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Post by Mary on Apr 20, 2015 4:25:59 GMT -5
Didn't you receive the Holy Spirit when you accepted Christ Maryhig? Why ask him into your heart again in meeting as he is already there?
Jesus was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of man. He left his glory to take the form of a man with feelings the same as us. Did He pray to the Father or to God?
Who is the Lord, Mary?
Isn't Jesus the mediator between man and the Father?
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 4:33:17 GMT -5
Didn't you receive the Holy Spirit when you accepted Christ Maryhig? Why ask him into your heart again in meeting as he is already there? Jesus was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of man. He left his glory to take the form of a man with feelings the same as us. Did He pray to the Father or to God? Who is thee ord, Mary? Isn't Jesus the mediator between man and the Father? Yes Jesus is the mediator BETWEEN man and the Father. Thus making him not God! And Jesus also sent the comforter, (Holy Spirit) thus he's not the holy spirit if he's sending him! I don't pray to Jesus or to the holy spirit, I pray to God, the one and only almighty God! The lord God is my God, and the Lord Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 4:39:05 GMT -5
Oh my word, I'm going for a walk. I'm starting to sound like Nathan I'm using CAPITALS! Lol Mary I believe in God, as do you, Ross and Nathan. And I love him. And I would love to sit and talk to you about him. But I don't like being like this to people who belong to God. I'm not going to speak about this anymore, (for now )I feel it's wrong. I shouldn't have carried on this much. So we will just have to agree to disagree
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 4:40:56 GMT -5
You obviously don't understand what the trinity means Maryhig. Jesus is not the Father and the Father is not Jesus. Reading your posts you seem to be saying that we have Jesus Spirit in us and God's spirit in us. Thrre is only one spirit and that is the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that lives in us when we accept Christ. Oh don't confuse me anymore lol, I can't take it right now! Ha ha my brain is zonked!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 4:41:15 GMT -5
The scriptures teach us that Jesus has gone back to Heaven and is sitting at the right hand of God mediating on our behalf; or am I misunderstanding something.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 4:42:32 GMT -5
So you don't see Jesus as your mediator between you and the Father. You pray straight to the Father snd by pass Jesue? Doesn't it say somewhere that Jesus intercedes for us. You are saying there are 2 Lords? It does get overwhelming on here doesn't it. Hey , would love to go on that walk with you. No I pray to God and only him.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 4:45:33 GMT -5
So you don't see Jesus as your mediator between you and the Father. You pray straight to the Father snd by pass Jesue? Doesn't it say somewhere that Jesus intercedes for us. You are saying there are 2 Lords? It does get overwhelming on here doesn't it. Hey , would love to go on that walk with you. Ha ha I'd love you to come! I think I'll go to the beach to clear my head lol
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 4:51:01 GMT -5
So you don't see Jesus as your mediator between you and the Father. You pray straight to the Father snd by pass Jesue? Doesn't it say somewhere that Jesus intercedes for us. You are saying there are 2 Lords? It does get overwhelming on here doesn't it. Hey , would love to go on that walk with you. Ha ha I'd love you to come! I think I'll go to the beach to clear my head lol I can just see me getting to the beach, opening my Bible, having a read, start talking to someone there, and find out they believe in ......The Trinity argh! lol Right I'm off out,
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Post by Greg on Apr 20, 2015 5:29:00 GMT -5
Can I ask you something please, do the f&w's believe in the Trinity. I'm a bit confused, I'm reading that they do and don't on different posts? Thanks in advance In my experience, no, they do not believe in the trinity. They do not believe Jesus is God. They do not believe Jesus is God the Son.
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2015 5:33:46 GMT -5
Yes but do you pray to the holy spirit, or sing and pray to God for the holy spirit to be in your midst? Maryhig, there is a hymn that goes "Holy spirit, breathe upon us...sealed by thee are we." But other than that I can't remember any direct addresses to the holy spirit. We always asked God to give us his spirit individually and in the meetings. Here's one that comes to mind: More about Jesus let me learn, More of His holy will discern; Spirit of God my teacher be, Showing the things of Christ to me.
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2015 5:56:32 GMT -5
In my experience, no, they do not believe in the trinity. They do not believe Jesus is God. They do not believe Jesus is God the Son. They believe that Jesus is divine. They believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Sound doctrine shouldn't need non-biblical terms.
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Post by Mary on Apr 20, 2015 6:10:22 GMT -5
Non Biblical terms like convention, meeting instead of church in their home, and all the non Biblical words your fellowship uses. What about the emblems, communion, santification, rapture, pre mid or post millennium? Lots of words assigned for meaning.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Apr 20, 2015 6:14:14 GMT -5
Wasn't the sin offering always something of the earth - i.e. not divine? Wouldn't that hold true for the final sin offering too? The divine part of Jesus couldn't die, but the human part could - and that was the part that was of the earth like all sin offerings were.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 6:47:37 GMT -5
Non Biblical terms like convention, meeting instead of church in their home, and all the non Biblical words your fellowship uses. What about the emblems, communion, santification, rapture, pre mid or post millennium? Lots of words assigned for meaning. Sorry on my way out just looked at my phone, I have to say this what about Trinity?
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Post by fred on Apr 20, 2015 7:06:09 GMT -5
Wasn't the sin offering always something of the earth - i.e. not divine? Wouldn't that hold true for the final sin offering too? The divine part of Jesus couldn't die, but the human part could - and that was the part that was of the earth like all sin offerings were. Would this mean that Jesus' sacrifice was the same as all previous sin offerings and therefore not able to wipe away the sins of man. I believe you might need to rethink this one Jesse.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Apr 20, 2015 7:08:14 GMT -5
Would this mean that Jesus' sacrifice was the same as all previous sin offerings and therefore not able to wipe away the sins of man. I believe you might need to rethink this one Jesse. No that's not what it means, it's not the same. Animals do not have an everlasting divine part. Did the divine part of Jesus die?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Apr 20, 2015 7:53:51 GMT -5
Romans 8 Hebrews 9,10
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Apr 20, 2015 8:09:21 GMT -5
"They, they, their, they, the 2x2s, - omit and ignore."
Ross, are we all condemned to hell for all that?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Apr 20, 2015 8:22:09 GMT -5
Any Christian who Jesus has saved and justified but who has not professed through a worker or been baptised by one, is declared unsaved and is going to hell. This is also regularly preached. Great example of someone doing exactly what they criticise others for doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 10:36:19 GMT -5
The scriptures teach us that Jesus has gone back to Heaven and is sitting at the right hand of God mediating on our behalf; or am I misunderstanding something. Jesus said he has gone back to heaven and is sitting at the right hand of God mediating on our behalf. What form or Spirit did Jesus have in heaven before he came down to earth to live in human body as the son of man Jesus. Can you tell us who live in heaven? God and angels, right? Who do you think Jesus was in heaven before he came down to earth. God or an angel?Gosh, If I could answer that with all certainty I would have to be an angel myself who have been there, surveyed all the surroundings and be familiar with everything there. Unfortunately I am a just a simple ageing human mortal being and a believer who is dependant on my scriptural knowledge and teachings which may or may not be flawed. I am not so presumptuous as to to pretend that I know everything about God and Heaven or Hell for that matter, but I am willing to learn. :)let me make an educated guess - a Holy Spirit?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 10:45:40 GMT -5
Gosh, If I could answer that with all certainty I would have to be an angel myself who have been there, surveyed all the surroundings and be familiar with everything there. Unfortunately I am a just simple human mortal being and a believer who is dependant on my scriptural knowledge and teachings which may or may not be flawed. I am not so presumptuous to pretend that I know everything about God and Heaven or Hell; but I am willing to learn. Just take a few minutes and think... We know God and his angels live in heaven. So, was Jesus an angel when he lived in heaven with the Father before coming down to earth?A very special angel, so here we go. I am in the Father and the Father is in me- very special.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 11:16:26 GMT -5
A very special angel, so here we go. I am in the Father and the Father is in me- very special. Jesus was NOT a special angel. Jesus created ALL of the angels of God. He is their Creator, ALL of the angels worship Him. God the Father called the Son/Jesus "Lord and God" in Hebrews 1:1-14
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
The Son Superior to Angels
For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”?
Or again,“I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”
In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.”
8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”
10 He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.”
13 To which of the angels did God ever say, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?
14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
Well not all, the fallen angel = satan, doesn't he befriends and entices those who will not inherit salvation, and if I am not mistaken he probably has his own angels. God never took away his power, you know that already.
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Post by Mary on Apr 20, 2015 11:34:30 GMT -5
Non Biblical terms like convention, meeting instead of church in their home, and all the non Biblical words your fellowship uses. What about the emblems, communion, santification, rapture, pre mid or post millennium? Lots of words assigned for meaning. Sorry on my way out just looked at my phone, I have to say this what about Trinity? Maryhig, my post was in response to fixit's post about the trinity in which he said, 'sound doctrine should not need unbiblical terms' Which I took as him saying the word trinity is not in the Bible. I pointed out that his fellowship also uses unbiblical terms for things too.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 20, 2015 11:38:43 GMT -5
Jesus said he has gone back to heaven and is sitting at the right hand of God mediating on our behalf. What form or Spirit did Jesus have in heaven before he came down to earth to live in human body as the son of man Jesus. Can you tell us who live in heaven? God and angels, right? Who do you think Jesus was in heaven before he came down to earth. God or an angel? Gosh, If I could answer that with all certainty I would have to be an angel myself who have been there, surveyed all the surroundings and be familiar with everything there. Unfortunately I am a just a simple ageing human mortal being and a believer who is dependant on my scriptural knowledge and teachings which may or may not be flawed. I am not so presumptuous as to to pretend that I know everything about God and Heaven or Hell for that matter, but I am willing to learn. :)let me make an educated guess - a Holy Spirit? Or maybe the Christ
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Post by withlove on Apr 20, 2015 12:05:41 GMT -5
Maryhig, you have gotten some answers already and I imagine they are all true. I have no memory of the trinity being preached. This is an interesting topic--had no idea that it had been preached and then the doctrine dropped as some are saying.
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Post by responding on Apr 20, 2015 14:18:23 GMT -5
The confusion arises because most Americans, even Roman Catholics, don't know what the trinity doctrine entails. It isn't a question of the obvious truth of Jesus being divine or being with God his Father before the world was created, as the Bible clearly teaches. Trinity stresses the concept of God being born of Mary, the eternal virgin, who was also born of a virgin (thus without "sin") and only thus could God be born of a woman.
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Post by Mary on Apr 20, 2015 14:40:05 GMT -5
Never heard that Mary and born of a Virgin which means her mother and grandmother were virgins? Never heard of such a thing. Mary married and had other chiLdren. She was virgin when she had Jesus.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Apr 20, 2015 15:16:13 GMT -5
Great example of someone doing exactly what they criticise others for doing. Not quite Jesse - the Bible insists that worship is to be directed to God alone. If Christ is not God (the Son) any worship of Him contravenes God's word. Not my words Jesse - simply God's words. So then we are condemned to hell?
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