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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 30, 2015 22:28:14 GMT -5
review005, I am beginning to have pity for you.
You seem so unhappy.
Like I said, you could just leave the work you know.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2015 22:31:45 GMT -5
I met a worker like you one time -- but I was told he's now dead. How many of you are there? How did you do it? I didn't do anything. The old guy just died of old age. Oh, lots of witnesses -- a whole nursing home full. I wasn't there, but I read his funeral notes.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 30, 2015 22:35:29 GMT -5
Jun 29, 2015 at 7:41pm Quote Edit like Post Options . Post by Roselyn T on Jun 29, 2015 at 7:41pm Bert Avatar Jun 29, 2015 at 6:14pm Bert said: Roselyn, you say you suffered 'domestic violence' in your 'professing upbringing.' I seriously doubt 'domestic violence' is the norm in my church. You are suggesting that in fact it IS the norm. That's the first problem. The second one is the definition of 'domestic violence', some feminists suggest this could even be a man yelling at a woman. Some here might think it's denying children the things most other children enjoy. Bert I suggest you re-read what I wrote: I said I had a "professing upbringing" where domestic violence was the norm. I did not say that domestic violence was the norm amongst the F&W ! Also just to clarify I am well aware of the definition of domestic violence. I seen first hand things that no child should see happen to their mother, so DO NOT dare tell me I don't know the definition of domestic violence. Bert I am still waiting for a reply to this. I believe I have answered both your so-called problems.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2015 22:41:16 GMT -5
Dennis , You have taken opportunity to show what is still inside and is still working away in you after all these years. I sincerely have nothing but pity and sadness that it is such. Are you not able to leave it and move on? So classic and true to form.You're confirming the worst people say about workers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 22:46:12 GMT -5
Roselyn, not sure what I am to reply to. You made a comment, not a question? But yes, lots here claim they were abused by their professing families. Lots here say their upbringing in the church was a form of abuse.
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Post by fixit on Jun 30, 2015 22:57:25 GMT -5
I hope you don't condone a man yelling at a woman.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2015 23:00:00 GMT -5
Dennis you sadly only reconfirm what I wrote with this last post of yours. I guess you'll just return with another rock to throw another insult to hurl from what has been working away for decades within you? I am sad it is like this, Please note folks: The empathy workers have for bruised exes.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2015 23:01:16 GMT -5
Dennis you sadly only reconfirm what I wrote with this last post of yours. I guess you'll just return with another rock to throw another insult to hurl from what has been working away for decades within you? I am sad it is like this, But you're not sorry it happened ??
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2015 23:04:06 GMT -5
Ah Walker, where would we be without your daily piece of vitriolic, backbiting, hearsay, tittle-tattle, mis-representing gossip?
When is one's own life experiences "hearsay," Bert?
The definition of "hearsay," is "information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
When one is telling something that they actually know from their own experience, can you call that "hearsay?"
Bert, were you there when Walker's father "turned, he found himself face to face with Willie Bryant?"
It's time for the best-seller to appear: The Dictionary According to Bert.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 30, 2015 23:04:47 GMT -5
Roselyn, not sure what I am to reply to. You made a comment, not a question? But yes, lots here claim they were abused by their professing families. Lots here say their upbringing in the church was a form of abuse. Bert you said you had two problems with what I had posted, I answered those two things you seen as problems. You also stated that you knew where a child would have the best childhood. Maybe go to the thread about gay marriage and have a look on page 15 I think it is ! Roselyn T Avatar Jun 28, 2015 at 2:05pm Roselyn T said: Bert are you trying to say if children profess young they are not going to commit sexual acts ? Or if they profess young it is going to stop adults abusing them ? Bit of a stretch don't you think ! No, I had the above quote put here because Admin moved another quote from a thread as not being relevent to the topic of young children professing. The point isn't about an individual case, but a generalized statement about a community's culture. Another way to put it is to ask - what child is more likely to be abused, someone from an Amish background or someone born to a single hip hop parent from the slums of Detroit? Exceptions don't prove the rule. Well Bert, I don't think you or I can answer that question. Bert Royal Member ***** Bert Avatar Posts: 3,450 Member is Online Jun 28, 2015 at 6:58pm Post Options . Post by Bert on Jun 28, 2015 at 6:58pm I can answer it - some people are more like to do X,Y or Z if their culture is more accepting of that behavior, or if their culture is more likely to trigger that response. So as a child I would prefer the Amish background to the single parent ghetto situation in Detroit. I might have a loving mother in the ghetto, and I might have an abusive mother in an Amish community - but I know where my best chances for a happy child
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2015 23:06:05 GMT -5
Are you one of those scandal loving gossips who put other people down, Dmmichgood? Hope not.
No - she's a respectable crone. She's to be honored for her age and wisdom.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2015 23:07:23 GMT -5
When is one's own life experiences "hearsay," Bert?
The definition of "hearsay," is "information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
When one is telling something that they actually know from their own experience, can you call that "hearsay?"
Bert, were you there when Walker's father "turned, he found himself face to face with Willie Bryant?"
a lawyer would have a field day if someone tried to bring only one side of the story to court... But it's okay, Wally. There's no judge here.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2015 23:10:47 GMT -5
I hope you don't condone a man yelling at a woman. Well, if he's stupid enough, he probably wouldn't be able to think of anything else to do?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 1, 2015 0:48:58 GMT -5
So classic and true to form.You're confirming the worst people say about workers. Oh come on bob! you can do better than this! any old fool can repeat mindless meaningless generalisations. You shouldn't put yourself down like that.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 1, 2015 1:14:41 GMT -5
Are you one of those scandal loving gossips who put other people down, Dmmichgood? Hope not.
You seem to be in that category of scandal loving gossips, Bert, since you are the one talking about it all the time.
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 1, 2015 1:46:34 GMT -5
There is no special food at the workers tables, they eat the same food as the friends during the conventions. Some workers are not well, so they can only eat certain kinds of food to keep their health working properly. Sometimes, they have their own special diet table at conventions.
The workers tables are very helpful to the speaking workers for the meetings they can eat quickly, then leave to get ready for the meeting without being rude. Some workers have duties at convention, they need to eat real quick and get to their posts assigned to them. The workers table are good for the workers to visit with workers from outer states, countries, and home state. The workers who are NOT speaking feel free to sit with whoever, or wherever they want at conventions. BAAA-LoneeeeI was going to say Baloney too, well maybe not Call baloney on it, but similar! Certainly the last conv I attended in Australia 4 years ago there were plenty of differences between worker & friends tables. Even down to unchipped plates/cups etc. not so for the flock. But I think that's the least of the 'issues'!
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 1, 2015 2:00:41 GMT -5
Oh come on bob! you can do better than this! any old fool can repeat mindless meaningless generalisations. You shouldn't put yourself down like that. Looks like it's 1 All.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 1, 2015 2:08:19 GMT -5
Are you one of those scandal loving gossips who put other people down, Dmmichgood? Hope not.
No - she's a respectable crone. She's to be honored for her age and wisdom. Thanks, Bob!
I seek no higher accolade!
Accept my humble appreciation for the honor that you have given me.
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 1, 2015 2:42:19 GMT -5
I had to copy the last post - the pot was calling the kettle black!!! I'd love to be a fly on the wall if Review ever had a conversation with himself. I wonder would Review 1 call Review 2 out and visa versa. He seems to cut people down with his passive aggressive manner for way less than a good portion of the stuff HE says! It tells me so much about him as a person
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 1, 2015 3:43:45 GMT -5
So, tell me which kind of foods that the workers eat differently than the friends during conventions, Bob. In Australia First of all they have all plates that don't have any chips in them and cups. Then they get the non run of the mill jams. The bread will always be the freshest and stacked the neatest. No crusts. Might get the same stew or meat and veg but there will always be an extra veg or two that the 'flock' doesn't have. Desserts too even if the 'flock' don't get any. Breakfast will be porridge and choices of cereals ( the flock don't get cereal) nice jams Vegemite peanut butter etc. Different cakes & biscuits the flock don't get. Having said that, when I was at conv in Alaska (Juneau) I didn't notice any real differences from the workers table to the flock. And the workers there seemed to mix more. In Australia it's not very common for workers to sit away from the workers table for meals. Usually only visiting workers might do that. So Nathan just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 1, 2015 3:54:10 GMT -5
Nathan, I agree with most of what you say here, but it was well-known among us workers and the friends in California that the workers' table did have special foods - we did have the general stew or whatever (and I loved it!), but there was often some special meat or other dish, and the choicest desserts selected from the various cakes, cookies, etc. brought by the friends. I think part of the reasoning on this was that the visiting workers, who were on lengthy "convention tours," appreciated something beyond the standard convention fare they were eating every week. This is probably true enough, but I'll have to admit I enjoyed the "extras" too . . . yes, we were free to sit with the other friends or to go through the cafeteria line, and I sometimes did so (and some did it more often than I), but the workers' table were a draw - not only for the food but also, as you suggest, to visit with other workers, and to more speedily get through lunch in order to attend to responsibilities, prepare to speak, and . . . well yeah, to get a good nap in too. I think we workers were (are) fairly normal people . . . Thanks, for sharing about how things were done in Calf..... In Oregon at the workers eat the same food as the friends that I remembered my 8 yrs in the work. My job was in charge of the dish washing at Boring. The visiting workers had beef sandwiches, cereals, cookies, cakes in the evening in the main house, and any worker was welcome to join in.
The friends can drive to town and eat whatever food they like, most of the workers at convention can't go wherever they want during convention time. Erm, sorry? Growing up in Queensland you had to ASK to leave the grounds and popping out to Macca's for a quarter pounder would not have been even a half decent reason to get a leave pass!
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Post by fixit on Jul 1, 2015 4:45:05 GMT -5
One of the tactics is to get people in the conversation and then either (a) whack them or (b) tell them ...I really value what you've said Gene and then ask others why they can't be like Gene.... The people in category (b) eventually move to category (a) - some more quickly than others! It's called "divide and rule".
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Post by fixit on Jul 1, 2015 4:47:01 GMT -5
Growing up in Queensland you had to ASK to leave the grounds and popping out to Macca's for a quarter pounder would not have been even a half decent reason to get a leave pass! That seems a bit cultish, and rather unnecessary.
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Post by rational on Jul 1, 2015 7:09:32 GMT -5
A person would think she was review's sister! Well, I guess they do feed at the same trough! And with this post you have demonstrated that this sort of behavior is common among some ex-workers as well. I don't see this kind of behavior from Alan Vandermyden. I wonder how he avoided that training.
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Post by rational on Jul 1, 2015 7:19:44 GMT -5
Ah Walker, where would we be without your daily piece of vitriolic, backbiting, hearsay, tittle-tattle, mis-representing gossip? When is one's own life experiences "hearsay," Bert? I don't believe it was Walker's life experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 10:11:44 GMT -5
It is not the food. It is the placing of themselves above others. The excuse that visiting workers end up eating the same food over and over is also just an excuse. Many poor people in the world eat the same food everyday with gratitude that they have food.
Where is the gratitude of the workers for the food and lodging that is provided for them at the expense of others. Gratitude would bring a whole different spirit to convention. One that would bring unity between workers and friends.
Anytime one things they deserve better then someone else they are not taking the place of a servant. That is not the example Jesus set forth when he met with his disciples at the last supper.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 1, 2015 11:51:36 GMT -5
I went to conventions "in the 1960s, 70s, 80s and into the 1990s before internet" and wonder what you are getting at. Are you insinuating all conventions and workers prior to the internet were like the example you quote from VOT?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 1, 2015 12:01:10 GMT -5
I see that is quoted from In Vain Do They Worship by Willis G. D. Young. So we in the fellowship worship in vain - does that mean we are going to hell? If not, what does it mean?
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