattered in many nations will be gathered up like the WHEAT during harvest time. The TARES look like the Wheat, they will be gathered up in bundles to be burned.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 29, 2019 17:35:14 GMT -5
I see NO VERSE in Matthew 18 that quotes Jesus saying his NT church AND MINISTRY will continue and nothing can prevent it. *** Well, let me give you a clearer picture of what Jesus said in Matthew 18 to peter and the apostle, "Upon this ROCK! I will BUILD MY church and the gates of HELL shall NOT Overcome it." Jesus went on to say in Matthew 24:24 And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be PREACHED to ALL nations, for a Witness unto them then shall the end comes." Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:19-20 the New Test. Church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets and Jesus Christ is the chief corner stone. I just quoted you the right chapter and verse! You need to look up the Greek words where Peter and rock are used. You will see they are two different rocks.
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Post by snow on Nov 29, 2019 17:40:09 GMT -5
What is really weird is that some believe that a church started in the 1900s by William Irvine and co. Is the one true church on the earth today! I think there will be a few surprises when the judgement call is made and the truly faithful are welcomed into Heaven... *** Your understanding is from a human view of understanding. Jesus said in Matthew 18 that His TRUE New Test. Church and ministry will continue to exist on the earth to the time of His 2nd Coming. Before sending out the 12 and 70 Jesus asked His apostles to PRAY to God the Father that He would send fire MORE labored/workers in the world because Jesus gospel MUST be preached to all nations to give the Gentiles opportunity to believe and accept Him as their Savior. Jesus words and promises are TRUE because God has preserved His TRUE church history documents so that we can read and see even the gates of HELL can't STOP it. God has raised and given men and women the REVELATION of Jesus Truth and Way doctrine on earth in every generation to carry on and continue to the time of His 2nd coming. If the 2x2 is NOT Jesus TRUE New Test. Church today? Then where is His New Test. Church on earth, today? If you can't find Jesus TRUE Church, today then God and Jesus are liars and I don't believe they are. I would say that no Christian Church as it exists today would be the 'one true church'. I would think that if Jesus did come back today he'd never recognize the religion that sprung up in his name. He was a Jew. He identified as a Jew. He believed in the Mosaic Law. He never intended to create a whole new religion. He wanted his fellow Jews to go back to their roots and be like they were in the OT. He felt that the priests had become corrupted.
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Post by mountain on Nov 29, 2019 17:42:08 GMT -5
This was actually the doctrine of the original church. Today, many groups and sects believe that they alone are the one true church. The doctrine is 100% correct, but to whom it applies, or indeed how it applies nowadays, is the REAL question. Until the current Pope started believing in fairies, the Catholic Church taught that they alone were the one true (original) church, even claiming they got the keys of the kingdom directly from the Apostle Peter. Don't cast out the doctrine. Try and figure out how to reconcile it in this modern world. If you have two or more church groups or sects, all with differing doctrines, then at best only one of them can be correct. The choice is between zero or one, and when considering the vast number of church denominations and groups that now exist, the emphasis of 'between zero and one' gets even more emphatic. Simplicity is the key, not confusion. No. Jesus Christ is the key! This is what I had in mind and just why in the case of two or more denominations or groups with differing doctrine, only one of them at best can be right. Galatians 1:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.And this is why simplicity is the key. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.And this is why the doctrine of any denomination or group MUST line up exactly with that of the early church. Jude 3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Post by nathan on Nov 29, 2019 17:48:21 GMT -5
*** Well, let me give you a clearer picture of what Jesus said in Matthew 18 to peter and the apostle, "Upon this ROCK! I will BUILD MY church and the gates of HELL shall NOT Overcome it." Jesus went on to say in Matthew 24:24 And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be PREACHED to ALL nations, for a Witness unto them then shall the end comes." Nathan; this is the downfall of the 2x2s is they are worshipping the 2x2 itinerant ministry. They will never allow Jesus his proper place as their Saviour until they learn that he IS GOD THE SON! How can they know salvation without believing in Jesus Christ? How? ** The 2x2 workers got everything correct Jesus New Testament ministry, the Trinity/worship Sunday morning meeting, no tithing, no speaking jiberish/intelligible tounges, and so on. The current workers and the friends somehow missing the mark and became Anti-Trinity and so Jesus God became Jesus ONLY the Son of God and that is they all believe NOW! They can't see or understand that jesus is the Son of God and also God the Christ. The workers are NOT getting it, hopefully the Holy Spirit can teach the friends and they can confront the workers of their errors on this subject.
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Post by nathan on Nov 29, 2019 17:57:53 GMT -5
*** Well, let me give you a clearer picture of what Jesus said in Matthew 18 to peter and the apostle, "Upon this ROCK! I will BUILD MY church and the gates of HELL shall NOT Overcome it." Jesus went on to say in Matthew 24:24 And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be PREACHED to ALL nations, for a Witness unto them then shall the end comes." Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:19-20 the New Test. Church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets and Jesus Christ is the chief corner stone. I just quoted you the right chapter and verse! You need to look up the Greek words where Peter and rock are used. You will see they are two different rocks. The ROCK! is Jesus and his teachings, which he has taught the apostles and his followers as the foundation for them to built on! He is the chief corner stone and all of the apostles teachings must line up with His teachings.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 29, 2019 18:02:08 GMT -5
Nathan; this is the downfall of the 2x2s is they are worshipping the 2x2 itinerant ministry. They will never allow Jesus his proper place as their Saviour until they learn that he IS GOD THE SON! How can they know salvation without believing in Jesus Christ? How? ** The 2x2 workers got everything correct Jesus New Testament ministry, the Trinity/worship Sunday morning meeting, no tithing, no speaking jiberish/intelligible tounges, and so on. The current workers and the friends somehow missing the mark and became Anti-Trinity and so Jesus God became Jesus ONLY the Son of God and that is they all believe NOW! They can't see or understand that jesus is the Son of God and also God the Christ. The workers are NOT getting it, hopefully the Holy Spirit can teach the friends and they can confront the workers of their errors on this subject. Nathan, getting everything right BUT ABOUT Jesus doesn’t equal salvation. That’s all tradition and rites. It’s done in rote form. Few really understand the significance of the tradition and rites. The whole thing is about Jesus Christ from beginning to end. He said so himself. “I am the Alpha and the Omega.” No where did he say prophets nor ministry nor meetings in the home makeup any part because he is it all.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 29, 2019 18:05:55 GMT -5
I just quoted you the right chapter and verse! You need to look up the Greek words where Peter and rock are used. You will see they are two different rocks. The ROCK! is Jesus and his teachings, which he has taught the apostles and his followers as the foundation for them to built on! He is the chief corner stone and all of the apostles teachings must line up with His teachings. His Apostles are supposed to be eyewitnesses of his very being, crucifixion and resurrection.
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Post by nathan on Nov 29, 2019 18:09:38 GMT -5
*** Your understanding is from a human view of understanding. Jesus said in Matthew 18 that His TRUE New Test. Church and ministry will continue to exist on the earth to the time of His 2nd Coming. Before sending out the 12 and 70 Jesus asked His apostles to PRAY to God the Father that He would send fire MORE labored/workers in the world because Jesus gospel MUST be preached to all nations to give the Gentiles opportunity to believe and accept Him as their Savior. Jesus words and promises are TRUE because God has preserved His TRUE church history documents so that we can read and see even the gates of HELL can't STOP it. God has raised and given men and women the REVELATION of Jesus Truth and Way doctrine on earth in every generation to carry on and continue to the time of His 2nd coming. If the 2x2 is NOT Jesus TRUE New Test. Church today? Then where is His New Test. Church on earth, today? If you can't find Jesus TRUE Church, today then God and Jesus are liars and I don't believe they are. I would say that no Christian Church as it exists today would be the 'one true church'. I would think that if Jesus did come back today he'd never recognize the religion that sprung up in his name. He was a Jew. He identified as a Jew. He believed in the Mosaic Law. He never intended to create a whole new religion. He wanted his fellow Jews to go back to their roots and be like they were in the OT. He felt that the priests had become corrupted. *** According to Jesus teachings in Matthew chapters 24 and 25 when Jesus Coming Back the 2nd time His TRUE Church/people are scattered to MANY nations on the earth, and He send His angel to sound the trumpet and they will hear the call and be taken up/raptured to meet Christ/Jeus in the sky. This is when ALL the believers to receive the NEW resurrection bodies so they can RULE and REIGN with Him on the earth 1000 yrs.
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