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Post by jetmech on Dec 1, 2019 23:12:39 GMT -5
When Christians talk about killing for the "sin" -- can they do it without killing the sinner? Ask GOD that question in regards to the flood,and Sodom and Gamorrah.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 1, 2019 23:14:42 GMT -5
When Christians talk about killing for the "sin" -- can they do it without killing the sinner? e Ask GOD that question in regards to the flood,and Sodom and Gamorrah. But God said he's not going to bring a world flood again.
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 1, 2019 23:15:18 GMT -5
What does the Bible say , was Sodom and Gomorrah’s sin ?
Wasn’t it the sin of inhospitality, and arrogance ? Exekiel 16 49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 23:15:28 GMT -5
e Ask GOD that question in regards to the flood,and Sodom and Gamorrah. But God said he's not going to bring a world flood again. this time it will be fire...not much better aye?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 23:23:08 GMT -5
What does the Bible say , was Sodom and Gomorrah’s sin ? Wasn’t it the sin of inhospitality, and arrogance ? and what did the 2 angels do to those that wanted them for sex?
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 1, 2019 23:25:31 GMT -5
What does the Bible say , was Sodom and Gomorrah’s sin ? Wasn’t it the sin of inhospitality, and arrogance ? and what did the 2 angels do to those that wanted them for sex? 49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and n
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 23:33:54 GMT -5
and what did the 2 angels do to those that wanted them for sex? 49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and n i know the verse it doesn't mention homosexuality.... now answer my question. what did the 2 angels do to those who confronted them with homosexuality and wanted them for sex?
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 1, 2019 23:37:04 GMT -5
RAPE , as was the intention of these men ,,whether by heterosexual or homosexual is TERRIBLE sin . Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 23:41:19 GMT -5
RAPE , as was the intention of these men ,,whether by heterosexual or homosexual is TERRIBLE sin . Alvin your dodging the question...there is no mention of force in that account...
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 1, 2019 23:46:49 GMT -5
Hmmmm , not looking at the account now , but I recall they were trying to FORCE their way in through the door to RAPE when they were blinded ? Alvin
The myth of Sodom and Gomorrah’s sin being homosexuality , is commonly promoted and believed .
Again , 49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 23:53:08 GMT -5
Hmmmm , not looking at the account now , but I recall they were trying to FORCE their way in through the door to RAPE when they were blinded ? Alvin The myth of Sodom and Gomorrah’s sin being homosexuality , is commonly promoted and believed . Again , 49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy” it says they encompassed the house...nothing about forcing their way in through the door....
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Post by nathan on Dec 2, 2019 0:06:01 GMT -5
Question: "What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?"
Answer: The biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah is recorded in Genesis chapters 18-19. Genesis chapter 18 records the Lord and two angels coming to speak with Abraham. The Lord informed Abraham that "the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous" (Genesis 18:20). Verses 22-33 record Abraham pleading with the Lord to have mercy on Sodom and Gomorrah because Abraham's nephew, Lot, and his family lived in Sodom. Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them'" (Genesis 19:4–5). The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities..." (Genesis 19:24). In light of the passage, the most common response to the question "What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?" is that it was homosexuality. That is how the term "sodomy" came to be used to refer to anal sex between two men, whether consensual or forced. Clearly, homosexuality was part of why God destroyed the two cities. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to perform homosexual gang rape on the two angels (who were disguised as men). At the same time, it is not biblical to say that homosexuality was the exclusive reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were definitely not exclusive in terms of the sins in which they indulged. Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me..." The Hebrew word translated "detestable" refers to something that is morally disgusting and is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an "abomination." Similarly, Jude 7 declares, "...Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion." So, again, while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.www.gotquestions.org/Sodom-and-Gomorrah.html
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 2, 2019 0:09:34 GMT -5
Hmmmm , not looking at the account now , but I recall they were trying to FORCE their way in through the door to RAPE when they were blinded ? Alvin The myth of Sodom and Gomorrah’s sin being homosexuality , is commonly promoted and believed . Again , 49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy” it says they encompassed the house...nothing about forcing their way in through the door.... And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. 10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 0:20:59 GMT -5
it says they encompassed the house...nothing about forcing their way in through the door.... And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. 10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door touche! i stand corrected....that still doesn't say rape to me it cries homosexuality...here is the whole account: Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; Gen 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. Gen 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, Gen 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Gen 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. Gen 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. Gen 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. Gen 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 2, 2019 0:26:32 GMT -5
ummmm i remember them showing cartoons of "how to do it" they were quite graphic... Cartoons are always graphic. Imagine a non graphic cartoon. The following post is an example
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 2, 2019 0:27:10 GMT -5
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 2, 2019 0:52:36 GMT -5
And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. 10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door touche! i stand corrected....that still doesn't say rape to me it cries homosexuality...here is the whole account: Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; Gen 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. Gen 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, Gen 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Gen 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. Gen 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. Gen 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. Gen 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. Seems obvious it was nonconsensual sex was the intent , constituting rape? Gender wasn’t the issue ? Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 1:00:17 GMT -5
touche! i stand corrected....that still doesn't say rape to me it cries homosexuality...here is the whole account: Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; Gen 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. Gen 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, Gen 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Gen 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. Gen 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. Gen 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. Gen 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. Seems obvious it was nonconsensual sex was the intent , constituting rape? Gender wasn’t the issue ? Alvin then why did lot say do not so wickedly...here are my 2 daughters who have not known a man and do to them what you want only don't do anything to the men? clear sign that sex with his daughters was better than homosexual sex with men... or are you saying he said rape for my daughters is better than rape for men?....especially considering the other verses about homosexuality in the bible...i smell a fish
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 2, 2019 8:44:52 GMT -5
- or was it that Lot recognized the status of his guests , and had no sons to offer - any which way -male , female , angel , whatever- rape was the intent . Terrible
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2019 13:20:42 GMT -5
Ok, Chapter 17 is about God making Abraham and all his male household get circumcised. Not one word about angels even let alone the word Venusian angel. Chapter 18 is Abraham talking to 'The Lord' and arguing with him about how many people have to be righteous before the Lord will destroy the cities. Again, no mention of Venusian angels. There were three men though. Chapter 19 These three men from Chapter 18 turn into 2 angels and they go down to the cities and talk to Lot. Again, while we have angels, it doesn't say they come from another planet. And, interestingly enough, Lot addresses them as 'my Lords'. So it appears that Jesus can be addressed as my Lord and not be a God after all, if angels can be called 'my Lords'. Then it talks about God destroying the cities and Lots daughters seducing him and having 2 sons that became the fathers of the Moabites and the Ammonites. Again no mention of any off planet interference. I think you add far too much to the bible and I think I read somewhere that adding to the bible is a sin. I know that you think that's ridiculous and that the RCC should have included more books, but that's not what the bible says, so.... Like I said before the Bible that we have it has ONLY 66 books the RCC LEFT out many books, which they did NOT include. So, many information we can gather from other books to help us to see a better picture of thing/events. The Bible has ONLY 4000 yrs history! From Adam to the book of Revelation. The Bible do NOT have any more records to be recorded there and if you put ALL of your eggs in that basket then you are like a cave woman with that period mentality in the 21st century. You MUST THINK outside of the BOX to see a complete picture of thing.
66 books/the Bible have enough information about the Messiah/the Redeemer plans of Salvation to SAVE mankind. The rest of the addition information are available to us, just like putting icing and sprinkles on the cake!
Where do you do READ in the Bible it says that adding to the Bible is a sin? How can it be a sin where there are 100s more books did not made it into the Bible because the RCC decided ONLY 66 made the cut or selected by men in the 4th century.
The information I got about the TWO angels came down with Christ/God to earth in Genesis chapters 18-19 came from the TWO humans looking angels from Interior planet Venus themselves. They were sent to help Christ because of Abraham's prayers to God the Father and Christ to spare his nephew Lot from that wicked cities Sodom and Gomorrah. THREE men! one is the LORD God himself/Christ and the other TWO men with him were human looking angels.
Cave #1 From the Dead Sea Scrolls: UFO/The wheel within the Wheel/Chariot of fire and heavenly Created Beings/Angels from the planet Venus Morning and Evening Star
www.rense.com/general66/cave.htm
From the Dead Sea Scroll #3 Cave #3 Valiant Thor Guardian angels human looking people are Venusians, they have been mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the in Old Testament.
The Lord (Elohim) instructed his Angels, both from the Morning and Evening Star/Venus Planet, to assist Lot and his family to escape what was to befall the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis chapters 17,18,19.
The Two Chosen ones instructed Lot and his family to drape themselves in white Garments (fine linen) and run away from the cities with great haste. Then a voice came from the darkening skies from on high and the other Heavenly Messengers, also from the Morning and Evening Star who rode in their chariots of fire saying unto all of them below, "Make haste because the judgment of Almighty God is about to fall upon these cities. We are prepared to obey His Voice and point our fire-spears towards the cities of sin and destroy them according to the Divine Will of the Father. Then a white light as bright as the sun blazed behind them and the Earth did shake with a mighty roar. The elements did separate as the cities of sin were leveled to the ground. The air above the Earth was filled with destructive dust and everyone including the animals. "The smoke rose into the heaven and did cloak the ground with destruction. Thus, the messengers, from the Stars did likewise accomplish their mission as their wheels returned to the skies where they rested with others in their home which was high above the Earth." "She who was the wife of Lot, because of her disobedience, did turn around and gaze upon the destruction. She was turned into what appeared to be the salt of the land and the deadly destructive dust that clung over the Earth did indeed cause her life to cease. The smoke and vapor from the cities rose higher and higher as the cities were laid waste in the wilderness on the plains of Zoar that morning." Jesus is speaking: "I have already made provisions so do not allow your pure mind, your pure heart or your spirit to become disturbed. I am well aware that the evil one and his followers have already tried and tempted you and attempted to try your faith. He is very busy and his evil activities shall increase as the time of the end shall appear." "His own angels whom I have cast out of the Heavenlies, down to Earth, are busy attempting to, in every way, to destroy your faith. But you my children shall be assisted by My Angels and other Heavenly Messengers, who will reveal themselves in chariots of fire. They will bring you a message that will cause you to be encircled with My Holy Flame of Fire that will cause much discomfort to the enemy. They shall also minister to you and protect you because I have assigned them to do so with the word of my mouth. I have spoken thus."
"Now I shall leave you for but a brief season. Meanwhile, My Spirit shall accompany you always. You will never be comfortless. Even so I am with you always even unto the time of the end. My love shall embrace you as never before. For I am the Lord that changes not and I shall keep My word." ~~ NathanB: The TWO humans looking guardian angels came to earth in 1942-2000s said Christ is their creator from the Interior planet Venus. We call them Venusians beings from the Interior planet of Venus. Satan is also a Venusian, he also was created by Christ and originated from there. So, I put two and two together with the help from people who had seen with their own eyes and other people who had known about it.
I posted these information for 10 yrs on TMB. I don't think people want to read it again. Yes I do understand the RCC left out lots of books they didn't want anyone to read. They offered equality between the genders some of those gospels and that wouldn't do for a group that only wanted men to be in the upper hierarchy. However, here is a list of verses in the bible that says don't add to the bible. www.openbible.info/topics/adding_to_the_bible
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2019 13:32:57 GMT -5
I don't care one wit about Christmas and I'm not sure why you would even mention it. It has no meaning for me. It's just another holiday. So no guilt trip from me in that regard. So you admit that the bible advocates hate? Is that a good thing? Should anyone hate? Does it do anyone any good? Should Christians hate people? Well Snow I don't think GOD loved Sodom and Gamorrah! Who says it was God that didn't love those cities? Other than the bible of course. It could just be the Hebrews that had it in for the cities so they bad mouthed them in 'their book' after their destruction that they may not have known why it happened. We know that the Summarians did document the destruction of two cities from an astorioid blast, so it could have been the ones the Hebrews are talking about. However, that doesn't make the story about Lot and his clam true. In fact it's more likely it's not. Archaeological findings know that 3,700 years ago there was an asteroid that hit the atmosphere and destroyed much of the area. There is no evidence that Sodam and Gomorrah existed but we do know that a vast area near modern day Jordan was blasted with a fireball from an astorioid around that time and it took about 6 centuries for anything to grow in the area because of contamination of soil and the heat turning sand into a glass like ground covering. www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2018/12/04/new-science-suggests-biblical-city-of-sodom-was-smote-by-an-exploding-meteor/#dbaac635c677This was also an interesting read. www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/sodom-gomorrah-scientific-evidence-00358
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2019 13:35:29 GMT -5
Hmmmm , not looking at the account now , but I recall they were trying to FORCE their way in through the door to RAPE when they were blinded ? Alvin The myth of Sodom and Gomorrah’s sin being homosexuality , is commonly promoted and believed . Again , 49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy” it says they encompassed the house...nothing about forcing their way in through the door.... The men blinded the surrounding crowd so that they could no longer find the door. Apparently they were trying to break the door down.
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Post by nathan on Dec 2, 2019 13:58:34 GMT -5
Like I said before the Bible that we have it has ONLY 66 books the RCC LEFT out many books, which they did NOT include. So, many information we can gather from other books to help us to see a better picture of thing/events. The Bible has ONLY 4000 yrs history! From Adam to the book of Revelation. The Bible do NOT have any more records to be recorded there and if you put ALL of your eggs in that basket then you are like a cave woman with that period mentality in the 21st century. You MUST THINK outside of the BOX to see a complete picture of thing.
66 books/the Bible have enough information about the Messiah/the Redeemer plans of Salvation to SAVE mankind. The rest of the addition information are available to us, just like putting icing and sprinkles on the cake!
Where do you do READ in the Bible it says that adding to the Bible is a sin? How can it be a sin where there are 100s more books did not made it into the Bible because the RCC decided ONLY 66 made the cut or selected by men in the 4th century.
The information I got about the TWO angels came down with Christ/God to earth in Genesis chapters 18-19 came from the TWO humans looking angels from Interior planet Venus themselves. They were sent to help Christ because of Abraham's prayers to God the Father and Christ to spare his nephew Lot from that wicked cities Sodom and Gomorrah. THREE men! one is the LORD God himself/Christ and the other TWO men with him were human looking angels.
Cave #1 From the Dead Sea Scrolls: UFO/The wheel within the Wheel/Chariot of fire and heavenly Created Beings/Angels from the planet Venus Morning and Evening Star
www.rense.com/general66/cave.htm
From the Dead Sea Scroll #3 Cave #3 Valiant Thor Guardian angels human looking people are Venusians, they have been mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the in Old Testament.
The Lord (Elohim) instructed his Angels, both from the Morning and Evening Star/Venus Planet, to assist Lot and his family to escape what was to befall the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis chapters 17,18,19.
The Two Chosen ones instructed Lot and his family to drape themselves in white Garments (fine linen) and run away from the cities with great haste. Then a voice came from the darkening skies from on high and the other Heavenly Messengers, also from the Morning and Evening Star who rode in their chariots of fire saying unto all of them below, "Make haste because the judgment of Almighty God is about to fall upon these cities. We are prepared to obey His Voice and point our fire-spears towards the cities of sin and destroy them according to the Divine Will of the Father. Then a white light as bright as the sun blazed behind them and the Earth did shake with a mighty roar. The elements did separate as the cities of sin were leveled to the ground. The air above the Earth was filled with destructive dust and everyone including the animals. "The smoke rose into the heaven and did cloak the ground with destruction. Thus, the messengers, from the Stars did likewise accomplish their mission as their wheels returned to the skies where they rested with others in their home which was high above the Earth." "She who was the wife of Lot, because of her disobedience, did turn around and gaze upon the destruction. She was turned into what appeared to be the salt of the land and the deadly destructive dust that clung over the Earth did indeed cause her life to cease. The smoke and vapor from the cities rose higher and higher as the cities were laid waste in the wilderness on the plains of Zoar that morning." Jesus is speaking: "I have already made provisions so do not allow your pure mind, your pure heart or your spirit to become disturbed. I am well aware that the evil one and his followers have already tried and tempted you and attempted to try your faith. He is very busy and his evil activities shall increase as the time of the end shall appear." "His own angels whom I have cast out of the Heavenlies, down to Earth, are busy attempting to, in every way, to destroy your faith. But you my children shall be assisted by My Angels and other Heavenly Messengers, who will reveal themselves in chariots of fire. They will bring you a message that will cause you to be encircled with My Holy Flame of Fire that will cause much discomfort to the enemy. They shall also minister to you and protect you because I have assigned them to do so with the word of my mouth. I have spoken thus."
"Now I shall leave you for but a brief season. Meanwhile, My Spirit shall accompany you always. You will never be comfortless. Even so I am with you always even unto the time of the end. My love shall embrace you as never before. For I am the Lord that changes not and I shall keep My word." ~~ NathanB: The TWO humans looking guardian angels came to earth in 1942-2000s said Christ is their creator from the Interior planet Venus. We call them Venusians beings from the Interior planet of Venus. Satan is also a Venusian, he also was created by Christ and originated from there. So, I put two and two together with the help from people who had seen with their own eyes and other people who had known about it.
I posted these information for 10 yrs on TMB. I don't think people want to read it again. Yes I do understand the RCC left out lots of books they didn't want anyone to read. They offered equality between the genders some of those gospels and that wouldn't do for a group that only wanted men to be in the upper hierarchy. However, here is a list of verses in the bible that says don't add to the bible. www.openbible.info/topics/adding_to_the_bible*** There are many Jesus teachings and sayings are found in the Dead Sea caves scrolls and they were NOT included in the Bible. So, is it a sin to read it because it NOT part of the Bible. Jesus and the apostles quoted the book of Enoch and that book the RCC did NOT add to the 66 books/Bible. So, it is a sin for me to quote the book of Enoch and Jesus teachings from the Dead Sea scrolls.
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2019 14:16:17 GMT -5
The only way to truly help anybody- is to love them. Well I'm glad that love is your answer. But what happens if the only help they need is protection from people that think they need help for their 'illness' and should be cured of their homosexuality? Keep on loving them, I agree, but don't try and change them. That would be the loving thing to do imo.
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2019 14:18:40 GMT -5
Yes I do understand the RCC left out lots of books they didn't want anyone to read. They offered equality between the genders some of those gospels and that wouldn't do for a group that only wanted men to be in the upper hierarchy. However, here is a list of verses in the bible that says don't add to the bible. www.openbible.info/topics/adding_to_the_bible*** There are many Jesus teachings and sayings are found in the Dead Sea caves scrolls and they were NOT included in the Bible. So, is it a sin to read it because it NOT part of the Bible. Jesus and the apostles quoted the book of Enoch and that book the RCC did NOT add to the 66 books/Bible. So, it is a sin for me to quote the book of Enoch and Jesus teachings from the Dead Sea scrolls. Don't ask me if it's a sin. All I can go by is what the bible says. It's a sin to add to the Bible. I think it's all a bit crazy to limit what people can read, but then I'm an atheist that has no restrictions when it comes to researching a subject of interest.
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Post by nathan on Dec 2, 2019 15:05:28 GMT -5
*** There are many Jesus teachings and sayings are found in the Dead Sea caves scrolls and they were NOT included in the Bible. So, is it a sin to read it because it NOT part of the Bible. Jesus and the apostles quoted the book of Enoch and that book the RCC did NOT add to the 66 books/Bible. So, it is a sin for me to quote the book of Enoch and Jesus teachings from the Dead Sea scrolls. Don't ask me if it's a sin. All I can go by is what the bible says. It's a sin to add to the Bible. I think it's all a bit crazy to limit what people can read, but then I'm an atheist that has no restrictions when it comes to researching a subject of interest. ** The Bible doesn't Say that. Where does it says it is a sin to add the Bible. There are 100s translations are out there and they add and subtract things from the original text. Have these people committed sin add-ons things to the Bible? I believe John the apostle wrote NOT to add quotes to or take away in the book of Revelation and NOT the Bible.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 2, 2019 17:25:04 GMT -5
Seems obvious it was nonconsensual sex was the intent , constituting rape? Gender wasn’t the issue ? Alvin then why did lot say do not so wickedly...here are my 2 daughters who have not known a man and do to them what you want only don't do anything to the men? clear sign that sex with his daughters was better than homosexual sex with men... or are you saying he said rape for my daughters is better than rape for men?....especially considering the other verses about homosexuality in the bible...i smell a fish Simple, Wally. Females were property, equivalent to cattle; and male guests were to be treated respectfully.
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2019 18:28:48 GMT -5
Don't ask me if it's a sin. All I can go by is what the bible says. It's a sin to add to the Bible. I think it's all a bit crazy to limit what people can read, but then I'm an atheist that has no restrictions when it comes to researching a subject of interest. ** The Bible doesn't Say that. Where does it says it is a sin to add the Bible. There are 100s translations are out there and they add and subtract things from the original text. Have these people committed sin add-ons things to the Bible? I believe John the apostle wrote NOT to add quotes to the or take away in the book of Revelation and NOT the Bible. Did you read the link I sent you. Yes John did say that in Revelations. Why do you think it only applies to Revelations. He didn't say that. Since the bible is considered the only book that is actually God's book adding anything from any other book seems to be the wrong thing to do. Here is what Proverbs says. Proverbs 30:6 ESV Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. Galatians talks about not listening to other gospels, so the books that didn't make the bible are forbidden. That's why the RCC tried to ban and destroy the gospels found in Nag Hammadi. I thought the highlighted part of the Galatians verse was interesting. You claim that Valiant Thor is an angel teaching something different like God and Jesus live in Venus, but none of that is in the bible and this verse warns of listening to even those who come claiming to be angels. Sound familiar? Galatians 1:6-9 ESV I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
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