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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 13:50:51 GMT -5
Christ was trying to change those publicans and sinners so they could enter the kingdom but not to the destruction of the fellowship... Of the priest, the Levite and the Samaritan, who contributed the most to the success of the fellowship? Luke 10 New International Version (NIV) 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ 36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” 37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.” and yet your ignoring other scripture that i have posted that shows shunning is an option. one might note that the man that was robbed was not creating trouble but was a victim...
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Post by fixit on Oct 29, 2019 19:01:33 GMT -5
Of the priest, the Levite and the Samaritan, who contributed the most to the success of the fellowship? Luke 10 New International Version (NIV) 25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ 36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” 37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.” and yet your ignoring other scripture that i have posted that shows shunning is an option. one might note that the man that was robbed was not creating trouble but was a victim... No doubt the Levite and the priest would quote scripture to justify their behaviour - as would legalists today.
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Post by Pragmatic on Oct 31, 2019 4:47:56 GMT -5
I can accept someone being excommunicated for the right reasons, eg; promoting an opposing doctrine, but see no reason why they should be shunned.
I can handle the fact that some 2*2s lack the social skills to interact with an ex, so will avoid them. That isn’t shunning.
I do not accept shunning as being the act of a Christian.
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Post by janj on Oct 31, 2019 14:52:35 GMT -5
Shunning is a behaviour of cult type Churches, not part of the conduct of main stream Churches. It is wrong, very wrong and should be called out as such. Those of us who have been treated in such a way, know how hurtful it is. The people who treat people like that, lack compassion, and are not aware of the damage they cause. Really? I have seen serious shunning in Catholic families where children marry outside the church.
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 31, 2019 17:29:57 GMT -5
Shunning is a behaviour of cult type Churches, not part of the conduct of main stream Churches. It is wrong, very wrong and should be called out as such. Those of us who have been treated in such a way, know how hurtful it is. The people who treat people like that, lack compassion, and are not aware of the damage they cause. Really? I have seen serious shunning in Catholic families where children marry outside the church. When the exes on here laud "mainstream" churches, what they really mean is extremely liberal modern denominations that in the last 30 years have fallen away from thousands of years of real Christian practices.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 18:42:12 GMT -5
Historically, a group of Protestant denominations with roots deep in the American experience were known as the mainstream churches. They included Baptists, Congregationalists, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, and the Disciples or Churches of Christ and Reformed Churches.
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 31, 2019 20:17:39 GMT -5
Historically, a group of Protestant denominations with roots deep in the American experience were known as the mainstream churches. They included Baptists, Congregationalists, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, and the Disciples or Churches of Christ and Reformed Churches. The more correct term is actually "Mainline" Protestant Churches, not mainstream churches. There is not much Biblical-based in these radical groups. - "The Episcopal Church ordains women and LGBT people to the priesthood, the diaconate, and the episcopate, despite opposition from a number of other member churches of the Anglican Communion. In 2003, Gene Robinson became the first openly gay person ordained as a bishop." "In 2015, the church's 78th triennial General Convention passed resolutions allowing the blessing of same-sex marriages and approved two official liturgies to bless such unions" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Church_(United_States)
- The United Methodist Church "officially affirms the theory of evolution and opposes introducing theories such as Creationism or Intelligent Design into public school curriculum" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Methodist_Church
- "Churches in the UCC are allowed to solemnize same-sex unions". "On April 28, 2014, the UCC filed a lawsuit against North Carolina for not permitting same-sex marriage, the first faith-based challenge to same-sex marriage bans in the US." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ
- "The RCA first admitted women to the offices of deacon and elder in 1972 and first ordained women in 1979" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Church_in_America
- 'The Presbyterian Church (USA) voted to allow same-gender marriages on June 19, 2014 during its 221st General Assembly, making it one of the largest Christian denominations in the world to allow same-sex unions. This vote lifted a previous ban, and allows pastors to perform marriages in jurisdictions where it is legal. Additionally, the Assembly approved to amend the Book of Order that would change the definition of marriage from "between a man and a woman" to "between two people, traditionally between a man and a woman".' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_(USA)
- "On May 31, 2013, Guy Erwin became the first openly gay man to be chosen bishop in the ELCA when he was elected to a six-year term as bishop of the Southwest California Synod. In 2015, the denomination ordained, officially, the first transgender pastor." "Since 2009 blessings of same-sex marriages are allowed in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Lutheran_Church_in_America
You could make a strong argument that these so called mainline groups are actually the cult-like ones who have departed from the Biblical teachings. By contrast, faithful Christians have been burning alive witches, LGBT people, atheists, and other non-Christians for thousands of years.
The Friends and Workers, Independent Fundamental Baptists, JWs, and others are really the "mainstream" Christians in terms of staying aligned with the craziness of the Bible.\
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 31, 2019 21:11:50 GMT -5
Historically, a group of Protestant denominations with roots deep in the American experience were known as the mainstream churches. They included Baptists, Congregationalists, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, and the Disciples or Churches of Christ and Reformed Churches. Just an aside; many "mainstream churches" are having to close their doors in the past decade or so.
Here is the latest church closing near me near me. Pekin church is soon closing its doors, after 145 years of services, leaving an impact on many in the area.
On Sunday, the Second Reformed church in Pekin was filled with song and worship.
“It’s not Sunday if you don’t come to church,” said Grace Durham, a lifelong member at Second Reformed.
But next month, it will be quiet, and the church will hold its final service.
“We’re just plugging along as usual is what we’re going for now, and then after the 24th, well then the doors are closed,” said Paul Sims, a deacon.
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