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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 27, 2016 13:43:02 GMT -5
Still no answer @wally ? Come on, if your church is so right why the difference ? Or are American Christians totally different to Christians ? i'm going with American 2x2ism until someone can prove to me they are the wrong way... Eastern USA version or western USA version or by American did you mean the version in Mexico or Peru?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 14:31:12 GMT -5
i'm going with American 2x2ism until someone can prove to me they are the wrong way... Eastern USA version or western USA version or by American did you mean the version in Mexico or Peru? there is enough of a consensus with both eastern and western versions that I am satisfied with the way it is for both...having a few issues with ones church is not a deal breaker not everyone cuts and runs at the first sign of a disagreement...
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Post by magpie on Feb 27, 2016 17:48:49 GMT -5
Wally, A Christlike incorporated body, One that has known continual reg'd Inc names in some areas as far back as 1940 (nameless) One that sells property in one of those names to developer for a fortune (no property) one that spouts the heresy of judgemental exclusivism (all outsiders are going to a lost eternity) one that denies the omnipotent triune of the God head.(workers replace the Holy Spirit as judge and have power to ostracise) one that demands unatural unbiblical celibacy to qualify for ministry(when most of the Apostles were married,1 Cor,9,v,5/6) one that judges as many sects and cults by visual appearences one that ignores Epistles teachings on welfare and justice. one that ignores that Preacher only ministry is not biblical it is incomplete. one that will spend your donations on covering up serious CRIMINAL CSA cases by hiring expensive legal brains,and/or send the criminal offender o/seas or interstate. one that will discredit the victim by gossip,intimadation,fear,or even line of least resistance ostracise either by these methods or directly if they speak top much. one that hid it foundation for decades ignoring William Irvine. one that will remove people from the Lords Table,it is Gods and communion is totally between God and the partaker. one that names themselves with a pseudo called Truth. Good luck with this Wally...I fellowship outside the ignorst sects little box.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 27, 2016 21:13:09 GMT -5
Still no answer @wally ? Come on, if your church is so right why the difference ? Or are American Christians totally different to Christians ? i'm going with American 2x2ism until someone can prove to me they are the wrong way... @wally are you actually admitting that there is "American 2x2ism" ? If so, are you saying all other 2x2ism is wrong ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 27, 2016 21:18:34 GMT -5
Eastern USA version or western USA version or by American did you mean the version in Mexico or Peru? there is enough of a consensus with both eastern and western versions that I am satisfied with the way it is for both...having a few issues with ones church is not a deal breaker not everyone cuts and runs at the first sign of a disagreement... So not being able to take part if your husband/wife divorces you, is nothing major @wally ? Not sure where you get the idea that people "cut and run at the first sign of disagreement".... It seems this "American 2x2ism" is something that the American friends have created, because the workers don't seem to agree with them ! But of course it is still the only "right way" !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 21:38:39 GMT -5
i'm going with American 2x2ism until someone can prove to me they are the wrong way... @wally are you actually admitting that there is "American 2x2ism" ? If so, are you saying all other 2x2ism is wrong ? well if OZ and Vietnam is any indication as to where its going(if the things you say are actually true)then yes American 2x2ism is doing better than OZ 2x2ism
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 21:44:48 GMT -5
there is enough of a consensus with both eastern and western versions that I am satisfied with the way it is for both...having a few issues with ones church is not a deal breaker not everyone cuts and runs at the first sign of a disagreement... So not being able to take part if your husband/wife divorces you, is nothing major @wally ? Not sure where you get the idea that people "cut and run at the first sign of disagreement".... It seems this "American 2x2ism" is something that the American friends have created, because the workers don't seem to agree with them ! But of course it is still the only "right way" ! that hasn't happened here in my neck o the woods so I don't know if its major or not nor do I know what is happening down under...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 27, 2016 22:08:46 GMT -5
@wally are you actually admitting that there is "American 2x2ism" ? If so, are you saying all other 2x2ism is wrong ? well if OZ and Vietnam is any indication as to where its going(if the things you say are actually true)then yes American 2x2ism is doing better than OZ 2x2ism Can you explain the "OZ and Vietnam" comment please. What in your view is going wrong there?
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 27, 2016 23:18:49 GMT -5
So not being able to take part if your husband/wife divorces you, is nothing major @wally ? Not sure where you get the idea that people "cut and run at the first sign of disagreement".... It seems this "American 2x2ism" is something that the American friends have created, because the workers don't seem to agree with them ! But of course it is still the only "right way" ! that hasn't happened here in my neck o the woods so I don't know if its major or not nor do I know what is happening down under... So do you mean that if a person is divorced they can still take part ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 0:19:43 GMT -5
that hasn't happened here in my neck o the woods so I don't know if its major or not nor do I know what is happening down under... So do you mean that if a person is divorced they can still take part ? yes we just had a elder get divorced and they still both took part after the divorce....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 28, 2016 0:23:57 GMT -5
Wow Wally, that's really interesting, here in NZ they would both be stood down. Why the difference?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 0:24:10 GMT -5
well if OZ and Vietnam is any indication as to where its going(if the things you say are actually true)then yes American 2x2ism is doing better than OZ 2x2ism Can you explain the "OZ and Vietnam" comment please. What in your view is going wrong there? well we hear(if its the truth) from Roselyn and other aussies how bad the truth is in OZ the logical conclusion is something is wrong with the truth down under...
we hear(if its the truth) bad things are happening in Vietnam logical conclusion is something is wrong with the truth in Vietnam...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 0:29:09 GMT -5
Wow Wally, that's really interesting, here in NZ they would both be stood down. Why the difference? don't know maybe a wrong interpretation of a biblical verse?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 28, 2016 0:33:45 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, not sure what you mean about OZ problems. Being an outlier island of New Zealand, somewhere out west of us it has always been a bit of a problem in many respects. Probably because it was used as a penal colony by mother England who sent all their riff raff there. The Aborigines have had no end of problems with them stealing all sorts of stuff, even the land which one would have thought would have been a bit difficult to steal, but that's the English for you. Regarding Vietnam I understand the problem is caused by interference by workers from Canada and the USA who being white know what is right. And of course Asians do not know anything about these heavenly matters because they were born in the wrong country with the wrong colour skin and worst of all, they do not speak English.
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Post by withlove on Feb 28, 2016 0:56:05 GMT -5
yes we just had a elder get divorced and they still both took part after the divorce.... In 1990s Oregon and Washington State, the friends are allowed to divorce when involved with marital unfaithfulness, with AIDS, sexual abused, alcoholic abused, threaten with bodily harms by their husbands... Both free are to take parts as long as they are staying single/unmarried...
Does someone have to prove there is abuse, or AIDS, or alcoholism or unfaithfulness? Does the accused have to confess and repent?
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 28, 2016 1:26:46 GMT -5
Can you explain the "OZ and Vietnam" comment please. What in your view is going wrong there? well we hear(if its the truth) from Roselyn and other aussies how bad the truth is in OZ the logical conclusion is something is wrong with the truth down under...
we hear(if its the truth) bad things are happening in Vietnam logical conclusion is something is wrong with the truth in Vietnam...
@wally are you really so naïve that you think the "truth" is so much better in the US ? Wow next thing you will try & say is there are no cases of CSA in the US ! What happened in Alberta ? As curly said the problems in Vietnam were caused by US workers !
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 28, 2016 1:36:08 GMT -5
Also @wally, if most of the friends in the US have the same views as you do, I would say that American 2x2ism is something very different to the 2x2ism of the rest of the world.
Do the workers in the US preach about the right of the friends to own guns for self protection? Or is it something that has evolved from the American mentality of saying its their right to have guns ?
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Post by reallyandtruly on Feb 28, 2016 3:52:56 GMT -5
Wow Wally, that's really interesting, here in NZ they would both be stood down. Why the difference? Actually no...they wouldnt be stood down -only if they remarried.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 28, 2016 4:00:31 GMT -5
Actually yes, I know of two women who were stood down but not their ex partners.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 28, 2016 5:35:54 GMT -5
Actually yes, I know of two women who were stood down but not their ex partners. It seems to depend on the workers who are around at the time, some people in Australia are still stood down for marrying an "outsider".
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 28, 2016 5:39:10 GMT -5
Wow Wally, that's really interesting, here in NZ they would both be stood down. Why the difference? Actually no...they wouldnt be stood down -only if they remarried. Yes, how dare they want to re-marry and get on with their lives, even if their ex-partner was the one that divorced them, the minute they re-marry they have to be made an "example of" !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 12:17:02 GMT -5
well we hear(if its the truth) from Roselyn and other aussies how bad the truth is in OZ the logical conclusion is something is wrong with the truth down under...
we hear(if its the truth) bad things are happening in Vietnam logical conclusion is something is wrong with the truth in Vietnam...
@wally are you really so naïve that you think the "truth" is so much better in the US ? Wow next thing you will try & say is there are no cases of CSA in the US ! What happened in Alberta ? As curly said the problems in Vietnam were caused by US workers ! alberta is in Canada if you didn't know it can't speak for them...
well according to ross(an aussie) up to 30-40,000 have left the truth in OZ something is up in OZ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 12:21:08 GMT -5
Also @wally , if most of the friends in the US have the same views as you do, I would say that American 2x2ism is something very different to the 2x2ism of the rest of the world. Do the workers in the US preach about the right of the friends to own guns for self protection? Or is it something that has evolved from the American mentality of saying its their right to have guns ? have you travelled the world Roselyn? do you know that for a fact or are you dabbling in conjecture again?
we had a worker preach about firearms once it was an interesting tale...he basically said don't point a firearm at a police officer and expect them to do nothing...we had one of the friends kids do that and get killed...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 28, 2016 12:32:22 GMT -5
Also @wally , if most of the friends in the US have the same views as you do, I would say that American 2x2ism is something very different to the 2x2ism of the rest of the world. Do the workers in the US preach about the right of the friends to own guns for self protection? Or is it something that has evolved from the American mentality of saying its their right to have guns ? have you travelled the world Roselyn? do you know that for a fact or are you dabbling in conjecture again?
we had a worker preach about firearms once it was an interesting tale...he basically said don't point a firearm at a police officer and expect them to do nothing...we had one of the friends kids do that and get killed...
That would get him the Darwin award then, aye Wally. Do you know why he did it?
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Post by fixit on Feb 28, 2016 12:40:51 GMT -5
Actually yes, I know of two women who were stood down but not their ex partners. It seems to depend on the workers who are around at the time, some people in Australia are still stood down for marrying an "outsider". Yes, folks need to be asking David Leitch why he pushed Sam Robertson out of the fellowship in Tasmania a few months ago.
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Post by Grant on Feb 28, 2016 13:51:00 GMT -5
So who, how and when was that rule made that someone can divorce in cases where their is aids, alcoholism, abuse, threatening bodily harm and unfaithfulness, Nathan?
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Post by magpie on Feb 28, 2016 16:52:11 GMT -5
Wally ,,Several lists of charged criminal paedophile workers have been compiled over the years. "Guess what"" ,Look at the percentage per capita that are North American Continent names!!! AS horrid and sick as Hollywood porn,except the perpetraters claim to be God's representatives.. Sitting at conventions wondering if the "Many Mansions" means a heaven without the one or both of 2x criminal dirty cruel workers speaking of an only true way would hopefully finish up in a different Mansion,to me,actually in my mind as a teenager "hope they go to hell".Wonderfull way to be introduced to God,as so many others over so many decades,by criminal paedophile and homosexual/lesbian workers,of an unatural/unbiblical demanded life. I was the worst person around to mention this experience, it must be the worldly company I keep at school that put such filthy sugestions into my mind "TUT TUT",no it was idolised well mannered deceptive workers,like you seem to support Wally?.
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Post by reallyandtruly on Feb 28, 2016 19:59:43 GMT -5
Actually no...they wouldnt be stood down -only if they remarried. Yes, how dare they want to re-marry and get on with their lives, even if their ex-partner was the one that divorced them, the minute they re-marry they have to be made an "example of" ! I supose it depends if you see divorce and remarriage as scripturally wrong or not.If you dont of course you would see the whole thing as pathetic and unnecessary and leave for a church that thinks as you do. Your choice I guess. Your statement that 'even if their ex divorces them'. Do you know what goes on in anyone elses life? Do you know why someone divorces their partner and who is the wronged one. Anyone that thinks they can say who is in the wrong is a very brave person!!
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