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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 3:17:41 GMT -5
I believe so. God showed others first or before me. I wasn't the first or the ONLY one knows about these things. Now, you know, many on TMB know for 10 yrs that I posted about these things, and the workers and the friends come/read it on TMB around the world knows about it, also.
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Post by chuck on Nov 23, 2019 5:01:07 GMT -5
nathan what does ETERNAL mean?. How can you reverse what Jesus's has promised is ETERNAL?. If you can reverse something ETERNAL what do you need JESUS for?. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:27-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:27-29&version=NIVWhy do you doubt? ETERNAL life as described by Jesus is the NEXT life...there you go again leaking JW or other doctrine... You have been brainwashed. You are saved WHEN you believe, It is scriptual!. Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. - John 3:36 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John3:36&version=NIV47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. - John 6:47 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John6:47&version=NIV
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Post by jetmech on Nov 23, 2019 5:16:41 GMT -5
👎 I read a poem by Paul in the book of Enoch ... and one sentence seemed prayerful where Paul asked God " ... Let me know the things that Angels don't even know ..." So, why couldn't Nathan know some things you don't know Roselyn ... I'm just sayin' ... ummm are you sure it was paul in the book of enoch? the book of enoch would have been written before the flood i think? You're right. The poem was on the sight where the book of Enoch is as well as many other books. My bad ... but still... my statement about Nathan atill stands.
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Post by chuck on Nov 23, 2019 5:23:02 GMT -5
nathan what does ETERNAL mean?. How can you reverse what Jesus's has promised is ETERNAL?. If you can reverse something ETERNAL what do you need JESUS for?. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:27-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:27-29&version=NIVWhy do you doubt? Because MOST of the Christians, 2x2s, and Exes have seen the RESULTS before our eyes! OSAS doctrine is False. The RCC and Most Protestant denominations DO NOT believe in OSAS doctrine. We have seen OSAS is false on TMB. Some of the atheists on TMB once were workers, church elders and heartily saints and now they Deny there is NO Jesus, God, or any supreme beings in the sky.
I have seen some exes and ex-2x2 atheists, return to God and serve Him faithfully to the end of life, you can't tell me they were NOT saved at all. While there is life there is hope, my friend!
Again your hung up on a systems. When will you realise they are Dung!. They don't save you. Its a narrow way Nathan. You dont serve for salvation. You keep side stepping this 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:28-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:28-29&version=NIV5 The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels. - Revelation 3:5 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation3:5&version=NIV
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Post by chuck on Nov 23, 2019 5:26:39 GMT -5
Yes Nathan I was really inspired to go to a Baptist church after the thread/video posted up the other day 🤦♂️. Like I keep saying your reliance on a system is evident and a grave error. Nowhere in the scriptures is salvation tied to anything but The grace of God and the blood of Christ. SEE folks! This 2x2 chuckie, is NOT going to be a 2x2 VERY long. He has been to the Baptist henhouse and take the verses they use for their OSAS doctrine as his belief. I TOLD You so, now the truth has come out. Go, where it brings you peace the non-exclusive 2x2 believer, Chuckie but you must live with your choice for ETERNITY.
Im am seriously srarting to doubt your intelligence Nathan. You may want to rephrase that post before you are accused of lying!. You have been indoctrinated my friend.
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Post by chuck on Nov 23, 2019 5:30:57 GMT -5
nathan sharingtheriches @roselyn T I am a born and Bred 2x2. I am currently a proffesing 2x2. I do not believe 2x2's have exclusive rights to salvation as in my posts above. I do not hide my views when the occasion arises. I do not go out of my way to express my beliefs as it will ruin my family. Proof right there that 2x2 is a CULT. chuck thank you for your response, sorry if I assumed wrong. I agree with your views of the 2x2s. Its fine. I love things about the 2x2's. But they are in a death spiral wrecking lives as they go down.
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Post by chuck on Nov 23, 2019 5:37:39 GMT -5
Yes Nathan I was really inspired to go to a Baptist church after the thread/video posted up the other day 🤦♂️. Like I keep saying your reliance on a system is evident and a grave error. Nowhere in the scriptures is salvation tied to anything but The grace of God and the blood of Christ. As long as you continue to preach Jesus only, chuck, you will be at odds with a lot of 2x2s. Clearly Nathan has shown us that to be a 2x2 you have to believe in the ministry. To believe in Jesus only you're on the way out. Jesus living on venus is accepted but accepting other fellowships is not. It's the unforgivable sin and results in a loss of your salvation worthy of being kicked out. Even not believing in the Trinity is not as big a sin as accepting other Christians as fellow believers. Nathan makes the rules of what is good 2x2 and what is not. It's enough to drive anyone from this board let alone the fellowship. This behaviour in open minds is unacceptable but understand why they think this way. I honestly believe most are sincere and have no idea the effect of this style of and continuous preaching has on their minds.
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Post by chuck on Nov 23, 2019 5:42:06 GMT -5
Oh so you know for sure do you @wally !!! Wally is Nathans lap dog. Wally accuses me of being a JW. Nathan accuses me of being Baptist Wally forgets he accused me of being JW and likes Nathans Baptist accusing post. I call him out on it. Now they both look like fools because I'm neither. And even bigger fools that they haven't worked out by now I don't need any system's to be saved by Christ!
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Post by chuck on Nov 23, 2019 5:44:56 GMT -5
I read a poem by Paul in the book of Enoch ... and one sentence seemed prayerful where Paul asked God " ... Let me know the things that Angels don't even know ..." So, why couldn't Nathan know some things you don't know Roselyn ... I'm just sayin' ... So is it possible others know things that Master yoda Nathan doesn't? Im just sayin'....
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 23, 2019 7:00:37 GMT -5
I read a poem by Paul in the book of Enoch ... and one sentence seemed prayerful where Paul asked God " ... Let me know the things that Angels don't even know ..." So, why couldn't Nathan know some things you don't know Roselyn ... I'm just sayin' ... Oh so nathan knows things that even the Workers of his church don't know....really jetmech ? Did you miss my question jetmech ? Are you saying God only speaks to nathan ? Surely he must speak to the Workers ...?
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 10:31:57 GMT -5
Oh so you know for sure do you @wally !!! Wally is Nathans lap dog. Wally accuses me of being a JW. Nathan accuses me of being Baptist Wally forgets he accused me of being JW and likes Nathans Baptist accusing post. I call him out on it. Now they both look like fools because I'm neither. And even bigger fools that they haven't worked out by now I don't need any system's to be saved by Christ!
You said you don't need a system/2x2 to be saved by Christ. Then WHY are you still a 2x2?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 23, 2019 10:38:39 GMT -5
*** Because the 2x2 workers and the friends have NOT taken the time to study this subject like I have done. Have you ever thought that God has given them blindness because they worship the 2x2 itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home instead of God?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 23, 2019 10:43:53 GMT -5
chuck thank you for your response, sorry if I assumed wrong. I agree with your views of the 2x2s. Its fine. I love things about the 2x2's. But they are in a death spiral wrecking lives as they go down. I’m just shocked that anyone in the 2x2s could have such clear vision. You never post like any 2x2 I know. Your posts are biblically backed, I appreciate that! Oh that all the 2x2s could have the blindness lifted as you have had. It’s a miracle indeed!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 23, 2019 10:47:39 GMT -5
Because MOST of the Christians, 2x2s, and Exes have seen the RESULTS before our eyes! OSAS doctrine is False. The RCC and Most Protestant denominations DO NOT believe in OSAS doctrine. We have seen OSAS is false on TMB. Some of the atheists on TMB once were workers, church elders and heartily saints and now they Deny there is NO Jesus, God, or any supreme beings in the sky.
I have seen some exes and ex-2x2 atheists, return to God and serve Him faithfully to the end of life, you can't tell me they were NOT saved at all. While there is life there is hope, my friend!
Again your hung up on a systems. When will you realise they are Dung!. They don't save you. Its a narrow way Nathan. You dont serve for salvation. You keep side stepping this 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:28-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:28-29&version=NIV5 The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels. - Revelation 3:5 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation3:5&version=NIVOutsiders that have gone to gospel meetings and fellowship meetings have come out of that experience saying “Those people worship their church, not God!”
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 23, 2019 10:54:10 GMT -5
I don’t think that Chuck is a real 2x2. *** He said he is a 2x2. Are you telling me he is LYING to us? Chuckie, you are a BAD boy or girl? Chuckie, writing and thinking sound kind of strange typical 2x2. He likes to qoute OSAS verses that is NOT a typical 2x2 because Most of 2x2s do NOT believe that doctrine. Nathan, you make light of the once saved always saved issue but you really do not understand anything about it which is evident in your replies to Chuck. You have the old tired worn out excuses of the 2x2s have used to show the world that they are so very different then any other church on the earth. Which has caused blindness to come upon them and hardened hearts.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 23, 2019 10:59:50 GMT -5
nathan what does ETERNAL mean?. How can you reverse what Jesus's has promised is ETERNAL?. If you can reverse something ETERNAL what do you need JESUS for?. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:27-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:27-29&version=NIVWhy do you doubt? Because MOST of the Christians, 2x2s, and Exes have seen the RESULTS before our eyes! OSAS doctrine is False. The RCC and Most Protestant denominations DO NOT believe in OSAS doctrine. We have seen OSAS is false on TMB. Some of the atheists on TMB once were workers, church elders and heartily saints and now they Deny there is NO Jesus, God, or any supreme beings in the sky.
I have seen some exes and ex-2x2 atheists, return to God and serve Him faithfully to the end of life, you can't tell me they were NOT saved at all. While there is life there is hope, my friend!
Nathan what you and the workers don’t understand is what Paul was seeking to teach when he said he’d delivered someone to Satan to destroy the deeds of the flesh but to save his soul. That person had already been given eternal salvation by Jesus because of being a true believer in Jesus Christ the Son of God. But then after he’d received eternal life he did some things that were not right but fed by his fleshly lusts. Thus Paul delivered such a person to Satan to destroy those deeds of the flesh; but Paul could not remove the man’s gift of eternal life.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 23, 2019 14:32:10 GMT -5
nathan what does ETERNAL mean?. How can you reverse what Jesus's has promised is ETERNAL?. If you can reverse something ETERNAL what do you need JESUS for?. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:27-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:27-29&version=NIVWhy do you doubt? ETERNAL life as described by Jesus is the NEXT life...there you go again leaking JW or other doctrine... I’ve heard that our eternal life starts when we are born again. This was said by a brother worker,
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 14:54:08 GMT -5
it doesn't begin until you die your still in your mortal coil until that happens dimbulb jw....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 14:55:10 GMT -5
ETERNAL life as described by Jesus is the NEXT life...there you go again leaking JW or other doctrine... I’ve heard that our eternal life starts when we are born again. This was said by a brother worker, then why do you die after awhile? you don't get anything till after you die....
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Post by snow on Nov 23, 2019 15:11:04 GMT -5
😜😜😳😳....if I were you nathan I would be more concerned about the Workers knocking on your door !! Or do the F&Ws now believe JC lives in Venus !!! *** Some day! All will KNOW Jesus is from the planet Venus planet and God the Father is NOT too far from him either! Jesus is sitting at His Father right hand. And I will say, I told you so, When Jesus returns So when he returns to earth, does he come in a space ship?
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Post by snow on Nov 23, 2019 15:24:10 GMT -5
Yes Nathan I was really inspired to go to a Baptist church after the thread/video posted up the other day 🤦♂️. Like I keep saying your reliance on a system is evident and a grave error. Nowhere in the scriptures is salvation tied to anything but The grace of God and the blood of Christ. SEE folks! This 2x2 chuckie, is NOT going to be a 2x2 VERY long. He has been to the Baptist henhouse and take the verses they use for their OSAS doctrine as his belief. I TOLD You so, now the truth has come out. Go, where it brings you peace the non-exclusive 2x2 believer, Chuckie but you must live with your choice for ETERNITY.
So basically you're telling Chuck to go to hell. You believe that if he's not a 2x2 he's going to hell, them you tell him to leave the 2x2's. I would think that is not something your God would condone if it's true the 2x2's are the only route to heaven. Would God be happy with you encouraging Chuck to leave do you think?
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Post by snow on Nov 23, 2019 15:29:16 GMT -5
ummm are you sure it was paul in the book of enoch? the book of enoch would have been written before the flood i think? Paul knew things the apostles didn't.... John the apostle saw things in heaven, when he was on the island of Patmos and event most of the apostles had NO clue whatsoever! That kind of revelation is still happening today, you know. How could Paul write anything in the Book of Enoch when it was written hundreds of years before Paul's birth? That would be quite the feat!
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Post by snow on Nov 23, 2019 15:41:24 GMT -5
Wally is Nathans lap dog. Wally accuses me of being a JW. Nathan accuses me of being Baptist Wally forgets he accused me of being JW and likes Nathans Baptist accusing post. I call him out on it. Now they both look like fools because I'm neither. And even bigger fools that they haven't worked out by now I don't need any system's to be saved by Christ!
You said you don't need a system/2x2 to be saved by Christ. Then WHY are you still a 2x2?Maybe he enjoys the fellowship with the group? His family are in the group, why would he want to leave. He doesn't need to believe that the only way to heaven is through the group to want to be part of the group. That makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 16:13:01 GMT -5
You said you don't need a system/2x2 to be saved by Christ. Then WHY are you still a 2x2? Maybe he enjoys the fellowship with the group? His family are in the group, why would he want to leave. He doesn't need to believe that the only way to heaven is through the group to want to be part of the group. That makes no sense. why would chuckie enjoy fellowship with a group he's claimed is a cult?
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Post by snow on Nov 23, 2019 16:23:12 GMT -5
Maybe he enjoys the fellowship with the group? His family are in the group, why would he want to leave. He doesn't need to believe that the only way to heaven is through the group to want to be part of the group. That makes no sense. why would chuckie enjoy fellowship with a group he's claimed is a cult? Because the group isn't the cult, the system is. People can be wonderful within a cult. Family are precious no matter what group they are part of. I totally understand why he stays. He is worshiping Jesus and he can do that anywhere, but he can't do that with family and friends unless he is part of their group. That's one reason why the exclusive mindset of the group is not very good for unity with all believers in Christ. As an atheist I would still be open to being around the friends because I like their sense of community. You don't have to agree with their beliefs to like their company.
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 16:38:43 GMT -5
*** Because the 2x2 workers and the friends have NOT taken the time to study this subject like I have done. Have you ever thought that God has given them blindness because they worship the 2x2 itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home instead of God? *** God gave them/2×2 blindness because they put their trust in the workers workers teaching that the TRINITY is heresy/pagan doctrine and Jesus is NOT God but ONLY the Son of God. They worship ONLY God the Father and NOT the Son. Once the 2x2s became anti-Trinity the lost the knowledge Christ is God and His Deity. The early days workers had the FULL PACKAGE! The Trinity, Jesus is God. They worship God the Father, Christ/emblems, and Holy Spirit. Christ 2×2 apostolic ministry and New Testament homes worship meetings. Therefore, the gospel prospers and grows leaps and bounds! Now, the workers current gospel is weaken because they have become anti-Trinity and their message is focus mostly on Jesus side of humanity and hardly any message of His Divinity.
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 17:03:00 GMT -5
SEE folks! This 2x2 chuckie, is NOT going to be a 2x2 VERY long. He has been to the Baptist henhouse and take the verses they use for their OSAS doctrine as his belief. I TOLD You so, now the truth has come out. Go, where it brings you peace the non-exclusive 2x2 believer, Chuckie but you must live with your choice for ETERNITY.
So basically you're telling Chuck to go to hell. You believe that if he's not a 2x2 he's going to hell, them you tell him to leave the 2x2's. I would think that is not something your God would condone if it's true the 2x2's are the only route to heaven. Would God be happy with you encouraging Chuck to leave do you think? ** Chuckie is liken the TARES among us, the 5 foolish virgins or the goat. According to many of his posts on here, he is NOT a happy and contend 2x2. Chuckie calls the 2x2 church is a Cult, the 2x2 system is faulty for being exclusive church. He thinks the grass is greener on the other side of the 2x2 fence. He likes the Baptists OSAS doctrine and being non-exclusive believer. If Chuckie doesn't agree with the 2x2 system, doctrines and with workers teachings and fellowship. When he disagee with the 2x2 exclusive teaching and NOT a happy camper. Why, STAY? Perhaps, he wants to STAY in the fellowship to promote his non-exclusive belief among the friends.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 23, 2019 17:12:21 GMT -5
Have you ever thought that God has given them blindness because they worship the 2x2 itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home instead of God? *** God gave them/2×2 blindness because they put their trust in the workers workers teaching that the TRINITY is heresy/pagan doctrine and Jesus is NOT God but ONLY the Son of God. They worship ONLY God the Father and NOT the Son. Once the 2x2s became anti-Trinity the lost the knowledge Christ is God and His Deity. The early days workers had the FULL PACKAGE! The Trinity, Jesus is God. They worship God the Father, Christ/emblems, and Holy Spirit. Christ 2×2 apostolic ministry and New Testament homes worship meetings. Therefore, the gospel prospers and grows leaps and bounds! Now, the workers current gospel is weaken because they have become anti-Trinity and their message is focus mostly on Jesus side of humanity and hardly any message of His Divinity. I noticed one of the most blatant evidence that Jesus is God in a verse most of us pay little heed to. Revelations 1:6. And hath made us kings and priests UNTO GOD and HIS FATHER; to him be glory and dominion fo ever and ever. Amen. I know perhaps you’ve quoted that but it seems we were perhaps more into being made kings and priests. The phrase UNTO GOD and HIS FATHER is indisputable saying that the Father’s Son is God.
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