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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 5:34:50 GMT -5
Prov 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your path. What do you really understand by the above passage from Proverbs.? When you really think about it we all lean to our own understanding of the scriptures, in point of fact religious organisations are divided because they lean to their own understanding pertaining to the scriptures; they have their own interpretations pertaining to ways of worship and in ways of acknowledging Him. Is He not directing their separate paths? If He isn't, who is? I believe we all claim to trust Him with all our hearts. That is why we go to our various churches and assemble ourselves to worship Him. Just some rambling thoughts going through my mind. This one is addressed to believers.
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 28, 2014 12:01:06 GMT -5
Some of my rambling thoughts.....to get some ideas on what a "proverb " means, put the proverb to the negative. Btw, it is a proverb, right,? A proverb is not necessarily a promise e.g.teach a child....and he will not depart from it.... sometimes that does not happen. Anyhow, don't trust the lord and just go by what you yourself think. Don't acknowledge or consider god in anything you do, and he will not give you any direction in your life. When a person is in a relationship with another person , business or personal, the decisions one makes must acknowledge or take into consideration the other person, or relationship is soon over. The other person in that relationship is "directing " your path, and if you don't trust that person with all your heart, and does not consider your wellbeing , then the direction you are being led could be disastrous. I think Joseph and Mary were a good example of following this proverb. She pondered a lot in her heart, didn't just jump to her own conclusions and decisions, but acknowledged god, " be it into me as you have said". Yes, acknowledging god, might affect where you do or do not go to church, but the church organization or membership status others have or do not have thete etc. , should not be the determination of whether they are being bring led by God. Paul was a pharisee, long after his conversion, even though they hated him for acknowledging and being led by God? I think we all know believers that attend a "church" or club that we do not agree with. Sure not up to me to judge whether they personally are being led by God or not and how God will lead them in the future. We are all on a journey, and "we're all just walking each other home". Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 12:02:38 GMT -5
Prov 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your path. What do you really understand by the above passage from Proverbs.? When you really think about it we all lean to our own understanding of the scriptures, in point of fact religious organisations are divided because they lean to their own understanding pertaining to the scriptures; they have their own interpretations pertaining to ways of worship and in ways of acknowledging Him. Is He not directing their separate paths? If He isn't, who is? I believe we all claim to trust Him with all our hearts. That is why we go to our various churches and assemble ourselves to worship Him. Just some rambling thoughts going through my mind. This one is addressed to believers. The main problem with the vast majority of Christian denominations and sects is that by and large they do apply their own understanding to God's Word. This happens a lot when they come up against something they don't like or doesn't fit in with their perceived idea of God, they dilute God's Word, ignore it, or shift the goalposts.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 28, 2014 12:08:55 GMT -5
Prov 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your path. What do you really understand by the above passage from Proverbs.? When you really think about it we all lean to our own understanding of the scriptures, in point of fact religious organisations are divided because they lean to their own understanding pertaining to the scriptures; they have their own interpretations pertaining to ways of worship and in ways of acknowledging Him. Is He not directing their separate paths? If He isn't, who is? I believe we all claim to trust Him with all our hearts. That is why we go to our various churches and assemble ourselves to worship Him. Just some rambling thoughts going through my mind. This one is addressed to believers. This is one if the scriptures I clung to when deciding to leave meetings. Another to trust in god not man. He did prove to me that I can trust him. It was a step of faith and very hard to do with a lot of grief. Im glad I listened to the word. It became real to me. It was the begining of trusting and putting my faith out for something unseen. He is faithful to us.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 28, 2014 12:18:01 GMT -5
Ram When we allow anyone to preach to us. We need to rightly divide what they are saying. I dont have much time or tolerance for preachers who dont use lots of scripture. Thats when I get lost in the comprehension. To quote one or two verses then preach for half an hour with no other reference just wont cut it for me.
This is one reason I think any preacher teacher expounding on scripture needs some form of discipling/ mentoring/training.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 12:28:13 GMT -5
Prov 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your path. What do you really understand by the above passage from Proverbs.? When you really think about it we all lean to our own understanding of the scriptures, in point of fact religious organisations are divided because they lean to their own understanding pertaining to the scriptures; they have their own interpretations pertaining to ways of worship and in ways of acknowledging Him. Is He not directing their separate paths? If He isn't, who is? I believe we all claim to trust Him with all our hearts. That is why we go to our various churches and assemble ourselves to worship Him. Just some rambling thoughts going through my mind. This one is addressed to believers. as to who is directing their paths: Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. not all churches are "right" with God so i suspect satan is leading some of them
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 28, 2014 12:37:58 GMT -5
Wally, am I "safe " to say, one can be led by God even though in a "wrong" church and not be led by God, even though in a "right" church.? Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 12:53:24 GMT -5
Wally, am I "safe " to say, one can be led by God even though in a "wrong" church and not be led by God, even though in a "right" church.? Alvin true but rare...imo and again i am not entirely into exclusivity...there are a couple of verses that lead me to believe more than 2 x 2 will be in heaven...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 13:46:34 GMT -5
Ram When we allow anyone to preach to us. We need to rightly divide what they are saying. I dont have much time or tolerance for preachers who dont use lots of scripture. Thats when I get lost in the comprehension. To quote one or two verses then preach for half an hour with no other reference just wont cut it for me. This is one reason I think any preacher teacher expounding on scripture needs some form of discipling/ mentoring/training.
I agree with the first three verses of what you said and in principle I agree with the last sentence. However, MOST of those preachers who have received discipling/mentoring/training begin that life with the preconceived ideas and "accepted facts" of those who are mentoring/training them and then base their teachings and beliefs on this. Often I have found it to be wrong and not what scripture actually says. I believe the best teacher is the Holy Spirit when one gets themselves into the right condition for genuine learning, accompanied by studying the scriptures for oneself. Others can be a great help, but it is safe to measure up everything they say against scripture. Many pastors are reluctant to consider alternatives to what they have been trained in. Often it can affect their position within the church, etc. In every case I would not want anyone to accept what I say regarding spiritual beliefs, but would rather they examined what I say against scripture and if they think that I am wrong, then point this out and stating why I am wrong. That way I can learn as well.
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Post by Brick on Nov 28, 2014 14:03:04 GMT -5
Prov 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your path. I think this verse or proverb is a two edged sword, and as others have commented, we do use our understanding to interpret the Bible, which many of us consider to be God's word. Since we may arrive at different conclusions on what various parts of the Bible mean, or if certain parts even have any meaning at all, we become a divided people with a plethora of convictions. Some of us recall the days of having radio antennas broken off cars at conventions and other similar events that seem ludicrous to us now, if not criminal. But the Bible hasn't changed. Our interpretation of it has. There's a book called The Evolution of God that I'd very much like to read and understand since it is quite obvious that our perception of God has evolved over the millenniums. But how do we trust a God if we don't first understand Him? I like to think of children learning to trust their parents. We trust in increments. Small things first, and as our trust grows, we trust more and more. I especially like to think of the account in 2 Kings 6 when Elisha's companion was fearful of the army that compassed his city. Elisha prayed for his eyes to be opened to see what he saw, and the answer to his prayer was that the young man saw "the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha." In order to see a thing, we must be looking in the right direction. All too often, I am looking in the direction of my own understanding and miss the vision that could have been mine.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 28, 2014 15:22:12 GMT -5
Some of my rambling thoughts.....to get some ideas on what a "proverb " means, put the proverb to the negative. Btw, it is a proverb, right,? A proverb is not necessarily a promise e.g.teach a child....and he will not depart from it.... sometimes that does not happen. Anyhow, don't trust the lord and just go by what you yourself think. Don't acknowledge or consider god in anything you do, and he will not give you any direction in your life. When a person is in a relationship with another person , business or personal, the decisions one makes must acknowledge or take into consideration the other person, or relationship is soon over. The other person in that relationship is "directing " your path, and if you don't trust that person with all your heart, and does not consider your wellbeing , then the direction you are being led could be disastrous. I think Joseph and Mary were a good example of following this proverb. She pondered a lot in her heart, didn't just jump to her own conclusions and decisions, but acknowledged god, " be it into me as you have said". Yes, acknowledging god, might affect where you do or do not go to church, but the church organization or membership status others have or do not have thete etc. , should not be the determination of whether they are being bring led by God. Paul was a pharisee, long after his conversion, even though they hated him for acknowledging and being led by God? I think we all know believers that attend a "church" or club that we do not agree with. Sure not up to me to judge whether they personally are being led by God or not and how God will lead them in the future. We are all on a journey, and "we're all just walking each other home". Alvin Slowtosee you say,
"Don't acknowledge or consider god in anything you do, and he will not give you any direction in your life."
To me, that sentence is just an attempt at trying to make yourself believe that what you do or the way you act is according to a god directing you and therefore is morally right.
At the same time you therefore believe that we who don't believe in a god guiding us can't act in in a moral manner.
Is that correct?
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Post by SharonArnold on Nov 28, 2014 16:03:46 GMT -5
I think we all know believers that attend a "church" or club that we do not agree with. Sure not up to me to judge whether they personally are being led by God or not and how God will lead them in the future. We are all on a journey, and "we're all just walking each other home". Alvin This, to me, is a concrete illustration of the "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your path." verse. Alvin, I know that you believe this and live this. I loved this verse when I was a 2X2. In the over 28 years that I took part in meetings, if a counter had been kept of the times I spoke on a verse, I think this one would have been near the top. This was something I very much aspired to, along with wisdom. In other bible verses, understanding is frequently coupled with wisdom. I didn't find a paradox there then. I still don't. I think it makes more sense when you don't skip over the "Trust in the Lord" part. I think it is easier to understand what the verse DOES NOT mean. It used to drive me crazy when someone would drag the "lean not on your own understanding" part out in support of a "Do what I say" (not necessarily what I do) sort of position.
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 28, 2014 17:00:40 GMT -5
Sharon, thank you. I remember you from university days and I respected you then, and that respect has surely grown as I have observed and read your wise posts on these forums. Alvin
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 28, 2014 17:01:35 GMT -5
Some of my rambling thoughts.....to get some ideas on what a "proverb " means, put the proverb to the negative. Btw, it is a proverb, right,? A proverb is not necessarily a promise e.g.teach a child....and he will not depart from it.... sometimes that does not happen. Anyhow, don't trust the lord and just go by what you yourself think. Don't acknowledge or consider god in anything you do, and he will not give you any direction in your life. When a person is in a relationship with another person , business or personal, the decisions one makes must acknowledge or take into consideration the other person, or relationship is soon over. The other person in that relationship is "directing " your path, and if you don't trust that person with all your heart, and does not consider your wellbeing , then the direction you are being led could be disastrous. I think Joseph and Mary were a good example of following this proverb. She pondered a lot in her heart, didn't just jump to her own conclusions and decisions, but acknowledged god, " be it into me as you have said". Yes, acknowledging god, might affect where you do or do not go to church, but the church organization or membership status others have or do not have thete etc. , should not be the determination of whether they are being bring led by God. Paul was a pharisee, long after his conversion, even though they hated him for acknowledging and being led by God? I think we all know believers that attend a "church" or club that we do not agree with. Sure not up to me to judge whether they personally are being led by God or not and how God will lead them in the future. We are all on a journey, and "we're all just walking each other home". Alvin Slowtosee you say,
"Don't acknowledge or consider god in anything you do, and he will not give you any direction in your life."
To me, that sentence is just an attempt at trying to make yourself believe that what you do or the way you act is according to a god directing you and therefore is morally right.
At the same time you therefore believe that we who don't believe in a god guiding us can't act in in a moral manner.
Is that correct?
dmmichgood, not even close. Alvin
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Post by bubbles on Nov 28, 2014 18:35:25 GMT -5
Ram When we allow anyone to preach to us. We need to rightly divide what they are saying. I dont have much time or tolerance for preachers who dont use lots of scripture. Thats when I get lost in the comprehension. To quote one or two verses then preach for half an hour with no other reference just wont cut it for me. This is one reason I think any preacher teacher expounding on scripture needs some form of discipling/ mentoring/training.
I agree with the first three verses of what you said and in principle I agree with the last sentence. However, MOST of those preachers who have received discipling/mentoring/training begin that life with the preconceived ideas and "accepted facts" of those who are mentoring/training them and then base their teachings and beliefs on this. Often I have found it to be wrong and not what scripture actually says. Ram I get this in some compacity not all. Mentors good ones, father us and guide us. They have the yrs of experience and wisdom with it. Il give you an example. They were teaching us to preach. (Im useless at it.) I was full of nerves being the centre of attention. Others were great. I did teach a few times and managed to stay on track. Mostly my gifting was prayer and ministry. I believe the best teacher is the Holy Spirit when one gets themselves into the right condition for genuine learning, accompanied by studying the scriptures for oneself. Others can be a great help, but it is safe to measure up everything they say against scripture. Many pastors are reluctant to consider alternatives to what they have been trained in. Often it can affect their position within the church, etc. Ram Yes the holy spirit is the best teacher. He taught me how to pray. There is a danger of 'doing it alone'. If we are going to minister in any form to the body of christ we need to be in relationship with good leaders. Men and women of sound charactor that carries their anointing. In every case I would not want anyone to accept what I say regarding spiritual beliefs, but would rather they examined what I say against scripture and if they think that I am wrong, then point this out and stating why I am wrong. That way I can learn as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 18:39:03 GMT -5
Wally, am I "safe " to say, one can be led by God even though in a "wrong" church and not be led by God, even though in a "right" church.? Alvin true but rare...imo and again i am not entirely into exclusivity...there are a couple of verses that lead me to believe more than 2 x 2 will be in heaven... So what exactly is the criteria used to ascertain whether a so called Christian church is right or wrong? It is my belief that some folks in the F&W fellowship will go to heaven and some will not go to heaven, conversely, I also believe that some folks in the Church of the Nazarene, for example, will go to heaven and some will not.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 28, 2014 18:43:36 GMT -5
Prov 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your path. I think this verse or proverb is a two edged sword, and as others have commented, we do use our understanding to interpret the Bible, which many of us consider to be God's word. Since we may arrive at different conclusions on what various parts of the Bible mean, or if certain parts even have any meaning at all, we become a divided people with a plethora of convictions. Some of us recall the days of having radio antennas broken off cars at conventions and other similar events that seem ludicrous to us now, if not criminal. But the Bible hasn't changed. Our interpretation of it has. There's a book called The Evolution of God that I'd very much like to read and understand since it is quite obvious that our perception of God has evolved over the millenniums. But how do we trust a God if we don't first understand Him? I like to think of children learning to trust their parents. We trust in increments. Small things first, and as our trust grows, we trust more and more. I especially like to think of the account in 2 Kings 6 when Elisha's companion was fearful of the army that compassed his city. Elisha prayed for his eyes to be opened to see what he saw, and the answer to his prayer was that the young man saw "the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha." In order to see a thing, we must be looking in the right direction. All too often, I am looking in the direction of my own understanding and miss the vision that could have been mine. Partaker Understanding comes with maturity. When we progress from babes in christ feeding of the milk of the word to growing our spiritman and feeding off the meat of the word. We cant know someone we havent spent time with just as relationships on human level. It takes time to learn and grow spiritually. Like you say small steps. I know with faith each time a prayer is answered it increases. When it demands a large increase I see that our tent boarders get extended. Eg if you have pastored a church of 20 you wont have stretched to 200. So pastoring 200 would be illogical. Without help.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 28, 2014 18:46:11 GMT -5
true but rare...imo and again i am not entirely into exclusivity...there are a couple of verses that lead me to believe more than 2 x 2 will be in heaven... So what exactly is the criteria used to ascertain whether a so called Christian church is right or wrong? If I was asked id be asking the lord about the foundation. The foundation must be good and strong. For the building process. Most times it is the foundation that is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 18:53:39 GMT -5
true but rare...imo and again i am not entirely into exclusivity...there are a couple of verses that lead me to believe more than 2 x 2 will be in heaven... So what exactly is the criteria used to ascertain whether a so called Christian church is right or wrong? well believe it or not there are churches who teach that jesus was just a very good person and not the son of God... and more and more churches are accepting evolution in their teachings(that we come from some primate like creature in the past)... if you sit down and read the NT and compare the 1st century church to whats being done today in a 21st century church officially you'll soon find out which church is doing right and which is doing wrong...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 19:11:44 GMT -5
So what exactly is the criteria used to ascertain whether a so called Christian church is right or wrong? well believe it or not there are churches who teach that jesus was just a very good person and not the son of God... and more and more churches are accepting evolution in their teachings(that we come from some primate like creature in the past)... if you sit down and read the NT and compare the 1st century church to whats being done today in a 21st century church officially you'll soon find out which church is doing right and which is doing wrong... Yep, the church has one foundation and chief corner stone in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. If He is missing from a church, then that church cannot be right in a Christian setting.IMH
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 19:19:30 GMT -5
So what exactly is the criteria used to ascertain whether a so called Christian church is right or wrong? If I was asked id be asking the lord about the foundation. The foundation must be good and strong. For the building process. Most times it is the foundation that is wrong. If the foundation is Jesus Christ our Lord then it would be good and strong, and for the building process that same Jesus should be set as the chief corner stone. We all know what will happen if we build our houses on the sands, they must be built on a firm foundation.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 28, 2014 20:33:47 GMT -5
Slowtosee you say,
"Don't acknowledge or consider god in anything you do, and he will not give you any direction in your life."
To me, that sentence is just an attempt at trying to make yourself believe that what you do or the way you act is according to a god directing you and therefore is morally right.
At the same time you therefore believe that we who don't believe in a god guiding us can't act in in a moral manner.
Is that correct?
dmmichgood, not even close. Alvin Good.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 28, 2014 20:38:20 GMT -5
If I was asked id be asking the lord about the foundation. The foundation must be good and strong. For the building process. Most times it is the foundation that is wrong. If the foundation is Jesus Christ our Lord then it would be good and strong, and for the building process that same Jesus should be set as the chief corner stone. We all know what will happen if we build our houses on the sands, they must be built on a firm foundation. You would be surprised the number of churches that went wonky along the way. Back to topic. I find myself trusting him for something most of the time. If not just my family for my friends and me. The stronger my faith gets the more impossible I believe for. I love the excitment of the impossible. Its like an endorfin for me. The expectation of his power working. The blessing of knowing that faith moves his hand tears dont.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 2:40:29 GMT -5
I agree with the first three verses of what you said and in principle I agree with the last sentence. However, MOST of those preachers who have received discipling/mentoring/training begin that life with the preconceived ideas and "accepted facts" of those who are mentoring/training them and then base their teachings and beliefs on this. Often I have found it to be wrong and not what scripture actually says. Ram I get this in some compacity not all. Mentors good ones, father us and guide us. They have the yrs of experience and wisdom with it. Il give you an example. They were teaching us to preach. (Im useless at it.) I was full of nerves being the centre of attention. Others were great. I did teach a few times and managed to stay on track. Mostly my gifting was prayer and ministry. I believe the best teacher is the Holy Spirit when one gets themselves into the right condition for genuine learning, accompanied by studying the scriptures for oneself. Others can be a great help, but it is safe to measure up everything they say against scripture. Many pastors are reluctant to consider alternatives to what they have been trained in. Often it can affect their position within the church, etc. Ram Yes the holy spirit is the best teacher. He taught me how to pray. There is a danger of 'doing it alone'. If we are going to minister in any form to the body of christ we need to be in relationship with good leaders. Men and women of sound charactor that carries their anointing. It is not about doing it alone, unless of course one's circumstances renders no alternative. It is being as the early Bereans who checked out everything they heard against the scriptures to see that what they heard was correct, We are promised that the Holy Spirit will teach us. That is the best authority. It is the Spirit of Christ. Good leaders are only that at best. We are at the mercy of their failings. Yes, respect them for what they are, but would you trust them to look after your finances or your children. No, you would be putting in safeguards first. As Bert says: "Be thou likewise with thy soul!"In every case I would not want anyone to accept what I say regarding spiritual beliefs, but would rather they examined what I say against scripture and if they think that I am wrong, then point this out and stating why I am wrong. That way I can learn as well. I agree wholeheartedly with this! It sounds like something that I would say!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 20:27:11 GMT -5
well believe it or not there are churches who teach that jesus was just a very good person and not the son of God... and more and more churches are accepting evolution in their teachings(that we come from some primate like creature in the past)... if you sit down and read the NT and compare the 1st century church to whats being done today in a 21st century church officially you'll soon find out which church is doing right and which is doing wrong... Yep, the church has one foundation and chief corner stone in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. If He is missing from a church, then that church cannot be right in a Christian setting.IMH what do you think the signs would be in making it evident that Christ is missing from a church?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 20:30:34 GMT -5
well believe it or not there are churches who teach that jesus was just a very good person and not the son of God... and more and more churches are accepting evolution in their teachings(that we come from some primate like creature in the past)... if you sit down and read the NT and compare the 1st century church to whats being done today in a 21st century church officially you'll soon find out which church is doing right and which is doing wrong... Yep, the church has one foundation and chief corner stone in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. If He is missing from a church, then that church cannot be right in a Christian setting.IMH when you say He what is meant by He? all His teachings? lets say that a church decided to introduce for their ministers to wear a certain artical around their waist which distiguished them in certain way but didn't follow the spirit of Jesus by elevating one's self, would that be a church that put forth different ideas from the spirit of Christ and they still preached Christ, would that church still be classed a true to Jesus church?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 20:41:14 GMT -5
If I was asked id be asking the lord about the foundation. The foundation must be good and strong. For the building process. Most times it is the foundation that is wrong. If the foundation is Jesus Christ our Lord then it would be good and strong, and for the building process that same Jesus should be set as the chief corner stone. We all know what will happen if we build our houses on the sands, they must be built on a firm foundation. what would be the examples of building on the sand?
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Post by bubbles on Nov 29, 2014 21:39:07 GMT -5
Yep, the church has one foundation and chief corner stone in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. If He is missing from a church, then that church cannot be right in a Christian setting.IMH what do you think the signs would be in making it evident that Christ is missing from a church? Are you sure you want to know the answer? Ask the holy spirit.
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