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Post by snow on Dec 23, 2014 14:44:41 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Dec 23, 2014 15:49:50 GMT -5
Without the Flood/water there wouldn't be ANY rainbow today! There was NO rainbow before the flood. There was NO rain before the flood, so there wouldn't be any rainbow, period. The rainbow appeared AFTER the flood because God made it as a covenant with Noah. The Rainbow was God's promised to mankind and all animals He wouldn't Flood the earth again with Water. The day is coming when God will destroy the earth again and this time with FIRE! from heaven. II Peter 3:7-13 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
Big Flood - The last big one in that part of the world was 5.3 million years ago when Atlantic Ocean waters breached the strait of Gibraltar, sending a massive flood into the basin. youtu.be/0xQeEgPhSfIFirst water rain was about 4.1 billion years ago. Clouds formed as the Earth began to cool, producing enormous volumes of rainwater that formed the oceans. For the next 1.3 billion years (3.8 to 2.5 billion years ago), the Archean Period, first life began to appear and the world’s landmasses began www.ecology.com/2011/09/10/earths-beginnings-origins-life/www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfjps/1400/atmos_origin.html
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Post by xna on Dec 23, 2014 16:09:04 GMT -5
Was there NO RAIN before the flood?Question: I was told that there was no rain on earth before the Flood of Noah. Is this true? Answer: The scripture that mentions no rain before the flood is found in Genesis 2.
Well then i'm going with the Turtles All The Way Down story. www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWx6csgGkg4Lyrics: I've seen Jesus play with flames in a lake of fire that I was standing in Met the devil in Seattle and spent 9 months inside the lions den Met Buddha yet another time and he showed me a glowing light within But I swear that God is there every time I glare in the eyes of my best friend Says my son it's all been done and someday yer gonna wake up old and gray So go and try to have some fun showing warmth to everyone You meet and greet and cheat along the way There's a gateway in our mind that leads somewhere out there beyond this plane Where reptile aliens made of light cut you open and pull out all your pain Tell me how you make illegal something that we all make in our brain Some say you might go crazy but then again it might make you go sane Every time I take a look inside inside that old and fabled book I'm blinded and reminded of the pain caused by some old man in the sky Marijuana, LSD, psilocybin, and DMT they all changed the way I see But love's the only thing that ever saved my life So don't waste your mind on nursery rhymes Or fairy tales of blood and wine It's turtles all the way down the line So to each their own til' we go home To other realms our souls must roam To and through the myth that we all call space and time
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Post by xna on Dec 23, 2014 16:30:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 16:47:26 GMT -5
To the folks concluding that there must have been a global flood because many other traditions refer to a flood...are you imagining that there were people in other parts of the globe who survived to bear witness to the same flood that Noah reportedly experienced? Ummmmm, maybe they have forgotten to record and mention the other arks that were built in other parts of the globe where those other people and creatures survived. How long did the water remain on the earth?
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Post by xna on Dec 23, 2014 17:06:01 GMT -5
What do you think they found here in 2010?
according to www.wnd.com/2010/04/146941/“ This is not Noah’s Ark,” “ This is a fake. It’s a fraud and it’s of the highest caliber according to what I can assess from the evidence and talking to eyewitnesses and people from Turkey.” " ... the structure is a hoax perpetrated by a Kurdish guide and his partners to extort money from Chinese evangelical Christians " see also www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 17:17:29 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Dec 23, 2014 17:25:37 GMT -5
xna, I don't believe it's a hoax. There is evidence to show that other things have been found buried in ice previously. You got me on that one.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 23, 2014 18:18:45 GMT -5
Yeah, -sure!
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 23, 2014 20:48:46 GMT -5
How can the Flood be a MYTH? when they found Noah's Ark on the MT. Ararat/Turkey in 2010? Did somebody built Noah's Ark and haul it up on the mountain Ararat at 4000 meter level- 2.5 mile high with ropes just for the fun of it? Has anyone ever read you a fairy tale, Nathan? They should have -- there are fairy tales for every natural phenomena.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 21:00:57 GMT -5
To the folks concluding that there must have been a global flood because many other traditions refer to a flood...are you imagining that there were people in other parts of the globe who survived to bear witness to the same flood that Noah reportedly experienced? Ummmmm, maybe they have forgotten to record and mention the other arks that were built in other parts of the globe where those other people and creatures survived. How long did the water remain on the earth? 370 days or some say 1 year and 10 days.... "40 --the number of days it rained (Gen 7:17) 110 --the number of days "the waters prevailed on the earth" (Gen 7:24) 73 -the number days the waters "decreased" ( Gen 8:4,5) 40 --assuming "end of forty days" followed the previous 73 days (Gen 8:6) 7 --days waiting for the dove to return 7--days waiting for the second time he sent out the dove 7 --days waiting till he sent out the third dove 29 --days needed to finish out "601 year, 1st month, 1st day" (Gen 8:13) 57 --days needed to finish out "2nd month, 27th day, the earth was dried" " www.answers.com/Q/How_long_did_Noah%27s_flood_last
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Post by blacksheep on Dec 23, 2014 21:25:38 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Dec 23, 2014 21:36:21 GMT -5
I like this one better.
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Post by emy on Dec 23, 2014 22:06:21 GMT -5
<sniP> I like this one better. But she never puts her fingers in the bag!!!
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Post by xna on Dec 23, 2014 22:24:02 GMT -5
But she never puts her fingers in the bag!!! Must be a modern day miracle, like the loaves and fishes.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 23, 2014 22:58:44 GMT -5
God left the Ark on Mt. Ararat intact as an evidence to the world that the flood had taken place so, people couldn't say the flood was a MYTH or it didn't happen. You made that up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 0:38:45 GMT -5
<sniP> I like this one better. But she never puts her fingers in the bag!!! like modern day mana, the bag never gets empty
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Post by rational on Dec 24, 2014 1:02:59 GMT -5
Without the Flood/water there wouldn't be ANY rainbow today! There was NO rainbow before the flood. There was NO rain before the flood, so there wouldn't be any rainbow, period. The rainbow appeared AFTER the flood because God made it as a covenant with Noah. The Rainbow was God's promised to mankind and all animals He wouldn't Flood the earth again with Water. Genesis 2:10-14 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates. NathanB - without some sort of water transport, where did the water for these 4 rivers come from?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 24, 2014 3:10:22 GMT -5
Interesting Wally ... I had learned this same thing in the past and didn't recall there was only one race before the flood. I'm curious too as to what race Jesus Christ was. I know the Bible says that God is in the form of a "spirit" ... was Jesus, in human form, a mixture of all the races that were created after the flood, or was he of just one race? Of course, we know who his parents were; but, what race were his parents? What I'm getting at ... the race of his parents can be traced, so this means he wasn't a mixture of ALL the races? Jesus is from shem i believe that would make him middle eastern or eastern in origin... Wally, interesting what you say here and I take it as gospel as I havn't the time to check it out. Have you ever seen paintings Of Jesus, blue eyed, blonde haired and of fair complexion. Religion and religious art have westernised Jesus but the reality is he was most likely a dark skinned Arabic looking chap.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 24, 2014 3:13:32 GMT -5
Wasn't Noah's ark actually found on Mount Ararat in Turkey? yes i forget the name of the explorer who seen it first, most recently a team of people visited the ark and it was still there buried in the ice.... yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 24, 2014 3:16:23 GMT -5
Right Nathan, that's the only answer that can work. "With God nothing is impossible". Otherwise it is totally illogical. There is no way there was enough water on or in earth to completely cover the earth then somehow magically just recede to some mysterious place so the aliens can live in the hollow earth again. It definitely would take a miracle because there is no other way this can be explained. You are correct, it's Impossible for the highest mountains on earth to be covered with water unless God rained from above the earth and for the ocean in hollow earth opened up. All of the water on the ocean on the surface CAN'T cover the highest mountain on earth. It took a lot of water from above and below to cover the whole earth and the highest mountains on the surface.Here is a list of the ten highest peaks in the world, as measured from sea level. As you can see, eight of them are in or partially in Nepal: Name Country Continent Meters Feet Mount Everest China, Nepal Asia 8,850 29,035 K2 China, Pakistan Asia 8,611 28,251 Kangchenjunga India, Nepal Asia 8,586 28,169 Lhotse China, Nepal Asia 8,516 27,940 Makalu China, Nepal Asia 8,485 27,838 Kangchenjunga South India, Nepal Asia 8,76 27,808 Lhotse Middle Nepal Asia 8,430 27,657 Kangchenjunga West Nepal Asia 8,420 27,25 Lhotse Shar Nepal Asia 8,400 27,559 Cho Oyu China, Nepal Asia 8,201 26,906 That list is wildly wrong, just sayin. been there done that
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 24, 2014 3:20:14 GMT -5
Here is a list of the eight thousanders
Mount Everest/ Sagarmatha/ Chomolungma 8,848[8] 29,029 Mahalangur Himalaya 27°59′17″N 86°55′31″E 8,848 none 1953 >>145 (121) 2 K2/Qogir/ Godwin Austen 8,611 28,251 Baltoro Karakoram 35°52′53″N 76°30′48″E 4,017 Mount Everest [9] 1954 45 (44) 3 Kangchenjunga 8,586 28,169 Kangchenjunga Himalaya 27°42′12″N 88°08′51″E * 3,922 Mount Everest 1955 38 (24) 4 Lhotse 8,516 27,940 Mahalangur Himalaya 27°57′42″N 86°55′59″E 610 Mount Everest 1956 26 (26) 5 Makalu 8,485 27,838 Mahalangur Himalaya 27°53′23″N 87°5′20″E 2,386 Mount Everest 1955 45 (52) 6 Cho Oyu 8,188 26,864 Mahalangur Himalaya 28°05′39″N 86°39′39″E 2,340 Mount Everest 1954 79 (28) 7 Dhaulagiri I 8,167 26,795 Dhaulagiri Himalaya 28°41′48″N 83°29′35″E 3,357 K2 1960 51 (39) 8 Manaslu 8,163 26,781 Manaslu Himalaya 28°33′00″N 84°33′35″E 3,092 Cho Oyu 1956 49 (45) 9 Nanga Parbat 8,126 26,660 Nanga Parbat Himalaya 35°14′14″N 74°35′21″E 4,608 Dhaulagiri 1953 52 (67) 10 Annapurna I 8,091 26,545 Annapurna Himalaya 28°35′44″N 83°49′13″E 2,984 Cho Oyu 1950 36 (47) 11 Gasherbrum I/ Hidden Peak/K5 8,080 26,509 Baltoro Karakoram 35°43′28″N 76°41′47″E 2,155 K2 1958 31 (16) 12 Broad Peak/K3 8,051 26,414 Baltoro Karakoram 35°48′38″N 76°34′06″E 1,701 Gasherbrum I 1957 39 (19) 13 Gasherbrum II/K4 8,035 26,362 Baltoro Karakoram 35°45′28″N 76°39′12″E 1,524 Gasherbrum I 1956 54 (12) 14 Shishapangma 8,027 26,335 Jugal Himalaya 28°21′12″N 85°46′43″E 2,897 Cho Oyu 1964 43 (19)
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 24, 2014 4:39:11 GMT -5
Has anyone ever read you a fairy tale, Nathan? They should have -- there are fairy tales for every natural phenomena. Are you saying the Flood and Noah's Ark a fairy tale?No - I'm suggesting that you have a difficult time distinguishing between someone telling you the truth and someone who is just leading you on with a silly story.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 24, 2014 4:43:00 GMT -5
I didn't make it up... It's ALL in the Bible... The Flood, Noah's Ark and Noah family ... and the Ark landed on MT. Ararat. Genesis 8:4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
Don't you believe in the Bible or God's words anymore, Bob? Come on, Nathan. The Bible does not say that God left the ark there in the mountain for all that time just so people today would know that there was a flood. The Bible doesn't say that at all. You just made something up about God doing something so you would sound authoritative.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 24, 2014 4:44:19 GMT -5
Genesis 2:10-14 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates. NathanB - without some sort of water transport, where did the water for these 4 rivers come from? There was water/rivers but no rain! before the FLOOD.The ladies upstream must have been pumping really hard out of those deep wells up there.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 24, 2014 4:45:38 GMT -5
No - I'm suggesting that you have a difficult time distinguishing between someone telling you the truth and someone who is just leading you on with a silly story. What silly story are you talking about?
The silly story about God leaving the ark there just so we would find it an believe something. That's not in the Bible.
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Post by placid-void on Dec 24, 2014 9:22:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 12:00:43 GMT -5
But she never puts her fingers in the bag!!! Must be a modern day miracle, like the loaves and fishes. Yes, and in your avatar it looks like somebody is trying to perform a miracle too by walking from the edge of the cliff to cloud 9.
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