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Post by nathan on Nov 22, 2019 23:57:32 GMT -5
I don’t think that Chuck is a real 2x2. *** He said he is a 2x2. Are you telling me he is LYING to us? Chuckie, you are a BAD boy or girl? Chuckie, writing and thinking sound kind of strange and NOT a typical 2x2. He likes to qoute OSAS verses that is NOT a typical 2x2 because Most of 2x2s do NOT believe that doctrine.
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Post by chuck on Nov 23, 2019 0:06:52 GMT -5
No I believe in the scripture with no addons Nathan. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:27-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:27-29&version=NIVI will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. - Ezekiel 36:26-27 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel36:26-27&version=NIVhe saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, - Titus 3:5 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus3:5&version=NIVAre you suggesting the Holy Spirit can be corrupted?. Are you suggesting that when a true believer is born again or regenerated that it can be reversed?. How can eternal life be not eternal?. 2x2's do not have a monopoly on salvation. If you think they do please insert the 2x2's into this passage in your best spin. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. - John 14:6 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John14:6&version=NIV** Like I said the Bapists use the same verses as you do for their OSAS doctrine. Mountaian, Wally, others and myself have shown you verses but you refused to believe it. Now, mountain has given up on, he doesn't want going round and round with you. I will follow him and leave you alone on this subject. No, you and your cohorts always assume that all of your scriptual examples are of people that are already saved therfore can lose their salvation. It is a logical fallacy. Eternal life is just that. You are saying eternal life is not eternal. When someone truly repents and is born again they are gifted eternal life. At what point does eternal not become eternal?. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. - John 10:28 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:28&version=NIV You still have not answered my question, how can you lose something Jesus had specifically said a true believer cannot lose?, how can you reverse something Jesus has said is Eternal?
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 0:36:59 GMT -5
** Like I said the Bapists use the same verses as you do for their OSAS doctrine. Mountaian, Wally, others and myself have shown you verses but you refused to believe it. Now, mountain has given up on, he doesn't want going round and round with you. I will follow him and leave you alone on this subject. No, you and your cohorts always assume that all of your scriptual examples are of people that are already saved therfore can lose their salvation. It is a logical fallacy. Eternal life is just that. You are saying eternal life is not eternal. When someone truly repents and is born again they are gifted eternal life. At what point does eternal not become eternal?. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. - John 10:28 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:28&version=NIV You still have not answered my question, how can you lose something Jesus had specifically said a true believer cannot lose?, how can you reverse something Jesus has said is Eternal? We 2x2s have seen the 2x2 believers, and MANY of the RCC and 40,000 plus Protestant denominations believers have LEFT God and became atheists. Please, don't tell me ALL of these exes from all these churches are NOT SAVED to begin with.
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Post by chuck on Nov 23, 2019 0:36:59 GMT -5
nathan sharingtheriches @roselyn T I am a born and Bred 2x2. I am currently a proffesing 2x2. I do not believe 2x2's have exclusive rights to salvation as in my posts above. I do not hide my views when the occasion arises. I do not go out of my way to express my beliefs as it will ruin my family. Proof right there that 2x2 is a CULT.
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 0:41:23 GMT -5
nathan sharingtheriches @roselyn T I am a born and Bred 2x2. I am currently a proffesing 2x2. I do not believe 2x2's have exclusive rights to salvation as in my posts above. I do not hide my views when the occasion arises. I do not go out of my way to express my beliefs as it will ruin my family. Proof right there that 2x2 is a CULT. You might call yourself a 2x2 but your posts/spirit, belief do NOT show it. I say eventually you will LEAVE 2x2 and join the Baptist church that believes the same OSAS doctrine like you. You will be happy going there, Chuckie. Maybe, you are already there yourself.
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Post by chuck on Nov 23, 2019 0:43:46 GMT -5
No, you and your cohorts always assume that all of your scriptual examples are of people that are already saved therfore can lose their salvation. It is a logical fallacy. Eternal life is just that. You are saying eternal life is not eternal. When someone truly repents and is born again they are gifted eternal life. At what point does eternal not become eternal?. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. - John 10:28 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:28&version=NIV You still have not answered my question, how can you lose something Jesus had specifically said a true believer cannot lose?, how can you reverse something Jesus has said is Eternal? We 2x2s have seen the 2x2 believers, and MANY of the RCC and 40,000 plus Protestant denominations believers have LEFT God and became atheists. Please, don't tell me ALL of these exes from all these churches are NOT SAVED to begin with.
nathan what does ETERNAL mean?. How can you reverse what Jesus's has promised is ETERNAL?. If you can reverse something ETERNAL what do you need JESUS for?. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:27-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:27-29&version=NIVWhy do you doubt?
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 0:48:22 GMT -5
We 2x2s have seen the 2x2 believers, and MANY of the RCC and 40,000 plus Protestant denominations believers have LEFT God and became atheists. Please, don't tell me ALL of these exes from all these churches are NOT SAVED to begin with.
nathan what does ETERNAL mean?. How can you reverse what Jesus's has promised is ETERNAL?. If you can reverse something ETERNAL what do you need JESUS for?. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:27-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:27-29&version=NIVWhy do you doubt? Because MOST of the Christians, 2x2s, and Exes have seen the RESULTS before our eyes! OSAS doctrine is False. The RCC and Most Protestant denominations DO NOT believe in OSAS doctrine. We have seen OSAS is false on TMB. Some of the atheists on TMB once were workers, church elders and heartily saints and now they Deny there is NO Jesus, God, or any supreme beings in the sky.
I have seen some exes and ex-2x2 atheists, return to God and serve Him faithfully to the end of life, you can't tell me they were NOT saved at all. While there is life there is hope, my friend!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 0:57:23 GMT -5
nathan sharingtheriches @roselyn T I am a born and Bred 2x2. I am currently a proffesing 2x2. I do not believe 2x2's have exclusive rights to salvation as in my posts above. I do not hide my views when the occasion arises. I do not go out of my way to express my beliefs as it will ruin my family. Proof right there that 2x2 is a CULT. sure you are(NOT)...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 1:00:07 GMT -5
We 2x2s have seen the 2x2 believers, and MANY of the RCC and 40,000 plus Protestant denominations believers have LEFT God and became atheists. Please, don't tell me ALL of these exes from all these churches are NOT SAVED to begin with.
nathan what does ETERNAL mean?. How can you reverse what Jesus's has promised is ETERNAL?. If you can reverse something ETERNAL what do you need JESUS for?. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:27-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:27-29&version=NIVWhy do you doubt? ETERNAL life as described by Jesus is the NEXT life...there you go again leaking JW or other doctrine...
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Post by chuck on Nov 23, 2019 1:31:14 GMT -5
nathan sharingtheriches @roselyn T I am a born and Bred 2x2. I am currently a proffesing 2x2. I do not believe 2x2's have exclusive rights to salvation as in my posts above. I do not hide my views when the occasion arises. I do not go out of my way to express my beliefs as it will ruin my family. Proof right there that 2x2 is a CULT. You might call yourself a 2x2 but your posts/spirit, belief do NOT show it. I say eventually you will LEAVE 2x2 and join the Baptist church that believes the same OSAS doctrine like you. You will be happy going there, Chuckie. Maybe, you are already there yourself. Yes Nathan I was really inspired to go to a Baptist church after the thread/video posted up the other day 🤦♂️. Like I keep saying your reliance on a system is evident and a grave error. Nowhere in the scriptures is salvation tied to anything but The grace of God and the blood of Christ.
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 1:40:08 GMT -5
You might call yourself a 2x2 but your posts/spirit, belief do NOT show it. I say eventually you will LEAVE 2x2 and join the Baptist church that believes the same OSAS doctrine like you. You will be happy going there, Chuckie. Maybe, you are already there yourself. Yes Nathan I was really inspired to go to a Baptist church after the thread/video posted up the other day 🤦♂️. Like I keep saying your reliance on a system is evident and a grave error. Nowhere in the scriptures is salvation tied to anything but The grace of God and the blood of Christ. SEE folks! This 2x2 chuckie, is NOT going to be a 2x2 VERY long. He has been to the Baptist henhouse and take the verses they use for their OSAS doctrine as his belief. I TOLD You so, now the truth has come out. Go, where it brings you peace the non-exclusive 2x2 believer, Chuckie but you must live with your choice for ETERNITY.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 23, 2019 1:57:25 GMT -5
nathan sharingtheriches @roselyn T I am a born and Bred 2x2. I am currently a proffesing 2x2. I do not believe 2x2's have exclusive rights to salvation as in my posts above. I do not hide my views when the occasion arises. I do not go out of my way to express my beliefs as it will ruin my family. Proof right there that 2x2 is a CULT. chuck thank you for your response, sorry if I assumed wrong. I agree with your views of the 2x2s.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 23, 2019 2:02:49 GMT -5
nathan sharingtheriches @roselyn T I am a born and Bred 2x2. I am currently a proffesing 2x2. I do not believe 2x2's have exclusive rights to salvation as in my posts above. I do not hide my views when the occasion arises. I do not go out of my way to express my beliefs as it will ruin my family. Proof right there that 2x2 is a CULT. You might call yourself a 2x2 but your posts/spirit, belief do NOT show it. I say eventually you will LEAVE 2x2 and join the Baptist church that believes the same OSAS doctrine like you. You will be happy going there, Chuckie. Maybe, you are already there yourself. Oh the hypocrisy .... Maybe stop for a moment nathan and have a look at yourself and what you believe !!! Your views DO NOT AND NEVER WILL represent the 2x2s !!
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Post by Grant on Nov 23, 2019 2:03:35 GMT -5
You might call yourself a 2x2 but your posts/spirit, belief do NOT show it. I say eventually you will LEAVE 2x2 and join the Baptist church that believes the same OSAS doctrine like you. You will be happy going there, Chuckie. Maybe, you are already there yourself. Yes Nathan I was really inspired to go to a Baptist church after the thread/video posted up the other day 🤦♂️. Like I keep saying your reliance on a system is evident and a grave error. Nowhere in the scriptures is salvation tied to anything but The grace of God and the blood of Christ. As long as you continue to preach Jesus only, chuck, you will be at odds with a lot of 2x2s. Clearly Nathan has shown us that to be a 2x2 you have to believe in the ministry. To believe in Jesus only you're on the way out. Jesus living on venus is accepted but accepting other fellowships is not. It's the unforgivable sin and results in a loss of your salvation worthy of being kicked out. Even not believing in the Trinity is not as big a sin as accepting other Christians as fellow believers. Nathan makes the rules of what is good 2x2 and what is not. It's enough to drive anyone from this board let alone the fellowship.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 23, 2019 2:06:38 GMT -5
nathan sharingtheriches @roselyn T I am a born and Bred 2x2. I am currently a proffesing 2x2. I do not believe 2x2's have exclusive rights to salvation as in my posts above. I do not hide my views when the occasion arises. I do not go out of my way to express my beliefs as it will ruin my family. Proof right there that 2x2 is a CULT. sure you are(NOT)... Oh so you know for sure do you @wally !!!
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Post by jetmech on Nov 23, 2019 2:08:22 GMT -5
Okay ....so God has revealed this to you has he ? As for truth and facts, you have no truth or facts to back up your views !!! Why don't the Workers believe what you do nathan ?👎 I read a poem by Paul in the book of Enoch ... and one sentence seemed prayerful where Paul asked God " ... Let me know the things that Angels don't even know ..." So, why couldn't Nathan know some things you don't know Roselyn ... I'm just sayin' ...
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 23, 2019 2:10:07 GMT -5
Yes Nathan I was really inspired to go to a Baptist church after the thread/video posted up the other day 🤦♂️. Like I keep saying your reliance on a system is evident and a grave error. Nowhere in the scriptures is salvation tied to anything but The grace of God and the blood of Christ. SEE folks! This 2x2 chuckie, is NOT going to be a 2x2 VERY long. He has been to the Baptist henhouse and take the verses they use for their OSAS doctrine as his belief. I TOLD You so, now the truth has come out. Go, where it brings you peace the non-exclusive 2x2 believer, Chuckie but you must live with your choice for ETERNITY.
Coming from someone who believes people like Stranges and that JC lives in Venus !!! Your views are laughable nathan !!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 2:11:24 GMT -5
👎 I read a poem by Paul in the book of Enoch ... and one sentence seemed prayerful where Paul asked God " ... Let me know the things that Angels don't even know ..." So, why couldn't Nathan know some things you don't know Roselyn ... I'm just sayin' ... ummm are you sure it was paul in the book of enoch? the book of enoch would have been written before the flood i think?
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 23, 2019 2:20:44 GMT -5
I read a poem by Paul in the book of Enoch ... and one sentence seemed prayerful where Paul asked God " ... Let me know the things that Angels don't even know ..." So, why couldn't Nathan know some things you don't know Roselyn ... I'm just sayin' ... Oh so nathan knows things that even the Workers of his church don't know....really jetmech ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 23, 2019 2:23:09 GMT -5
Yes Nathan I was really inspired to go to a Baptist church after the thread/video posted up the other day 🤦♂️. Like I keep saying your reliance on a system is evident and a grave error. Nowhere in the scriptures is salvation tied to anything but The grace of God and the blood of Christ. As long as you continue to preach Jesus only, chuck, you will be at odds with a lot of 2x2s. Clearly Nathan has shown us that to be a 2x2 you have to believe in the ministry. To believe in Jesus only you're on the way out. Jesus living on venus is accepted but accepting other fellowships is not. It's the unforgivable sin and results in a loss of your salvation worthy of being kicked out. Even not believing in the Trinity is not as big a sin as accepting other Christians as fellow believers. Nathan makes the rules of what is good 2x2 and what is not. It's enough to drive anyone from this board let alone the fellowship. You have "hit the nail on the head" Grant !! Anyone would think that nathan was the founder of the 2x2 church !! Of course when the F&W spend enough time studying like nathan has they will believe JC lives in Venus !!
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 2:24:29 GMT -5
👎 I read a poem by Paul in the book of Enoch ... and one sentence seemed prayerful where Paul asked God " ... Let me know the things that Angels don't even know ... " So, why couldn't Nathan know some things you don't know Roselyn ... I'm just sayin' ... ummm are you sure it was paul in the book of enoch? the book of enoch would have been written before the flood i think? Paul knew things the apostles didn't.... John the apostle saw things in heaven, when he was on the island of Patmos and event most of the apostles had NO clue whatsoever! That kind of revelation is still happening today, you know.
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 2:26:37 GMT -5
I read a poem by Paul in the book of Enoch ... and one sentence seemed prayerful where Paul asked God " ... Let me know the things that Angels don't even know ..." So, why couldn't Nathan know some things you don't know Roselyn ... I'm just sayin' ... Oh, so nathan knows things that even the Workers of his church don't know....really jetmech ? How many workers or the friends do you KNOW that believe or KNOW Jesus is from Interior planet of Venus? How many do you think? From 1 to 5? or Zero?
How many workers and friends do you think KNOW the existence of Valiant, Don Thor the guardian angels come from Interior planet of Venus? From 1 to 5? or Zero?
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 23, 2019 2:26:52 GMT -5
ummm are you sure it was paul in the book of enoch? the book of enoch would have been written before the flood i think? Paul knew things the apostles didn't.... John the apostle saw things in heaven, when he was on the island of Patmos and event most of the apostles had NO clue whatsoever! That kind of revelation is still happening today, you know. Oh so you are having special revelations from God that even the Workers haven't had nathan !!!!!
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 23, 2019 2:29:18 GMT -5
Oh so nathan knows things that even the Workers of his church don't know....really jetmech ? How many workers or the friends do you KNOW that believe or KNOW Jesus is from Interior planet of Venus? How many do you think? 1 to 5?NONE nathan !!! Because its not true and they are not foolish enough to belief a "conman" like Stranges !!!
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 2:32:24 GMT -5
How many workers or the friends do you KNOW that believe or KNOW Jesus is from Interior planet of Venus? How many do you think? 1 to 5?
How many workers and friends do you think KNOW the existence of Valiant, Don Thor the guardian angels come from Interior planet of Venus? From 1 to 5? or Zero? NONE nathan !!! Because its not true and they are not foolish enough to belief a "conman" like Stranges !!! So, I KNOW something that the workers don't KNOW, right?
President Jimmy Carter, his White House chief of staff and people in high place KNOW Jesus is a Visitor from the planet Venus. President Jimmy Carter has NEVER met or heard of Frank Stranges. He didn't KNOW Frank met Jesus a few times, from inside the planet Venus either. Frank had visited a few time to Interior planet of Venus a few times also. He wrote about his Journey to Interior planet Venus and what he saw there, I posted his article a few times on TMB.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 23, 2019 2:45:32 GMT -5
NONE nathan !!! Because its not true and they are not foolish enough to belief a "conman" like Stranges !!! So, I KNOW something that the workers don't KNOW, right?
President Jimmy Carter, his White House chief of staff and people in high place KNOW Jesus is a Visitor from the planet Venus. President Jimmy Carter has NEVER met or heard of Frank Stranges. He didn't KNOW Frank met Jesus a few times, from inside the planet Venus either. Frank had visited a few time to Interior planet of Venus a few times also. He wrote about his Journey to Interior planet Venus and what he saw there, I posted his article a few times on TMB.
Did God reveal this to you nathan ?
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 3:04:59 GMT -5
So, I KNOW something that the workers don't KNOW, right?
President Jimmy Carter, his White House chief of staff and people in high place KNOW Jesus is a Visitor from the planet Venus. President Jimmy Carter has NEVER met or heard of Frank Stranges. He didn't KNOW Frank met Jesus a few times, from inside the planet Venus either. Frank had visited a few time to Interior planet of Venus a few times also. He wrote about his Journey to Interior planet Venus and what he saw there, I posted his article a few times on TMB.
Did God reveal this to you nathan ? What do you think?
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 23, 2019 3:14:51 GMT -5
Did God reveal this to you nathan ? What do you think?
I asked you...
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