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Post by thelight on Oct 23, 2019 0:39:09 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Oct 23, 2019 11:33:44 GMT -5
What small religious group was this?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 12:51:29 GMT -5
What small religious group was this? 2x2
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Post by Grant on Oct 23, 2019 13:53:44 GMT -5
httpso://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/samantha-fraser-left-religious-cult-before-alleged-murder-by-former-husband-court-told/ar-AAJcXgZ?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignout What small religious group was this? It says it is identified as the two by twos, which is the group this board is about.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 23, 2019 14:04:59 GMT -5
What small religious group was this? 5th paragraph “Debbie Mahoni, a friend of 20 years, also told the court Ms. Fraser was the first in her family to leave their small religious sect, which treating Psychologist Terry Melvin identified as the Two by Twos.”
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Post by snow on Oct 23, 2019 14:07:41 GMT -5
What small religious group was this? 5th paragraph “Debbie Mahoni, a friend of 20 years, also told the court Ms. Fraser was the first in her family to leave their small religious sect, which treating Psychologist Terry Melvin identified as the Two by Twos.” Thanks STR wally and enuf.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 15:30:04 GMT -5
From "The Australian" newspaper. The court heard Ms Fraser grew up in a small religious cult, Two by Two, and was “disowned by extended family members” when she made the decision to leave.
This is another sad case of how ex's are treated in Victoria. It should not be that way and let us hope with the talk about change, that this issue is addressed. Shunning is contrary to Christian teachings, and certainly not humanistic.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 23, 2019 16:48:53 GMT -5
From "The Australian" newspaper. The court heard Ms Fraser grew up in a small religious cult, Two by Two, and was “disowned by extended family members” when she made the decision to leave. This is another sad case of how ex's are treated in Victoria. It should not be that way and let us hope with the talk about change, that this issue is addressed. Shunning is contrary to Christian teachings, and certainly not humanistic. It is a spiritual killing for some people.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 17:11:07 GMT -5
STR, just so sad that people should think that way. About 6 months after I left, had a series accident that almost killed me. Many of my 2x2 family said that was my punishment. They think that way because of wrong teaching. We live in the hope that will change. I do believe that it is with the younger generation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 18:04:50 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 23, 2019 19:23:35 GMT -5
STR, just so sad that people should think that way. About 6 months after I left, had a series accident that almost killed me. Many of my 2x2 family said that was my punishment. They think that way because of wrong teaching. We live in the hope that will change. I do believe that it is with the younger generation. That is terrible. Nothing like that happened to me, and no one even told me I should return. Such a thing is really an attempt to get some control over your thinking process.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 23, 2019 19:39:37 GMT -5
STR, just so sad that people should think that way. About 6 months after I left, had a series accident that almost killed me. Many of my 2x2 family said that was my punishment. They think that way because of wrong teaching. We live in the hope that will change. I do believe that it is with the younger generation. That is terrible. Nothing like that happened to me, and no one even told me I should return. Such a thing is really an attempt to get some control over your thinking process. I’ve been condemned to hell for “taking on heretical beliefs”. The hardliners 2x2s have no idea the rewards that they are accruing!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 19:46:59 GMT -5
From "The Australian" newspaper. The court heard Ms Fraser grew up in a small religious cult, Two by Two, and was “disowned by extended family members” when she made the decision to leave. This is another sad case of how ex's are treated in Victoria. It should not be that way and let us hope with the talk about change, that this issue is addressed. Shunning is contrary to Christian teachings, and certainly not humanistic. no one should be killed for leaving or joining a church but the case for shunning is biblical for someone who goes off the rails in the church. Christ said so here: Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. paul spoke similarly here: 1Co_5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 20:40:39 GMT -5
Wally you would need a wild imagination, to interpret those verses mean ex's must be shunned. I am aware that 2x2's do possess that imagination. But by shunning anyone, it transgresses moral law and common decency.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 23, 2019 20:56:19 GMT -5
From "The Australian" newspaper. The court heard Ms Fraser grew up in a small religious cult, Two by Two, and was “disowned by extended family members” when she made the decision to leave. This is another sad case of how ex's are treated in Victoria. It should not be that way and let us hope with the talk about change, that this issue is addressed. Shunning is contrary to Christian teachings, and certainly not humanistic. no one should be killed for leaving or joining a church but the case for shunning is biblical for someone who goes off the rails in the church. Christ said so here: Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. paul spoke similarly here: 1Co_5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For Pete’s sake Wally! The first was about trespasses against brothers. And a failed attempt to bring peace between them. Besides that which is prescribed is not considered shunning. It means not to be best friends with them as you once were but not to the effect of hatred. The second case is very similar in that you are not to have church fellowship with but it doesn’t say to not treat them as dirt under your feet. Shunning is the worst kind of treatment a person can do to another next to physical killing them. It’s very emotional and mental abuse. You sure can’t win anyone to repentance by pure hatred.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 23, 2019 20:58:30 GMT -5
I noticed in one of the articles Samatha was a psychologists herself! So she would have had a deeper sense of what her ex husband was capable of.
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 23, 2019 21:11:37 GMT -5
Wally you would need a wild imagination, to interpret those verses mean ex's must be shunned. I am aware that 2x2's do possess that imagination. But by shunning anyone, it transgresses moral law and common decency. Much of what Jesus preached defied moral law and common decency. "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." - Matthew 10. I think the 2x2s should do a lot more shunning and mocking of exes who suffer misfortune. "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you." -Proverbs 1:26-8 "Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name" - Psamls 79:6
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Post by Pragmatic on Oct 23, 2019 21:13:09 GMT -5
The surname of Basham says it all!
I don't think the religion aspect is even all that relevant, but used as a prop to the story. The husband is obviously just a dominating but insecure control freak, who I would suspect is either an untreated bi-polar. or has another diagnosable mental illness.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 23, 2019 21:21:07 GMT -5
Wally you would need a wild imagination, to interpret those verses mean ex's must be shunned. I am aware that 2x2's do possess that imagination. But by shunning anyone, it transgresses moral law and common decency. Much of what Jesus preached defied moral law and common decency. "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." - Matthew 10. I think the 2x2s should do a lot more shunning and mocking of exes who suffer misfortune. "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you." -Proverbs 1:26-8 "Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name" - Psamls 79:6 Of course -- none of that it either moral or decent. Ironically, Christians can call such actions moral if committed by Christians, but immoral if committed by non-Christians.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 23, 2019 21:22:50 GMT -5
The surname of Basham says it all! I don't think the religion aspect is even all that relevant, but used as a prop to the story. The husband is obviously just a dominating but insecure control freak, who I would suspect is either an untreated bi-polar. or has another diagnosable mental illness. Something for the self-righteous to smack their jaws about.
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 23, 2019 21:50:58 GMT -5
From "The Australian" newspaper. The court heard Ms Fraser grew up in a small religious cult, Two by Two, and was “disowned by extended family members” when she made the decision to leave. This is another sad case of how ex's are treated in Victoria. It should not be that way and let us hope with the talk about change, that this issue is addressed. Shunning is contrary to Christian teachings, and certainly not humanistic. no one should be killed for leaving or joining a church but the case for shunning is biblical for someone who goes off the rails in the church. Christ said so here: Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. paul spoke similarly here: 1Co_5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. And here we have the evidence of what happens and how it is justified !! Wake up @wally there is no excuse to shun anyone !!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 22:12:40 GMT -5
no one should be killed for leaving or joining a church but the case for shunning is biblical for someone who goes off the rails in the church. Christ said so here: Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. paul spoke similarly here: 1Co_5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For Pete’s sake Wally! The first was about trespasses against brothers. And a failed attempt to bring peace between them. Besides that which is prescribed is not considered shunning. It means not to be best friends with them as you once were but not to the effect of hatred. The second case is very similar in that you are not to have church fellowship with but it doesn’t say to not treat them as dirt under your feet. Shunning is the worst kind of treatment a person can do to another next to physical killing them. It’s very emotional and mental abuse. You sure can’t win anyone to repentance by pure hatred. you have your interpretation i have mine... when i was shunned i certainly turned my life around....
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 23, 2019 22:22:40 GMT -5
Wally you would need a wild imagination, to interpret those verses mean ex's must be shunned. I am aware that 2x2's do possess that imagination. But by shunning anyone, it transgresses moral law and common decency. Much of what Jesus preached defied moral law and common decency. "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." - Matthew 10. I think the 2x2s should do a lot more shunning and mocking of exes who suffer misfortune. "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you." -Proverbs 1:26-8 "Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name" - Psamls 79:6 In the case of putting the adulterous man who had had his father’s wife, Paul told the church not to glory in the man’s calamity. ICorinthians 5:6. Your glorying IS not goid. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Verse 8. There fore let us keep the feast , not with old leaven neither WITH the leaven of MALICE and WICKEDNESS; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. Then he went on to say he’d written them not to company with fornicTors. But verses before that was telling them not to rub the sore in the man so exiled.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 23, 2019 22:29:31 GMT -5
no one should be killed for leaving or joining a church but the case for shunning is biblical for someone who goes off the rails in the church. Christ said so here: Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. paul spoke similarly here: 1Co_5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. And here we have the evidence of what happens and how it is justified !! Wake up @wally there is no excuse to shun anyone !! I say just shoot them!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 7:07:48 GMT -5
no one should be killed for leaving or joining a church but the case for shunning is biblical for someone who goes off the rails in the church. Christ said so here: Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. paul spoke similarly here: 1Co_5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. Matt 6:15...if you want God to forgive your trespasses you better do likewise. (My words.) gonna have to go with Christ on this one....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 7:59:54 GMT -5
Shunning is a behaviour of cult type Churches, not part of the conduct of main stream Churches. It is wrong, very wrong and should be called out as such. Those of us who have been treated in such a way, know how hurtful it is. The people who treat people like that, lack compassion, and are not aware of the damage they cause.
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Post by Grant on Oct 24, 2019 10:11:59 GMT -5
From "The Australian" newspaper. The court heard Ms Fraser grew up in a small religious cult, Two by Two, and was “disowned by extended family members” when she made the decision to leave. This is another sad case of how ex's are treated in Victoria. It should not be that way and let us hope with the talk about change, that this issue is addressed. Shunning is contrary to Christian teachings, and certainly not humanistic. no one should be killed for leaving or joining a church but the case for shunning is biblical for someone who goes off the rails in the church. Christ said so here: Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. paul spoke similarly here: 1Co_5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. Since when is leaving your church and going to another 'going off the rails'? Again going to another church is seen as a bigger threat than leaving and not going anywhere.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 24, 2019 10:36:49 GMT -5
Shunning is a behaviour of cult type Churches, not part of the conduct of main stream Churches. It is wrong, very wrong and should be called out as such. Those of us who have been treated in such a way, know how hurtful it is. The people who treat people like that, lack compassion, and are not aware of the damage they cause. Nor are they aware of the rewards or lack of rewards they’re accruing for themselves.
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