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Post by magpie on Nov 30, 2015 17:54:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 18:02:18 GMT -5
this is old news why are we rehashing it?
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 30, 2015 18:03:42 GMT -5
Because they are not suppose to have a registered name @wally ! Just another of the many lies that get told !
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 30, 2015 18:09:12 GMT -5
"This vineyard was the workmanship of God. Salvation has always been the workmanship of God. Paul said, "Ye are His workmanship." One of the basic differences between the true and false religion in the Bible is: in the false religion, they are talking about what they are doing for the Lord. That is always the mark of false religion. The true worshippers were speaking about what God had done for them. In this chapter, you read of people for whom God had done great things. One of the reasons the church existed without an organization is because it is God's workmanship, and today it is still God's workmanship.
When we tell people we have a world-wide fellowship and yet no organization, no registered name, no officers, no earthly headquarters, and yet we are held together as one compact, loving family, people say, "That's impossible." Jesus agreed with this, "With men it is impossible, but with God, all things are possible." One of the reasons God planned an impossible fellowship is that men and women could see the hand of God in the picture. When you see this, there is no question that God is still living.
We often tell people that if we were an organization and had an earthly headquarters, we would have no proof to give to the world that there is a God or that God is with us. The proof of that statement is that the unions and the international business clubs function on that basis. If we had an organization and a registered name and a board of directors and an earthly headquarters, we would have no more proof than they have, that there is a God. "
Howard Mooney - The Perfect Way, Not An Organization - Great Falls Special Meeting - 1970
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 30, 2015 19:33:50 GMT -5
The Pandora's box of the 2x2s is the lid they struggle to keep on what lies under the platitudes.
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Post by magpie on Dec 1, 2015 6:51:14 GMT -5
Thanks digest this for a few days,then I will post the Bill Carrol letter in reference to original loaning of the three properties that made up the Dandenong convention grounds---around 1930',it mentions the three and their names Trustees "HE" elected. And the thing he made clear was they would be the Trustees of the "CHRISTIAN ASSEMBLIES of Australia". This in the worshiped Guru's letter.I prefer the real "TRUTH". He then sent out his blinded sheep to preach as of a "NAMELESS" mob.
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Post by magpie on Dec 1, 2015 18:40:22 GMT -5
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Post by magpie on Dec 2, 2015 16:17:38 GMT -5
Where is all the scoffers and skeptics? Is it convention season? Or are they with a witness (of 2) challenging the workers over the decades of this grand deception and lie?
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Post by emy on Dec 2, 2015 16:29:49 GMT -5
I'd guess most everyone here knows that the group has on occasion taken a name when one is required from the outside. It's not a uniform name worldwide and is given very little significance by people in the fellowship.
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Post by jondough on Dec 2, 2015 17:17:52 GMT -5
This will not shake the ship.
It only makes sense to register when needed, such as needing to obtain a visa to send a worker over seas. I know it was done for that reason in the past. Not sure if thats the reason for this one or not.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 2, 2015 20:43:50 GMT -5
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 2, 2015 20:45:41 GMT -5
About the Charity
Date Established
01/01/1929
Who the Charity Benefits
Other beneficiaries not listed
Size of Charity
Small: Revenue less than $250,000
Financial Year End
30/06
Basic Religious Charity
Yes
Date established is interesting !!
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 2, 2015 20:47:43 GMT -5
I'd guess most everyone here knows that the group has on occasion taken a name when one is required from the outside. It's not a uniform name worldwide and is given very little significance by people in the fellowship. emy didn't you read what Howard Mooney said ? "When we tell people we have a world-wide fellowship and yet no organization, no registered name, no officers, no earthly headquarters, and yet we are held together as one compact, loving family, people say, "That's impossible." Jesus agreed with this, "With men it is impossible, but with God, all things are possible." One of the reasons God planned an impossible fellowship is that men and women could see the hand of God in the picture. When you see this, there is no question that God is still living. We often tell people that if we were an organization and had an earthly headquarters, we would have no proof to give to the world that there is a God or that God is with us. The proof of that statement is that the unions and the international business clubs function on that basis. If we had an organization and a registered name and a board of directors and an earthly headquarters, we would have no more proof than they have, that there is a God. " Howard Mooney - The Perfect Way, Not An Organization - Great Falls Special Meeting - 1970 "
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Post by emy on Dec 2, 2015 21:05:22 GMT -5
Howard Mooney just passed away, by the way. Reallyi? thought he died several years ago - like in the late 90's? Are you thinking of Willis Propp?
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Post by emy on Dec 2, 2015 21:07:56 GMT -5
Roselyn, we have no worldwide registered name.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 2, 2015 21:13:58 GMT -5
Roselyn, we have no worldwide registered name. emy, the so called charity was established in 1929, the issue is not if there is a worldwide registered name, the issue is that the workers preach "we have no name" yet there are many different names !
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Post by jondough on Dec 2, 2015 21:29:32 GMT -5
Howard Mooney just passed away, by the way. Reallyi? thought he died several years ago - like in the late 90's? Are you thinking of Willis Propp? yes, my bad, removed post
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Post by magpie on Dec 3, 2015 0:01:58 GMT -5
Like paedophiles,"of course all 2x2 ministry are not". "But many are","Worldwide" .."Now back to the name,many prefectures,counties,provinces,states,countries are not perhaps,lying about being nameless?" But again an awful lot are (lying that is). In our States Victoria and Tasmania alone. I was born in the 1930,s and I knew very young we were the christian assemblies of victoria. Around 1949/50 a 1 ton, truck was donated to the convention grounds at Dandenong,it was only used for convention work (as of course welfare and social justice is not part of Christian Conventions protocol,although they claim to be of a charitable organisation,if you are poor and homeless forget this lot,they don't care. As one old worker said your taxes cover them)AND IT WAS LICENCED/REGISTERED IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIAN ASSEMBLIES OF VICTORIA for many years.Now!!! The sale of the said convention grounds was in the name of CHRISTIAN ASSEMBLIES OF AUSTRALIA,,,that got into the media. OH NO IT CAN'T BE US "WE HAVE NO NAME,THEY CRIED" and believed the workers evasions & waffle,so they believed them. Now was that a convenience or necessity? No a deception!!!! As the Estates of the three original families who loaned the properties,with a "TRUST" had the property stolen by Christian Assemblies of Australia, stolen "BY GOD'S TRUE SERVANTS". Where did the Money "GO". ASK WITH A WITNESS,OR YOU WILL GET SHAFTED. Now as you see above Christian Assemblies had to be stopped!!!! NOW IT IS THE CHRISTIAN CONVENTIONS OF VICTORIA>> "A CONFUSING HISTORY OF LIES AND DECIEPT .. When people mention one of the many past names they can "HONESTLY"!!!!!? say "NO WE ARE NOT THAT". MORE #$%^&*LIES?
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Post by magpie on Dec 3, 2015 0:10:02 GMT -5
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Post by Grant on Dec 3, 2015 1:07:12 GMT -5
Many people are shocked when they learn that they have a registered name. It has a name in every sense of the word but they only use it when they have to, not the other way round. A name when owning convention grounds is also against what they preach about owning property so they wouldn't need to use a name in cases like this if they practiced what they claimed and that is not owning property.
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Post by magpie on Dec 3, 2015 3:26:54 GMT -5
Enuf,Hmmm Royal Member? So you do believe that paying rates and taxes on land for many decades was just a by the way? Well it was by the Trustees of the Christian Assemblies of Victoria.The name and successive names have been continual without a stop since about 1930.www.tellingthetruth.info/workers_articles/dandenong.php. Hope this comes through for you or i will try again... Maggie
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Post by magpie on Dec 3, 2015 3:42:02 GMT -5
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Post by magpie on Dec 3, 2015 3:45:02 GMT -5
THAT'S BETTER. STUDY END OF PAGE 8 BEGINNING OF PAGE 9.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 4, 2015 21:06:28 GMT -5
Roselyn, we have no worldwide registered name. emy, instead you have a lot of different registered names worldwide !! Some people could look at that as being deceitful !
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Post by withlove on Dec 6, 2015 2:00:39 GMT -5
Like paedophiles,"of course all 2x2 ministry are not". "But many are","Worldwide" .."Now back to the name,many prefectures,counties,provinces,states,countries are not perhaps,lying about being nameless?" But again an awful lot are (lying that is). In our States Victoria and Tasmania alone. I was born in the 1930,s and I knew very young we were the christian assemblies of victoria. Around 1949/50 a 1 ton, truck was donated to the convention grounds at Dandenong,it was only used for convention work (as of course welfare and social justice is not part of Christian Conventions protocol,although they claim to be of a charitable organisation,if you are poor and homeless forget this lot,they don't care. As one old worker said your taxes cover them)AND IT WAS LICENCED/REGISTERED IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIAN ASSEMBLIES OF VICTORIA for many years.Now!!! The sale of the said convention grounds was in the name of CHRISTIAN ASSEMBLIES OF AUSTRALIA,,,that got into the media. OH NO IT CAN'T BE US "WE HAVE NO NAME,THEY CRIED" and believed the workers evasions & waffle,so they believed them. Now was that a convenience or necessity? No a deception!!!! As the Estates of the three original families who loaned the properties,with a "TRUST" had the property stolen by Christian Assemblies of Australia, stolen "BY GOD'S TRUE SERVANTS". Where did the Money "GO". ASK WITH A WITNESS,OR YOU WILL GET SHAFTED. Now as you see above Christian Assemblies had to be stopped!!!! NOW IT IS THE CHRISTIAN CONVENTIONS OF VICTORIA>> "A CONFUSING HISTORY OF LIES AND DECIEPT .. When people mention one of the many past names they can "HONESTLY"!!!!!? say "NO WE ARE NOT THAT". MORE #$%^&*LIES? Magpie, are you saying the name was changed to throw people off the scent? And multiple times?
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Post by withlove on Dec 6, 2015 2:04:34 GMT -5
Roselyn, we have no worldwide registered name. emy , instead you have a lot of different registered names worldwide !! Some people could look at that as being deceitful ! Roselyn, I never thought of that before. Yes, why wouldn't the name be the same? There should be no shame in associating with the rest of the church. It is supposed to be one flock. Why would each overseer purposely come up with his own name for it?
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 11, 2016 10:03:23 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 20, 2016 14:35:56 GMT -5
Interesting news I came across a year or two ago was the subterfuge they use to get into some Asian countries to preach the gospel. They go as English teachers but the reality is they are there to preach the gospel. Why the deception. Why break the laws of other countries?
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