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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 5:26:07 GMT -5
Felicity - I am sure the workers are praying privately. But why wouldn't they encourage people to pray for the folk in Nepal? How often has a worker prayed with you together outside of a meeting? Before you rush and talk about hypocrites, where we are workers never pray with friends privately about anything. Why? I don't know but it's the most important thing we can do. When a worker comes to a bedside to visit a person down here they don't pray with the person. They generally sing a hymn. Why? When a worker comes to visit a person whose spouse has died they do not pray with the person. They generally sing a hymn. Why? Given our experience I don't find it surprising at all that a worker doesn't mention prayer in these newsletters. In our experience outside of meetings workers don't pray with people. Ross, in your first comment you said "I was struck by the fact that prayer and praying was not mentioned once" and now you're saying "I don't find it surprising at all that a worker doesn't mention prayer in these newsletters"! I'm surprised that you feel you have a right to pass judgement on correspondence that wasn't either addressed to you or intended for you. I'm sure it was understood by the writer that the intended recipients would be praying. I don't know how you can say "workers never pray with friends privately about anything". How do you know what's done privately? If I had a deep need that required me to ask someone to come and pray with me, I probably wouldn't be publicising the fact. Having said that, there have been times in my life - illness, bereavement and other problems - when I have particularly needed help from the workers, and I have never been disappointed in their response, and the love and care that has been shown to me. I don't see why you think praying out loud would be any more effective than praying in the secret place? Unless you think being seen of others to pray is more important than being heard by God? Looks to me like as far as some folks on the forum are concerned, the workers can do no right at all. The blanket generalizations applied to all workers are unbelievable. Surely there must be some good workers somewhere in the world. Such a display of bitter hatred cannot be healthy to the soul. IMO.True Christians should have a capacity to forgive and move on.if we do not forgive others, how do we expect to be forgiven?
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Post by rational on May 6, 2015 8:14:12 GMT -5
Looks to me like as far as some folks on the forum are concerned, the workers can do no right at all. The blanket generalizations applied to all workers are unbelievable. Surely there must be some good workers somewhere in the world. Such a display of bitter hatred cannot be healthy to the soul. IMO.True Christians should have a capacity to forgive and move on.if we do not forgive others, how do we expect to be forgiven? I have found this to be true as well. I believe that the F&W and the workers make good scape goats for a variety of problems. In many cases it seems like the real problem might be a dysfunctional family - the results would be the same no matter what organization they were members of.
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Post by christiansburg on May 6, 2015 8:32:29 GMT -5
Thanks for this news. I have to say I had no idea we had workers in that part of the world.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 13:35:29 GMT -5
Dear Friends It has been very heartwarming to hear of your desire to send help for the friends in Nepal. The older brothers have talked this matter over and have decided that money be sent via WESTERN UNION to Frykholm Jeyapaul, who is one of the brother Workers in Nepal this year. One of our friends’ house was razed to the ground and another friend’s house has developed cracks. The quakes & tremors have eased off for the time being and they are gradually picking themselves up from the terrific devastation the country has suffered. No doubt … it will be a nightmare they won’t forget in a hurry. Our heavenly Father has been kind & merciful to the two brothers & two sisters plus our friends in keeping them safe. Following are the details you may need to send to Frykholm the donations you are moved to send via WESTERN UNION please. Name: Frykholm Manuel Jeyapaul Address: Behind Zoo, Jawalakhel, Kathmandu Nepal. . Western Union may require a security question & answer as well. You may please communicate to Frykholm what this question & answer is in your particular case. For Western Union users there will be no transaction charges for funds sent to Nepal till 15 May. His Email address is: frykholmj@gmail.com Thanks again for your kindness & thoughtfulness. With warm greetings in Him, Chris J. *** Posted on facebook.
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Post by faune on May 6, 2015 23:30:13 GMT -5
Looks to me like as far as some folks on the forum are concerned, the workers can do no right at all. The blanket generalizations applied to all workers are unbelievable. Surely there must be some good workers somewhere in the world. Such a display of bitter hatred cannot be healthy to the soul. IMO.True Christians should have a capacity to forgive and move on.if we do not forgive others, how do we expect to be forgiven? Just to recap I asked why workers do not seem to pray with people one on one or in small groups outside of meetings - which has been our experience. When you leave meetings and go to another church it's just automatic that you'd pray. Not sure how a person expressing their experience and asking a question about it is "bitter hatred". I think most of us have moved on, possibly except where it relates to Child Sexual Abuse issues which run deep and cut to the core. Ross ~ Well, from my own recollection from 30 years of professing, the only time I heard workers praying was before a meeting or giving thanks for the bread and wine. We had a number of traumatic experiences over the years, and never once did a worker suggest prayer over the matter in our presence. Honestly, I was surprised to hear from your post that some sang hymns, since I never observed that either. Perhaps this is some new thing they do these days, since I left 20 years ago in 1995? However, what I do remember well is the Grapevine sending messages around with their own twist on the facts to spice things up a bit. But, that's probably just as much tolerated as CSA within the 2x2's has been for years. I honestly wonder if the Civil Authorities didn't bring down some heat upon them for not reporting, if things wouldn't continue just as they did before with moving offenders around to a new area to abuse some new unsuspecting victims?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 4:39:26 GMT -5
There are many things that a trained eye would see and detect that other eyes may not see. My comment was not meant in any way to invalidate peoples's experiences, nor do I cast doubts on people 's experiences; it has more to do with the way in which people make across -the - board generalizations that tarnish the characters and reputations of all workers. I seldom ever read on this board references to SOME workers; it is always classification about "WORKS" in general. It is understandable why all black folks get upset about being pigeon holed as one and the same. That is the point I attempted to make, not an intended attack on peoples' experiences. Of course I acknowledge that these are sensitive issues pertaining/relating to hurt feelings suffered by many in the past, however fair is fair, not all workers are the same.
I am defending the reputation of good workers with an honest conscience. I am sorry if some of you are offended, by taking it personal.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 8:31:35 GMT -5
Maybe singing hymns is just a local thing down here. No, singing hymns at the bedsides of the sick and on visits to the bereaved is an every day occurrence here, among friends as well as workers. Except of course for those in public wards in hospital who may not feel comfortable with the attention
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