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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 8:38:16 GMT -5
Then came June of 1967, and my parents headed off for one of the annual conventions about three hundred kilometres away near North Hatley, Quebec. In order to make the long drive and be on time for the first meeting at 10:00 a.m., they had to get up and have breakfast very early. When the meeting ended about noon, the worker in charge of the proceedings asked if everyone would take his time in trying to get into the dining tent so that elderly folk and mothers with little children could be seated first. This the people seemed to do, and after some time had passed, my father, thinking that it was now everyone else's turn, started to walk toward a table. He had made only one or two steps when he felt a vise-like hand gripping his shoulder and heard a voice saying, “I thought I asked you to wait until the children and old folks were settled.” When he turned, he found himself face to face with Willie Bryant. But what is more significant is that that same worker was the one who, with Christian Steppat, had imposed himself on my parents almost every week-end all winter during my mother’s recuperation from her radical mastectomy and her prolonged radium treatments for cancer. The behaviour of that worker would indicate that he was hardly a true Apostle of Jesus Christ. He obviously did not remember that “. . .God hath tempered the body together. . . that the members should have the same care one for another.” My father did not respond or protest, but, instead, he turned away quietly, went to his car, and drove to the nearby village for his meal. And he and my mother went out for all their meals during their three remaining days at that convention. www.votisalive.com/content/04-signs-apostleYou young teens and 20 somethings can't imagine convention in the 1960s, 70s, 80s and into the 1990s before internet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 8:47:47 GMT -5
I agree they have no idea what how controlling and unkind workers and friends. Those with place were always putting those without place down. I grew up going to Milford convention feeling very much like an outcast because I was from a large family that was poor.
What do you think Jesus thinks of the way dinning is handled at convention. Do you think he would sit with the workers so he could have all the SPECIAL food? I don't, I think he would sit with the poorest and the neediest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 12:09:25 GMT -5
Ah Walker, where would we be without your daily piece of vitriolic, backbiting, hearsay, tittle-tattle, mis- representing gossip? And it's always something negative. I see those who go on about the supposed faults in others as being people who hate the good. There was a Walker in every office and every school I ever attended. And it's depressing - they are just miserable people. And there's so much in the bible on gossip, isn't there?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 13:15:06 GMT -5
review 005, did you enjoy conventions while you were away?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 13:16:15 GMT -5
The first post was Leigh Townsend's experiences.
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Post by slowtosee on Jun 30, 2015 14:46:19 GMT -5
Thanks, walker, for your participation here , along with everyone else. Alvin
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Post by Mary on Jun 30, 2015 14:52:13 GMT -5
I wonder what the issue is posting people's experience, good or not so good. Walker is a valuable contributer to this board. Starts some interesting topics injecting life into the board.
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Post by slowtosee on Jun 30, 2015 14:57:16 GMT -5
I am reminded of Leigh Townsend 's tribute to his dear worker friend, Sheldon Gillis. " There would be no exes if all the workers were like him ". Pretty nice testimony. Alvin
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2015 15:13:20 GMT -5
Walker your are one amazing guy! You have a deep well of experience and interest to draw on. I am sure it brings you much joy and satisfaction to be able to start the hundreds of TMB threads. Would TMB be able to continue without your deep dedication? Look at the difference you make! Your deep dedication and sacrifice of time for TMB is causing a huge difference and having a deep effect on f&W US and infact worldwide. Oh but hang on.... How much were you missed when you excused yourself for a while? Were there clamours and appeals for you to return? Posts from people wondering where Walker2013 was? Like he was being missed and all that? I met a worker like you one time -- but I was told he's now dead. How many of you are there?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2015 15:14:23 GMT -5
I agree they have no idea what how controlling and unkind workers and friends. Those with place were always putting those without place down. I grew up going to Milford convention feeling very much like an outcast because I was from a large family that was poor. What do you think Jesus thinks of the way dinning is handled at convention. Do you think he would sit with the workers so he could have all the SPECIAL food? I don't, I think he would sit with the poorest and the neediest. There is no special food at the workers tables, they eat the same food as the friends during the conventions. Some workers are not well, so they can only eat certain kinds of food to keep their health working properly. Sometimes, they have their own special diet table at conventions.
The workers tables are very helpful to the speaking workers for the meetings they can eat quickly, then leave to get ready for the meeting without being rude. Some workers have duties at convention, they need to eat real quick and get to their posts assigned to them. The workers table are good for the workers to visit with workers from outer states, countries, and home state. The workers who are NOT speaking feel free to sit with whoever, or wherever they want at conventions. BAAA-Loneeee
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Post by xna on Jun 30, 2015 15:51:55 GMT -5
I met a worker like you one time -- but I was told he's now dead. How many of you are there? How did you do it? No witnesses? That round went to review005. He was prepared with a quick answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 16:29:55 GMT -5
I agree they have no idea what how controlling and unkind workers and friends. Those with place were always putting those without place down. I grew up going to Milford convention feeling very much like an outcast because I was from a large family that was poor. What do you think Jesus thinks of the way dinning is handled at convention. Do you think he would sit with the workers so he could have all the SPECIAL food? I don't, I think he would sit with the poorest and the neediest. There is no special food at the workers tables, they eat the same food as the friends during the conventions. Some workers are not well, so they can only eat certain kinds of food to keep their health working properly. Sometimes, they have their own special diet table at conventions.
The workers tables are very helpful to the speaking workers for the meetings they can eat quickly, then leave to get ready for the meeting without being rude. Some workers have duties at convention, they need to eat real quick and get to their posts assigned to them. The workers table are good for the workers to visit with workers from outer states, countries, and home state. The workers who are NOT speaking feel free to sit with whoever, or wherever they want at conventions.So where do you think Jesus would sit then?
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Post by hberry on Jun 30, 2015 16:40:46 GMT -5
There is no special food at the workers tables, they eat the same food as the friends during the conventions. Some workers are not well, so they can only eat certain kinds of food to keep their health working properly. Sometimes, they have their own special diet table at conventions.
The workers tables are very helpful to the speaking workers for the meetings they can eat quickly, then leave to get ready for the meeting without being rude. Some workers have duties at convention, they need to eat real quick and get to their posts assigned to them. The workers table are good for the workers to visit with workers from outer states, countries, and home state. The workers who are NOT speaking feel free to sit with whoever, or wherever they want at conventions. So where do you think Jesus would sit then? Perhaps he would be serving, based on Luke 12:37 Blessed are those servants[g] whom the master finds awake when he comes. Truly, I say to you, he will dress himself for service and have them recline at table, and he will come and serve them. Just a thought.
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Jun 30, 2015 16:51:46 GMT -5
There is no special food at the workers tables, they eat the same food as the friends during the conventions. Some workers are not well, so they can only eat certain kinds of food to keep their health working properly. Sometimes, they have their own special diet table at conventions.
The workers tables are very helpful to the speaking workers for the meetings they can eat quickly, then leave to get ready for the meeting without being rude. Some workers have duties at convention, they need to eat real quick and get to their posts assigned to them. The workers table are good for the workers to visit with workers from outer states, countries, and home state. The workers who are NOT speaking feel free to sit with whoever, or wherever they want at conventions. Nathan, I agree with most of what you say here, but it was well-known among us workers and the friends in California that the workers' table did have special foods - we did have the general stew or whatever (and I loved it!), but there was often some special meat or other dish, and the choicest desserts selected from the various cakes, cookies, etc. brought by the friends. I think part of the reasoning on this was that the visiting workers, who were on lengthy "convention tours," appreciated something beyond the standard convention fare they were eating every week. This is probably true enough, but I'll have to admit I enjoyed the "extras" too . . . yes, we were free to sit with the other friends or to go through the cafeteria line, and I sometimes did so (and some did it more often than I), but the workers' table were a draw - not only for the food but also, as you suggest, to visit with other workers, and to more speedily get through lunch in order to attend to responsibilities, prepare to speak, and . . . well yeah, to get a good nap in too. I think we workers were (are) fairly normal people . . .
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Post by xna on Jun 30, 2015 17:09:09 GMT -5
I think we workers were (are) fairly normal people . . . Nothing about a workers life is "normal" in the common use of the word.
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Jun 30, 2015 18:30:56 GMT -5
I think we workers were (are) fairly normal people . . . Nothing about a workers life is "normal" in the common use of the word. Agreed. But please note that I didn't state that a worker's life is normal, but that workers are normal people - not angelic, or somehow "above" others; but also not demonic, or somehow inferior to or more "evil" than others. I like to establish commonality, then go from there to discuss particulars, whether they be helpful or harmful. I perceived Nathan's post, while generally valid, as portraying workers as a bit too free of being "lifted up," while others sometimes seem to portray workers as only possessing sinister motives. I enjoy attempting to "get at" what I was thinking and feeling when saying and doing various things as a worker.
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Post by xna on Jun 30, 2015 19:26:52 GMT -5
Nothing about a workers life is "normal" in the common use of the word. Agreed. But please note that I didn't state that a worker's life is normal, but that workers are normal people - not angelic, or somehow "above" others; but also not demonic, or somehow inferior to or more "evil" than others. I like to establish commonality, then go from there to discuss particulars, whether they be helpful or harmful. I perceived Nathan's post, while generally valid, as portraying workers as a bit too free of being "lifted up," while others sometimes seem to portray workers as only possessing sinister motives. I enjoy attempting to "get at" what I was thinking and feeling when saying and doing various things as a worker. I was thinking along these lines: Biblically F&W are not “normal” as they are called “the few vs. the many” ,“ the chosen ones”, "a peculiar people” Statistically preachers are just 0.2% of the us population. hirr.hartsem.edu/research/fastfacts/fast_facts.html#numclergy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 19:29:56 GMT -5
This is my experience a few years after leaving that "work" marrying and having our first baby. She was in my arms at "boring convention" While out waiting for a turn at the dining tent table with my little 18 month old child in my arms (my wife was serving somewhere) a blind man was brought to me who had not been helped seated at the first setting, and did not know what to do.
Looking into the dining tent (my duties were bathroom clean up and night watch when the baby was asleep and my wife was also exhausted.) I saw the end row of the workers tables completely empty. So I led the older (non professing blind gent) over to that table. As I helped him sit down, and got him some food, this woman worker came and gave me a full scale worst dressing down of my life that we were sitting at the workers table where we had absolutely no right to be, and no, I had taken no food for myself, only that blind "outsider" and overheard by a number in that tent, and definitely by the older gent himself who was embarrassed and tried to get up and leave. I put my hand on his shoulder, telling him nobody had any right to deny him food there!
Then as soon as I could possibly do so, I got my wee daughter, who had begun to cry, and myself up and outta there! Then looked up that worker and told her to go to the worker in charge, tell him Dennis Jacobsen and wee daughter were helping (blind so and so) get food at an empty workers table, and told her in an aside that she should also tell him Mr. So and so was X worker's guest and that she had just read us the riot act for sitting him at that worker's table to eat. Sheesh! A person would think she was review's sister! Well, I guess they do feed at the same trough!
So no matter how much this worker blusters about me and other's postings, I know what he is like, and for me, it is NOTHING like those twelve chosen ones of so long ago. Everyone knows what these types are like, and yet keep absolutely silent about them except for a very courageous few. Go figure!
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Post by fixit on Jun 30, 2015 20:53:15 GMT -5
Dennis , You have taken opportunity to show what is still inside and is still working away in you after all these years. I sincerely have nothing but pity and sadness that it is such. Are you not able to leave it and move on? Review, how about telling us how you would deal with the situation Dennis described? That way you might contribute something of value to the discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 20:57:52 GMT -5
The first post was Leigh Townsend's experiences. Sir, I would like to post my witness of what happened to me at Menomonee Convention in 1969. I had not been there, since a child in 1954-55 when following my mother into the meeting shed after meeting had started the first morning of convention, when I was very unceremoniously grabbed by the collar, jerked backwards off my feet and dragged out of the meeting shed by Albert Gavel!
What a shock! Had no idea how I had transgressed nor what I had done wrong. I was completely and totally dumbfounded, he began to proceed by shaking me until my teeth rattled in my head. I remember beginning to cry. Finally that jerk relented, shoved me towards another door, saying this is the women's side go sit where you belong! (yes, I wondered at that very moment, "well if nobody is to sit on that side of the shed but women, what are you doing sitting there, you big bully!?" And if I had not been but a little boy, I would have gone up to him, kicked him as hard as I could in the shin and asked him that very question!)
But I was only a slight lad of about 11 - 12 years old. Had to laugh though, right there in the middle section of the shed sat many young men and women side by side! Obvious to me SOMETHING was wrong!
So then at the time this occurred, I was no longer a little boy, rather a strapping 6'3" 220 lb former US 82nd Airborne Ranger, SMRC Leader, and finally a "worker" traveling overseas. It was mealtime of the first convention day, I gladly chose to stand with cousins I had not seen in a decade waiting happily with them, when Albert Gavel's female counterpart assaulted me for standing in line with my beloved cousins and aunt and uncle. She grabbed me jerked me in the same manner, but oops, a former ranger doesn't jerk so well, as she fell to the damp dirty ground she advised me my place was at the worker's table.
Well, again dumbfounded, I simply responded, "oh no, it's not. Today it is with my family!" Sputtering, she got up and disappeared. I just looked at my relations and the friends around me who saw that scene that day, and raised one eyebrow questioningly. The response was that woman worker had such a long time coming to her. I felt badly, chosing only to eat with family a couple times after that.
A lovely young sister, Gayle Motley came to my rescue at that convention after that otherwise I believe some of those old crones would have ganged up on me. Anyway, Gale and their very kindly overseer made me feel very welcome for the rest of that convention. Still, ...!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 21:03:38 GMT -5
Review, the main reason I posted these two experiences never before related is YOU! YOU and you alone have reminded me of them, so if you wish to attack me for such memories, just go look in the mirror!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 30, 2015 21:46:39 GMT -5
Then came June of 1967, and my parents headed off for one of the annual conventions about three hundred kilometres away near North Hatley, Quebec. In order to make the long drive and be on time for the first meeting at 10:00 a.m., they had to get up and have breakfast very early. When the meeting ended about noon, the worker in charge of the proceedings asked if everyone would take his time in trying to get into the dining tent so that elderly folk and mothers with little children could be seated first. This the people seemed to do, and after some time had passed, my father, thinking that it was now everyone else's turn, started to walk toward a table. He had made only one or two steps when he felt a vise-like hand gripping his shoulder and heard a voice saying, “I thought I asked you to wait until the children and old folks were settled.” When he turned, he found himself face to face with Willie Bryant. But what is more significant is that that same worker was the one who, with Christian Steppat, had imposed himself on my parents almost every week-end all winter during my mother’s recuperation from her radical mastectomy and her prolonged radium treatments for cancer. The behaviour of that worker would indicate that he was hardly a true Apostle of Jesus Christ. He obviously did not remember that “. . .God hath tempered the body together. . . that the members should have the same care one for another.” My father did not respond or protest, but, instead, he turned away quietly, went to his car, and drove to the nearby village for his meal. And he and my mother went out for all their meals during their three remaining days at that convention. www.votisalive.com/content/04-signs-apostleYou young teens and 20 somethings can't imagine convention in the 1960s, 70s, 80s and into the 1990s before internet. Sounds very familiar.
Heard of a man with several children at one of the 1900's conventions who decided to leave before convention was "over" because of the weather was rainy & cold & he was concerned about the health of his children.
(Remember, this was a time before antibiotics & it didn't take a lot for an infection to kill you. In 1912 the infant mortality rate was 150 deaths per 1,000 children while now it is 4 per 1000.)
He was "told off" in no uncertain terms about his decision by one of the workers.
It would seem some times that some of the workers felt they owned you body & soul & needed to "guide" you in every little decision that you made.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 30, 2015 22:03:34 GMT -5
Ah Walker, where would we be without your daily piece of vitriolic, backbiting, hearsay, tittle-tattle, mis-representing gossip?
When is one's own life experiences "hearsay," Bert?
The definition of "hearsay," is "information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
When one is telling something that they actually know from their own experience, can you call that "hearsay?"
Bert, were you there when Walker's father "turned, he found himself face to face with Willie Bryant?"
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 30, 2015 22:19:07 GMT -5
Your deep dedication and sacrifice of time for TMB is causing a huge difference and having a deep effect on f&W US and in fact worldwide. review005, your own deep dedication and sacrifice to the god, SARCASM whose job is to designed to give pain to others is no doubt the reason that causing a huge difference and having a deep effect on f&W's.
Your posts act to verify the pain that so many of the people have suffered from the hands of workers . You obviously aren't really trying to bring people to the Jesus that you think you know.
It must be some kind of venting spleen at your own situation in life.
You know you could just leave the work, review005, -since you seem so unhappy there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 22:19:56 GMT -5
Are you one of those scandal loving gossips who put other people down, Dmmichgood? Hope not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 22:25:04 GMT -5
Ah Walker, where would we be without your daily piece of vitriolic, backbiting, hearsay, tittle-tattle, mis-representing gossip?
When is one's own life experiences "hearsay," Bert?
The definition of "hearsay," is "information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
When one is telling something that they actually know from their own experience, can you call that "hearsay?"
Bert, were you there when Walker's father "turned, he found himself face to face with Willie Bryant?"
a lawyer would have a field day if someone tried to bring only one side of the story to court...
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 30, 2015 22:25:24 GMT -5
Are you one of those scandal loving gossips too, Dmmichgood? Hope not.
Bert, I believe you have still not replied to my post on the other thread re-domestic violence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 22:26:28 GMT -5
Wot was that?
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