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Post by nathan on Nov 18, 2019 21:18:27 GMT -5
in his case it was his lot to be an apostle he rejected that and went his own way...believe, OBEY and bear fruit are all key components of salvation No, Wally, the whole parable was about rich men having a hard time entering into salvation. That’s all it was. Wally is Correct! Christ offered the Rich man a place in the ministry to be one of his apostles, the 12 were in their midst when this took place and Peter understood exactly what Jesus offered the rich man! The rich man earthly riches robbed for laying up MUCH treasures in heaven for eternity.
Matthew 19:27-29 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?28 And Jesus said unto them, " Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.The Vaudois/Waldenses (70-1800 A.D.) teaching/belief: The Pilgrim Church by E. H. Broadbent
Some among the brethren devoted themselves entirely to traveling and ministering the Word and were called "the Perfect" and in accordance with the Lord's word in (Matthew 19:21) "If thou will be Perfect, go and SELL that thou has, and give to the poor, and thou shall have treasures in heaven, and come and follow me." The apostles or the Perfect "Possess nothing," they had NO homes, and Literally Acted upon this command.
It was recognize that ALL believers are NOT call to such a path, and that the MAJORITY of believers, while acknowledge that they and ALL belong to Christ, should serve Him while "Remaining" in their families and continuing their usual occupations. Those whom they called "Apostles" played an important part in their testimony. While the elders of the churches and believers "Remained" in their homes, the "Apostles" traveled continually, visiting the churches. A distinction was made between those called to be Apostles or Perfect, and others followers of Christ, based on the fact that in the Gospel some were called to SELL ALL that they had and follow Christ, while others of His disciples were equally called to serve Him in the surroundings in which He found them. The Vaudois/Waldensian Apostles had NO property or goods or home or family; if they HAD these they left them. Their life was one of self-denial, hardship and danger. They traveled in utmost simplicity, without money, without second suit, their needs being supplied by the "Believers" among whom they ministered the Word. They Always go Two and Two, an elder and a younger man, of whom the latter waited on his older companion. (no need for theological training since the younger companion gets on-the-job training guidance from the older companion and the Holy Spirit). No need for seminary school since the Holy Spirit is the only Teacher they need. Their visits were highly esteemed, and they were treated with every token of respect and affection. They NEVER ask for anything; indeed, many undertook serious medical studies that they might be able to care for the bodies of those they met with. The Name "Friends of God" was often given to them. The "Brethren", themselves, were great preachers, for there had always been amongst them missionary preachers, called "apostles," simply meaning thereby, "Person Sent." These apostles went out TWO and TWO, generally an older and a younger man. When they reached a house of a "Brother," they were lodged and fed gladly, for all the "Brethren" were taught that God was pleased, if His messengers were lovingly welcome in his name. Many of these preachers were students of medicine, and, therefore, their journey from land to land were what we should call a "medical mission." But, the object was the SOUL. And, faithfully, bravely, and diligently did they give themselves up to this great and blessed work.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 18, 2019 21:27:29 GMT -5
No, Wally, the whole parable was about rich men having a hard time entering into salvation. That’s all it was. Wally is Correct! Christ offered the Rich man a place in the ministry to be one of his apostles, the 12 were in their midst when this took place and Peter understood exactly what Jesus offered the rich man! His earthly riches robbed for laying up treasures in heaven.
Matthew 19:27-29 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. The Vaudois/Waldenses (70-1800 A.D.) teaching/belief: The Pilgrim Church by E. H. Broadbent
Some among the brethren devoted themselves entirely to traveling and ministering the Word and were called "the Perfect" and in accordance with the Lord's word in (Matthew 19:21) "If thou will be Perfect, go and SELL that thou has, and give to the poor, and thou shall have treasures in heaven, and come and follow me." The apostles or the Perfect "Possess nothing," they had NO homes, and Literally Acted upon this command.
It was recognize that ALL believers are NOT call to such a path, and that the MAJORITY of believers, while acknowledge that they and ALL belong to Christ, should serve Him while "Remaining" in their families and continuing their usual occupations. Those whom they called "Apostles" played an important part in their testimony. While the elders of the churches and believers "Remained" in their homes, the "Apostles" traveled continually, visiting the churches. A distinction was made between those called to be Apostles or Perfect, and others followers of Christ, based on the fact that in the Gospel some were called to SELL ALL that they had and follow Christ, while others of His disciples were equally called to serve Him in the surroundings in which He found them. The Vaudois/Waldensian Apostles had NO property or goods or home or family; if they HAD these they left them. Their life was one of self-denial, hardship and danger. They traveled in utmost simplicity, without money, without second suit, their needs being supplied by the "Believers" among whom they ministered the Word. They Always go Two and Two, an elder and a younger man, of whom the latter waited on his older companion. (no need for theological training since the younger companion gets on-the-job training guidance from the older companion and the Holy Spirit). No need for seminary school since the Holy Spirit is the only Teacher they need. Their visits were highly esteemed, and they were treated with every token of respect and affection. They NEVER ask for anything; indeed, many undertook serious medical studies that they might be able to care for the bodies of those they met with. The Name "Friends of God" was often given to them. The "Brethren", themselves, were great preachers, for there had always been amongst them missionary preachers, called "apostles," simply meaning thereby, "Person Sent." These apostles went out TWO and TWO, generally an older and a younger man. When they reached a house of a "Brother," they were lodged and fed gladly, for all the "Brethren" were taught that God was pleased, if His messengers were lovingly welcome in his name. Many of these preachers were students of medicine, and, therefore, their journey from land to land were what we should call a "medical mission." But, the object was the SOUL. And, faithfully, bravely, and diligently did they give themselves up to this great and blessed work. Following Jesus doesn’t always mean ministry, you know that. We all have to follow him. There were women who followed him and gave of their substance to him,
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 18, 2019 21:31:04 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Nov 18, 2019 21:36:36 GMT -5
Wally is Correct! Christ offered the Rich man a place in the ministry to be one of his apostles, the 12 were in their midst when this took place and Peter understood exactly what Jesus offered the rich man! His earthly riches robbed for laying up treasures in heaven.
Matthew 19:27-29 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. The Vaudois/Waldenses (70-1800 A.D.) teaching/belief: The Pilgrim Church by E. H. Broadbent
Some among the brethren devoted themselves entirely to traveling and ministering the Word and were called "the Perfect" and in accordance with the Lord's word in (Matthew 19:21) "If thou will be Perfect, go and SELL that thou has, and give to the poor, and thou shall have treasures in heaven, and come and follow me." The apostles or the Perfect "Possess nothing," they had NO homes, and Literally Acted upon this command.
It was recognize that ALL believers are NOT call to such a path, and that the MAJORITY of believers, while acknowledge that they and ALL belong to Christ, should serve Him while "Remaining" in their families and continuing their usual occupations. Those whom they called "Apostles" played an important part in their testimony. While the elders of the churches and believers "Remained" in their homes, the "Apostles" traveled continually, visiting the churches. A distinction was made between those called to be Apostles or Perfect, and others followers of Christ, based on the fact that in the Gospel some were called to SELL ALL that they had and follow Christ, while others of His disciples were equally called to serve Him in the surroundings in which He found them. The Vaudois/Waldensian Apostles had NO property or goods or home or family; if they HAD these they left them. Their life was one of self-denial, hardship and danger. They traveled in utmost simplicity, without money, without second suit, their needs being supplied by the "Believers" among whom they ministered the Word. They Always go Two and Two, an elder and a younger man, of whom the latter waited on his older companion. (no need for theological training since the younger companion gets on-the-job training guidance from the older companion and the Holy Spirit). No need for seminary school since the Holy Spirit is the only Teacher they need. Their visits were highly esteemed, and they were treated with every token of respect and affection. They NEVER ask for anything; indeed, many undertook serious medical studies that they might be able to care for the bodies of those they met with. The Name "Friends of God" was often given to them. The "Brethren", themselves, were great preachers, for there had always been amongst them missionary preachers, called "apostles," simply meaning thereby, "Person Sent." These apostles went out TWO and TWO, generally an older and a younger man. When they reached a house of a "Brother," they were lodged and fed gladly, for all the "Brethren" were taught that God was pleased, if His messengers were lovingly welcome in his name. Many of these preachers were students of medicine, and, therefore, their journey from land to land were what we should call a "medical mission." But, the object was the SOUL. And, faithfully, bravely, and diligently did they give themselves up to this great and blessed work. Following Jesus doesn’t always mean ministry, you know that. We all have to follow him. There were women who followed him and gave of their substance to him, Yes, you are right. There are TWO main callings in the New Testament: 1) The ministry: Calling the apostles to SELL ALL to be full time preachers, pastors, evangelists, teachers, missionaries, ministers of the gospel. 2) calling as followers of Jesus are NOT to SELL ALL but to have their own families, homes, and jobs to support their families and help those in the ministry, providing places for them to stay, food to eat, and money for the journey, and helping the needy that need help also. Be salt and lights in this dark world as Jesus Living Witnesses.
Jesus said "Let your light so shine before men, that they may SEE your good WORKS! and glorify your father who is in heaven."
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 18, 2019 23:47:59 GMT -5
Following Jesus doesn’t always mean ministry, you know that. We all have to follow him. There were women who followed him and gave of their substance to him, Yes, you are right. There are TWO main callings in the New Testament: 1) The ministry: Calling the apostles to SELL ALL to be full time preachers, pastors, evangelists, teachers, missionaries, ministers of the gospel. 2) calling as followers of Jesus are NOT to SELL ALL but to have their own families, homes, and jobs to support their families and help those in the ministry, providing places for them to stay, food to eat, and money for the journey, and helping the needy that need help also. Be salt and lights in this dark world as Jesus Living Witnesses.
Jesus said "Let your light so shine before men, that they may SEE your good WORKS! and glorify your father who is in heaven."
But a Jesus didn’t tell this man to sell “all”. I had said that rich people in those days weren’t cash rich but usually by possession rich. So in order to give to the poor this rich man would have to part with and sell his possessions (not necessarily all) to give to the poor. This is my point. We need to consider those times when things were said and done, not in accordance to our times.
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2019 0:19:28 GMT -5
Yes, you are right. There are TWO main callings in the New Testament: 1) The ministry: Calling the apostles to SELL ALL to be full time preachers, pastors, evangelists, teachers, missionaries, ministers of the gospel. 2) calling as followers of Jesus are NOT to SELL ALL but to have their own families, homes, and jobs to support their families and help those in the ministry, providing places for them to stay, food to eat, and money for the journey, and helping the needy that need help also. Be salt and lights in this dark world as Jesus Living Witnesses.
Jesus said "Let your light so shine before men, that they may SEE your good WORKS! and glorify your father who is in heaven."
But a Jesus didn’t tell this man to sell “all”. I had said that rich people in those days weren’t cash rich but usually by possession rich. So in order to give to the poor this rich man would have to part with and sell his possessions (not necessarily all) to give to the poor. This is my point. We need to consider those times when things were said and done, not in accordance to our times. You had to be a worker, str... to TRULY understand these things You are standing outside looking in the house and you think you KNOW what things are in the house. When you are inside the house then you know where things are exactly placing inside the house.
Jesus wanted His apostles/workers to SELL ALL before entering the ministry to be set free from the cares of this life and to dedicate their life to the Lord's work fully. It's a miracle how it works! Jesus shared a little bit of "Going in Faith" and God will make all provision for His servants and take no thought for tomorrow... Just SEEK ye first the kingdom of God and all these natural things shall be given unto you. Jesus said to His apostles/workers in Matthew 6:25-34 25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. ~~~ I read many of these verses before but I didn't fully understand them UNTIL I went in the ministry, then I began to understand these things better and clearer. To understand what is an apostle/worker, then a person had to be one yourself.
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Post by chuck on Nov 19, 2019 9:29:19 GMT -5
But a Jesus didn’t tell this man to sell “all”. I had said that rich people in those days weren’t cash rich but usually by possession rich. So in order to give to the poor this rich man would have to part with and sell his possessions (not necessarily all) to give to the poor. This is my point. We need to consider those times when things were said and done, not in accordance to our times. You had to be a worker, str... to TRULY understand these things You are standing outside looking in the house and you think you KNOW what things are in the house. When you are inside the house then you know where things are exactly placing inside the house.
Jesus wanted His apostles/workers to SELL ALL before entering the ministry to be set free from the cares of this life and to dedicate their life to the Lord's work fully. It's a miracle how it works! Jesus shared a little bit of "Going in Faith" and God will make all provision for His servants and take no thought for tomorrow... Just SEEK ye first the kingdom of God and all these natural things shall be given unto you. Jesus said to His apostles/workers in Matthew 6:25-34 25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. ~~~ I read many of these verses before but I didn't fully understand them UNTIL I went in the ministry, then I began to understand these things better and clearer. To understand what is an apostle/worker, then a person had to be one yourself.
Your unwavering reliance on the 2x2 system is astounding!.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 9:31:23 GMT -5
It makes no sense to sell everything and give it to the poor. Then you just put yourself into a situation where you are then 'the poor' and everyone else has to support you. It makes more sense to be successful and then you have more money to share with others that need it. Joining the 'poor' ranks just makes one more poor person in need of help. Logic!? Oooh you waskly wabbit!
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2019 11:08:11 GMT -5
It makes no sense to sell everything and give it to the poor. Then you just put yourself into a situation where you are then 'the poor' and everyone else has to support you. It makes more sense to be successful and then you have more money to share with others that need it. Joining the 'poor' ranks just makes one more poor person in need of help. Logic!? Oooh you waskly wabbit! Before the foundation of the creation of the Universe, God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit in their infinite Wisdom started and formed the TWO tiers system for MANY good reasons. Just like in the Old Testament we read the 12 tribes of Israel. God appointed the 11 tribes to support/supply most of the needs for the of the Levitical priesthood so they could dedicate their lives in caring for the sacrificing the lamb/offering for the people sins to God, reading/reminding the laws of God to the people, taken care of God's house/the temple where His presence dwells.
In the New Testament the Godhead- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit has set up similar system: TWO tiers... The apostles to SELL ALL they had and their followers to care for most of their daily and natural needs like providing foods for them to eat, homes to stay, cars, money for the journey and so on.. Paul wrote in I Cor. 9:9-14 9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
~~ The TWO tiers system works beautifully in the Old and New Testament time, this way both callings are NOT so heavily burden down with stress and worries that pu on the body and minds. It's NOT easy to work full time job during the day, and preaching after work, spending time with the family and cares for the lambs and sheep of God at the same time. That is like burning the candle BOTH end, and their that is very danger to your health.
We see many of the workers are leaving the work because they having a lot of stress in the work already without paying any bills, or most of them do NOT have wives and have families to care for.... The work is NOT a bed of rose like people think! God wants to make easier for the apostles/workers lives by NOT putting too much stress on them so, they can spent most or the rest of their lives on the altar of His service.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 19, 2019 11:50:32 GMT -5
But a Jesus didn’t tell this man to sell “all”. I had said that rich people in those days weren’t cash rich but usually by possession rich. So in order to give to the poor this rich man would have to part with and sell his possessions (not necessarily all) to give to the poor. This is my point. We need to consider those times when things were said and done, not in accordance to our times. You had to be a worker, str... to TRULY understand these things You are standing outside looking in the house and you think you KNOW what things are in the house. When you are inside the house then you know where things are exactly placing inside the house.
Jesus wanted His apostles/workers to SELL ALL before entering the ministry to be set free from the cares of this life and to dedicate their life to the Lord's work fully. It's a miracle how it works! Jesus shared a little bit of "Going in Faith" and God will make all provision for His servants and take no thought for tomorrow... Just SEEK ye first the kingdom of God and all these natural things shall be given unto you. Jesus said to His apostles/workers in Matthew 6:25-34 25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. ~~~ I read many of these verses before but I didn't fully understand them UNTIL I went in the ministry, then I began to understand these things better and clearer. To understand what is an apostle/worker, then a person had to be one yourself.
It’s you who’s understanding has been clouded by 2x2isms. I was there was I know exactly what you think you know; however I know now that that is a very very obscured viewpoint.
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2019 13:23:35 GMT -5
You had to be a worker, str... to TRULY understand these things You are standing outside looking in the house and you think you KNOW what things are in the house. When you are inside the house then you know where things are exactly placing inside the house.
Jesus wanted His apostles/workers to SELL ALL before entering the ministry to be set free from the cares of this life and to dedicate their life to the Lord's work fully. It's a miracle how it works! Jesus shared a little bit of "Going in Faith" and God will make all provision for His servants and take no thought for tomorrow... Just SEEK ye first the kingdom of God and all these natural things shall be given unto you. Jesus said to His apostles/workers in Matthew 6:25-34 25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. ~~~ I read many of these verses before but I didn't fully understand them UNTIL I went in the ministry, then I began to understand these things better and clearer. To understand what is an apostle/worker, then a person had to be one yourself.
It’s you who’s understanding has been clouded by 2x2isms. I was there was I know exactly what you think you know; however I know now that that is a very very obscured viewpoint. ** It's you who is blinded and deceived by Satan to the Truth and the way of God in our generation. You THINK you KNOW and understand all of Jesus and the workers 2x2ism and their doctrines, but you don't according to MANY of your posts that I read. My Old and New Testament TWO tiers system view point has been around for 4000 yrs and was set by the Godhead- God the Father, Christ/Jesus and Holy Spirit and NOT by Willliam Irvine and some 2x2 workers in 1900s as you and the exes believe. I will share w all the things God has revealed to me, about Jesus 2x2ism and you all can do whatever with the information. Believe it or not is up to you, I have done My part. My time is short here on earth, perhaps 10 more yrs, and my memories will not be as sharp like in my 30-50s.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 19, 2019 13:54:03 GMT -5
Nathan, how in this world can you support a church that denies Jesus is God. That they say Jesus is the Son of God but are so ignorant of what they’re saying. They can say Jesus Christ but don’t understand they’re saying Jesus is God?
They read scripture after scripture but have NO REAL understanding of what they’re reading? Like these verses put it so plain most anyone with reason ability’s should fully understand that Jesus is God!
John 1:1 and verse 14; I Timothy 3:16; I John 2:22; I John 4:2-3; I John 7.
These verses read together as my bible references them leads us right into understanding what God intended us to understand that Jesus is God the Son.
I know I was just as blind to scriptures like these as well, except those in I John which declares such people that deny Jesus Christ has come in the flesh or that God was manifested in the flesh ARE antichrist!
That is so worrisome for me about my beloved 2x2s! They’re blinded by false prophets! They cannot come to understand the scriptures because they’re told the scriptures don’t say what they say! That’s false prophets!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 19, 2019 17:13:12 GMT -5
Logic!? Oooh you waskly wabbit! Before the foundation of the creation of the Universe, God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit in their infinite Wisdom started and formed the TWO tiers system for MANY good reasons. Just like in the Old Testament we read the 12 tribes of Israel. God appointed the 11 tribes to support/supply most of the needs for the of the Levitical priesthood so they could dedicate their lives in caring for the sacrificing the lamb/offering for the people sins to God, reading/reminding the laws of God to the people, taken care of God's house/the temple where His presence dwells.
In the New Testament the Godhead- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit has set up similar system: TWO tiers... The apostles to SELL ALL they had and their followers to care for most of their daily and natural needs like providing foods for them to eat, homes to stay, cars, money for the journey and so on.. Paul wrote in I Cor. 9:9-14 9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
~~ The TWO tiers system works beautifully in the Old and New Testament time, this way both callings are NOT so heavily burden down with stress and worries that pu on the body and minds. It's NOT easy to work full time job during the day, and preaching after work, spending time with the family and cares for the lambs and sheep of God at the same time. That is like burning the candle BOTH end, and their that is very danger to your health.
We see many of the workers are leaving the work because they having a lot of stress in the work already without paying any bills, or most of them do NOT have wives and have families to care for.... The work is NOT a bed of rose like people think! God wants to make easier for the apostles/workers lives by NOT putting too much stress on them so, they can spent most or the rest of their lives on the altar of His service.11tribes supporting 1tribe doesn’t equal 2x2! No one says workers have it as a bed of roses, but they go in knowing what’s required of them. Just like when I went to college and decided to major in nursing. I had prequirements to have to get under my belt before I could start the collegiate courses because I’d not been allowed by my guardian to do that in high school. So I was set for more then the requisite 4 years, it ended up 5 years for me plus 3(2) summer terms to get where I needed to be. Then I knew continuing education was also required. That was as little as 30 hours a year up to 50 hours a year, depending on the study. But it was the choice I made and I fit that in with married life, working 40 hours a week, having 2 x3 acre gardens in summer and a small dairy. Besides being the county’s resident injured and sick animal nurse which meant if any animal needed extended care beyond a vet , we got them. Because people couldn’t afford an extended vet bill. I don’t even remember when I slept very much at all! I’d grab 4 hours here or there. So as doc says that’s why I’m a physical wreck. Oh when those long days off work rolled around, I’d catch up on sleep but one doesn’t really do that. I remember we had an Airedale mother who had 9 puppies by c-cession, vets said not to let puppies nurse for 48 hours but bottle feed them, and milk mama! To say the least she was put in a box by my bed with alarm clock set every 2 hours. Bottled 9 puppies and milked mama. Slept 2 hours to go all over again. I had to keep the puppies in a padded box on my bed by me so mama would settle down. To put them to where she couldn’t crawl in with them kept her upset. But for some reason if she thought they were in my bed it was ok! 🤪
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2019 17:30:56 GMT -5
Nathan, how in this world can you support a church that denies Jesus is God. That they say Jesus is the Son of God but are so ignorant of what they’re saying. They can say Jesus Christ but don’t understand they’re saying Jesus is God? They read scripture after scripture but have NO REAL understanding of what they’re reading? Like these verses put it so plain most anyone with reason ability’s should fully understand that Jesus is God! John 1:1 and verse 14; I Timothy 3:16; I John 2:22; I John 4:2-3; I John 7. These verses read together as my bible references them leads us right into understanding what God intended us to understand that Jesus is God the Son. I know I was just as blind to scriptures like these as well, except those in I John which declares such people that deny Jesus Christ has come in the flesh or that God was manifested in the flesh ARE antichrist! That is so worrisome for me about my beloved 2x2s! They’re blinded by false prophets! They cannot come to understand the scriptures because they’re told the scriptures don’t say what they say! That’s false prophets! ** The current workers and the friends got a BIG BAD dose of bad and incorrect teachings on the Trinity; Jesus is NOT God and the Trinity is heresy and the devil/pagans belief from some and it grew to many workers in 1960s to now... That kind of teaching coming from the workers on the platform. and they believe it without question. They even excommunicated some of the workers who taught the Trinity or Jesus is God because they believe it came from the RCC. Well, the current friends and workers can change ALL of that just like you did! Through studying and praying to God and He can reveal that Jesus is the Christ/God. The Sunday morning worship which ALL of them appreciate, love and adore is set up by the early days workers to worship the TRINITY= God the Father, Christ our Lord God and Savior and Holy Spirit.
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Post by chuck on Nov 19, 2019 17:31:36 GMT -5
But a Jesus didn’t tell this man to sell “all”. I had said that rich people in those days weren’t cash rich but usually by possession rich. So in order to give to the poor this rich man would have to part with and sell his possessions (not necessarily all) to give to the poor. This is my point. We need to consider those times when things were said and done, not in accordance to our times. You had to be a worker, str... to TRULY understand these things You are standing outside looking in the house and you think you KNOW what things are in the house. When you are inside the house then you know where things are exactly placing inside the house.
Jesus wanted His apostles/workers to SELL ALL before entering the ministry to be set free from the cares of this life and to dedicate their life to the Lord's work fully. It's a miracle how it works! Jesus shared a little bit of "Going in Faith" and God will make all provision for His servants and take no thought for tomorrow... Just SEEK ye first the kingdom of God and all these natural things shall be given unto you. Jesus said to His apostles/workers in Matthew 6:25-34 25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. ~~~ I read many of these verses before but I didn't fully understand them UNTIL I went in the ministry, then I began to understand these things better and clearer. To understand what is an apostle/worker, then a person had to be one yourself.
So could you heal people?.
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2019 17:36:12 GMT -5
You had to be a worker, str... to TRULY understand these things You are standing outside looking in the house and you think you KNOW what things are in the house. When you are inside the house then you know where things are exactly placing inside the house.
Jesus wanted His apostles/workers to SELL ALL before entering the ministry to be set free from the cares of this life and to dedicate their life to the Lord's work fully. It's a miracle how it works! Jesus shared a little bit of "Going in Faith" and God will make all provision for His servants and take no thought for tomorrow... Just SEEK ye first the kingdom of God and all these natural things shall be given unto you. Jesus said to His apostles/workers in Matthew 6:25-34 25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. ~~~ I read many of these verses before but I didn't fully understand them UNTIL I went in the ministry, then I began to understand these things better and clearer. To understand what is an apostle/worker, then a person had to be one yourself.
So could you heal people?. ** Why, do you ask that? Because I claimed I was an apostle/worker? No, God didn't give me the power to heal and I didn't know any of the 2x2 worker did either. I wonder about that too after I profess if the workers are the the apostles today surely they can heal people just like in Matthew 10 and Luke 10 and in the book of Acts. This is the answer God has revealed to me... Jesus and the Jewish apostles had the power heal the blind, the sick and raised the dead to prove to the children of Isarel that He is the Christ the anointed Messiah. In Acts 3:22-26 God had told the children of Israel when the Messiah came he would be like unto Moses by showing miracles, healing to prove to them that God has SENT him. Jesus/God gave the 12,70 apostles to heal people to let the children of Israel know they are the servants SENT by God also. Healing and miracles was a sign to the children of Israel in Jesus days so they could recognize Him as the Messiah. God did NOT promise the Gentiles apostles to have that healing power. In 1927 Edward Cooney, a 2x2 worker told his overseer and those on his staff that he could heal one of the sick professing friends just like Matthew 10. He tried to heal that professing lady in front of the overseer many workers and the friends BUT the healing didn't happen... Eventually, Edward Cooney was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 19, 2019 18:14:10 GMT -5
Nathan, how in this world can you support a church that denies Jesus is God. That they say Jesus is the Son of God but are so ignorant of what they’re saying. They can say Jesus Christ but don’t understand they’re saying Jesus is God? They read scripture after scripture but have NO REAL understanding of what they’re reading? Like these verses put it so plain most anyone with reason ability’s should fully understand that Jesus is God! John 1:1 and verse 14; I Timothy 3:16; I John 2:22; I John 4:2-3; I John 7. These verses read together as my bible references them leads us right into understanding what God intended us to understand that Jesus is God the Son. I know I was just as blind to scriptures like these as well, except those in I John which declares such people that deny Jesus Christ has come in the flesh or that God was manifested in the flesh ARE antichrist! That is so worrisome for me about my beloved 2x2s! They’re blinded by false prophets! They cannot come to understand the scriptures because they’re told the scriptures don’t say what they say! That’s false prophets! ** The current workers and the friends got a BIG BAD dose of bad and incorrect teachings on the Trinity; Jesus is NOT God and the Trinity is heresy and the devil/pagans belief from some and it grew to many workers in 1960s to now... That kind of teaching coming from the workers on the platform. and they believe it without question. They even excommunicated some of the workers who taught the Trinity or Jesus is God because they believe it came from the RCC. Well, the current friends and workers can change ALL of that just like you did! Through studying and praying to God and He can reveal that Jesus is the Christ/God. The Sunday morning worship which ALL of them appreciate, love and adore is set up by the early days workers to worship the TRINITY= God the Father, Christ our Lord God and Savior and Holy Spirit. But they have no idea what they’re doing! If they don’t realize what their doing it becomes vain repetitions. Worst part of all, after showing scriptures that definitely says Jesus is God they can go to conventions and swallow hook line and sinker some other unknowledgeable purposeful denial that Jesus is God. And the more it’s said, the more they accept weigh out question. It’s a case of blind leading the blinds, all in order to just be different from another established church. This is false prophecying.
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2019 18:30:48 GMT -5
** The current workers and the friends got a BIG BAD dose of bad and incorrect teachings on the Trinity; Jesus is NOT God and the Trinity is heresy and the devil/pagans belief from some and it grew to many workers in 1960s to now... That kind of teaching coming from the workers on the platform. and they believe it without question. They even excommunicated some of the workers who taught the Trinity or Jesus is God because they believe it came from the RCC. Well, the current friends and workers can change ALL of that just like you did! Through studying and praying to God and He can reveal that Jesus is the Christ/God. The Sunday morning worship which ALL of them appreciate, love and adore is set up by the early days workers to worship the TRINITY= God the Father, Christ our Lord God and Savior and Holy Spirit. But they have no idea what they’re doing! If they don’t realize what their doing it becomes vain repetitions. Worst part of all, after showing scriptures that definitely says Jesus is God they can go to conventions and swallow hook line and sinker some other unknowledgeable purposeful denial that Jesus is God. And the more it’s said, the more they accept weigh out question. It’s a case of blind leading the blinds, all in order to just be different from another established church. This is false prophecying. *** The 2x2s need to have Some workers that have a great respect and have a good understanding of the scriptures to teach friends to study these thing for themselves and ask God to reveal who Christ is.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 19, 2019 19:09:51 GMT -5
But they have no idea what they’re doing! If they don’t realize what their doing it becomes vain repetitions. Worst part of all, after showing scriptures that definitely says Jesus is God they can go to conventions and swallow hook line and sinker some other unknowledgeable purposeful denial that Jesus is God. And the more it’s said, the more they accept weigh out question. It’s a case of blind leading the blinds, all in order to just be different from another established church. This is false prophecying. *** The 2x2s need to have Some workers that have a great respect and have a good understanding of the scriptures to teach friends to study these thing for themselves and ask God to reveal who Christ is. You’re very right! I’m praying very hard for that!
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Post by chuck on Nov 19, 2019 19:20:25 GMT -5
So could you heal people?. ** Why, do you ask that? Because I claimed I was an apostle/worker? No, God didn't give me the power to heal and I didn't know any of the 2x2 worker did either. I wonder about that too after I profess if the workers are the the apostles today surely they can heal people just like in Matthew 10 and Luke 10 and in the book of Acts. This is the answer God has revealed to me... Jesus and the Jewish apostles had the power heal the blind, the sick and raised the dead to prove to the children of Isarel that He is the Christ the anointed Messiah. In Acts 3:22-26 God had told the children of Israel when the Messiah came he would be like unto Moses by showing miracles, healing to prove to them that God has SENT him. Jesus/God gave the 12,70 apostles to heal people to let the children of Israel know they are the servants SENT by God also. Healing and miracles was a sign to the children of Israel in Jesus days so they could recognize Him as the Messiah. God did NOT promise the Gentiles apostles to have that healing power. In 1927 Edward Cooney, a 2x2 worker told his overseer and those on his staff that he could heal one of the sick professing friends just like Matthew 10. He tried to heal that professing lady in front of the overseer many workers and the friends BUT the healing didn't happen... Eventually, Edward Cooney was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship. “Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.”50 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.” - Luke 9:49-50 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke9:49-50&version=NIV“Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, - Mark 9:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark9:38-39&version=NIV"not one of us" 😳
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2019 20:14:53 GMT -5
*** The 2x2s need to have Some workers that have a great respect and have a good understanding of the scriptures to teach friends to study these thing for themselves and ask God to reveal who Christ is. You’re very right! I’m praying very hard for that! ** Well, probably, AFTER We died STR to see the changes. It took the 2x2s over 50 yrs from believing Jesus is God and Savior and the TRINITY to anti-Trinity believers and Jesus is NOT God. Jesus is the Son of God. It will take 50 yrs for the 2x2 to go back understand and believing and KNOW The TRUE Trinity= God the Father, Christ our Lord God Savior and they Holy Spirit are ONE in unity, heart and mind but 3 separate supreme beings. ALL the 2x2s have to do is OPEN their Eyes! And PAY attention to the SUNDAY morning WORSHIP gathering set up then they will SEE the TRINITY clearly.
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2019 20:31:37 GMT -5
** Why, do you ask that? Because I claimed I was an apostle/worker? No, God didn't give me the power to heal and I didn't know any of the 2x2 worker did either. I wonder about that too after I profess if the workers are the the apostles today surely they can heal people just like in Matthew 10 and Luke 10 and in the book of Acts. This is the answer God has revealed to me... Jesus and the Jewish apostles had the power heal the blind, the sick and raised the dead to prove to the children of Isarel that He is the Christ the anointed Messiah. In Acts 3:22-26 God had told the children of Israel when the Messiah came he would be like unto Moses by showing miracles, healing to prove to them that God has SENT him. Jesus/God gave the 12,70 apostles to heal people to let the children of Israel know they are the servants SENT by God also. Healing and miracles was a sign to the children of Israel in Jesus days so they could recognize Him as the Messiah. God did NOT promise the Gentiles apostles to have that healing power. In 1927 Edward Cooney, a 2x2 worker told his overseer and those on his staff that he could heal one of the sick professing friends just like Matthew 10. He tried to heal that professing lady in front of the overseer many workers and the friends BUT the healing didn't happen... Eventually, Edward Cooney was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship. “Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.”50 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.” - Luke 9:49-50 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke9:49-50&version=NIV“Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, - Mark 9:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark9:38-39&version=NIV"not one of us" 😳 *** Montain and I have explained this many times! That man was a followers of Jesus and wasn't part of the 12 and 70 inner cicrle. The apostles and followers of Jesus truth and way are in the SAME boat and walking in the SAME Steps in serving the SAME God. So, GOD the Father and Jesus Christ/God gave that man power to cast the demons out in His name. We had known of workers and friends were so upset at certain friends for teaching/reliving others about Jesus. They believe that teaching/preaching is the workers responsibility and NOT the friends. In the gospels (the Samaritian women) and in the book of Acts we read the church/assembly of believers went everywhere preaching the word of God NOT just apostles. More of outsiders have come to Christ through the friends testimonies, teaching and sharing the gospel with them than the workers preaching. We read in the book of Acts the followers of Jesus such as Phillip the evangelist, Stephen, Ananais who healed Paul visions were NOT apostles. The man/disciple that cast out demons in Jesus name was NOT one of the 12 inner circle But BOTH were part of the same group/fellowship and serving the same God.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 19, 2019 21:05:40 GMT -5
You’re very right! I’m praying very hard for that! ** Well, probably, AFTER We died STR to see the changes. It took the 2x2s over 50 yrs from believing Jesus is God and Savior and the TRINITY to anti-Trinity believers and Jesus is NOT God. Jesus is the Son of God. It will take 50 yrs for the 2x2 to go back understand and believing and KNOW The TRUE Trinity= God the Father, Christ our Lord God Savior and they Holy Spirit are ONE in unity, heart and mind but 3 separate supreme beings. ALL the 2x2s have to do is OPEN their Eyes! And PAY attention to the SUNDAY morning WORSHIP gathering set up then they will SEE the TRINITY clearly. II PETER 2:1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privilege shall bring damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Verse 2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2019 22:19:09 GMT -5
** Well, probably, AFTER We died STR to see the changes. It took the 2x2s over 50 yrs from believing Jesus is God and Savior and the TRINITY to anti-Trinity believers and Jesus is NOT God. Jesus is the Son of God. It will take 50 yrs for the 2x2 to go back understand and believing and KNOW The TRUE Trinity= God the Father, Christ our Lord God Savior and they Holy Spirit are ONE in unity, heart and mind but 3 separate supreme beings. ALL the 2x2s have to do is OPEN their Eyes! And PAY attention to the SUNDAY morning WORSHIP gathering set up then they will SEE the TRINITY clearly. II PETER 2:1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privilege shall bring damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Verse 2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. *** Hopefully, Some good workers and the friends with sound minds and doctrines understand are out there can turn things around before it too late.... That 2x2s rank with the Jehovah Witness, Mormons and a few others for being anti-Trinity cult groups.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 19, 2019 23:34:36 GMT -5
II PETER 2:1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privilege shall bring damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Verse 2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. *** Hopefully, Some good workers and the friends with sound minds and doctrines understand are out there can turn things around before it too late.... That 2x2s rank with the Jehovah Witness, Mormons and a few others for being anti-Trinity cult groups.
I know it’s not like even when I was a youngster. The workers then were strict and stern but they didn’t bend over backwards to make themselves vastly different then other churches as they do now! I didn’t really see a whole lot of difference between their general demeanor then the school teachers I knew in those years. Maybe because several had been school teachers.
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Post by nathan on Nov 19, 2019 23:50:01 GMT -5
*** Hopefully, Some good workers and the friends with sound minds and doctrines are out there can turn things around before it too late.... That 2x2s rank with the Jehovah Witness, Mormons and a few others for being anti-Trinity cult groups.
I know it’s not like even when I was a youngster. The workers then were strict and stern but they didn’t bend over backwards to make themselves vastly different then other churches as they do now! I didn’t really see a whole lot of difference between their general demeanor then the school teachers I knew in those years. Maybe because several had been school teachers. God is in control He will NOT let things get out of hand too much! God raised up Paul, John, Barnabas, Timothy, Titus, Silas, Apollo and others like them to guide the church in the RIGHT path of Christ doctrines... God has been doing that for the last 2000 years already (CSA is making progress! in Australia and hopefully it will spread to all countries) and he will NOT let His True church goes down to the toilet to be considered as a CULT because of some bad workers teachings. The truth of God will prevail.
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Post by janj on Nov 20, 2019 20:11:14 GMT -5
Nathan, how in this world can you support a church that denies Jesus is God. That they say Jesus is the Son of God but are so ignorant of what they’re saying. They can say Jesus Christ but don’t understand they’re saying Jesus is God? They read scripture after scripture but have NO REAL understanding of what they’re reading? Like these verses put it so plain most anyone with reason ability’s should fully understand that Jesus is God! John 1:1 and verse 14; I Timothy 3:16; I John 2:22; I John 4:2-3; I John 7. These verses read together as my bible references them leads us right into understanding what God intended us to understand that Jesus is God the Son. I know I was just as blind to scriptures like these as well, except those in I John which declares such people that deny Jesus Christ has come in the flesh or that God was manifested in the flesh ARE antichrist! That is so worrisome for me about my beloved 2x2s! They’re blinded by false prophets! They cannot come to understand the scriptures because they’re told the scriptures don’t say what they say! That’s false prophets! I grew up not realising there was a trinity debate. In my 20s I suddenly discovered that some people thought Jesus of God and I couldn't believe it. With all we read in the bible they could actuslly think that?Regardless of what I think on other doctrine now, I still I cannot believe that people are so blinded that they think Jesus is God. Jesus is devine, he is one with father but he is not God. So SSR there are people that think very differently to you and maybe,just maybe they are right and you are wrong. I wouldnt waste.my time worrying about your 2x2 friends over that point. It is their personal relationship with God and the love they have for others that matters.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 20, 2019 20:47:29 GMT -5
Nathan, how in this world can you support a church that denies Jesus is God. That they say Jesus is the Son of God but are so ignorant of what they’re saying. They can say Jesus Christ but don’t understand they’re saying Jesus is God? They read scripture after scripture but have NO REAL understanding of what they’re reading? Like these verses put it so plain most anyone with reason ability’s should fully understand that Jesus is God! John 1:1 and verse 14; I Timothy 3:16; I John 2:22; I John 4:2-3; I John 7. These verses read together as my bible references them leads us right into understanding what God intended us to understand that Jesus is God the Son. I know I was just as blind to scriptures like these as well, except those in I John which declares such people that deny Jesus Christ has come in the flesh or that God was manifested in the flesh ARE antichrist! That is so worrisome for me about my beloved 2x2s! They’re blinded by false prophets! They cannot come to understand the scriptures because they’re told the scriptures don’t say what they say! That’s false prophets! I grew up not realising there was a trinity debate. In my 20s I suddenly discovered that some people thought Jesus of God and I couldn't believe it. With all we read in the bible they could actuslly think that?Regardless of what I think on other doctrine now, I still I cannot believe that people are so blinded that they think Jesus is God. Jesus is devine, he is one with father but he is not God. So SSR there are people that think very differently to you and maybe,just maybe they are right and you are wrong. I wouldnt waste.my time worrying about your 2x2 friends over that point. It is their personal relationship with God and the love they have for others that matters. The Bible is quite clear. I do not know how in the 40 years I was 2x2 that the real truth wasn’t like a blinding light but it’s the blindness of the group’s very dependence upon whatever the workers says. It is their law and gospel, not what the Bible says. I assure you it’s far more then a personal relationship with God simply because if you cannot understand like the Jews understood that when Jesus said he was the Son of God was him saying he was equal to God or God. Jesus said there’d be those who’d come to him saying they did this and that in his name; but he also said he’d tell them to depart “for I never knew you.” So in order to really know someone we have to know exactly who they are. And if Jesus can’t confess our names before the Father because he doesn’t know us, then there was not a personal relationship with God! The 2x2s started out teaching about who Jesus is; but someone discovered the Catholics believed it as well. So they’ve gone backwards so far in order just to be different then other churches, they’ve lost the “key of knowledge “ to the scriptures. They say Jesus is the Son of God, but pathetically they have NO IDEA what they’re saying. Even the Jews knew what “the Son of God” meant , even so much so as to want to kill him. To say Jesus is the Son of God is saying he is God or God the Son. Or at the very least saying he is equal to God. Only God is to be worshipped this and Jesus was worshipped and he didn’t correct those who worshipped him. The 2x2s pray “in Jesus’ name, they baptize “in THE NAME(singular) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.” But they don’t realize they’re saying in actuality that “the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit” are “one”. They thank Jesus for his sacrifice in the bread and wine, they’re worshipping him; but they don’t realize or know only God is to be worshipped. So why are they vehemently denying Jesus is God? Are they not just doing repetitious things because the first workers put things that way when they were still teaching and preaching the Trinity? And thusly they really have NO IDEA to the meaning of what they do? Is this not a very good example of vain repetitions? It all comes down to a sick feeling in my gut. And yes, I did it along with the best of them for 40 years. And my sorrow has been great over my ignorance! BTW, we tend to say God meaning the Father but that is not reality. God is his nature not his name. As is Godhead is his nature not his name. As Divine is his nature not his name. So you saying Jesus is divine, so is the Father, so is the Holy Spirit. That is their nature. The Bible says that Jesus “possessed the Godhead bodily”. That’s the same as saying “Jesus is God made manifest in the flesh.” Jesus is the Word. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the WORD WAS GOD. The PROPER NAMES FOR THE “GOD” of heaven are the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, just as Jesus said in the baptizing directions in Matthew 28. This came to me when I read NIV Phillipians 2:6. Whom(Jesus) is in very nature God,... How can Jesus be anything but God since God begat him all by himself before the world ever became?
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