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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 20, 2015 22:57:43 GMT -5
Is there a discount store out there doing a special on orange overalls?
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Post by snow on Feb 21, 2015 0:03:18 GMT -5
Have you heard Sam Harris' response to this? The militant atheist label is being used and Sam is calling it dangerous and is once again at odds with Rezlan. www.samharris.org/
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2015 1:11:27 GMT -5
That's silly. Egyptian Christians are in no way responsible for Christian protests in America. You know that, and ISIL knows that. Of course Egyptian Christians are in no way responsible for Christian protests in America.
But thousands of Christian anti-Muslim protesters waved American flags at a Muslem Conference in Texas certainly wasn't being any help to their brethren in Egypt.
In fact, how are we to know but what ISIL did to the Egyptian Christians was an actual retaliation for those Christian anti-Muslim protesters ?
Fanatics throwing fuel on the fire is not going to help anyone.
"According to KVUE, there was an earlier protest on Friday night in Richardson, Texas, where protesters carried signs quoting the Bible. The protesters yelled with bullhorns at Muslims who came to pray at the Islamic Association of North Texas.
"Time to repent," yelled one Christian protester. "Islam is filled with murder! This is your wake up call. How many of you Muslims are terrorists?"
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Post by xna on Feb 21, 2015 3:39:54 GMT -5
Have you heard Sam Harris' response to this? The militant atheist label is being used and Sam is calling it dangerous and is once again at odds with Rezlan. www.samharris.org/Thanks. I hadn't heard this. Good listen
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 21, 2015 19:48:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 19:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 22, 2015 1:20:03 GMT -5
Well, Many on the right would hate Obama's approach to Islam, wouldn't they?
They can't seem to wait for an excuse to have another war,
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Post by xna on Feb 22, 2015 21:24:00 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 22, 2015 21:30:18 GMT -5
They hate everything about him, even when he agrees with them. He's black, don't forget.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 22, 2015 21:35:50 GMT -5
They couldn't say he was lying, though.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 23, 2015 19:08:39 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Feb 23, 2015 19:22:00 GMT -5
Oh no Bob. You must be mistaken. Real Christians don't kill.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 23, 2015 19:23:20 GMT -5
Oh no Bob. You must be mistaken. Real Christians don't kill. Must have been a Muslim.
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Post by fred on Feb 23, 2015 22:14:24 GMT -5
Mmm, was he a practising Christian, or did he just happen to be born into a family that was nominally Christian, in a predominately Christian country? Did he commit these atrocities in the name of Christianity, or was he motivated by Christian ideology? When you answer these questions you can view the cartoon for what it is.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 23, 2015 22:47:46 GMT -5
Mmm, was he a practising Christian, or did he just happen to be born into a family that was nominally Christian, in a predominately Christian country? Did he commit these atrocities in the name of Christianity, or was he motivated by Christian ideology? When you answer these questions you can view the cartoon for what it is. Christians don't ask those questions.
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Post by snow on Feb 23, 2015 23:22:39 GMT -5
Mmm, was he a practising Christian, or did he just happen to be born into a family that was nominally Christian, in a predominately Christian country? Did he commit these atrocities in the name of Christianity, or was he motivated by Christian ideology? When you answer these questions you can view the cartoon for what it is. Well that was a predictable response. Now take it a step further and give Islam the same breaks you just gave Christianity.
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Post by fred on Feb 24, 2015 0:49:49 GMT -5
Mmm, was he a practising Christian, or did he just happen to be born into a family that was nominally Christian, in a predominately Christian country? Did he commit these atrocities in the name of Christianity, or was he motivated by Christian ideology? When you answer these questions you can view the cartoon for what it is. Well that was a predictable response. Now take it a step further and give Islam the same breaks you just gave Christianity. Predictable??!!..... nah, just rational. I am more than happy to do the comparison and run other behaviour past the " did he commit these atrocities in the name of his religion, or was motivated by it?" Brevik did not, though his supposed motivation was in part anti jewish/moslem it was ethnic - no Christian ideology involved. My grievance is that the pic Bob posted is not logical - apples and oranges.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 24, 2015 1:41:16 GMT -5
Well that was a predictable response. Now take it a step further and give Islam the same breaks you just gave Christianity. Predictable??!!..... nah, just rational. I am more than happy to do the comparison and run other behaviour past the " did he commit these atrocities in the name of his religion, or was motivated by it?" Brevik did not, though his supposed motivation was in part anti jewish/moslem it was ethnic - no Christian ideology involved.
My grievance is that the pic Bob posted is not logical - apples and oranges. Just so you know, Brevik wasn't anti-Jewish.
Here is a lot more you could learn. FROM WIKI. "In 2009, he wrote "Today's Protestant church is a joke. Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like minimalist shopping centres.
I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic."[189]
On his Facebook profile, Breivik described himself as a Christian, though he is critical of the Catholic and Protestant churches, objecting to their "current suicidal path".[citation needed] Before the attacks, he stated an intention to attend Frogner Church in a final "Martyr's mass".[190]
The manifesto states its author is "100 percent Christian",[4] but he is not "excessively religious"[4] and considers himself a "cultural Christian" and a "modern-day crusader".[3][4]
His manifesto states "I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person, as that would be a lie", calls religion a crutch and a source for drawing mental strength, and says "I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment."
Regarding the term cultural Christian, which he says means preserving European culture, he notes, "It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian-atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics of the European Christian cultural legacy...)"[3][181]
Furthermore, Breivik stated that "myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God."[3][191]
Nevertheless, he stated that he planned to pray to God seeking for his help during his attacks.[192]
Breivik condemns Pope Benedict XVI for his dialogue with Islam: "Pope Benedict has abandoned Christianity and all Christian Europeans and is to be considered a cowardly, incompetent, corrupt and illegitimate Pope."
It will thus be necessary, writes Breivik, to overthrow the Protestant and Catholic hierarchies, after which a "Great Christian Congress" would set up a new European Church.[193]
He has also condemned Christian missionary activity in India as it would lead to the "total destruction of the Hindu faith and culture", and he expresses support for the Hindutva movement against Indian Communist movements.[194]
American Christian press has also highlighted that Breivik appears to have addressed followers of the Neopagan religion of Odinism in his writ.
In regards to them, he says, "even Odinists can fight with us or by our side as brothers" in the Knights Templar organisation of which Breivik claims to be a founding member. He later says to reject Odinism, saying that the Thor's Hammer cannot unify the people of Europe, but that the Christian cross will.[195]
Deputy police chief Roger Andresen initially told reporters that information on Breivik's websites was "so to speak, Christian fundamentalist".[65][196][197][198] Subsequently, others have disputed Andresen's characterisation of Breivik as a Christian fundamentalist."[
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Post by fixit on Feb 24, 2015 3:58:48 GMT -5
Mmm, was he a practising Christian, or did he just happen to be born into a family that was nominally Christian, in a predominately Christian country? Did he commit these atrocities in the name of Christianity, or was he motivated by Christian ideology? When you answer these questions you can view the cartoon for what it is. Well that was a predictable response. Now take it a step further and give Islam the same breaks you just gave Christianity. Do Christian preachers refer to Muslims as apes and pigs or dehumanise them? Do Christian preachers teach that the penalty for leaving Christianity is death? Do Christian sermons teach followers that their Christian duty is to fight non-believers?
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Post by snow on Feb 24, 2015 11:20:58 GMT -5
Well that was a predictable response. Now take it a step further and give Islam the same breaks you just gave Christianity. Do Christian preachers refer to Muslims as apes and pigs or dehumanise them? Do Christian preachers teach that the penalty for leaving Christianity is death? Do Christian sermons teach followers that their Christian duty is to fight non-believers? I am sure some do think and speak of Muslims in a derogatory way. It doesn't have to be apes and pigs to be just as negative and devastating to a group of people. In fact going to that kind of extreme likely makes people recognize the extreme and not give it as much credibility. The more subtle slurs that have been going around the internet are likely far more damaging. Christian sermons have served to further political parties that met their criteria for action against those who they fear. I don't know why you don't see that Christians can be and have been just as extreme. The difference is Christians deny they are 'Christian'. All I'm saying is that Muslims need the same courtesy. Spreading negative propaganda about Muslims in general is putting those who are innocent at risk. You wouldn't like it if all Christians were viewed as members of the KKK. I doubt if Muslims want to be viewed as members of or supportive of ISIS.
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Post by fixit on Feb 24, 2015 16:44:57 GMT -5
Spreading negative propaganda about Muslims in general is putting those who are innocent at risk. You wouldn't like it if all Christians were viewed as members of the KKK. I doubt if Muslims want to be viewed as members of or supportive of ISIS. Do you think discussing the facts is "negative propaganda"? There is far more "negative propaganda" coming from the Muslim side than from the non-Muslim side. Yet we can't even discuss that without being considered "Islamophobic". Laws around religious hate-speech need to be tightened and enforced. As with any problem, the first step to resolving the issue is acknowledging that there is a problem. We know that Islamist radicalisation is a big problem, but many folks in the West haven't yet figured out that it's coming from within the Muslim community.
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Post by Mary on Feb 24, 2015 18:00:15 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 24, 2015 18:08:27 GMT -5
Well that was a predictable response. Now take it a step further and give Islam the same breaks you just gave Christianity. Predictable??!!..... nah, just rational. I am more than happy to do the comparison and run other behaviour past the " did he commit these atrocities in the name of his religion, or was motivated by it?" Brevik did not, though his supposed motivation was in part anti jewish/moslem it was ethnic - no Christian ideology involved. My grievance is that the pic Bob posted is not logical - apples and oranges. Isn't that the point? Christians and Muslims are like apples and oranges, or maybe pigs and sheep.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 24, 2015 18:15:56 GMT -5
Well that was a predictable response. Now take it a step further and give Islam the same breaks you just gave Christianity. Do Christian preachers refer to Muslims as apes and pigs or dehumanise them? I've never heard of apes and pigs, but there have been dehumanizing comments in this forum. Some actually do. The rest of them believe in eternal death for leaving. Some advocate it literally, and the US government on occasion has sanctioned military force for that purpose. e.g. Bible verses on bombs bound for Iraq.
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Post by xna on Feb 24, 2015 18:26:35 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 24, 2015 18:44:43 GMT -5
Spreading negative propaganda about Muslims in general is putting those who are innocent at risk. You wouldn't like it if all Christians were viewed as members of the KKK. I doubt if Muslims want to be viewed as members of or supportive of ISIS. Do you think discussing the facts is "negative propaganda"? Discussing facts, no. Discussing myths, possibly yes. If you don't like it, it's called propaganda. If you like it, it's called evangelizing. Do you think Muslims don't know what Christians want them to know? There's nothing wrong with being Islamophobic. Some people are afraid of spiders too. What do you consider hate speech? You can't forbid people to say they hate something. They already forbid people from threatening harm to people. And the second step in resolving a problem is accepting that the other person has a valid concern. That's because they're only talking to themselves about it. In that case, we'll have to return to step two.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 24, 2015 20:16:33 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Feb 24, 2015 20:22:14 GMT -5
Syria was a Christian country like Egypt, Turkey and other countries in the Middle East. Now Christians there are treated like apostates, a "crime" that attracts the death sentence. Is it any wonder that people fear the Islamisation of the Occident? The Christians in Egypt, Syria and Iraq did nothing to "radicalise" the Islamists, but some folks in the West insist that it's all our fault.
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