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Post by howitis on Jun 20, 2018 17:03:25 GMT -5
You make some interesting points. If you will re-read the OP, you will notice that the workers didn't suggest it--they requested it, and requests by Workers are pretty much demands. It now appears that the new group created by Rey Aragones called, "True Friends - Globally" has disappeared. One report is that he changed it to a "secret" group.The NSW police force made the request, many in the public service have had the same requested of them, my daughter was one of them and prior to that request she had been placed in a very dangerous situation because of her work and it was because of social media, Ms Markle was requested to close her accounts......I believe this is because of safety issues......and quite possibly the same applies to the workers request. Wouldn't it be nice if we had it within ourselves to say isn't it great that the workers have people's personal safety at heart and are putting things in place to help keep people safe.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jun 20, 2018 17:57:16 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice if we had it within ourselves to say isn't it great that the workers have people's personal safety at heart and are putting things in place to help keep people safe. Wouldnt it be nice if the Workers allowed the Holy Spirit to guide the Friends, rather than making rules and conditions for fellowship?
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Post by howitis on Jun 20, 2018 18:12:42 GMT -5
Wouldnt it be nice if the Workers allowed the Holy Spirit to guide the Friends, rather than making rules and conditions for fellowship? Absolutely! And IF that same spirit guided all believers I wonder how many threads like this would even exist?
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Post by CherieKropp on Jun 20, 2018 19:03:10 GMT -5
Good points—except that safety wasn't the reason given by the Workers. Their reason had nothing to do with safety: We feel this will help our fellowship to be focused again on the simple truths of maintaining our relationship with God through prayer, reading the scripture, meditating, attending gospel meetings and fellowship meetings.
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Post by Gene on Jun 20, 2018 19:12:59 GMT -5
Will they be shutting fellowship meetings too? Social media is a form of fellowship. Unbelievable how insulated they want members to be. What are they afraid of? The Truth coming out? Don't they trust that people can make their own choices and think for themselves? I remember the days when they preached about the evil internet. I've only heard of one sermon on the evils of childhood sexual abuse though. Seems as if something is brewing in the Philippines. Cutting communication is the mark of a cult and control. A fellow labourer seems highly questionable. I think this is a case of shutting the barn door after the horses have escaped! They can't just forget what they now know. The genie is out of the bottle. Okay too many cliches... No use in crying over spilt milk out of the bottle under the bridge after the barn door has closed on the horse of a different color.
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Post by Gene on Jun 20, 2018 19:14:46 GMT -5
Professing Open Air facebook group has a copy of the letter from John Mastin and company. Honestly you people are so weird sometimes, this really is no scoop of the centuary so why make it out to be? it seems like you are more affected than we. So you're not planning to comply? That is the response Satan would dearly love.
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Post by howitis on Jun 20, 2018 19:26:13 GMT -5
Wouldnt it be nice if the Workers allowed the Holy Spirit to guide the Friends, rather than making rules and conditions for fellowship? Funny that one would expect the people to be guided by the Holy Spirit, yet when it's suggested that they get rid of social media to concentrate more on their relationship with God and the fellowship....it's seen as controlling and wrong. I know of families that have banned their children from the internet and social media to enable better family relationships....and guess what? It actually works and is beneficial.
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Post by howitis on Jun 20, 2018 19:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by Dennis J on Jun 20, 2018 19:38:02 GMT -5
Never been on facebook, so won’t miss it in the least. Only frequent this place here. Is everyone to get off this also? How many might not even if told to do so?
Have been so disappointed in workers, nothing can surprise me any more. We all are what we are, and workers do not answer for me, nor I them.
(BTW, don’t have a smart phone neither.)
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Post by howitis on Jun 20, 2018 20:19:47 GMT -5
The rationale behind the worker's letter is completely the same as that employed by US Worker Ted Rozemer (who laboured in Central America) from the platform in some Australian Conventions he was a visitor at in the 1990's. He made it very clear in one of his sermons at the Silverdale Convention (near Sydney) that he: - did not encourage the Australian friends to write to the friends in his country - no photos were to be sent from Australia to where he laboured in Central America - in particular no wedding photos were to be sent because of the way married couples (read women) were dressing for Australian weddings (many in long white dresses etc) He said that he did not want what he described as his green patch in central America subject to outside worldly influences. It caused quite a stir and many friends gave very direct feedback to local workers and Ted was asked to tone it down. It seems the 2x2 senior workers in the Philippines are desperately trying to protect their "green patch" from outside western 2x2 influences. Global connections including current and ex-members make it impossible for workers to control messages and people's minds so hence the directive in the letter. It is nothing to do with overuse of social media or why schools may be trying to limit mobile device usage during school hours etc. It is also nothing to do with certain occupations not being allowed to have social media accounts for risk issues. In these cases, a police worker often establishes a profile under a different name and restricts public access to their Facebook/Instagram accounts to their personal friend connections. The letter from the workers is simply that they are trying to control their folk over there from outside influences. True Friends ia a closed global Facebook group. The letter also ignores the fact that many people personally communicate with others by Facebook Messenger. Telling people only to communicate by email and similar edicts is what you would expect from a dictatorship. I'm not surprised at all by the letter - these kind of messages have repeatedly occurred in the 2x2 church over the years whether it be in relation to radios, TV's, computers etc. Parents are responsible for making all these kinds of decisions in their own homes - they don't need worker edicts. People who staunchly support the workers will follow the edict, many will ignore it, some will openly deride - all resulting in less unity and more division. Really??!! I find it surprising that NOT ONE of the players here have actually said they've spoken to the workers involved or any of the church, yet are quite able to state what is and isn't!!! I guess when God wants us to judge He will ring a bell.....I'm not hearing any are you??, I have a friend from the Philippines who has been brought up with very liberal Christian ideas, went to a Catholic school, went to Anglican church camps, regularly attends SDA church with friends and family....is not professing....yet when you speak to her she advises much the same as the workers did in that letter as far as social media in that country.....even her friends keep off it.....only nathan was game enough to even suggest a reason other than CONTROL!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 22:07:25 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear you all have to leave TMB. It's been nice conversing with all the 2x2's on here. Now that it's no longer allowed I guess that's it. You will all comply and we won't get to talk anymore. This makes me sad. I'm not going anywhere! But then I don't engage much. <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 34.180000000000064px; height: 4.840000000000003px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_46041127" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1638px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_61346320" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_64618450" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1638px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_57795759" scrolling="no"></iframe> niether am i....
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 20, 2018 22:37:04 GMT -5
Me neither, and I will engage from time to time.
You didn't answer my question Speak - what should the people do, if refusing the workers request is the response Satan wants to hear?
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Post by havejoy on Jun 20, 2018 22:50:09 GMT -5
Sometimes its easy to get worked up or angry over things like control. I've found such a peace lately with living a life that is spiritually led. Something I have never really known how to do before. But once i stepped away from all the "rules" and really read my bible for ME it was so clear how to live a spirit led life. I am beyond thankful for that. Nobody can take that away from me, only ME. So I do want to be careful that I don't just follow something because somebody says I should, but to make sure that it is what God wants.
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Post by nathan on Jun 20, 2018 23:17:03 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear you all have to leave TMB. It's been nice conversing with all the 2x2's on here. Now that it's no longer allowed I guess that's it. You will all comply and we won't get to talk anymore. This makes me sad. I'm not going anywhere! But then I don't engage much. I don't know how much time I have on this earth.... So, I will do all I can to share the gospel of Jesus Christ in any form I can for example at work, on TMB, in our Bible studies, Sunday morning meetings or wherever.
I have met many wonderful people on here, we don't always agree but that is life, we can't agree on everything 100%.
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Post by speak on Jun 20, 2018 23:48:04 GMT -5
Wouldnt it be nice if the Workers allowed the Holy Spirit to guide the Friends, rather than making rules and conditions for fellowship? And how do you know this hasn't come from the Holy Spirit?
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Post by speak on Jun 20, 2018 23:49:45 GMT -5
Good points—except that safety wasn't the reason given by the Workers. Their reason had nothing to do with safety: We feel this will help our fellowship to be focused again on the simple truths of maintaining our relationship with God through prayer, reading the scripture, meditating, attending gospel meetings and fellowship meetings.It is for the safety of the soul.
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Post by speak on Jun 20, 2018 23:52:41 GMT -5
The rationale behind the worker's letter is completely the same as that employed by US Worker Ted Rozemer (who laboured in Central America) from the platform in some Australian Conventions he was a visitor at in the 1990's. He made it very clear in one of his sermons at the Silverdale Convention (near Sydney) that he: - did not encourage the Australian friends to write to the friends in his country - no photos were to be sent from Australia to where he laboured in Central America - in particular no wedding photos were to be sent because of the way married couples (read women) were dressing for Australian weddings (many in long white dresses etc) He said that he did not want what he described as his green patch in central America subject to outside worldly influences. It caused quite a stir and many friends gave very direct feedback to local workers and Ted was asked to tone it down. It seems the 2x2 senior workers in the Philippines are desperately trying to protect their "green patch" from outside western 2x2 influences. Global connections including current and ex-members make it impossible for workers to control messages and people's minds so hence the directive in the letter. It is nothing to do with overuse of social media or why schools may be trying to limit mobile device usage during school hours etc. It is also nothing to do with certain occupations not being allowed to have social media accounts for risk issues. In these cases, a police worker often establishes a profile under a different name and restricts public access to their Facebook/Instagram accounts to their personal friend connections. The letter from the workers is simply that they are trying to control their folk over there from outside influences. True Friends ia a closed global Facebook group. The letter also ignores the fact that many people personally communicate with others by Facebook Messenger. Telling people only to communicate by email and similar edicts is what you would expect from a dictatorship. I'm not surprised at all by the letter - these kind of messages have repeatedly occurred in the 2x2 church over the years whether it be in relation to radios, TV's, computers etc. Parents are responsible for making all these kinds of decisions in their own homes - they don't need worker edicts. People who staunchly support the workers will follow the edict, many will ignore it, some will openly deride - all resulting in less unity and more division. And we in the fellowship don't need your edicts either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 23:53:26 GMT -5
Wouldnt it be nice if the Workers allowed the Holy Spirit to guide the Friends, rather than making rules and conditions for fellowship? And how do you know this hasn't come from the Holy Spirit? i agree with your statement but i wonder what happens when someone like me prayed about coming on TMB and I got a "YES"...
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Post by speak on Jun 20, 2018 23:54:59 GMT -5
Honestly you people are so weird sometimes, this really is no scoop of the centuary so why make it out to be? it seems like you are more affected than we. So you're not planning to comply? That is the response Satan would dearly love. And you know I have a face book account? How?
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 20, 2018 23:55:33 GMT -5
You make some interesting points. If you will re-read the OP, you will notice that the workers didn't suggest it--they requested it, and requests by Workers are pretty much demands. It now appears that the new group created by Rey Aragones called, "True Friends - Globally" has disappeared. One report is that he changed it to a "secret" group.The NSW police force made the request, many in the public service have had the same requested of them, my daughter was one of them and prior to that request she had been placed in a very dangerous situation because of her work and it was because of social media, Ms Markle was requested to close her accounts......I believe this is because of safety issues......and quite possibly the same applies to the workers request. Wouldn't it be nice if we had it within ourselves to say isn't it great that the workers have people's personal safety at heart and are putting things in place to help keep people safe. I thought we were talking about the Philippines not Pakistan howitis !!! For goodness sake, it has nothing to do with safety and all about controlling ! Look what happened in Vietnam as an example.
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Post by howitis on Jun 20, 2018 23:57:14 GMT -5
The NSW police force made the request, many in the public service have had the same requested of them, my daughter was one of them and prior to that request she had been placed in a very dangerous situation because of her work and it was because of social media, Ms Markle was requested to close her accounts......I believe this is because of safety issues......and quite possibly the same applies to the workers request. Wouldn't it be nice if we had it within ourselves to say isn't it great that the workers have people's personal safety at heart and are putting things in place to help keep people safe. I thought we were talking about the Philippines not Pakistan !!! For goodness sake, it has nothing to do with safety and all about controlling ! Can I suggest you speak with someone who lives there before you pass judgement....just an idea
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Post by speak on Jun 20, 2018 23:58:03 GMT -5
Me neither, and I will engage from time to time. You didn't answer my question Speak - what should the people do, if refusing the workers request is the response Satan wants to hear? You are a person who seems to know all, it's not hard to figure. Anyone professing Christ/God would know.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 20, 2018 23:58:54 GMT -5
Wouldnt it be nice if the Workers allowed the Holy Spirit to guide the Friends, rather than making rules and conditions for fellowship? And how do you know this hasn't come from the Holy Spirit? Well speak its a shame the Holy Spirit doesn't direct the workers to deal with the amount of CSA amongst them instead of worrying about social media !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 23:59:15 GMT -5
The NSW police force made the request, many in the public service have had the same requested of them, my daughter was one of them and prior to that request she had been placed in a very dangerous situation because of her work and it was because of social media, Ms Markle was requested to close her accounts......I believe this is because of safety issues......and quite possibly the same applies to the workers request. Wouldn't it be nice if we had it within ourselves to say isn't it great that the workers have people's personal safety at heart and are putting things in place to help keep people safe. I thought we were talking about the Philippines not Pakistan howitis !!! For goodness sake, it has nothing to do with safety and all about controlling ! Look what happened in Vietnam as an example. this is simply a case of the glass half full or glass half empty....
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Post by speak on Jun 21, 2018 0:01:05 GMT -5
And how do you know this hasn't come from the Holy Spirit? i agree with your statement but i wonder what happens when someone like me prayed about coming on TMB and I got a "YES"... Every body is an individual before God. What might be right for one may not be right for another.
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Post by speak on Jun 21, 2018 0:02:36 GMT -5
And how do you know this hasn't come from the Holy Spirit? Well speak its a shame the Holy Spirit doesn't direct the workers to deal with the amount of CSA amongst them instead of worrying about social media ! God is God you ask Him.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 21, 2018 0:02:45 GMT -5
I thought we were talking about the Philippines not Pakistan !!! For goodness sake, it has nothing to do with safety and all about controlling ! Can I suggest you speak with someone who lives there before you pass judgement....just an idea Oh so the Philippines are as bad as Pakistan are they ...... I thought they had faith that God would lead them ! Surely the Workers are suppose to be out there in the world sharing the Gospel !
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 21, 2018 0:04:34 GMT -5
I thought we were talking about the Philippines not Pakistan howitis !!! For goodness sake, it has nothing to do with safety and all about controlling ! Look what happened in Vietnam as an example. this is simply a case of the glass half full or glass half empty.... No its a case of trying to justify the Workers still controlling peoples lives ..... the same as what happened in Vietnam !
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