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Post by sharingtheriches on Apr 14, 2017 17:51:00 GMT -5
Thats an assumption. Our local and limited conscious experiences could be part of a greater whole. Why do most of us feel like relationships are vital to our identity and well being? Probably because coexisting with others was something that helped our survival. It wasn't necessarily the survival of the fittest but more an ability to live in a harmonious cooperative manner with others helping to protect and provide for each other. Humans needed each other for protection against animals that were far stronger and faster. Groups helped them survive. Our brains are hard wired in different ways just like other species have many instinctual patterns that help them in their survival. Reminded me of my little Maltese. He would get ready for bed early evenings and I wanted to be on internet or writing music. He'd get a little huffy with me. But he had the whole couch with soft blankets and pillows, so I thought he could lay there and sleep but he would lay there on one end a while with his eyes closed, then he'd get up with a big sigh and go to the other end and flop down with another sigh. I finally put pillows on the floor by me at the computer thinking that would suit. Nope, didn't. But after I'd get ready for bed, he'd stay right with me until I got to the bed. He'd looked at me so pitiful as to say well finally! I put him on the bed he'd go to the other side and lay down on his big towel. I lay down he'd turn his back to me. I wasn't quite sure, I'd wondered if he did that because he was still upset at me, but then I remembered dogs will usually lay back to back. Protecting each other's backs. ;0
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 15, 2017 1:08:27 GMT -5
Probably because coexisting with others was something that helped our survival. It wasn't necessarily the survival of the fittest but more an ability to live in a harmonious cooperative manner with others helping to protect and provide for each other. Humans needed each other for protection against animals that were far stronger and faster. Groups helped them survive. Our brains are hard wired in different ways just like other species have many instinctual patterns that help them in their survival. Reminded me of my little Maltese. He would get ready for bed early evenings and I wanted to be on internet or writing music. He'd get a little huffy with me. But he had the whole couch with sift blankets and pillows, so I thought he could lay there and sleep but he would lay there on one end a while with his eyes closed, then he'd get up with a big sigh and go to the other end and flop down with another sigh. I finally put a pillows on the floor by me at the computer thinking that would suit. Nope, didn't. But after I'd get ready for bed, he'd stay right with me until I got to the bed. He'd looked at me so pitiful as to say we'll finally! I put him on the bed he'd go to the other side and lay down on his big towel. I lay down he'd turn his back to me. I wasn't quite sure, I'd wondered if he did that because he was still upset at me, but then I remembered digs will usually lay back to back. Protecting each other's backs. ;0 That is interesting! Never heard that before. My experiences are more with cats.
My present cat tells me when it is bedtime!
She gets upset if I don't take the hint that she wants to go to bed. I don't know why, most of the time she sleeps all day anyway!
But anyway, -if I don't understand what she wants, she gets disgusted with me and nips at my heels! What I think that she really wants is to hide under the bed and dart out to play with my feet!
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Post by Lee on Apr 15, 2017 10:01:00 GMT -5
Thats an assumption. Our local and limited conscious experiences could be part of a greater whole. Why do most of us feel like relationships are vital to our identity and well being? Probably because coexisting with others was something that helped our survival. It wasn't necessarily the survival of the fittest but more an ability to live in a harmonious cooperative manner with others helping to protect and provide for each other. Humans needed each other for protection against animals that were far stronger and faster. Groups helped them survive. Our brains are hard wired in different ways just like other species have many instinctual patterns that help them in their survival. In that case social behavior is incidental and secondary to our existence. I think meaningful psychology begins with a premise that social behavior is fundamental to who we are.
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2017 12:54:00 GMT -5
Probably because coexisting with others was something that helped our survival. It wasn't necessarily the survival of the fittest but more an ability to live in a harmonious cooperative manner with others helping to protect and provide for each other. Humans needed each other for protection against animals that were far stronger and faster. Groups helped them survive. Our brains are hard wired in different ways just like other species have many instinctual patterns that help them in their survival. Reminded me of my little Maltese. He would get ready for bed early evenings and I wanted to be on internet or writing music. He'd get a little huffy with me. But he had the whole couch with sift blankets and pillows, so I thought he could lay there and sleep but he would lay there on one end a while with his eyes closed, then he'd get up with a big sigh and go to the other end and flop down with another sigh. I finally put a pillows on the floor by me at the computer thinking that would suit. Nope, didn't. But after I'd get ready for bed, he'd stay right with me until I got to the bed. He'd looked at me so pitiful as to say we'll finally! I put him on the bed he'd go to the other side and lay down on his big towel. I lay down he'd turn his back to me. I wasn't quite sure, I'd wondered if he did that because he was still upset at me, but then I remembered digs will usually lay back to back. Protecting each other's backs. ;0 Our dog does that with my husband. The cat does it with me. If we want to stay up later than they are used to we end up with the two of them sitting there staring at us until we finally go to bed. They certainly are creatures of habit and aren't at all pleased with us when we don't do what they think we should.
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2017 13:03:25 GMT -5
Probably because coexisting with others was something that helped our survival. It wasn't necessarily the survival of the fittest but more an ability to live in a harmonious cooperative manner with others helping to protect and provide for each other. Humans needed each other for protection against animals that were far stronger and faster. Groups helped them survive. Our brains are hard wired in different ways just like other species have many instinctual patterns that help them in their survival. In that case social behavior is incidental and secondary to our existence. I think meaningful psychology begins with a premise that social behavior is fundamental to who we are. Survival seems like it would be pretty fundamental to what we are. However there are levels of concerns based on our life circumstances. Survival is the first level. Maslow's heirachy table of his Theory of Motivation chart is interesting. www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140620073613-319302584-physical-psychological-needs-of-humans
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Post by Lee on Apr 15, 2017 13:12:18 GMT -5
Uh-huh. Is survival not associated with expediency? If were after truth, can we be subject to necessity simultaneously?
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2017 13:17:03 GMT -5
Uh-huh. Is survival not associated with expediency? If were after truth, can we be subject to necessity simultaneously? Survival is the most important. We don't survive the rest isn't a priority! I suppose we do what is necessary to survive. But all that is at a physical level until we are sure we will survive physically. Then we are able to go up to the next level and concentrate on that. Bottom line we need to survive and do whatever that takes I guess.
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Post by Lee on Apr 15, 2017 13:19:48 GMT -5
That gets old. I think many people rebel against the rigors of life at some stage of their lives. Everyone wants to be something more.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 15, 2017 13:48:29 GMT -5
Uh-huh. Is survival not associated with expediency? about If were after truth, can we be subject to necessity simultaneously? I don' think that seeking "truth" is our foremost goal.
We need a lot of other things, -physical & mentally, -before we are in a position of comfort where we can even begin to think about higher things like "truth."
Perhaps that is the reason that religion seems to be so important to many people.
It helps them get to that position of "comfort" faster.
Maybe it kind of goes like this:
"Now that I don't have to worry about survival because I have what I need and there is a "higher power" looking after everything else including my needs, - I can just drop being concerned about that anymore.
I can go to seeking knowledge about other things." (like "truth")
I am thinking out loud here..
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Post by Lee on Apr 15, 2017 14:10:57 GMT -5
Speak for yourself.
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2017 14:23:29 GMT -5
That gets old. I think many people rebel against the rigors of life at some stage of their lives. Everyone wants to be something more. I would agree that most people want to rebel at some stage in their lives to have something more. However, survival comes first and foremost. An example is running from a pack of wolves. You're only thought is how to survive the immediate danger not getting more in life. When people's lives are a series of one crisis after another just to survive they may wish things were better but I don't think they have the time or energy to enact that change for the better. I often think this is why there is so little thought about compassion etc in war torn countries where the fighting has gone on for decades. You would be in survival mode and children wouldn't know anything different. That has to have some major impact on how they think, don't you think Lee?
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Post by Lee on Apr 15, 2017 14:48:32 GMT -5
Yup. I still think some art is better than no art. Art..taking the word broadly to mean good religion or anything that inspires and improves us.
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Post by snow on Apr 15, 2017 14:52:32 GMT -5
Yup. I still think some art is better than no art. Art..taking the word broadly to mean good religion or anything that inspires and improves us. Sure I agree with you that anything that inspires or improves us is better than not having it. I'm just saying that some people don't have the luxury of slowing down from their attempts at physically surviving long enough to see art or other things that inspire and improve. Religion probably does help to inspire at the root because if the one getting chased by that pack of wolves believes he will be protected or even saved by a personal caring God then he draws some comfort from that instead of just terror of being eaten.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 15, 2017 18:55:27 GMT -5
I did "speak for myself," Lee
What do you think?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 15, 2017 19:03:50 GMT -5
Yup. I still think some art is better than no art. Art..taking the word broadly to mean good religion or anything that inspires and improves us. What do you consider to be a good religion, Lee?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Apr 16, 2017 11:10:28 GMT -5
Back to knowledge that Jesus went willing to the cross. John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. John 15:13-14 Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
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Post by Lee on Apr 16, 2017 11:18:37 GMT -5
Yup. I still think some art is better than no art. Art..taking the word broadly to mean good religion or anything that inspires and improves us. What do you consider to be a good religion, Lee? Anything that inspires and improves us.
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Post by snow on Apr 16, 2017 14:08:29 GMT -5
What do you consider to be a good religion, Lee? Anything that inspires and improves us. If that's all that religion did for us I might be more inclined to see value in it. But too often it has a lot of negative attributes that divide and at their extremes, kill the infidel that doesn't believe what they believe.
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Post by Lee on Apr 16, 2017 14:25:54 GMT -5
What if the infidel is opposing our efforts to maintain and improve? Are there infidels in humanitarianism? Are there bad people? Maybe thats just the Romans problem. Lock em up. Throw away the key seems to be their answer. Theres more money in incarcerating people than in redeeming them. Strange world we live in. I hope its temporary and provisional.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2017 15:12:49 GMT -5
What do you consider to be a good religion, Lee? Anything that inspires and improves us. Lee, I think that you are trying to re-define the word "religion"
There are a lot of ideas that can " inspire and help us to improve ourselves," but the word "religion" has a more restricted meaning than "just anything."
1: the belief in a god or in a group of gods
2: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2017 15:18:42 GMT -5
What if the infidel is opposing our efforts to maintain and improve? Are there infidels in humanitarianism? Are there bad people? Maybe thats just the Romans problem. Lock em up. Throw away the key seems to be their answer. Theres more money in incarcerating people than in redeeming them. Strange world we live in. I hope its temporary and provisional. Infidel (literally "unfaithful") is a pejorative term used in certain religions for those who do not believe the central tenets of one's own religion, are members of another religion, or are not religious.
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Post by Lee on Apr 16, 2017 15:25:32 GMT -5
Does that apply to secular religions? Like if youre a Democrat, are repulicans the infidels? We all have our favorites, less favorites, and the ones to be opposed.
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Post by Lee on Apr 16, 2017 15:27:07 GMT -5
Anything that inspires and improves us. Lee, I think that you are trying to re-define the word "religion"
There are a lot of ideas that can " inspire and help us to improve ourselves," but the word "religion" has a more restricted meaning than "just anything."
1: the belief in a god or in a group of gods
2: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods
Whats your point? What definition do you wake up to each morning? All of them? One of them? None of them?
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Post by Lee on Apr 16, 2017 15:36:20 GMT -5
On delusions...I had a hypoglycemic event in a class session several months ago. Last thing I remember I laid head on the desk because I was having a hard time following the instruction. My friend said I stood up straight and shouted "batman!" I was wearing a batman cap so it must have been on my impaired mind. Its funny to think of and my friend amnd I still laugh at it. I dont remember anything until I was revived in an ambulance. They said I resisted them.
Im off that nasty sh- I use to take for hyperglcemia. I think it was designed while diabetics were not supposed to eat carbohydrates. The latest insulin Im on now drops my blood glucose surgically. Its much easier to use.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2017 15:53:11 GMT -5
Lee, I think that you are trying to re-define the word "religion"
There are a lot of ideas that can " inspire and help us to improve ourselves," but the word "religion" has a more restricted meaning than "just anything."
1: the belief in a god or in a group of gods
2: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods
Whats your point? What definition do you wake up to each morning? All of them? One of them? None of them? The point is that religion has a different meaning than just "anything" that happens to inspire and (hopefully) improves us.
What definition do you, LEE, "wake up to each morning?"
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Post by Lee on Apr 16, 2017 16:01:27 GMT -5
Anything I define it to be. Why shoud I let someone define my religion? Of course Im not an island. I understand my very own imagination stands on the shoulders of others, and my peculiar mix (or mess) of DNA.
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2017 17:06:12 GMT -5
What if the infidel is opposing our efforts to maintain and improve? Are there infidels in humanitarianism? Are there bad people? Maybe thats just the Romans problem. Lock em up. Throw away the key seems to be their answer. Theres more money in incarcerating people than in redeeming them. Strange world we live in. I hope its temporary and provisional. I do see what you mean. I don't believe humanitarians deal with those who oppose their efforts to maintain and improve by threatening them with death. I think that incarceration is an option and sometimes the only option but I also believe that there should be a higher emphasis put on rehabilitation while they are incarcerated. We don't do enough imo to help those who have addictions that lead to crimes. Or mental illness for that matter. It's a one size fits all prison system. I think a lot more could be done to lower the risk of re-offending. In the states there is a different prison system than in Canada from what I understand. It's more of a money maker in the States from what I've heard.
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Post by Gene on Apr 17, 2017 18:28:33 GMT -5
On delusions...I had a hypoglycemic event in a class session several months ago. Last thing I remember I laid head on the desk because I was having a hard time following the instruction. My friend said I stood up straight and shouted "batman!" I was wearing a batman cap so it must have been on my impaired mind. Its funny to think of and my friend amnd I still laugh at it. I dont remember anything until I was revived in an ambulance. They said I resisted them. Im off that nasty sh- I use to take for hyperglcemia. I think it was designed while diabetics were not supposed to eat carbohydrates. The latest insulin Im on now drops my blood glucose surgically. Its much easier to use. Glad to hear you found a med that's working better for you, Lee.
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