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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 4:34:20 GMT -5
"what is good enough for the goose should be good enough for the gander don't you think?" Be careful how you answer this question because if the answer is yes then what is igood enough for what goes on in the fellowship should be good enough for what goes on in other churches, and vice versa , what goes on in other churches should be good enough for the fellowship, so logically, there will be no disputing just unity in Christ. Goose = the fellowship gander= other churches So good enough for goose = good enough for gander.= unity in Christ with some little differences of applications./ approaches. The important thing is Christ being in the midst of their gatherings for worship. Let us be honest, the fellowship's ways of worship was organised by man; the words/terms used : "meetings" instead of the commonly used " church services" like some other churches use, " conventions," " Special meetings," " gospel meetings," " Workers," Elders," "overseers." All these terms are not really mentioned in scriptures but they have been adopted by the fellowship; yet we criticise other churches for introducing their particular terms reverend, pastor, bishop , deacons , priests etc. their forms of worship and celebrated festivals, then label them "worldly churches." I am sure that if you look more deeply you wil find other diversions and divisions which really do not really matter one way or another other than to cause division among believers and detract from the important business of serving God in a spirit of unity and brotherly/sisterly love in Christ Jesus who has made that ultimate sacrifice for us all. As I grow older, it make little sense to me because we are supposed to be serving the same God Based on the same scriptures as recorded in the Holy Bible but by putting our own interpretations and emphasis on areas that suit our own individual interests/ purposes in support of particular organisations,-- splitting hairs. if our fellowship uses the ways of man then God is not in it period Fair and reasonable comment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 4:58:59 GMT -5
I agree with this, but most often there is the caveat......"the leaders have to agree that the message is from God." Often they act as censors. If they agree with it, then it is from God. If they do not (for whatever reason), then it is rejected. they should know if it is from God without any doubt Only if they know the only true God who is the Father. Messages get confusing if it's coming from three sources who are supposed to be one source. Then you've just got to go with the number you first thought of!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 5:28:12 GMT -5
what on earth is dreams vision scripture? All through scripture god spoke to people in dreams or vision today he will use scripture as well. He spoke through an ass remember? ooops! Let me rephrase that one: He spoke through a donkey remember?
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Post by bubbles on Dec 2, 2014 5:41:33 GMT -5
The body of christ is worldwide. Any person who is bornagain of the spirit of god. Christ is the head we are the body fitly framed working together Everyone has different gifts. Christ being head of the church leads the church. It belongs to him Revelations talks about the father placing all christs enemies under his feet. When I refer to leaders im talking about apostles,prophets, teachers, pastors, evangelists,:elders, deacons, bishops,helps anyone who ministers. Anyone who hears from god. we are the body fitly framed working together? ?just got to look on this board to see that that is a fancyfull idea You dont think you are part of the body of christ?
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2014 13:02:45 GMT -5
who's church? and what leaders are you speaking of? all looks a bit gobble de gook to me The body of christ is worldwide. Any person who is bornagain of the spirit of god. Christ is the head we are the body fitly framed working together Everyone has different gifts. Christ being head of the church leads the church. It belongs to him Revelations talks about the father placing all christs enemies under his feet. When I refer to leaders im talking about apostles,prophets, teachers, pastors, evangelists,:elders, deacons, bishops,helps anyone who ministers. Anyone who hears from god. That's an interesting analogy. God is the head and born agains are the body. There is a belief in New Age thought that is exactly that except it includes all of humanity not just born agains. Now I see where it probably originated. That and the 'we are all one' which is more ancient in it's origins.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 13:52:41 GMT -5
The body of christ is worldwide. Any person who is bornagain of the spirit of god. Christ is the head we are the body fitly framed working together Everyone has different gifts. Christ being head of the church leads the church. It belongs to him Revelations talks about the father placing all christs enemies under his feet. When I refer to leaders im talking about apostles,prophets, teachers, pastors, evangelists,:elders, deacons, bishops,helps anyone who ministers. Anyone who hears from god. That's an interesting analogy. God is the head and born agains are the body. There is a belief in New Age thought that is exactly that except it includes all of humanity not just born agains. Now I see where it probably originated. That and the 'we are all one' which is more ancient in it's origins. It all goes back to the Garden of Eden when man started off being "one" with God. Then a bit of decapitation came along.....
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Post by bubbles on Dec 2, 2014 15:35:47 GMT -5
The body of christ is worldwide. Any person who is bornagain of the spirit of god. Christ is the head we are the body fitly framed working together Everyone has different gifts. Christ being head of the church leads the church. It belongs to him Revelations talks about the father placing all christs enemies under his feet. When I refer to leaders im talking about apostles,prophets, teachers, pastors, evangelists,:elders, deacons, bishops,helps anyone who ministers. Anyone who hears from god. That's an interesting analogy. God is the head and born agains are the body. There is a belief in New Age thought that is exactly that except it includes all of humanity not just born agains. Now I see where it probably originated. That and the 'we are all one' which is more ancient in it's origins. Ive had this paradigm for 30 yrs. Re ancients. Astro theology says each age had a god with the same charactoristics as christ. Horus buddha etc. Some christians I know would give a quiver when newage was mentioned. Scripture says we are 'gods' because we are his. He is in us he is everywhere. We can split hairs over words and tangle ourselves up and others in knots over religion. At the end of the day. I ask myself am I kind to people?do I lift peoples spirits when they are down? Feed them when they are hungry? Meet their needs when I am able? Show love instead of hate? Cloth them? Befriend the lonely. The list goes on. This is the important stuff imo. But here we are on a site that hopefully promotes the good rather than the negative.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 22:20:01 GMT -5
we are the body fitly framed working together? ?just got to look on this board to see that that is a fancyfull idea You dont think you are part of the body of christ? to be fitly framed working together they have to be joined together in harmony and complete agreence in Christ that does not happen here, Christ is the only one who unites and fitly frames us together in harmony and as one that has not happened here the doctrine must be Christ's and Christ's alone for there to be any harmony/fitly framed together
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 22:22:05 GMT -5
That's an interesting analogy. God is the head and born agains are the body. There is a belief in New Age thought that is exactly that except it includes all of humanity not just born agains. Now I see where it probably originated. That and the 'we are all one' which is more ancient in it's origins. It all goes back to the Garden of Eden when man started off being "one" with God. Then a bit of decapitation came along..... and there is nothing stopping man being one with God today but man
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2014 22:43:01 GMT -5
It all goes back to the Garden of Eden when man started off being "one" with God. Then a bit of decapitation came along..... and there is nothing stopping man being one with God today but man How about man being one with God and man.
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Post by findingtruth on Dec 2, 2014 23:08:01 GMT -5
You dont think you are part of the body of christ? to be fitly framed working together they have to be joined together in harmony and complete agreence in Christ that does not happen here, Christ is the only one who unites and fitly frames us together in harmony and as one that has not happened here the doctrine must be Christ's and Christ's alone for there to be any harmony/fitly framed together Virgo, am I to understand that you do NOT believe you're part of the body of Christ? Your comment seems to suggest this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 23:14:15 GMT -5
to be fitly framed working together they have to be joined together in harmony and complete agreence in Christ that does not happen here, Christ is the only one who unites and fitly frames us together in harmony and as one that has not happened here the doctrine must be Christ's and Christ's alone for there to be any harmony/fitly framed together Virgo, am I to understand that you do NOT believe you're part of the body of Christ? Your comment seems to suggest this. i think what hes trying to say(correct me if i am wrong) is that on TMB we are not fitly framed together and i would agree with that...
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Post by findingtruth on Dec 2, 2014 23:19:26 GMT -5
Virgo, am I to understand that you do NOT believe you're part of the body of Christ? Your comment seems to suggest this. i think what hes trying to say(correct me if i am wrong) is that on TMB we are not fitly framed together and i would agree with that... Bubbles had asked him the following question: "You dont think you are part of the body of christ?"He really didn't answer the question which could have been a simple "yes" or "no". His response seemed to divert attention away from the specific question.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 0:22:49 GMT -5
and there is nothing stopping man being one with God today but man How about man being one with God and man. it happens
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 0:24:55 GMT -5
to be fitly framed working together they have to be joined together in harmony and complete agreence in Christ that does not happen here, Christ is the only one who unites and fitly frames us together in harmony and as one that has not happened here the doctrine must be Christ's and Christ's alone for there to be any harmony/fitly framed together Virgo, am I to understand that you do NOT believe you're part of the body of Christ? Your comment seems to suggest this. does it? how?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 0:26:00 GMT -5
i think what hes trying to say(correct me if i am wrong) is that on TMB we are not fitly framed together and i would agree with that... Bubbles had asked him the following question: "You dont think you are part of the body of christ?"He really didn't answer the question which could have been a simple "yes" or "no". His response seemed to divert attention away from the specific question. funny i get answers like that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 0:27:08 GMT -5
Virgo, am I to understand that you do NOT believe you're part of the body of Christ? Your comment seems to suggest this. i think what hes trying to say(correct me if i am wrong) is that on TMB we are not fitly framed together and i would agree with that... spot on my friend
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2014 2:05:12 GMT -5
Hey Virgo have you found those "plain workers" yet
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2014 2:13:53 GMT -5
i think what hes trying to say(correct me if i am wrong) is that on TMB we are not fitly framed together and i would agree with that... spot on my friend But of course all in the "fellowship" are fitly framed together !!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 2:30:24 GMT -5
spot on my friend But of course all in the "fellowship" are fitly framed together !!!!!! is that so? seems like you know
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Post by bubbles on Dec 3, 2014 2:43:41 GMT -5
In the bigger picture of the kingdom of god. How do churches come to agreement understanding and unity? By being open to change. Putting aside doctrinal differences and agreeing to work together for the commongood of man and the purposes of god. In heaven where do you think denominations fit in? If we cant agree on earth? You wonder why so many leave churches.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 3:48:46 GMT -5
In the bigger picture of the kingdom of god. How do churches come to agreement understanding and unity? By being open to change. Putting aside doctrinal differences and agreeing to work together for the commongood of man and the purposes of god. In heaven where do you think denominations fit in? If we cant agree on earth? You wonder why so many leave churches. there is only one way for oneness/unity, Christ has to be in all and through all, Christ is it and nothing else the problem is that man has and always will do is want to have his say, what he things is important to man. unfortunately for man that is not the path God has set out the path is that man's say or thoughts mean nothing to God it Christ or nothing cathedrals, churches, special robes, crosses, ceremonies etc are from man's thoughts not God, they are not included in the path God prepared through His Son
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2014 4:05:18 GMT -5
So Virgo is this oneness/unity in the "fellowship" ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 5:21:38 GMT -5
So Virgo is this oneness/unity in the "fellowship" ? Yes, I agree with your trend of thought. The quietness before meetings, singing two hymns, then a time of prayers, singing another hymn, then testimonies, then prayers before the emblems and a final hymn to end the meeting. All this Is man made form of worship/service in the same way that other churches have their particular man made forms/order of worship/ service and their special garments of worship. Who decides who is right and who is wrong in these various forms of services/worship to God especially if Christ is in the midst of both sets of congregations? I don't think that it is the duty of man to make judgement in these matters. Let God be the Judge. Normally the fellowship does not have music organ/piano at meetings except at some gospel meetings, they also have music accompaniment at funerals, most churches have music at all services, is that wrong? I think that music enhances the singing of hymns, I play the keyboard at home and enjoy singing and playing hymns.
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Post by fred on Dec 3, 2014 6:15:10 GMT -5
Virgo, am I to understand that you do NOT believe you're part of the body of Christ? Your comment seems to suggest this. i think what hes trying to say(correct me if i am wrong) is that on TMB we are not fitly framed together and i would agree with that... Here's a little quote I keep in my bible : UNITY in essentials LIBERTY in non-essentials CHARITY in all things Some believe that unless all things are uniform there can be no unity. That does not have to be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 0:22:20 GMT -5
i think what hes trying to say(correct me if i am wrong) is that on TMB we are not fitly framed together and i would agree with that... Here's a little quote I keep in my bible : UNITY in essentials LIBERTY in non-essentials CHARITY in all things Some believe that unless all things are uniform there can be no unity. That does not have to be the case. charity brings unity they must be uniform in Christ, Christ brings the unity
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 0:23:28 GMT -5
So Virgo is this oneness/unity in the "fellowship" ? it's in Christ
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 4, 2014 1:41:26 GMT -5
So Virgo is this oneness/unity in the "fellowship" ? it's in Christ So that unity could be in a church that has robes and cathedrals then ? Or are you saying Christ is only in the 2x2's ?
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