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Post by Grant on Jan 29, 2018 23:39:29 GMT -5
Okay so now "Whoever wrote the book of genesis 1-6 did not know the whole story, too many details were left out." But of course YOU know the whole story don't you nathan ! Did God tell you that Genesis 1-6 is not the whole story? Or did you come to that conclusion yourself ! Let us use the brains got gave us, OK... In Genesis 6:2 The son of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair and took them wives of all which they choose... Then the earth was corrupt before God, and the earth filled with violence so God decided to WIPE them all out. WHAT the HECK is going on? Like some wrote was God going postal here? Why, would He do that, destroying all animals and humans because they were violence!!
The book of Enoch gave us the good reason WHY? God wanted to Wipe out the world population because the world was filled with the Nephilim/Giants the fallen angels demigods children were destroying, and extinct the human race so the Messiah could NOT enter the world. The Nephilim had to die, then the human race can survive through Noah's family, so the Messiah can enter the world to SAVE the humans sinners. God sent the Great flood world wide to kill the Nephilim and anyone who did NOT believe in God.So, why did the author of Genesis LEFT out that important information about the 200 fallen angels came down from heaven and having SEX with the women to create the Nephilims/Giants? In the book of Genesis the NIV version it mention the words Nephilim/giants but gave no detail where they came from? or WHO created them.
Nothing about fallen angels having sex with women but it says the sons of God which is men having sex with women. The sons of God are human men not angels. There were giants on the earth but I don't think these were fallen angels. They may have been the Nephilim race which existed but they were not fallen angels. The Nephilims may have had sex with women.
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Post by nathan on Jan 29, 2018 23:43:13 GMT -5
The Phillestine Giants are the ones read about and battled against by Children of Israel. They weren't Nephilims but normal humans with large frames. Actually the Phillestine stories are more about spiritual and fleshly battles. The Phillestines represent human flesh and it's lusts that have outgrown the decency that should be found in humans. Just like the cluster of grapes that the Children of Israel spies carried back to Joshua. It took several men to carry it on a pole.I have to think that either because of wandering in the wilderness for forty years of the C o Israel were not stunted in growth in they carried the whole vine of grapes on their pole. Maybe both. Sometimes in rightly dividing the Word of God, we have to kind of use common horse sense and realize some of the OT stories have been told with a bias or at least a spiritual bias to them. You need to google about HOW many giants/Nephilim races living in the promised lands....
There are 7 races of Nephilim giants living in the promised land after Noah world Wide flood .
SEVEN GIANTS IN THE LAND Also, God didn't say we have to fight these battles alone. When Moses told the children of Israel about the Promised Land, he said that God would "cast out" their enemies:
"When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgash-es and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you . . . " Deuteronomy 7:1 So let's examine four more enemies that the Israelites had to confront in order to enter into God's promises: the Jebusites, the Girgash-es, the Canaanites, and Hittites. (Next week in Part 2 we'll take a look at three more strongholds -- the Perizzites, the Amorites, and the Hivites.)
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Gen 6:4 4 ¶ There were giants (nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. In the original text is the word nephilim, which comes from the word naphal, which means to fall. The giants were descendants of fallen angels and the daughters of men. Before the Flood, the sons of God (fallen angels) had the sexual relationship with the daughters of men, who bore children to them. Text says that also after that were giants in the earth, that means that fallen angels had the sexual relationship with the daughters of men also after the Flood. From verse 4 we can see that also after the Flood the sons of God (fallen angels) had been sexual intercourse with the daughters of men, who bore children to them and like this, there were giants in the earth after the Flood. Num 13:33 And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim; and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.' (JPS 1917) Num 13:33 proves that also after the Flood fallen angels had been sexual intercourse with the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Num 13:33 says that the Israelites saw the giants in the land of Canaan, the sons of Anak, who descended from the giants (fallen angels).
Jewish Publication Society Bible (JPS 1917) is the Bible translated from Hebrew into English by Jewish rabbis. JPS 1917 Num 13:33 translates according to the original text: we saw the giants (nephilim), the sons of Anak, who come of (descendants) the giants (nephilim). The fallen angels impregnated satanic seed to the daughters of men, and as the consequence of this their descendants (the giants) made filthy and satanic sins. For this reason God decided to destroy the satanic seed from the earth, and the Flood drowned all people, except Noah's family. The original text of the Bible proves clearly that fallen angels had been sexual intercourse with the daughters of men after the Flood. Therefore, Gen 6:4 said after that (the Flood) the sons of God (fallen angels) had the sexual relationship with the daughters of men, because after the Flood in the earth had lived the giants as the Bible also proves this. You can ask that how it is possible, that after the Flood can be the giants, for in the Ark were only Noah and his family no other people. The fallen angels are evil spirits, which after the Flood impregnated again the daughters of men. The fallen angels are not limited and bound by the borders of the human body, because they are evil spirits and the fallen angels didn't die in the Flood, but they continued deceiving the men by sins after the Flood. Because the Bible speaks that after the Flood, were giants and their descendants in the earth, it means that the fallen angels impregnated again the daughters of men. Their descendants became giant nations, in which the Old Testament tells. Before the Flood, the fallen angels and the daughters of men had been the sexual relationship with each other, and for this reason evil of sin got terrible proportions in the earth. According to the Bible, God commanded to destroy the nations, who were after the flood descended from fallen angels and the nations which had adopted their habits. Evil spirits (fallen angels) had the sexual relationship with the daughters of men, and their descendants were under evil sins like burning their children in the fire as offerings to the idols. They lived violently, make contact with evil spirits, practiced unnatural sexual activities (homosexuality, bestiality).
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Post by nathan on Jan 29, 2018 23:46:26 GMT -5
Let us use the brains got gave us, OK... In Genesis 6:2 The son of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair and took them wives of all which they choose... Then the earth was corrupt before God, and the earth filled with violence so God decided to WIPE them all out. WHAT the HECK is going on? Like some wrote was God going postal here? Why, would He do that, destroying all animals and humans because they were violence!!
The book of Enoch gave us the good reason WHY? God wanted to Wipe out the world population because the world was filled with the Nephilim/Giants the fallen angels demigods children were destroying, and extinct the human race so the Messiah could NOT enter the world. The Nephilim had to die, then the human race can survive through Noah's family, so the Messiah can enter the world to SAVE the humans sinners. God sent the Great flood world wide to kill the Nephilim and anyone who did NOT believe in God.So, why did the author of Genesis LEFT out that important information about the 200 fallen angels came down from heaven and having SEX with the women to create the Nephilims/Giants? In the book of Genesis the NIV version it mention the words Nephilim/giants but gave no detail where they came from? or WHO created them.
Nothing about fallen angels having sex with women but it says the sons of God which is men having sex with women. The sons of God are human men not angels. There were giants on the earth but I don't think these were fallen angels. They may have been the Nephilim race which existed but they were not fallen angels. The Nephilims may have had sex with women. You don't know and understand the Bible or the Scriptures, enuf...
The angels in the heaven don't marry
Matt 22:30 for in the resurrection of the dead, they do not take wives, nor are wives given to husbands; but they are as the angels of god in heaven.
Some people teach that the angels don't marry and therefore, the fallen angels couldn't have the sexual relationship with the daughters of men and took them as wives. They based on their doctrine on Matthew 22:30. When we research this whole subject in the light of the Bible's teaching, so we can see that the Bible teaches that the fallen angels impregnated the daughters of men and they got descendants (Nephilim/the giants).
Matthew 22:30 says, that the angels in the heaven don't marry. The angels in the heaven are obedient and loyal to God, and they don't marry, but the fallen angels had impregnated the daughters of men as the Bible says to us in Genesis 6:4.
www.kotipetripaavola.com/Biblegiants.html
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Post by Grant on Jan 29, 2018 23:54:26 GMT -5
Seems as if you're the one who doesn't know your Bible Nathan and you try and twist it to suit your agenda. No where does it say fallen angels had sex with women and no where are the Nephilims mentioned in the Bible.
There was a giant race and there were the Nepilims but no where does it say that angels had sex with humans.
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Post by nathan on Jan 29, 2018 23:58:44 GMT -5
Seems as if you're the one who doesn't know your Bible Nathan and you try and twist it to suit your agenda. No where does it say fallen angels had sex with women and no where are the Nephilims mentioned in the Bible. There was a giant race and there were the Nepilims but no where does it say that angels had sex with humans. It shows how shallow and lacking your understanding is.... That is all I have to say, you need to study these things for yourself. By the way there were 7 races of Nephilim NOT one giant race in the promised land as you believe.
SEVEN GIANTS/Nephilim RACES IN THE LAND
Also, God didn't say we have to fight these battles alone. When Moses told the children of Israel about the Promised Land, he said that God would "cast out" their enemies:
"When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgash-es and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you . . . " Deuteronomy 7:1
So let's examine four more enemies that the Israelites had to confront in order to enter into God's promises: the Jebusites, the Girgash-es, the Canaanites, and Hittites. (Next week in Part 2 we'll take a look at three more strongholds -- the Perizzites, the Amorites, and the Hivites.)
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Post by Grant on Jan 30, 2018 0:02:31 GMT -5
Nathan you're saying the sons of God are angels. Is Satan a son of God? We say Jesus was sinless or in fact God because he was the son of God and could not sin but now your saying sons of God can sin.
Do angels have sex or are they asexual ?
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Post by nathan on Jan 30, 2018 0:05:38 GMT -5
Seems as if you're the one who doesn't know your Bible Nathan and you try and twist it to suit your agenda. No where does it say fallen angels had sex with women and no where are the Nephilims mentioned in the Bible. There was a giant race and there were the Nepilims but no where does it say that angels had sex with humans. WHO are the SONS OF GOD, men OR angels?
Genesis 6:2 says," That the sons OF GOD (or the sons of ELOHIM) saw the daughters OF MEN that they were fair; and they took them WIVES of all which they chose." The first thing I want you to notice in this verse is the CLEAR DISTINCTION that is made BETWEEN the sons OF GOD and the daughters OF MEN. Now to me, IF the sons OF GOD were TRULY just referring to ordinary MEN or HUMAN BEINGS, then WHY make this CLEAR and DEFINITE DISTINCTION between the two?
Why not just simple say, 'That the SONS OF MEN saw that DAUGHTERS OF MEN that they were fair; and they (the sons of men) took them WIVES of all which they (the sons of men) chose'? phrase "the sons of men" is found multiply times elsewhere in the Bible. Here is a list of twenty such examples. To me it is clear that these sons OF GOD were NOT just mere men or simply ordinary human beings, for you see this your wish to check them out for yourself. (Psalm 4:2/31:19/33:13/57:4/58:1/145:12, Proverbs 8:4,31, Ecclesiastes 2:3,8/3:10,18, Isaiah 52:14, Jeremiah 32:19, Daniel 5:21/10:16, Joel 1:12, Micah 5:7, Mark 3:28, Ephesians 3:5). And in none of these instances of the phase "sons of MEN was the Hebrew "elohim" used. In most cases the Hebrew word "adam" was used, which means HUMAN BEING or mankind. A couple of times the Hebrew word "is" was used, which means man usually referring to men of war. A once was used the Hebrew word "nas", which also means man, but in this instance it refers to the messiah. And in the New Testament the Greek word "anthropos" is used and means human being or mankind as well. It is where we get the word "anthropology" from, which means the study of man. So you see my dear brothers and sisters in the Lord, the writer of the book of Genesis who was inspired of the Holy Spirit could have just as easily used the phrase "the sons OF MEN" if he or more precisely the Holy Spirit TRULY wanted the reader to UNDERSTAND that these who saw that the daughters OF MEN that they were fair and took them as wives all that they chose, were in fact just mere MEN themselves, BUT he did NOT do so. HOWEVER, the writer or the Holy Spirit INSTEAD chose to use the phase "the sons OF ELOHIM or the sons OF GOD". In Hebrew the word that is translated as GOD is the Hebrew word "ELOHIM".
Now this Hebrew word "elohim" means MIGHTY ONE, or GREAT ONE with the FOCUS on a man, a god, or Almighty God having great POWER. This word "elohim" is translated as God, again with the FOCUS on a MIGHTY ONE having GREAT POWER. It is also translated as gods and sometimes refers to man, but I want to draw your attention to this word "elohim" being translated as ANGELS in Psalm 8:4,5 sites.google.com/a/amatteroftruth.com/www/genesis-6-sons-of-god
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Post by Grant on Jan 30, 2018 0:10:33 GMT -5
I believe the difference is that God created Adam (men) from the dust but women from the man. I believe there were other races but there is nothing to say they were fallen angels having sex with women.
This is an interesting and thought provoking conversation.
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Post by Grant on Jan 30, 2018 0:23:13 GMT -5
BTW, if God killed the Nephilims off with the flood, then there isn't any to worry about now. Well, it seemed God did NOT get them ALL because they were MANY, MANY of them survived had cities in the promised land when the 12 spies told Moses and the children about the Nephilim/giant fortress walls, and their seizes, and the 12 spies looked like grasshoppers compare to the Nephilim/giants. They were terrified and the 10 spies discouraged the children of Israel from entering and occupying the promised land that God has promised to give it to them.
God was disappointed in their lack of faith in Him, in defeating the Nephilim/demigods race of giants again... So, God lead the children of Israel through the desert route wandering for 40 yrs. before they entered the promised land. ONLY the 20 yrs old under, Joshua, Kaleb, Aaron entered the promised land the rest died outside the promised land even Moses.You said something like God caused the flood to wipe out the Giants but it didn't work so he made the Israelites to wander in the desert when they didn't defeat them. Is man greater than God? If God couldn't do it do you really think he thought man could? After all God could have killed them in one shot like he did people at different times if he had wanted to wipe them out Where do you get that Aaron etc were under 20. Moses was very old so I guess they would have been older than 20.
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Post by nathan on Jan 30, 2018 0:35:29 GMT -5
Well, it seemed God did NOT get them ALL because they were MANY, MANY of them survived had cities in the promised land when the 12 spies told Moses and the children about the Nephilim/giant fortress walls, and their seizes, and the 12 spies looked like grasshoppers compare to the Nephilim/giants. They were terrified and the 10 spies discouraged the children of Israel from entering and occupying the promised land that God has promised to give it to them.
God was disappointed in their lack of faith in Him, in defeating the Nephilim/demigods race of giants again... So, God lead the children of Israel through the desert route wandering for 40 yrs. before they entered the promised land. ONLY the 20 yrs old under, Joshua, Kaleb, Aaron entered the promised land the rest died outside the promised land even Moses. You said something like God caused the flood to wipe out the Giants but it didn't work so he made the Israelites to wander in the desert when they didn't defeat them. Is man greater than God? If God couldn't do it do you really think he thought man could? After all God could have killed them in one shot like he did people at different times if he had wanted to wipe them out. You are getting your thing mixed up here! Let me clarify... Simple answer... the fallen angels had SEX again with the women of this earth AFTER the flood. Genesis 6:4 4 ¶ There were giants (nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Because of Unbelief in God, they did NOT want to fight against the Nephilim in the promised land, which He had promised to give them to posses. They look like grasshoppers to the Nephilims/giants. Therefore, God sent another longer way through the desert, which took them 40 yrs before they could enter the promised land.
Where do you get that Aaron etc were under 20. Moses was very old so I guess they would have been older than 20. I said Aaron, Joshua, Kaleb and those under 20 yrs old enter the promised land. God did NOT Moses enter in the promised land because he disobeyed God for striking the Rock twice, and he didn't give God the credit.
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Post by Grant on Jan 30, 2018 0:50:17 GMT -5
OK I enjoyed going to Mt Nebo and viewing the promised land where they believe Moses viewed it from. I went there twice actually.
Where did you get it from that the others were under 20?
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Post by nathan on Jan 30, 2018 1:09:47 GMT -5
OK I enjoyed going to Mt Nebo and viewing the promised land where they believe Moses viewed it from. I went there twice actually. Where did you get it from that the others were under 20? God said, "Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun.
The first generation who came out of Egypt were rank unbelievers who essentially did not want to enter the land. Numbers 14 records this Verse 29 indicates it was all the people from 20 years old and upward who were going to die in the wilderness/desert, since that was essentially their wish. The age related to the fact that they had all together made a choice to behave in this way, except Joshua and Caleb, Aaron.
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Post by rational on Jan 30, 2018 1:34:19 GMT -5
nathan how many times do we have to say it "The book of Enoch" is NOT in the bible ! I am sure the Workers would love to hear your version of Genesis 1-6 , especially when you mention the book of Enoch and Nephilims ! Stop adding to what the F&W believe to suit YOUR beliefs. You do the F&W group more harm than good with all your so called "research" ! And How many times did I tell you, the RCC left the book of Enoch OUT of the Bible! The book of Enoch was used as scriptures for thousands of years.... even the apostle Jude used part of the book of Enoch as scriptures in his epistle of Jude. The word Nephilim/giants is used in the NIV version... but in the book of Genesis it doesn't explain Who they were! It didn't say it was 200 fallen angels had SEX with the women of this earth... In Genesis 6:2 it said the sons of god Saw the daughters of men.... hmmmmm.. WHY, was the author of Genesis chapter 6 misleading the readers?Sex sells.
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Post by rational on Jan 30, 2018 1:37:46 GMT -5
This is an interesting and thought provoking conversation. I appreciate the sarcasm.
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Post by Grant on Jan 30, 2018 2:32:43 GMT -5
No sarcasm at all. I'm interested to know more about these gaints who were there which were obviously not related to Adam and Eve.
Nathan did you see my posts 3rd and 4th posts above?
P.S. you haven't been able to show me or name any if these half human half animals except in myths.
Reading on Wikipedia one interpretation is that the Nephilim may be the mixed race of fallen angels and humans but I have not read any thing about sex with animals or half animal humans. Another is that the fallen angels part is a myth.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 30, 2018 2:43:24 GMT -5
nathan is quick to brag about all the people he has told and the amount of the F&W that have read his "research" as if he is doing some great thing, but all he is doing is making it worse. I still have a lot of family in the 2x2 church @wally so why wouldn't I be concerned ! hmmmmm.... that is a bunch of Baloney, RT.... you don't care about them, if you did you would have told them about my research that there has always been men and women who had the similar 2x2 apostolic workers ministry and New Testament fellowship prior to William Irvine and John Long in 1898-1901. nathan, how many Workers or friends believe your research ? How many Workers have told you that your research is correct nathan ! as for telling anyone about your "research" well once they knew you views on Jesus living on Venus, that would be enough for anyone !
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Post by nathan on Jan 30, 2018 8:47:25 GMT -5
No sarcasm at all. I'm interested to know more about these gaints who were there which were obviously not related to Adam and Eve. Nathan did you see my posts 3rd and 4th posts above? P.S. you haven't been able to show me or name any if these half human half animals except in myths. Reading on Wikipedia one interpretation is that the Nephilim may be the mixed race of fallen angels and humans but I have not read any thing about sex with animals or half animal humans. Another is that the fallen angels part is a myth. In another post, I gave you a few names and a video lecture of Corey Goode, who met the Egyptian god of Horus in 2014 1) the Egyptian king the god of Horus... human body with the head of a hawk. These beings below are NOT MYTH but actually BEINGS with physical bodies.
2) Reptilians beings human body with the head of Dinosaur.
3) The Greys... human body with not a normal looking head
Tens god and goddess of Egyptians.... Ra, Osirus, Isis, and their son Horus, the king of Egypt.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2cMS2SuWm0
2) David Wilcock | Corey Goode saw Horus Egyptian god being/Hawk being in person 2014. listen the last half of the video.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGcsfa-GyZk
3) Here is Corey Goode interesting life history and backgrounds of the U.S. Secret Space program.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kk1J2XNoBU
4) In 1989 the U.S. NSA/Military cataloged 57 E.T. species have visited earth. Only 3 min. Video www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jssSCIShA0
5) There are over 100,000 different ET races in our Milky Way galaxy alone. There are over 2 Trillions galaxies in the Universe and they are still counting the galaxies.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYQeYF3zfts
~~ KGB book of MANY E.T races/beings from other planets/galaxies visit earth planets for millions years
exopolitics.blogs.com/files/russian.secret.alien.races.book.pdf
~~ Satan and fallen angels have mixing their angelical DNA with animals, insects, Dinosaur and humans genes for millions or billions of years... Garden of Eden was NOT the first time Satan has SEX with Eve= to produce demigods Cain and his children of Satan... In the days of Enoch the fallen angels did it again....
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Post by Grant on Jan 30, 2018 9:04:33 GMT -5
Those Gods were not real but just images created in human minds for worship, not real beings. The utube videos are made up and again not real beings. None of these are real or genuine.
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Post by nathan on Jan 30, 2018 10:01:25 GMT -5
Those Gods were not real but just images created in human minds for worship, not real beings. The utube videos are made up and again not real beings. None of these are real or genuine. *** You asked the questions and I gave you the answers. Don't take my words for it, do some search yourself. There are lots of information available out there for you to find the answers to, Good luck. The Egyptians writings their history through pictures inside the pyramids. The picture of their king Horus, head of a hawk with a blue color human body is the pyramid. He is NOT a myth but an actual being/king that RULED Egpyt. These beings are Satan and the fallen angels offspings creation like Satan did in the Garden of Eden with Eve= Cain and his descendants. The fallen angels with the women from the earth= Nephlim/ giants and demigods. Many nation in the past history tried to preserve their nations history, cultures through drawing pictures on the walls, in caves or writings on clay tablets.
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Post by rational on Jan 30, 2018 12:07:37 GMT -5
No sarcasm at all. I'm interested to know more about these gaints who were there which were obviously not related to Adam and Eve. Perhaps you missed it...
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Post by snow on Jan 30, 2018 14:02:31 GMT -5
Except for the fact that the bible doesn't say that the serpent had sex with Eve or Adam and that Cain was born from the serpents seed. Adam said that he had received a man from the Lord when Cain was born. Is the serpent now entitle The Lord? It's right there in the bible Nathan. Genesis 4:1 *** all humans souls came from God. It was the RCC Bishops, cardinals that selected 66= the Bible. They left Many books out from the Bible and many pieces of the stories are missing. Whoever wrote the book of genesis 1-6 did not know the whole story, too many details were left out... There was no flow to it. Well then, the bible is not inerrant. It clearly says one thing and you say another. I can only go by what is written in the book that many Christians see as inerrant. Even reading it out of sequence in an order that mankind say makes it make more sense, is changing things. So that must mean that Christians are well aware that the way the bible is laid out doesn't make sense. Why else would they try to change the reading order? I agree with them btw, the reading order does help, but for me, the bible still doesn't make sense. It needs to be interpreted by people to make any sense at all. Clearly, not the work of an all knowing entity imo. However, the lack of sense and fluidity is expected when one nation tries to incorporate another cultures myths into their own and then add their beliefs. That makes sense why the bible makes no sense. To me anyway.
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Post by nathan on Jan 30, 2018 15:02:20 GMT -5
*** all humans souls came from God. It was the RCC Bishops, cardinals that selected 66= the Bible. They left Many books out from the Bible and many pieces of the stories are missing. Whoever wrote the book of genesis 1-6 did not know the whole story, too many details were left out... There was no flow to it. Well then, the bible is not inerrant. It clearly says one thing and you say another. I can only go by what is written in the book that many Christians see as inerrant. Even reading it out of sequence in an order that mankind say makes it make more sense, is changing things. So that must mean that Christians are well aware that the way the bible is laid out doesn't make sense. Why else would they try to change the reading order? I agree with them btw, the reading order does help, but for me, the bible still doesn't make sense. And, it's not very moral. *** let me put it this way, whoever wrote the book of Genesis didn't really Know what they are writing about, many important details were left out so the story of the 5 chapTera of Genesis made people scratching their in confusion. 1) Like the 7 days creations and young earth story. 2) the story of talking Serpent deceived Eve and Adam to lose their Salvation in the Garden of Eden. 3) God told Adam and Eve to fill the earth with their children then out of the blue decided to wipe all of them from the face of the earth! Accordi g to the book of Genesis God was going CRAZRY! *** with the book of Enoch we see a totally different picture of thing why God had to flood the earth because of fallen angels children= Nephilim taken over the planet.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 30, 2018 15:05:44 GMT -5
The Phillestine Giants are the ones read about and battled against by Children of Israel. They weren't Nephilims but normal humans with large frames. Actually the Phillestine stories are more about spiritual and fleshly battles. The Phillestines represent human flesh and it's lusts that have outgrown the decency that should be found in humans. Just like the cluster of grapes that the Children of Israel spies carried back to Joshua. It took several men to carry it on a pole.I have to think that either because of wandering in the wilderness for forty years of the C o Israel were not stunted in growth in they carried the whole vine of grapes on their pole. Maybe both. Sometimes in rightly dividing the Word of God, we have to kind of use common horse sense and realize some of the OT stories have been told with a bias or at least a spiritual bias to them. You need to google about HOW many giants/Nephilim races living in the promised lands....
There are 7 races of Nephilim giants living in the promised land after Noah world Wide flood .
SEVEN GIANTS IN THE LAND Also, God didn't say we have to fight these battles alone. When Moses told the children of Israel about the Promised Land, he said that God would "cast out" their enemies:
"When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgash-es and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you . . . " Deuteronomy 7:1 (Emphasis mine) So let's examine four more enemies that the Israelites had to confront in order to enter into God's promises: the Jebusites, the Girgash-es, the Canaanites, and Hittites. (Next week in Part 2 we'll take a look at three more strongholds -- the Perizzites, the Amorites, and the Hivites.)
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Gen 6:4 4 ¶ There were giants (nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. In the original text is the word nephilim, which comes from the word naphal, which means to fall. The giants were descendants of fallen angels and the daughters of men. Before the Flood, the sons of God (fallen angels) had the sexual relationship with the daughters of men, who bore children to them. Text says that also after that were giants in the earth, that means that fallen angels had the sexual relationship with the daughters of men also after the Flood. From verse 4 we can see that also after the Flood the sons of God (fallen angels) had been sexual intercourse with the daughters of men, who bore children to them and like this, there were giants in the earth after the Flood. Num 13:33 And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim; and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.' (JPS 1917) Num 13:33 proves that also after the Flood fallen angels had been sexual intercourse with the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Num 13:33 says that the Israelites saw the giants in the land of Canaan, the sons of Anak, who descended from the giants (fallen angels).
Jewish Publication Society Bible (JPS 1917) is the Bible translated from Hebrew into English by Jewish rabbis. JPS 1917 Num 13:33 translates according to the original text: we saw the giants (nephilim), the sons of Anak, who come of (descendants) the giants (nephilim). The fallen angels impregnated satanic seed to the daughters of men, and as the consequence of this their descendants (the giants) made filthy and satanic sins. For this reason God decided to destroy the satanic seed from the earth, and the Flood drowned all people, except Noah's family. The original text of the Bible proves clearly that fallen angels had been sexual intercourse with the daughters of men after the Flood. Therefore, Gen 6:4 said after that (the Flood) the sons of God (fallen angels) had the sexual relationship with the daughters of men, because after the Flood in the earth had lived the giants as the Bible also proves this. You can ask that how it is possible, that after the Flood can be the giants, for in the Ark were only Noah and his family no other people. The fallen angels are evil spirits, which after the Flood impregnated again the daughters of men. The fallen angels are not limited and bound by the borders of the human body, because they are evil spirits and the fallen angels didn't die in the Flood, but they continued deceiving the men by sins after the Flood. Because the Bible speaks that after the Flood, were giants and their descendants in the earth, it means that the fallen angels impregnated again the daughters of men. Their descendants became giant nations, in which the Old Testament tells. Before the Flood, the fallen angels and the daughters of men had been the sexual relationship with each other, and for this reason evil of sin got terrible proportions in the earth. According to the Bible, God commanded to destroy the nations, who were after the flood descended from fallen angels and the nations which had adopted their habits. Evil spirits (fallen angels) had the sexual relationship with the daughters of men, and their descendants were under evil sins like burning their children in the fire as offerings to the idols. They lived violently, make contact with evil spirits, practiced unnatural sexual activities (homosexuality, bestiality).
The angels in the heaven don't marry
Matt 22:30 for in the resurrection of the dead, they do not take wives, nor are wives given to husbands; but they are as the angels of god in heaven.
Some people teach that the angels don't marry and therefore, the fallen angels couldn't have the sexual relationship with the daughters of men and took them as wives. They based on their doctrine on Matthew 22:30. When we research this whole subject in the light of the Bible's teaching, so we can see that the Bible teaches that the fallen angels impregnated the daughters of men and they got descendants (the giants).
Matthew 22:30 says, that the angels in the heaven don't marry. The angels in the heaven are obedient and loyal to God, and they don't marry, but the fallen angels had impregnated the daughters of men as the Bible says to us in Genesis 6:4.
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Two things. One- when it says the people were greater and mightier then the CofI, doesn't necessarily mean they are "Giants" in body but that as a group of people they are more and mightier or stronger then the CofI. Secondly,. As the Holy Spirit didn't have human sex with Mary to incarnate Jesus in her womb, why is it necessary to think the angels had to have human sex with women? I get a bit alarmed at how easy you throw out that people are having sex in the Bible. Sex sells, and that's what people who write their opinions and ideas about anything including the Bible use in order to push their ideas over on gullible people like yourself.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 30, 2018 15:16:03 GMT -5
And How many times did I tell you, the RCC left the book of Enoch OUT of the Bible! The book of Enoch was used as scriptures for thousands of years.... even the apostle Jude used part of the book of Enoch as scriptures in his epistle of Jude. The word Nephilim/giants is used in the NIV version... but in the book of Genesis it doesn't explain Who they were! It didn't say it was 200 fallen angels had SEX with the women of this earth... In Genesis 6:2 it said the sons of god Saw the daughters of men.... hmmmmm.. WHY, was the author of Genesis chapter 6 misleading the readers? Sex sells. The bad part is Nathan hadn't learned how to use it. He does overkill with it.
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Post by snow on Jan 30, 2018 16:01:36 GMT -5
Well then, the bible is not inerrant. It clearly says one thing and you say another. I can only go by what is written in the book that many Christians see as inerrant. Even reading it out of sequence in an order that mankind say makes it make more sense, is changing things. So that must mean that Christians are well aware that the way the bible is laid out doesn't make sense. Why else would they try to change the reading order? I agree with them btw, the reading order does help, but for me, the bible still doesn't make sense. And, it's not very moral. *** let me put it this way, whoever wrote the book of Genesis didn't really Know what they are writing about, many important details were left out so the story of the 5 chapTera of Genesis made people scratching their in confusion. 1) Like the 7 days creations and young earth story. 2) the story of talking Serpent deceived Eve and Adam to lose their Salvation in the Garden of Eden. 3) God told Adam and Eve to fill the earth with their children then out of the blue decided to wipe all of them from the face of the earth! Accordi g to the book of Genesis God was going CRAZRY! *** with the book of Enoch we see a totally different picture of thing why God had to flood the earth because of fallen angels children= Nephilim taken over the planet. Okay.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 30, 2018 17:40:32 GMT -5
Well then, the bible is not inerrant. It clearly says one thing and you say another. I can only go by what is written in the book that many Christians see as inerrant. Even reading it out of sequence in an order that mankind say makes it make more sense, is changing things. So that must mean that Christians are well aware that the way the bible is laid out doesn't make sense. Why else would they try to change the reading order? I agree with them btw, the reading order does help, but for me, the bible still doesn't make sense. And, it's not very moral. *** let me put it this way, whoever wrote the book of Genesis didn't really Know what they are writing about, many important details were left out so the story of the 5 chapTera of Genesis made people scratching their in confusion. 1) Like the 7 days creations and young earth story. 2) the story of talking Serpent deceived Eve and Adam to lose their Salvation in the Garden of Eden. 3) God told Adam and Eve to fill the earth with their children then out of the blue decided to wipe all of them from the face of the earth! Accordi g to the book of Genesis God was going CRAZRY! *** with the book of Enoch we see a totally different picture of thing why God had to flood the earth because of fallen angels children= Nephilim taken over the planet. So now according to nathan: " whoever wrote the book of Genesis didn't really Know what they are writing about, many important details were left out so the story of the 5 chapTera of Genesis made people scratching their in confusion." The Workers don't know what they are talking about (they really believe in the trinity, but don't know it ) But of course nathan and youtube know what is right !
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 30, 2018 17:47:00 GMT -5
*** let me put it this way, whoever wrote the book of Genesis didn't really Know what they are writing about, many important details were left out so the story of the 5 chapTera of Genesis made people scratching their in confusion. 1) Like the 7 days creations and young earth story. 2) the story of talking Serpent deceived Eve and Adam to lose their Salvation in the Garden of Eden. 3) God told Adam and Eve to fill the earth with their children then out of the blue decided to wipe all of them from the face of the earth! Accordi g to the book of Genesis God was going CRAZRY! *** with the book of Enoch we see a totally different picture of thing why God had to flood the earth because of fallen angels children= Nephilim taken over the planet. Okay. It says the people were marrying and giving in marriage. And rising up to play. Jesus warned that his return the conditions will be the same. Otherwise, humans seeing to pleasure and not paying heed to the weightier matters.
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Post by Christopher J. on Feb 3, 2018 20:40:18 GMT -5
This John Wetger fellow... The letters in his name can be rearranged to say "Hog rent Jew", which must be what Jesus was talking about with the casting pearls parable. So I really wonder if anyone can verify if he's not the "swine" in the parable. Because pigs (I've heard) can't look up. Into heaven. Point is, is John Wetger a real person at all, or is there something a little deeper....? hahaha... John Wegter is REAL but he has changed his name and he reads and posts on TMB once in awhile. Many readers on TMB have met him when he was a worker for 30 yrs in many states. Well likeable guy by many friends and workers.
John Wegter knows Gene... and Gene knows him very well....
Had to pinch myself just now to check, but yeah, I do seem to be a real live person. Haven't been John Wegter for several years now though. Thanks for the chuckle.
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