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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 2:58:11 GMT -5
So that unity could be in a church that has robes and cathedrals then ? Or are you saying Christ is only in the 2x2's ? i don't see Christ in anything that is not of God to me those are of human pride and thinking
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 4, 2014 20:13:33 GMT -5
So that unity could be in a church that has robes and cathedrals then ? Or are you saying Christ is only in the 2x2's ? i don't see Christ in anything that is not of God to me those are of human pride and thinking Virgo from your above quote are you saying that because YOU don't see Christ in the Catholic, Presbyterian, Anglican Church that they are not of God ? The next question would be who made you the judge ? I thought God was the judge ?
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Post by mdm on Dec 4, 2014 22:24:47 GMT -5
In the bigger picture of the kingdom of god. How do churches come to agreement understanding and unity? By being open to change. Putting aside doctrinal differences and agreeing to work together for the commongood of man and the purposes of god. In heaven where do you think denominations fit in? If we cant agree on earth? You wonder why so many leave churches. there is only one way for oneness/unity, Christ has to be in all and through all, Christ is it and nothing else the problem is that man has and always will do is want to have his say, what he things is important to man. unfortunately for man that is not the path God has set out the path is that man's say or thoughts mean nothing to God it Christ or nothing cathedrals, churches, special robes, crosses, ceremonies etc are from man's thoughts not God, they are not included in the path God prepared through His Son As long as they are not trusting in cathedrals, robes, ceremonies etc, they are probably OK. The same goes for convention grounds, meeting types and protocols, the custom of "professing," buns, skirts, ties. We all have to "work out our own salvation" individually and independently from the church and its traditions. The church may help or not, but it's ultimately up to each and every one of us, and doesn't depend on the church we belong to. Unity of spirit can exist between individuals regardless of the church/traditions they belong to, because they recognize a child of God in each other. Traditions and outward characteristics can give us a sense of unity and belonging, but it's really just our comfort zone, especially if one was B&R in that tradition. Traditions and outward things can also prevent us from recognizing a child of God outside of our tradition if our tradition teaches us that one has to belong to that tradition or adhere to certain outward characteristics in order to be a child of God.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 0:40:29 GMT -5
i don't see Christ in anything that is not of God to me those are of human pride and thinking Virgo from your above quote are you saying that because YOU don't see Christ in the Catholic, Presbyterian, Anglican Church that they are not of God ? The next question would be who made you the judge ? I thought God was the judge ? you judging me?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 0:45:56 GMT -5
there is only one way for oneness/unity, Christ has to be in all and through all, Christ is it and nothing else the problem is that man has and always will do is want to have his say, what he things is important to man. unfortunately for man that is not the path God has set out the path is that man's say or thoughts mean nothing to God it Christ or nothing cathedrals, churches, special robes, crosses, ceremonies etc are from man's thoughts not God, they are not included in the path God prepared through His Son As long as they are not trusting in cathedrals, robes, ceremonies etc, they are probably OK. The same goes for convention grounds, meeting types and protocols, the custom of "professing," buns, skirts, ties. We all have to "work out our own salvation" individually and independently from the church and its traditions. The church may help or not, but it's ultimately up to each and every one of us, and doesn't depend on the church we belong to. Unity of spirit can exist between individuals regardless of the church/traditions they belong to, because they recognize a child of God in each other. Traditions and outward characteristics can give us a sense of unity and belonging, but it's really just our comfort zone, especially if one was B&R in that tradition. Traditions and outward things can also prevent us from recognizing a child of God outside of our tradition if our tradition teaches us that one has to belong to that tradition or adhere to certain outward characteristics in order to be a child of God. Jesus had plenty to say about tradition
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Post by mdm on Dec 5, 2014 11:08:22 GMT -5
As long as they are not trusting in cathedrals, robes, ceremonies etc, they are probably OK. The same goes for convention grounds, meeting types and protocols, the custom of "professing," buns, skirts, ties. We all have to "work out our own salvation" individually and independently from the church and its traditions. The church may help or not, but it's ultimately up to each and every one of us, and doesn't depend on the church we belong to. Unity of spirit can exist between individuals regardless of the church/traditions they belong to, because they recognize a child of God in each other. Traditions and outward characteristics can give us a sense of unity and belonging, but it's really just our comfort zone, especially if one was B&R in that tradition. Traditions and outward things can also prevent us from recognizing a child of God outside of our tradition if our tradition teaches us that one has to belong to that tradition or adhere to certain outward characteristics in order to be a child of God. Jesus had plenty to say about tradition F&W have plenty of tradition themselves - why point fingers at others? My point is that as long as we are not trusting in those traditions and holding them up as the sign of being a child of God or as necessary for salvation or a sign of unity, we can probably get away with them.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 5, 2014 22:53:04 GMT -5
Virgo from your above quote are you saying that because YOU don't see Christ in the Catholic, Presbyterian, Anglican Church that they are not of God ? The next question would be who made you the judge ? I thought God was the judge ? you judging me? YOU were judging churches on whether YOU seen Christ in them Virgo. Maybe you need to re-read what you wrote But then again you seem to make a lot of statements about things but don't back them up, which is fine ....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 1:49:44 GMT -5
YOU were judging churches on whether YOU seen Christ in them Virgo. Maybe you need to re-read what you wrote But then again you seem to make a lot of statements about things but don't back them up, which is fine .... now you can furnish the post where i stated i don't see Christ in them [churches]
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 6, 2014 2:31:36 GMT -5
In the bigger picture of the kingdom of god. How do churches come to agreement understanding and unity? By being open to change. Putting aside doctrinal differences and agreeing to work together for the commongood of man and the purposes of god. In heaven where do you think denominations fit in? If we cant agree on earth? You wonder why so many leave churches. there is only one way for oneness/unity, Christ has to be in all and through all, Christ is it and nothing else the problem is that man has and always will do is want to have his say, what he things is important to man. unfortunately for man that is not the path God has set out the path is that man's say or thoughts mean nothing to God it Christ or nothing cathedrals, churches, special robes, crosses, ceremonies etc are from man's thoughts not God, they are not included in the path God prepared through His Son there is only one way for oneness/unity, Christ has to be in all and through all, Christ is it and nothing else the problem is that man has and always will do is want to have his say, what he things is important to man. unfortunately for man that is not the path God has set out the path is that man's say or thoughts mean nothing to God it Christ or nothing cathedrals, churches, special robes, crosses, ceremonies etc are from man's thoughts not God, they are not included in the path God prepared through His Son
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 6, 2014 2:35:10 GMT -5
So that unity could be in a church that has robes and cathedrals then ? Or are you saying Christ is only in the 2x2's ? i don't see Christ in anything that is not of God to me those are of human pride and thinking
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 3:38:06 GMT -5
i don't see Christ in anything that is not of God to me those are of human pride and thinking that does not say or even suggest i don't see Christ in them [churches] why you are making up stories. perhaps if you read things properly instead of looking for someway to accuse people you might get people answering you questions read this again it is really quite simple to understand, i don't see Christ in anything that is not of God. see it does not mention churches of any shape or form like you say it does i will ask you, do you see Christ in anything that is not of God? if so how and what?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 3:41:00 GMT -5
there is only one way for oneness/unity, Christ has to be in all and through all, Christ is it and nothing else the problem is that man has and always will do is want to have his say, what he things is important to man. unfortunately for man that is not the path God has set out the path is that man's say or thoughts mean nothing to God it Christ or nothing cathedrals, churches, special robes, crosses, ceremonies etc are from man's thoughts not God, they are not included in the path God prepared through His Son there is only one way for oneness/unity, Christ has to be in all and through all, Christ is it and nothing else the problem is that man has and always will do is want to have his say, what he things is important to man. unfortunately for man that is not the path God has set out the path is that man's say or thoughts mean nothing to God it Christ or nothing cathedrals, churches, special robes, crosses, ceremonies etc are from man's thoughts not God, they are not included in the path God prepared through His Son this is speaking of Gods path through His Son maybe you maybe able to show me how cathedrals, churches, special robes, crosses, ceremonies etc are of Gods path through His Son?
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 6, 2014 4:36:07 GMT -5
Virgo you just answered your own question with your post above !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 18:39:52 GMT -5
Virgo you just answered your own question with your post above ! point out how i did and then please answer my questions
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 19:18:36 GMT -5
i don't see Christ in anything that is not of God to me those are of human pride and thinking Virgo from your above quote are you saying that because YOU don't see Christ in the Catholic, Presbyterian, Anglican Church that they are not of God ? The next question would be who made you the judge ? I thought God was the judge ? I don't think that because people wear robes and garments etc. in certain churches that they are not of God. Special Garments do have some significance in scripture. In Matthew 22 in the parable of the marriage feast we read about the significance of the Wedding Garment. That man that was invited to the feast did not wear one and as a result he was cast into outer darkness. I don't recall reading in scripture what clothing the Apostles wore in their day, however in all the impressions of Jesus shows Him as wearing a robe or a gown of some sort, a sort of Priestly garment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 20:00:11 GMT -5
Virgo from your above quote are you saying that because YOU don't see Christ in the Catholic, Presbyterian, Anglican Church that they are not of God ? The next question would be who made you the judge ? I thought God was the judge ? I don't think that because people wear robes and garments etc. in certain churches that they are not of God. Special Garments do have some significance in scripture. In Matthew 22 in the parable of the marriage feast we read about the significance of the Wedding Garment. That man that was invited to the feast did not wear one and as a result he was cast into outer darkness. I don't recall reading in scripture what clothing the Apostles wore in their day, however in all the impressions of Jesus shows Him as wearing a robe or a gown of some sort, a sort of Priestly garment. that particular parable was meant for the changing of our spiritual self(new wedding garment) into a new person bound by Christ....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 4:46:56 GMT -5
I don't think that because people wear robes and garments etc. in certain churches that they are not of God. Special Garments do have some significance in scripture. In Matthew 22 in the parable of the marriage feast we read about the significance of the Wedding Garment. That man that was invited to the feast did not wear one and as a result he was cast into outer darkness. I don't recall reading in scripture what clothing the Apostles wore in their day, however in all the impressions of Jesus shows Him as wearing a robe or a gown of some sort, a sort of Priestly garment. that particular parable was meant for the changing of our spiritual self(new wedding garment) into a new person bound by Christ.... Yes Wally so it was, but who is to say that the wearing of special clerical garments is not an outward indication of the continuation and maintenance of that change of the spiritual self? Who is to say that God does not appreciate the wearing of special clerical garments in reverence of His honour and in His worship? No man can read God's mind. Man tries to assume too much and make incorrect judgments for God, which may be regarded an abomination.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 7, 2014 21:30:39 GMT -5
Virgo you just answered your own question with your post above ! point out how i did and then please answer my questions Virgo, re-read your post two posts above this one ( your original one)
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 7, 2014 21:34:09 GMT -5
that does not say or even suggest i don't see Christ in them [churches] why you are making up stories. perhaps if you read things properly instead of looking for someway to accuse people you might get people answering you questions read this again it is really quite simple to understand, i don't see Christ in anything that is not of God. see it does not mention churches of any shape or form like you say it does i will ask you, do you see Christ in anything that is not of God? if so how and what? Virgo, I would never say that Christ in not in a church ( Catholic or otherwise ) because to my way of thinking that is Judging !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 0:07:14 GMT -5
that does not say or even suggest i don't see Christ in them [churches] why you are making up stories. perhaps if you read things properly instead of looking for someway to accuse people you might get people answering you questions read this again it is really quite simple to understand, i don't see Christ in anything that is not of God. see it does not mention churches of any shape or form like you say it does i will ask you, do you see Christ in anything that is not of God? if so how and what? Virgo, I would never say that Christ in not in a church ( Catholic or otherwise ) because to my way of thinking that is Judging ! that is your prerogative, am I allowed one? mind i don't think i said Christ was not in them, i just said i don't see Christ in them isn't that right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 0:09:36 GMT -5
that does not say or even suggest i don't see Christ in them [churches] why you are making up stories. perhaps if you read things properly instead of looking for someway to accuse people you might get people answering you questions read this again it is really quite simple to understand, i don't see Christ in anything that is not of God. see it does not mention churches of any shape or form like you say it does i will ask you, do you see Christ in anything that is not of God? if so how and what? Virgo, I would never say that Christ in not in a church ( Catholic or otherwise ) because to my way of thinking that is Judging ! mind you if you really looked at my question properly you would understand that Christ couldn't be in anything that is not of God
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Post by findingtruth on Dec 8, 2014 0:46:55 GMT -5
Jesus had plenty to say about tradition [/quote] He sure did! What do you personally see as tradition? Just curious.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 8, 2014 0:56:51 GMT -5
Virgo, I would never say that Christ in not in a church ( Catholic or otherwise ) because to my way of thinking that is Judging ! mind you if you really looked at my question properly you would understand that Christ couldn't be in anything that is not of God Ok, so can you give me an example of something you feel is not of God ? Are others Churches "of God" ? When you say "of God" what are you really meaning ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 8, 2014 0:59:08 GMT -5
Virgo, I would never say that Christ in not in a church ( Catholic or otherwise ) because to my way of thinking that is Judging ! that is your prerogative, am I allowed one? mind i don't think i said Christ was not in them, i just said i don't see Christ in them isn't that right? That is exactly what I meant ! You said YOU don't see Christ in them ! Can you not see that as judging by your own thoughts & ideas ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 1:10:58 GMT -5
that is your prerogative, am I allowed one? mind i don't think i said Christ was not in them, i just said i don't see Christ in them isn't that right? That is exactly what I meant ! You said YOU don't see Christ in them ! Can you not see that as judging by your own thoughts & ideas ? i don't see anybody on the bus doesn't mean there is none on the bus
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 1:13:47 GMT -5
Jesus had plenty to say about tradition He sure did! What do you personally see as tradition? Just curious. read the two something else threads
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 1:14:57 GMT -5
mind you if you really looked at my question properly you would understand that Christ couldn't be in anything that is not of God Ok, so can you give me an example of something you feel is not of God ? Are others Churches "of God" ? When you say "of God" what are you really meaning ? plenty in the two something else threads
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 8, 2014 1:28:31 GMT -5
Virgo again you have just confirmed what I said how many pages ago ! Who are we to say "We think a Church/Person is not of God ?
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