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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 6:14:31 GMT -5
Quote - "The friends do not talk about the things of God outside of meeting. Even the workers do not do that when they visit. The fellowship meetings are for sharing about what they have been reading in the Bible."
Really, maybe these people felt you weren't interested?
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Post by maryhig on Jun 6, 2015 6:15:52 GMT -5
Would friends talk to each other outside of the meeting, about things they've been reading and what they've seen that day in God etc? The friends do not talk about the things of God outside of meeting. Even the workers do not do that when they visit. The fellowship meetings are for sharing about what they have been reading in the Bible. Oh that's why people don't say much on here, I was wondering why? Blimey if I hear something from God, I can't wait to share it. And I speak it in the meeting too! I don't say much on here though. Because this forum seems to be more about debating!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 6:28:00 GMT -5
Maryhig, time and time again I have been told that the reason people on the TMB don't talk about Jesus or God is because, quote unquote, "this site is all about the Workers."
So it comes as no surprise that "all they talk about is the Workers" MUST be a common complaint against US.
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Post by maryhig on Jun 6, 2015 6:36:10 GMT -5
Maryhig, time and time again I have been told that the reason people on the TMB don't talk about Jesus or God is because, quote unquote, "this site is all about the Workers."
So it comes as no surprise that "all they talk about is the Workers" MUST be a common complaint against US. Yes I've noticed there's a lot of emphasis how bad the workers are. There must be good hearted workers or the people wouldn't listen! I honestly can say, that since being on here the friends and workers have welcomed me. Also there good and bad everywhere! And God will judge us all
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Post by reallyandtruly on Jun 6, 2015 9:25:07 GMT -5
Would friends talk to each other outside of the meeting, about things they've been reading and what they've seen that day in God etc? The friends do not talk about the things of God outside of meeting. Even the workers do not do that when they visit. The fellowship meetings are for sharing about what they have been reading in the Bible. Completely wrong. We frequently spend evenings or parts of evenings talking about spiritual things with our friends. The same applies with the workers. We have spent many enjoyable hours discussing the scriptures and spiritual things with them. Really where do you get some of your ideas from ?
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Post by maryhig on Jun 6, 2015 9:54:13 GMT -5
The friends do not talk about the things of God outside of meeting. Even the workers do not do that when they visit. The fellowship meetings are for sharing about what they have been reading in the Bible. Completely wrong. We frequently spend evenings or parts of evenings talking about spiritual things with our friends. The same applies with the workers. We have spent many enjoyable hours discussing the scriptures and spiritual things with them. Really where do you get some of your ideas from ? Ah that's good to hear I love it too, we have 4 meetings a week so we get together a lot anyway
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Post by Greg on Jun 6, 2015 9:57:38 GMT -5
The friends do not talk about the things of God outside of meeting. Even the workers do not do that when they visit. The fellowship meetings are for sharing about what they have been reading in the Bible. Completely wrong. We frequently spend evenings or parts of evenings talking about spiritual things with our friends. The same applies with the workers. We have spent many enjoyable hours discussing the scriptures and spiritual things with them. Really where do you get some of your ideas from ? Not completely wrong. The friends do share in the fellowship meetings as to what they have been reading and that is part of the meetings intent. As to the other, could be personal experience. Then a few people agree and it becomes world-wide. R&T's experience might be called an exception. I would be of the same exception. Likely many more are.
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Post by Greg on Jun 6, 2015 10:02:26 GMT -5
Maryhig, time and time again I have been told that the reason people on the TMB don't talk about Jesus or God is because, quote unquote, "this site is all about the Workers."
So it comes as no surprise that "all they talk about is the Workers" MUST be a common complaint against US. Perhaps you are told that offline or by PM. Or I have just forgotten those often times. The friends do talk a lot about the workers. I do not know why they would not Could be because some/few think too much talk is about the workers and/or they have a lot of interest in their family friends, neighbors, and the friends.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 11:02:33 GMT -5
Those in meetings have been discouraged from talking about their faith to outsiders being told instead to just ask the person to a Gospel meeting. I don't know where you live, but that's complete news to me. I've never heard anyone suggest we don't talk to people about our faith. In fact, we've been strongly encouraged to do the opposite, like Peter wrote: "be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 11:08:21 GMT -5
We were told to just ask them to Gospel meetings. Some might be more inclined to talk about their beliefs today but definitely we were told not to talk to people about what we believe but just to ask them to Gospel meetings. We were told not to cast or pearls before swine. The workers were the ones who had given up all to preach the Gospel and were the ones who saved people. Our job was to ask people to meetings to hear the workers. This was a big mistake that the ministry made. If they want converts, shouldn't they encourage the friends to talk to people about their beliefs? Ironically nearly everyone who makes their choice are the children of the friends. And the friends talk to them about their beliefs. Who says we shouldn't talk to people? I've never heard of it before. Certainly it's not the case in my part of the world. We don't go out looking for seeking souls, but why would we hide what we believe from those we work with or meet with during the course of our daily lives? We're actively encouraged to be lights in this world, I've often heard it spoken about.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 11:11:10 GMT -5
Would friends talk to each other outside of the meeting, about things they've been reading and what they've seen that day in God etc? The friends do not talk about the things of God outside of meeting. Even the workers do not do that when they visit. The fellowship meetings are for sharing about what they have been reading in the Bible. That's definitely never been my experience. When we get together with friends we often discuss the scriptures, and sing hymns together. The workers always talk about the things of God when they visit us. Why would we not talk about the most important things in our lives? That makes no sense. "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name." - Malachi
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 11:20:27 GMT -5
The friends do not talk about the things of God outside of meeting. Even the workers do not do that when they visit. The fellowship meetings are for sharing about what they have been reading in the Bible. Oh that's why people don't say much on here, I was wondering why? Blimey if I hear something from God, I can't wait to share it. And I speak it in the meeting too! I don't say much on here though. Because this forum seems to be more about debating! Maryhig, you won't get a clear picture of what the friends and workers are like from reading this forum!
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Post by maryhig on Jun 6, 2015 11:45:46 GMT -5
Oh that's why people don't say much on here, I was wondering why? Blimey if I hear something from God, I can't wait to share it. And I speak it in the meeting too! I don't say much on here though. Because this forum seems to be more about debating! Maryhig, you won't get a clear picture of what the friends and workers are like from reading this forum! Felicity, I realise that there seems to be a lot of people on here that have had problems, but as i said before, there is good and bad everywhere. And, I go with how I find a person myself. And to be honest, I find the f&ws on here are very friendly people. And by what I've been reading, your beliefs are close to ours too. I know that some of your people think that were outsiders, because of Edward Cooney. But I haven't felt that on here, and I would care for all of you. You've all been friendly and helpful and it's been really nice to meet you all. Because we are only a small meeting. Even hearing of others having meetings is strange. Because we're the only ones around here that I know! .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 11:47:19 GMT -5
Quote - "Virgo you agreed with this statement, no one is more important than anyone else, Jesus died for all. It is statements like the above that workers use to try & promote their importance!" Guess that applies to the early preachers like Peter and Paul, too.The workers are not Peter & Paul ! They are not Apostles, Bert ! The workers are apostles: Apostle, from Classical Greek ἀπόστολος (apóstolos), meaning "one who is sent away", is a messenger and ambassador. The purpose of such "sending away" is to convey messages, and thus "messenger" is a common alternative translation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 12:36:52 GMT -5
The workers are not Peter & Paul ! They are not Apostles, Bert ! The workers are apostles: Apostle, from Classical Greek ἀπόστολος (apóstolos), meaning "one who is sent away", is a messenger and ambassador. The purpose of such "sending away" is to convey messages, and thus "messenger" is a common alternative translation. @roselyn T is stuck on workers not being apostles because of what they did to her so I suggest you duck cause she is going to through a fit at you for declaring them apostles...
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Post by Greg on Jun 6, 2015 12:58:54 GMT -5
The workers are apostles: Apostle, from Classical Greek ἀπόστολος (apóstolos), meaning "one who is sent away", is a messenger and ambassador. The purpose of such "sending away" is to convey messages, and thus "messenger" is a common alternative translation. @roselyn T is stuck on workers not being apostles because of what they did to her so I suggest you duck cause she is going to through a fit at you for declaring them apostles... Roselyn might not throw a fit, but you might read any response she has as such. Using the definition given, any missionary and perhaps many ministers can be called apostles. Further, any such sent ones need not convey anything about Jesus or God and still can be called "apostle" according to the cited definition above. I have heard a now elderly worker say that the first workers (who I think he meant Walker and company) were apostles, but he considered himself a teacher, not an apostle or evangelist.
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Post by kittens on Jun 6, 2015 18:25:35 GMT -5
The friends do not talk about the things of God outside of meeting. Even the workers do not do that when they visit. The fellowship meetings are for sharing about what they have been reading in the Bible. Completely wrong. We frequently spend evenings or parts of evenings talking about spiritual things with our friends. The same applies with the workers. We have spent many enjoyable hours discussing the scriptures and spiritual things with them. Really where do you get some of your ideas from ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 18:31:37 GMT -5
Completely wrong. We frequently spend evenings or parts of evenings talking about spiritual things with our friends. The same applies with the workers. We have spent many enjoyable hours discussing the scriptures and spiritual things with them. Really where do you get some of your ideas from ? From my experience I completely agree with Mary. None of the friends speak about the things of God outside the meeting and neither do the workers. It's always about natural things. I know some Baptist families who have bible reads together every morning and I thought what a nice idea that was - to share something like that with your whole family. Visitors in the home can join in too.
Another thing I've noticed - A lot of the friends here will not come to your home for a meal on a Saturday night. They say we should be getting ready for the meeting. Ok fair enough but when someone comes to your home for a meal they usually only stay 2 - 3 hours and there is plenty of time to study for the Sunday meeting. It's not like you are asking them to go out clubbing until 5am in the morning. Yet it's ok to go out Sunday night when you have to get up early for work the next day. The Jewish and Seventh Day Adventist rules are to observe the Sabbath from Friday Sundown to Saturday sundown. We must be Saturday Sundown to Sunday Sundown. When you work all week the only time you have left is Saturday to clean the house and cook a nice meal and it's nice to have friends round to share it when you can relax. How do other Friends feel about this? I guess if you don't work it doesn't matter.
i've always felt that about 10 pm Saturday night you should be hitting the hay for sunday. so get your studying in before then and whatever fun you want to have too.
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Post by snow on Jun 6, 2015 19:02:10 GMT -5
This was a big mistake that the ministry made. If they want converts, shouldn't they encourage the friends to talk to people about their beliefs? Ironically nearly everyone who makes their choice are the children of the friends. And the friends talk to them about their beliefs. I talk to whoever I can, I love talking about God. Were encouraged to! The more you share the word of God, the stronger you become! That's what I was hoping to find when I came here. Because Edward Cooney came from the same people as the f&ws I would love to talk more about God! But sometimes I don't feel it's right here! And sometimes I can't shut up! You talking about God if you want to is just as right as me talking about no god if I want to Maryhig. So do what feels good to you and don't worry about the rest of it.
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Post by snow on Jun 6, 2015 19:14:25 GMT -5
Maryhig, time and time again I have been told that the reason people on the TMB don't talk about Jesus or God is because, quote unquote, "this site is all about the Workers."
So it comes as no surprise that "all they talk about is the Workers" MUST be a common complaint against US. Yes I've noticed there's a lot of emphasis how bad the workers are. There must be good hearted workers or the people wouldn't listen! I honestly can say, that since being on here the friends and workers have welcomed me. Also there good and bad everywhere! And God will judge us all There are definitely good workers Maryhig. I knew a few growing up in the church. Like you said, there are the good and not so good. And, they are in every walk of life. I professed through Stanley Lee and even though he was a firey preacher he was also kind. My favorite worker growing up was Stanley Sharpe. He was so kind and good with us kids. We likely drove him nuts but he never acted like we did.
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Post by snow on Jun 6, 2015 19:16:03 GMT -5
The friends do not talk about the things of God outside of meeting. Even the workers do not do that when they visit. The fellowship meetings are for sharing about what they have been reading in the Bible. Completely wrong. We frequently spend evenings or parts of evenings talking about spiritual things with our friends. The same applies with the workers. We have spent many enjoyable hours discussing the scriptures and spiritual things with them. Really where do you get some of your ideas from ? That's what I remember too, but I haven't been around for a very long time so can't comment on what it's like now. But I remember my parents having lots of conversations about the bible with visiting workers. Not as much with friends, but it wasn't unheard of. Mostly what I remember when friends visited was lots of music and hymn singing. Usually they came for a meal and afterwards sang hymns and chatted. I don't remember a lot of talk about the bible though, just singing.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 6, 2015 19:18:53 GMT -5
Bert you need to read the statement again ! The most important people in the world to God would be those who believe in him (His people) but then as Mary said everyone is important to God. " Wilson McClung Peter speaks of a very important thing that must be in the life of the servant of God--it must be there. 1 Peter 1:10-12. There is no gospel preached, and there is no soul saved, and there is no extension of the Kingdom of God apart from the preacher preaching the Gospel by the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven...The most important people in all the world today to God are His servants..." Bert, in the above who is the worker meaning when he says "the servant of God" ? Bert you still have not answered this, those of us who are B&R know that when a worker says His Servants they mean the workers, the people are Saints NOT Servants !
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 6, 2015 19:47:37 GMT -5
This was a big mistake that the ministry made. If they want converts, shouldn't they encourage the friends to talk to people about their beliefs? Ironically nearly everyone who makes their choice are the children of the friends. And the friends talk to them about their beliefs. Who says we shouldn't talk to people? I've never heard of it before. Certainly it's not the case in my part of the world. We don't go out looking for seeking souls, but why would we hide what we believe from those we work with or meet with during the course of our daily lives? We're actively encouraged to be lights in this world, I've often heard it spoken about. Felicity if someone you worked with for example wanted to know more about what you believe and asked if they could come to your church what do you tell them? In Australia people have to go to Missions first before they can go to Sunday morning meetings, maybe its different where you live. If someone was to ask you what you believe what exactly do you tell them ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 6, 2015 19:58:29 GMT -5
The workers are apostles: Apostle, from Classical Greek ἀπόστολος (apóstolos), meaning "one who is sent away", is a messenger and ambassador. The purpose of such "sending away" is to convey messages, and thus "messenger" is a common alternative translation. @roselyn T is stuck on workers not being apostles because of what they did to her so I suggest you duck cause she is going to through a fit at you for declaring them apostles... Wally it has got nothing to do with what the workers did to me ! Do some research about the Apostles ! Also just to clarify you have not lived my life so please don't think you understand why I see things the way I do.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 6, 2015 20:00:39 GMT -5
The workers are not Peter & Paul ! They are not Apostles, Bert ! The workers are apostles: Apostle, from Classical Greek ἀπόστολος (apóstolos), meaning "one who is sent away", is a messenger and ambassador. The purpose of such "sending away" is to convey messages, and thus "messenger" is a common alternative translation. The workers ARE NOT Apostles, how many of them have seen Jesus ? How many people have they healed lately ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 20:03:49 GMT -5
@roselyn T is stuck on workers not being apostles because of what they did to her so I suggest you duck cause she is going to through a fit at you for declaring them apostles... Wally it has got nothing to do with what the workers did to me ! Do some research about the Apostles ! Also just to clarify you have not lived my life so please don't think you understand why I see things the way I do. I feel the more you speak the more I know you and what you've went through you have posted quite a bit of your life and experience on this board, true one can't know everything about someone online but I would hazard a guess...
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 6, 2015 20:15:05 GMT -5
Wally it has got nothing to do with what the workers did to me ! Do some research about the Apostles ! Also just to clarify you have not lived my life so please don't think you understand why I see things the way I do. I feel the more you speak the more I know you and what you've went through you have posted quite a bit of your life and experience on this board, true one can't know everything about someone online but I would hazard a guess...
So why say I disagree with the workers being called Apostles because of what the workers did to me ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 20:29:43 GMT -5
so true so true Virgo you agreed with this statement, no one is more important than anyone else, Jesus died for all. It is statements like the above that workers use to try & promote their importance ! yawn, it's the same ol with you, pick pick pick
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