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Post by breakfree on Nov 23, 2019 7:34:33 GMT -5
There will be no "groups" in Heaven
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Post by blacksheep on Nov 23, 2019 10:56:07 GMT -5
There will be no "groups" in Heaven Of course not! Only one group (not groups), the 2x2s!
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Post by placid-void on Nov 23, 2019 12:31:08 GMT -5
There will be no "groups" in Heaven There are no "groups" on earth. "Heaven" is a spiritual conceptualization of the unknowable. "Groups" are a material interpretation of the known.
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Post by speak on Nov 23, 2019 19:58:44 GMT -5
There will be no "groups" in Heaven What a great revelation
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 21:06:17 GMT -5
There will be no "groups" in Heaven *** hmmmm but In John 10 Jesus said MY sheep HEAR MY VOICE and they shall FOLLOW me and they shall NOT hear or follow the voice of stranger/false shepherds.
Jesus said there will be ONE FOLD and ONE shepherd. Jesus said to the apostles, Upon this church I will BUILD MY CHURCH! and the gates of HELL shall NOT prevail against it.
So, my question to you WHERE IS Jesus 1st century Church and ONE FOLD he is talking about, today? He said even the gates of HELL can't defeat it! So, where is that church. Today?
Did Jesus LIE to us? I don't think he did, So, WHERE can we find it?
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 21:25:41 GMT -5
There will be no "groups" in Heaven *** How can you say no groups in heaven? In John 10 Jesus said MY sheep HEAR MY VOICE and they shall FOLLOW me and they shall NOT hear or follow the voice of stranger/false shepherds. Jesus said there will be ONE FOLD and ONE shepherd. Jesus to the apostles, Upon this church I will BUILD MY CHURCH! and the gates of HELL shall NOT prevail against it. So, my question to you WHERE IS Jesus 1st century Church and ONE FOLD he was talking about, today? He said even the gates of HELL can't defeat it! We read in the gospels, epistles of apostles, and the book of Acts Jesus and his apostles established their own New Testament church/group and they continue on AFTER his death. So, where is that church, Today? Did Jesus LIE to us? I don't think he did. So, WHERE can we find Jesus New Testament Church? Don't you think is is a false advertisement for God and Jesus to preserve the Bible and left His church on record for us to read and the church He talked about no longer here, today. Just like Sears company sent out millions catalog books full of toys merchandise to SELL but no merchandise to show forth at the warehouses or at any of the stores. Our God is NOT like Sears company! What He has promised He always delivers.
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Post by Dan on Nov 24, 2019 7:20:33 GMT -5
I wonder if there will be classifications? I mean its hard to believe this group of ne'er-do-wells will be eating at the same table with Abraham, Moses, Peter & Paul. "My reward is with me, to give every man according as his work" (Revelation 22:12). One group, but not necessarily total equality, I suspect a hierarchy? I'm shooting for lower middle class
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Post by blacksheep on Nov 24, 2019 8:29:54 GMT -5
Here's what I wonder: Will they have Mogen David?
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 24, 2019 10:14:49 GMT -5
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So, my question to you WHERE IS Jesus 1st century Church and ONE FOLD he was talking about, today? He said even the gates of HELL can't defeat it!
So, where is that church, Today?
Good question- with a simple and humbling answer - in peoples hearts and lives. “Grouping “ is what divides .
“So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,1 but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being jthe cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into aholy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.”
It is “normal “ that as humans we look to belong to the “right “ group , we want to be “in” and so we follow leaders who say “we “ are the right group
“I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.”
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 24, 2019 10:31:48 GMT -5
There will be no "groups" in Heaven *** hmmmm but In John 10 Jesus said MY sheep HEAR MY VOICE and they shall FOLLOW me and they shall NOT hear or follow the voice of stranger/false shepherds. Jesus said there will be ONE FOLD and ONE shepherd. Jesus to the apostles, Upon this church I will BUILD MY CHURCH! and the gates of HELL shall NOT prevail against it. So, my question to you WHERE IS Jesus 1st century Church and ONE FOLD he is talking about, today? He said even the gates of HELL can't defeat it! So, where is that church. Today? Did Jesus LIE to us? I don't think he did, So, WHERE can we find it? That’s a herd, not a group.
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2019 11:53:32 GMT -5
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So, my question to you WHERE IS Jesus 1st century Church and ONE FOLD he was talking about, today? He said even the gates of HELL can't defeat it! So, where is that church, Today? 1) Slowtosee: Good question- with a simple and humbling answer - in peoples hearts and lives. “Grouping “ is what divides . “So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,1 but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being jthe cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into aholy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.” It is “normal “ that as humans we look to belong to the “right “ group , we want to be “in” and so we follow leaders who say “we “ are the right group “I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” We read in the Bible the day is coming when God/Christ and his angels will divide the Sheep from the goats in the day of Judgment. The separation/divive the Tares from the Wheat and the angels will gather up the tares in bundles to be burned. When Jesus returns to rule the earth as King of kings we read the 5 foolish virgins were LEFT outside the gate during the Wedding feast celebration. We read the man was cast out of the wedding feast for NOT putting on the Garment/righteousness of Christ on.
You better think again and be on the RIGHT side with the Sheep and NOT on the LEFT side of the Goats on earth because after death it will be too late to change it, on that judgment day comes.
Here is Jesus teaching and he said this VERY clearly in Mat. 7:13-23
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2019 12:00:54 GMT -5
*** hmmmm but In John 10 Jesus said MY sheep HEAR MY VOICE and they shall FOLLOW me and they shall NOT hear or follow the voice of stranger/false shepherds. Jesus said there will be ONE FOLD and ONE shepherd. Jesus to the apostles, Upon this church I will BUILD MY CHURCH! and the gates of HELL shall NOT prevail against it. So, my question to you WHERE IS Jesus 1st century Church and ONE FOLD he is talking about, today? He said even the gates of HELL can't defeat it! So, where is that church. Today? Did Jesus LIE to us? I don't think he did, So, WHERE can we find it? That’s a herd, not a group. A group of sheep/herd that is ONE Fold or in the same sheep pen. God doesn't Scatter His sheep here and there wandering alone, fending for themselves without the protection of Christ's under shepherds. If they are wandering alone aimlessly with no shelter, food to eat in Satan's kingdom on earth, they will be slaughtered one by one.
Jesus said to Peter 3 times, Do you love me? Yes, Lord I love you. Then, "FEED and care for my lambs and sheep." God raise the servants of God as under shepherds to feed and care for His people on the earth from Satan's killing fields.
Jesus said MY Sheep hears my Voice and they shall follow me, and they will NOT hear and follow the voice of the false shepherds.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 12:32:43 GMT -5
That’s a herd, not a group. A group of sheep/herd that is ONE Fold or in the same sheep pen. God doesn't Scatter His sheep here and there wandering alone, fending for themselves without the protection of Christ's under shepherds. If they are wandering alone aimlessly with no shelter, food to eat in Satan's kingdom on earth, they will be slaughtered one by one.
Jesus said to Peter 3 times, Do you love me? Yes, Lord I love you. Then, "FEED and care for my lambs and sheep." God raise the servants of God as under shepherds to feed and care for His people on the earth from Satan's killing fields.
Jesus said MY Sheep hears my Voice and they shall follow me, and they will NOT hear and follow the voice of the false shepherds.
united we stand divided we fall...
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 24, 2019 13:08:10 GMT -5
That’s a herd, not a group. A group of sheep/herd that is ONE Fold or in the same sheep pen. God doesn't Scatter His sheep here and there wandering alone, fending for themselves without the protection of Christ's under shepherds. If they are wandering alone aimlessly with no shelter, food to eat in Satan's kingdom on earth, they will be slaughtered one by one.
Jesus said to Peter 3 times, Do you love me? Yes, Lord I love you. Then, "FEED and care for my lambs and sheep." God raise the servants of God as under shepherds to feed and care for His people on the earth from Satan's killing fields.
Jesus said MY Sheep hears my Voice and they shall follow me, and they will NOT hear and follow the voice of the false shepherds.
You misjudge the power of the keeping of the Holy Spirit!
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Post by snow on Nov 24, 2019 14:27:24 GMT -5
I wonder if there will be classifications? I mean its hard to believe this group of ne'er-do-wells will be eating at the same table with Abraham, Moses, Peter & Paul. "My reward is with me, to give every man according as his work" (Revelation 22:12). One group, but not necessarily total equality, I suspect a hierarchy? I'm shooting for lower middle class Well according to some branches of Christianity and most of Islam, there truly are different levels of paradise. Islam teaches that the suicide bombers get the top level and all those virgins. Makes me wonder though. Is there a top level for females in Islam heaven? You know, somewhere they don't have to be part of a harem just because they died a virgin.... I'm obviously headed to hell according to these two religions, so I intend to be cremated with a 'It's a Dry Heat' T shirt on.
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Post by snow on Nov 24, 2019 14:28:51 GMT -5
A group of sheep/herd that is ONE Fold or in the same sheep pen. God doesn't Scatter His sheep here and there wandering alone, fending for themselves without the protection of Christ's under shepherds. If they are wandering alone aimlessly with no shelter, food to eat in Satan's kingdom on earth, they will be slaughtered one by one.
Jesus said to Peter 3 times, Do you love me? Yes, Lord I love you. Then, "FEED and care for my lambs and sheep." God raise the servants of God as under shepherds to feed and care for His people on the earth from Satan's killing fields.
Jesus said MY Sheep hears my Voice and they shall follow me, and they will NOT hear and follow the voice of the false shepherds.
united we stand divided we fall... Then why are you a 2x2? They've taken 'divided' to a work of art level.
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Post by Grant on Nov 24, 2019 14:31:42 GMT -5
That’s a herd, not a group. A group of sheep/herd that is ONE Fold or in the same sheep pen. God doesn't Scatter His sheep here and there wandering alone, fending for themselves without the protection of Christ's under shepherds. If they are wandering alone aimlessly with no shelter, food to eat in Satan's kingdom on earth, they will be slaughtered one by one.
Jesus said to Peter 3 times, Do you love me? Yes, Lord I love you. Then, "FEED and care for my lambs and sheep." God raise the servants of God as under shepherds to feed and care for His people on the earth from Satan's killing fields.
Jesus said MY Sheep hears my Voice and they shall follow me, and they will NOT hear and follow the voice of the false shepherds.
All sheep do not live on one farm. There are many farms and each one has a shepherd (pastor) to care for the flock. Some farms are more healthy than others but each one is still a farm. The same as there are many churches, many families, many schools or many of everything in this world. Who ever says my family is the only true family because we come from Adam and Eve and you don't. Or our school is the right one because we trace back to the first school and so on in every walk of life. Sone are healthier than others, bullying occurs in some but those churches who say that are the true one are just grasping at straws.
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2019 15:17:38 GMT -5
A group of sheep/herd that is ONE Fold or in the same sheep pen. God doesn't Scatter His sheep here and there wandering alone, fending for themselves without the protection of Christ's under shepherds. If they are wandering alone aimlessly with no shelter, food to eat in Satan's kingdom on earth, they will be slaughtered one by one.
Jesus said to Peter 3 times, Do you love me? Yes, Lord I love you. Then, "FEED and care for my lambs and sheep." God raise the servants of God as under shepherds to feed and care for His people on the earth from Satan's killing fields.
Jesus said MY Sheep hears my Voice and they shall follow me, and they will NOT hear and follow the voice of the false shepherds.
You misjudge the power of the keeping of the Holy Spirit! And you do NOT believe the teachings of Jesus/God our Savior.
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2019 15:20:45 GMT -5
united we stand divided we fall... Then why are you a 2x2? They've taken 'divided' to a work of art level. Because Jesus said so! ONE fold and His fold ONLY. Do you read of any other group or churches/40,000 plus Christianity denominations like we have today in the First Century church of Jesus and the apostles New Testament ministry and fellowship?
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Post by Grant on Nov 24, 2019 18:43:37 GMT -5
Then why are you a 2x2? They've taken 'divided' to a work of art level. Because Jesus said so! ONE fold and His fold ONLY. Do you read of any other group or churches/40,000 plus Christianity denominations like we have today in the First Century church of Jesus and the apostles New Testament ministry and fellowship? Yes we are one fold Nathan. What will happen when you meet baptists, pentecostals and other church folk in heaven? Will you stay in your little corner saying I'm not mixing with them or will you join in with other Christians. Need to start learning to down here I guess. The ones you do follow like this Stranges guy is questionable
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 24, 2019 18:53:39 GMT -5
Because Jesus said so! ONE fold and His fold ONLY. Do you read of any other group or churches/40,000 plus Christianity denominations like we have today in the First Century church of Jesus and the apostles New Testament ministry and fellowship? Yes we are one fold Nathan. What will happen when you meet baptists, pentecostals and other church folk in heaven? Will you stay in your little corner saying I'm not mixing with them or will you join in with other Christians. Need to start learning to down here I guess. The ones you do follow like this Stranges guy is questionable But you forgot that according the nathan "Stranges" is going to be in heaven Grant !!! But no Baptists, Catholics etc ...just his idol "Stranges" !!!!
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2019 20:59:19 GMT -5
Because Jesus said so! ONE fold and His fold ONLY. Do you read of any other group or churches/40,000 plus Christianity denominations like we have today in the First Century church of Jesus and the apostles New Testament ministry and fellowship? Yes we are one fold Nathan. What will happen when you meet baptists, pentecostals and other church folk in heaven? Will you stay in your little corner saying I'm not mixing with them or will you join in with other Christians. Need to start learning to down here I guess. The ones you do follow like this Stranges guy is questionable No, We are NOT one fold. I have learned it down here already, and I came out of the RCC and Pentecostal... We don't get along here on earth how are they going to get along in heaven. I don't believe God will allow any of these 40,000 plus denominations in heaven, because it will cause a BIG MESS up there. Wheat and Tares will NOT be allowed in heaven, God/his angels will separate them after death and at the time of the harvest or at Jesus 2nd coming.
I am NOT a follower of Frank Stranges, I just believe what he wrote is the truth and you and those like you don't believe his testimony.
Here is a good video why there are so MANY churches/denominations. www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH79F0Hn56U
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 4:15:43 GMT -5
Will only 144000 go to heaven? They believe the 144,000 (which they consider to be synonymous with the "little flock" of Luke 12:32) will serve with Christ as king-priests for a thousand years, while all other people accepted by God (the "other sheep" of John 10:16, composed of "the great crowd" of Revelation 7:9,14 and the resurrected "righteous ...
It looks like 2x2's have got that time slot filled up. Oh well, you can't help bad luck, just bought the wrong ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 4:30:29 GMT -5
Will only 144000 go to heaven? They believe the 144,000 (which they consider to be synonymous with the "little flock" of Luke 12:32) will serve with Christ as king-priests for a thousand years, while all other people accepted by God (the "other sheep" of John 10:16, composed of "the great crowd" of Revelation 7:9,14 and the resurrected "righteous ... It looks like 2x2's have got that time slot filled up. Oh well, you can't help bad luck, just bought the wrong ticket. your confusing JW doctrine with 2x2 doctrine...
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Post by nathan on Nov 25, 2019 9:02:18 GMT -5
Will only 144000 go to heaven? They believe the 144,000 (which they consider to be synonymous with the "little flock" of Luke 12:32) will serve with Christ as king-priests for a thousand years, while all other people accepted by God (the "other sheep" of John 10:16, composed of "the great crowd" of Revelation 7:9,14 and the resurrected "righteous ... It looks like 2x2's have got that time slot filled up. Oh well, you can't help bad luck, just bought the wrong ticket. In the beginning of their group, The Jehovah Witnesses took those verse 144,000 number literally and scared a lot of people to join, and once they filled the 144,000 members then they don't use that verse anymore.
Numbers in Revelation are symbolic. 10, and its multiples like 1,000, represent completeness or fullness. 12 symbolizes the church (twelve tribes of Israel, twelve apostles). The product of multiplying these numbers is 144,000. That number represents the entire church of God in Old and New Testament times.
We come across the 144,000 first in Revelation 7:4, where God sealed his believers on earth. Then, we see the 144,000 again in Revelation 14:1. This time they are in heaven. Their presence in heaven illustrates what Jesus said in John 10:27-29 – “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
wels.net/faq/the-144000-of-revelation/
~~ The Great “multitude that no one could count” from Revelation 7:9 makes it clear that the number 144,000 is symbolic and not literal. The great multitude no man could number are the believers of Jesus TRUE church/believers who endured to the end of their lives through the centuries years of Tribulation on earth. Jesus said in Matthew 24:13 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
~~ We 2x2s believe we are part of that Great multitude TRUE Church of God in the 21 century 1898- to the time of Jesus returns The same group of the 1st century.
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Post by snow on Nov 25, 2019 12:39:06 GMT -5
Then why are you a 2x2? They've taken 'divided' to a work of art level. Because Jesus said so! ONE fold and His fold ONLY. Do you read of any other group or churches/40,000 plus Christianity denominations like we have today in the First Century church of Jesus and the apostles New Testament ministry and fellowship? I asked Wally that because he stated that 'united you stand, divided you fall'. And the 2x2 group prides themselves on being divided. Therefore the question. I can't believe that Jesus is happy with a group that says they are the only way to heaven, that divides itself, is very secretive from the rest of the world etc. He said don't hide your light, place it in a high place for the world to see, but the Workers teach the exact opposite. They hide the group from the world not welcoming those who would like to know about the group etc. So why is Wally part of a group that is so divided from all the other Christians?
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Post by snow on Nov 25, 2019 12:41:03 GMT -5
Will only 144000 go to heaven? They believe the 144,000 (which they consider to be synonymous with the "little flock" of Luke 12:32) will serve with Christ as king-priests for a thousand years, while all other people accepted by God (the "other sheep" of John 10:16, composed of "the great crowd" of Revelation 7:9,14 and the resurrected "righteous ... It looks like 2x2's have got that time slot filled up. Oh well, you can't help bad luck, just bought the wrong ticket. your confusing JW doctrine with 2x2 doctrine... It is biblical though.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 25, 2019 13:08:16 GMT -5
A group of sheep/herd that is ONE Fold or in the same sheep pen. God doesn't Scatter His sheep here and there wandering alone, fending for themselves without the protection of Christ's under shepherds. If they are wandering alone aimlessly with no shelter, food to eat in Satan's kingdom on earth, they will be slaughtered one by one.
Jesus said to Peter 3 times, Do you love me? Yes, Lord I love you. Then, "FEED and care for my lambs and sheep." God raise the servants of God as under shepherds to feed and care for His people on the earth from Satan's killing fields.
Jesus said MY Sheep hears my Voice and they shall follow me, and they will NOT hear and follow the voice of the false shepherds.
All sheep do not live on one farm. There are many farms and each one has a shepherd (pastor) to care for the flock. Some farms are more healthy than others but each one is still a farm. The same as there are many churches, many families, many schools or many of everything in this world. Who ever says my family is the only true family because we come from Adam and Eve and you don't. Or our school is the right one because we trace back to the first school and so on in every walk of life. Sone are healthier than others, bullying occurs in some but those churches who say that are the true one are just gasping at straws. It was mentioned in a sermon, that people have to always feel special better then others. It’s been the downfall of many secret societies, the Knights Templar, the Masons, the Illuminati, and now the 2x2s. Any who says they’re the only true church have to sooner or later realize that is a lie because the only true church is Jesus’ church which according to the Bible is presently scattered to the four corners of the earth. Even places that have never heard of the 2x2s.
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