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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 4, 2015 0:38:17 GMT -5
not believing the bible yet trying to say the basic message is true, its really incompatible from a faith based viewpoint... God/Jesus is not the Bible, the Bible was written how many years ago Wally ? How many times has it been translated ? Are you saying that if a person believes in God they must believe the Bible ? And I answered you !
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Post by emy on Aug 4, 2015 0:42:55 GMT -5
the Bible and it's contents will only become alive to those who posses the spirit of Christ, other wise it is a dead book, as simple as that The Bible is a book that was written by men, not God ! How many times have we heard what you just quoted Virgo ! The next question would be who are we as humans to say who possesses the Spirit Of God ? We don't know what the relationship is between a person and God. Seems like we shouldn't be so much concerned with who else has the Spirit of Christ, but seek for him to increase in us so the Bible becomes ever more alive to US as individuals.
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Post by emy on Aug 4, 2015 0:44:39 GMT -5
the Bible and it's contents will only become alive to those who posses the spirit of Christ, other wise it is a dead book, as simple as that The Bible is a book that was written by men, not God ! How many times have we heard what you just quoted Virgo ! The next question would be who are we as humans to say who possesses the Spirit Of God ? We don't know what the relationship is between a person and God. Seems like we shouldn't be so much concerned with who else has the Spirit of Christ, but seek for him to increase in us so the Bible becomes ever more alive to US as individuals.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 4, 2015 1:28:43 GMT -5
"In fact, there are many areas of the world today where Bibles are not available, yet people still can and do know about God. The issue is one of revelation—God’s revealing to man what He wants us to know and understand about Himself. While there has not always been a Bible, there have always been means for man to receive and understand God’s revelation. There are two categories of revelation, general and special." The Bible as we know it ? Or the Bible with all the books Wally ? www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/we were talking about you not some native in the jungles of borneo...
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 4, 2015 1:30:07 GMT -5
The Bible is a book that was written by men, not God ! How many times have we heard what you just quoted Virgo ! The next question would be who are we as humans to say who possesses the Spirit Of God ? We don't know what the relationship is between a person and God. Seems like we shouldn't be so much concerned with who else has the Spirit of Christ, but seek for him to increase in us so the Bible becomes ever more alive to US as individuals. Again Emy, which Bible ?
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Post by howitis on Aug 4, 2015 1:41:00 GMT -5
Funny isn't it when I brought up about the witch doctor having a 'revelation' about 2 people coming to him talking about God, you were quite cynical.......now what? All I can say we have to find our own 'truth', our own 'faith' our own belief.....if it ties in with that of others we have fellowship, if not I guess we live and die fairly lonely
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 4, 2015 4:34:02 GMT -5
Funny isn't it when I brought up about the witch doctor having a 'revelation' about 2 people coming to him talking about God, you were quite cynical.......now what? All I can say we have to find our own 'truth', our own 'faith' our own belief.....if it ties in with that of others we have fellowship, if not I guess we live and die fairly lonely The reason I was cynical was because how many times have we heard similar stories about how the workers will come, there is a big difference between someone saying two people will come talking about God and God speaking directly to a person IMO. Those of us who have sat in enough missions, convention & special meetings have heard the stories that justify the workers being the "True Servants"
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Post by howitis on Aug 4, 2015 4:50:20 GMT -5
My husband was brought up in the RCC yet he'll say when and where he clearly heard God speaking to him......but you see it's 'just another story'....I didn't hear the witchdoctor story at a mission, convention or special meetings, but over a cuppa in a house.....in my mind the workers don't tell those stories to justify themselves I am genuinely interested in others personal salvation, their stories and testimonials they are my brothers and sisters and for us to be united we need to know about them!
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 4, 2015 4:54:22 GMT -5
My husband was brought up in the RCC yet he'll say when and where he clearly heard God speaking to him......but you see it's 'just another story'....I didn't hear the witchdoctor story at a mission, convention or special meetings, but over a cuppa in a house.....in my mind the workers don't tell those stories to justify themselves I am genuinely interested in others personal salvation, their stories and testimonials they are my brothers and sisters and for us to be united we need to know about them! Do you believe the workers are "the only true servants" Howitis ?
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Post by howitis on Aug 4, 2015 5:11:44 GMT -5
I guess this is where my belief differs, I believe all those who truly follow Jesus teachings in turn become servants of God
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 4, 2015 5:23:39 GMT -5
I guess this is where my belief differs, I believe all those who truly follow Jesus teachings in turn become servants of God What do you see as "truly follow Jesus teachings" ? Is it possible for someone from a Uniting Church for example to follow Jesus teachings ?
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Post by howitis on Aug 4, 2015 6:21:07 GMT -5
I don't think God is about a particular denomination is He? 1stly, Jesus said I am the way.....no man cometh to the Father, but by me.... Then he gave 2 commandments they were about love The important thing to note is the Bible is written for the reader.....it says 'husbands love your wives...' obviously if you're not a husband that bit isn't for you, it says'wives submit yourself unto your husband', if you're not a wife it's not for you.....if husbands loved their wives they wouldn't be asking them to submit to something that is offensive to them and so on. So when we read it its about what I should be personally doing, not anyone else. Jesus said 'other sheep I have them also will I bring'.....they were already His sheep, yes I think there'll be a great 'coming together' and they won't all be 2x2's either he also said 'not all that say Lord, Lord...' Its all about finding your truth, not someone else's. I had an aquaintance at one time who practiced witchcraft, she was a nurse, but in her spare time she told fortunes, one night coming home she crashed her car and died often wondered if her fortune telling could have saved her life or didn't she believe her 'truth', was certainly a warning to me!!
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Post by rational on Aug 4, 2015 10:09:52 GMT -5
How did people know about God before the Bible? they had the OT for the most part...
they first were in direct contact then it changed with moses and the OT was born then it changed with Jesus and the NT was born then for our convenience the bible as we know it was put together in 300 something
Throughout this time period most people could not read the bible. So they had to rely on someone telling them? How would a person know if the person presenting the bible to them was accurate? We all know what kinds of problems arise from
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Post by snow on Aug 4, 2015 13:01:41 GMT -5
That didn't answer the question Wally ! yes God/the Holy Spirit can speak directly to you but you would not even know their names if it hadn't been for the bible. its never been in your testimonies here that suddenly out of the clear blue sky God/Holy Spirit spoke to you and introduced themselves to you and told you the bible was false so I am not buying it... Do the names matter though, as long as you have that spiritual connection with a higher power? Judaism felt that God's name couldn't even really be spoken didn't they?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 16:47:54 GMT -5
yes God/the Holy Spirit can speak directly to you but you would not even know their names if it hadn't been for the bible. its never been in your testimonies here that suddenly out of the clear blue sky God/Holy Spirit spoke to you and introduced themselves to you and told you the bible was false so I am not buying it... Do the names matter though, as long as you have that spiritual connection with a higher power? Judaism felt that God's name couldn't even really be spoken didn't they? regardless they still knew his name...
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Post by snow on Aug 4, 2015 17:10:12 GMT -5
Do the names matter though, as long as you have that spiritual connection with a higher power? Judaism felt that God's name couldn't even really be spoken didn't they? regardless they still knew his name... They knew all their Gods and Goddesses names. They were polytheist at one point. Yahweh was their God of War and that's who they chose to be their one and only. But before there was the written word there was a belief in a higher power. You don't need a book to connect to that higher power and you can't entirely trust a book written by men either. And, isn't that what you were talking about? What would you do, and how would you have a relationship with God if you don't believe the Bible is inerrant?
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Post by rational on Aug 4, 2015 17:47:58 GMT -5
regardless they still knew his name... They should - they gave their god the name.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 6, 2015 11:02:54 GMT -5
Funny isn't it when I brought up about the witch doctor having a 'revelation' about 2 people coming to him talking about God, you were quite cynical.......now what? All I can say we have to find our own 'truth', our own 'faith' our own belief.....if it ties in with that of others we have fellowship, if not I guess we live and die fairly lonely Didnt see the story of the witchdoctor. I do agree with you. I loved to go to a cafe with others who had a passion for christ. Usually my close circle of friends. We had this cheeky saying 'so whats your latest revelation' nudge each other and giggle. When we got serious about it we would often discover it was similar to the others but slightly different scriptures dreams or visions. God didnt stop speaking when christ died.
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Post by howitis on Aug 6, 2015 17:56:15 GMT -5
Its a great story and there are many, many more....I personally never grow tired of them, makes us more united:-)
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