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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 20:39:07 GMT -5
I have been wondering about something and decided to post it on here for discussion. I'm wondering how many races of people existed before the flood? Okay, now, after the flood, it's my understanding ALL human life was wiped out! (Except Noah and his family). Now, where did all the races come from after that?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 20, 2014 20:43:19 GMT -5
I have been wondering about something and decided to post it on here for discussion. I'm wondering how many races of people existed before the flood? Okay, now, after the flood, it's my understanding ALL human life was wiped out! (Except Noah and his family). Now, where did all the races come from after that? There was different colored mud in different parts of the earth. Have you ever thought that possibly your wondering helped you stumble upon a problem with the story? What stupid person would even think of such a question to begin with?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 21:54:03 GMT -5
Thanks Bob. While I'm at it ... in regards to the 7 of every kind Noah took on board his ARK ... I wonder why ol Noah didn't just SWAT those flies!!! Ha!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 22:11:17 GMT -5
I have been wondering about something and decided to post it on here for discussion. I'm wondering how many races of people existed before the flood? Okay, now, after the flood, it's my understanding ALL human life was wiped out! (Except Noah and his family). Now, where did all the races come from after that? well as far as we know there was just one race before the flood...after the flood each one of noahs sons spawned a different race i have a map in an atlas that shows where each of noahs sons children went hams went south into egypt and ethiopia, shems stayed in the middle east and points east of there, and japheths children went north and west into europe.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 20, 2014 22:36:35 GMT -5
I have been wondering about something and decided to post it on here for discussion. I'm wondering how many races of people existed before the flood? Okay, now, after the flood, it's my understanding ALL human life was wiped out! (Except Noah and his family). Now, where did all the races come from after that? well as far as we know there was just one race before the flood.. Do we actually KNOW that? Sounds like something some religious person made up.
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Post by snow on Dec 20, 2014 22:47:32 GMT -5
What flood?
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Post by xna on Dec 20, 2014 22:51:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 9:50:56 GMT -5
Interesting Wally ... I had learned this same thing in the past and didn't recall there was only one race before the flood. I'm curious too as to what race Jesus Christ was. I know the Bible says that God is in the form of a "spirit" ... was Jesus, in human form, a mixture of all the races that were created after the flood, or was he of just one race? Of course, we know who his parents were; but, what race were his parents? What I'm getting at ... the race of his parents can be traced, so this means he wasn't a mixture of ALL the races?
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Post by placid-void on Dec 21, 2014 11:48:46 GMT -5
Only recently, I learned of a “near extinction” event that may have occurred approximately 70,000 years ago. Some suggest that the homo sapiens species may have been reduced to as few as 2000 individuals following that event. Here is a link from the popular press: io9.com/5501565/extinction-events-that-almost-wiped-out-humans . This comment from the article, speaks directly to your question: “The really interesting thing about a population bottleneck is the effect it has on evolution. With a small population, mutations get passed through a very large percentage of the species' members. Detrimental mutations could be devastating and lead to outright extinction. Beneficial mutations, however, could cause fairly fast shifts in the population. And if you imagine some kind of tribal arrangement in which a few dominant males were responsible for a lot of the procreation going on, this situation becomes even more pronounced. An entirely new species might be created within a few generations. Anthropologists have proposed that such bottlenecks were responsible for the rapid development of hominids.” Interesting topic.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 21, 2014 12:03:01 GMT -5
I have been wondering about something and decided to post it on here for discussion. I'm wondering how many races of people existed before the flood? Okay, now, after the flood, it's my understanding ALL human life was wiped out! (Except Noah and his family). Now, where did all the races come from after that? There was different colored mud in different parts of the earth. Have you ever thought that possibly your wondering helped you stumble upon a problem with the story? What stupid person would even think of such a question to begin with? Aren't some mongoloids from incest?
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Post by placid-void on Dec 21, 2014 12:11:01 GMT -5
The archaeologist Leonard Woolley discovered evidence for one flood as his team dug through the ruins of Ur. They found eight feet of clean soil between two layers of pottery and flint implements. Don't know, just sayin'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 12:59:05 GMT -5
Interesting Wally ... I had learned this same thing in the past and didn't recall there was only one race before the flood. I'm curious too as to what race Jesus Christ was. I know the Bible says that God is in the form of a "spirit" ... was Jesus, in human form, a mixture of all the races that were created after the flood, or was he of just one race? Of course, we know who his parents were; but, what race were his parents? What I'm getting at ... the race of his parents can be traced, so this means he wasn't a mixture of ALL the races? Jesus is from shem i believe that would make him middle eastern or eastern in origin...
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Post by snow on Dec 21, 2014 14:26:59 GMT -5
The archaeologist Leonard Woolley discovered evidence for one flood as his team dug through the ruins of Ur. They found eight feet of clean soil between two layers of pottery and flint implements. Don't know, just sayin' Was it world wide as stated? From what I have read there is absolutely no evidence of a world wide flood. Nor is it possible if one really thinks about it.
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Post by snow on Dec 21, 2014 14:30:26 GMT -5
Only recently, I learned of a “near extinction” event that may have occurred approximately 70,000 years ago. Some suggest that the homo sapiens species may have been reduced to as few as 2000 individuals following that event. Here is a link from the popular press: io9.com/5501565/extinction-events-that-almost-wiped-out-humans . This comment from the article, speaks directly to your question: “The really interesting thing about a population bottleneck is the effect it has on evolution. With a small population, mutations get passed through a very large percentage of the species' members. Detrimental mutations could be devastating and lead to outright extinction. Beneficial mutations, however, could cause fairly fast shifts in the population. And if you imagine some kind of tribal arrangement in which a few dominant males were responsible for a lot of the procreation going on, this situation becomes even more pronounced. An entirely new species might be created within a few generations. Anthropologists have proposed that such bottlenecks were responsible for the rapid development of hominids.” Interesting topic. Interesting that the extinction is caused by 'fire' not 'water' as the bible states. And, it was many thousands of years BEFORE the earth was even created. How do these things happen...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 14:34:00 GMT -5
The archaeologist Leonard Woolley discovered evidence for one flood as his team dug through the ruins of Ur. They found eight feet of clean soil between two layers of pottery and flint implements. Don't know, just sayin' Was it world wide as stated? From what I have read there is absolutely no evidence of a world wide flood. Nor is it possible if one really thinks about it. www.allaboutcreation.org/fossil-fish-faq.htm
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Post by placid-void on Dec 21, 2014 14:43:59 GMT -5
Was it world wide as stated? From what I have read there is absolutely no evidence of a world wide flood. Nor is it possible if one really thinks about it. Whose (perception of) world-wide?
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Post by placid-void on Dec 21, 2014 14:50:39 GMT -5
Was it world wide as stated? From what I have read there is absolutely no evidence of a world wide flood. Nor is it possible if one really thinks about it. Some who have really thought about it, disagree, and made a model to make their point . . . . . metro.co.uk/2008/12/31/early-earth-was-covered-in-water-274995/ just sayin' . . . . .
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 21, 2014 14:54:57 GMT -5
Only recently, I learned of a “near extinction” event that may have occurred approximately 70,000 years ago. Some suggest that the homo sapiens species may have been reduced to as few as 2000 individuals following that event. Here is a link from the popular press: io9.com/5501565/extinction-events-that-almost-wiped-out-humans . This comment from the article, speaks directly to your question: “The really interesting thing about a population bottleneck is the effect it has on evolution. With a small population, mutations get passed through a very large percentage of the species' members. Detrimental mutations could be devastating and lead to outright extinction. Beneficial mutations, however, could cause fairly fast shifts in the population. And if you imagine some kind of tribal arrangement in which a few dominant males were responsible for a lot of the procreation going on, this situation becomes even more pronounced. An entirely new species might be created within a few generations. Anthropologists have proposed that such bottlenecks were responsible for the rapid development of hominids.”
Interesting topic. Yes! that is an interesting topic! It makes a lot of sense! Thanks, yknot.
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 21, 2014 14:56:42 GMT -5
Understanding a bit about "genre" is a big asset in the reading different books of the bible. Likewise, when reading any book. What genre are we reading here? Not that I have it figured out.... but it helps. Alvin oops mine was in response to "whose perception" that yknot had helpfully posed.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 21, 2014 15:28:10 GMT -5
Understanding a bit about "genre" is a big asset in the reading different books of the bible. Likewise, when reading any book. What genre are we reading here? Not that I have it figured out.... but it helps. Alvin oops mine was in response to "whose perception" that yknot had helpfully posed. Understanding a bit about "genre" is a big asset in the reading different books of the bible. Likewise, when reading any book. What genre are we reading here? Not that I have it figured out.... but it helps. Alvin oops mine was in response to "whose perception" that yknot had helpfully posed. About perception:
When you consider where the Hebrews were living, -in a valley between the Tigrus & Euphrates rivers (Mesopotamia) -with a lot of mountains around them (at least to the north & east) wouldn't that have had a lot to do with how water was retained in that area causing a flood?
Since Mesopotamian was the only World the early Hebrews knew, wouldn't that have caused them to believe it was World wide flood?
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 21, 2014 15:35:10 GMT -5
could be. alvin
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Post by snow on Dec 21, 2014 15:36:38 GMT -5
Was it world wide as stated? From what I have read there is absolutely no evidence of a world wide flood. Nor is it possible if one really thinks about it. Whose (perception of) world-wide? That's the big question isn't it. A wide spread flood in the middle east would have appeared as the 'whole world'. From my perspective of 'worldwide' there is no way it could have happened.
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Post by snow on Dec 21, 2014 17:59:25 GMT -5
That's the big question isn't it. A wide spread flood in the middle east would have appeared as the 'whole world'. From my perspective of 'worldwide' there is no way it could have happened. How tall is the highest mountain?
Here is a list of the ten highest peaks in the world, as measured from sea level. As you can see, eight of them are in or partially in Nepal:
Name Country Continent Meters Feet Mount Everest China, Nepal Asia 8,850 29,035 K2 China, Pakistan Asia 8,611 28,251 Kangchenjunga India, Nepal Asia 8,586 28,169 Lhotse China, Nepal Asia 8,516 27,940 Makalu China, Nepal Asia 8,485 27,838 Kangchenjunga South India, Nepal Asia 8,76 27,808 Lhotse Middle Nepal Asia 8,430 27,657 Kangchenjunga West Nepal Asia 8,420 27,25 Lhotse Shar Nepal Asia 8,400 27,559 Cho Oyu China, Nepal Asia 8,201 26,906
Gen 7:11-12 Noah was 600 years old. It was the 17th day of the second month of the year. On that day all of the springs at the bottom of the oceans burst open. God opened the windows of the skies. Rain fell on the earth for 40 days and 40 nights. For 40 days the flood kept coming on the earth. As the waters rose higher, they lifted the ark high above the earth. The waters rose higher and higher on the earth. And the ark floated on the water. The waters rose on the earth until all of the high mountains under the entire sky were covered. The waters continued to rise until they covered the mountains by more than 20 feet. Every living thing that moved on the earth died. The birds, the livestock and the wild animals died. All of the creatures that fill the earth also died. And so did every human being. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in it died. Every living thing on the earth was wiped out. People and animals were destroyed. The creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped out. Everything was destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark were left.Then how did they survive after they got out of the ark? Everything would have been destroyed. Even if they took seeds on board with them they would have to wait for any of it to grow so they could eat. Why do some versions say that Noah took 7 each and another version says he took 2 of each. The story is a revamp of the Sumarian myth of the great flood which was taken from earlier sources, likely oral in nature. I have no problem believing the region had a great flood, but the whole world? No way I can believe that. www.livius.org/fa-fn/flood/flood2.html
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 18:05:56 GMT -5
How tall is the highest mountain?
Here is a list of the ten highest peaks in the world, as measured from sea level. As you can see, eight of them are in or partially in Nepal:
Name Country Continent Meters Feet Mount Everest China, Nepal Asia 8,850 29,035 K2 China, Pakistan Asia 8,611 28,251 Kangchenjunga India, Nepal Asia 8,586 28,169 Lhotse China, Nepal Asia 8,516 27,940 Makalu China, Nepal Asia 8,485 27,838 Kangchenjunga South India, Nepal Asia 8,76 27,808 Lhotse Middle Nepal Asia 8,430 27,657 Kangchenjunga West Nepal Asia 8,420 27,25 Lhotse Shar Nepal Asia 8,400 27,559 Cho Oyu China, Nepal Asia 8,201 26,906
Gen 7:11-12 Noah was 600 years old. It was the 17th day of the second month of the year. On that day all of the springs at the bottom of the oceans burst open. God opened the windows of the skies. Rain fell on the earth for 40 days and 40 nights. For 40 days the flood kept coming on the earth. As the waters rose higher, they lifted the ark high above the earth. The waters rose higher and higher on the earth. And the ark floated on the water. The waters rose on the earth until all of the high mountains under the entire sky were covered. The waters continued to rise until they covered the mountains by more than 20 feet. Every living thing that moved on the earth died. The birds, the livestock and the wild animals died. All of the creatures that fill the earth also died. And so did every human being. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in it died. Every living thing on the earth was wiped out. People and animals were destroyed. The creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped out. Everything was destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark were left. Then how did they survive after they got out of the ark? Everything would have been destroyed. Even if they took seeds on board with them they would have to wait for any of it to grow so they could eat. Why do some versions say that Noah took 7 each and another version says he took 2 of each. The story is a revamp of the Sumarian myth of the great flood which was taken from earlier sources, likely oral in nature. I have no problem believing the region had a great flood, but the whole world? No way I can believe that. www.livius.org/fa-fn/flood/flood2.htmlGen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Gen 7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. Gen_7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 18:14:37 GMT -5
Wally you said that Jesus was from Shem, and must have been of Eastern or Middle Eastern origin, so this would mean he could not have been Caucasian with blue eyes ... like in some of the "fake" pictures of him ... right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 18:16:10 GMT -5
Wasn't Noah's ark actually found on Mount Ararat in Turkey?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 18:17:14 GMT -5
Wally you said that Jesus was from Shem, and must have been of Eastern or Middle Eastern origin, so this would mean he could not have been Caucasian with blue eyes ... like in some of the "fake" pictures of him ... right? correct he was most likely brown haired brown eyed and brown skinned...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 18:23:33 GMT -5
Wasn't Noah's ark actually found on Mount Ararat in Turkey? yes i forget the name of the explorer who seen it first, most recently a team of people visited the ark and it was still there buried in the ice....
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