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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2015 13:41:34 GMT -5
I have heard of the small pox blankets. Have you ever listened to Buffy St Marie's music. I have met her here when she was doing a few shows and talked to her about similarities between how the Indian and the Maori were treated. There is so much that a white man has to be proud of! It is hard for me to believe that there still people who believe that the government gave blankets from infected people to the American Indians. It appears that Buffy St Marie believes and is willing to spread the story. Does anyone think that she would retract her statements if someone pointed out the truth? Smallpox Blanket Hoax
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 13, 2015 15:13:55 GMT -5
The seven dirty words (or "Filthy Words") are seven English-language words that American comedian George Carlin first listed in 1972 in his monologue "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television".[1]
The words are: sh-, piss, rumpy pumpy, sweet thing, cocksucker, motherrumpy pumpyer, and tits.
I want to see if they will reproduce on TMB.
No, they didn't. They changed them.
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2015 19:07:02 GMT -5
The seven dirty words (or "Filthy Words") are seven English-language words that American comedian George Carlin first listed in 1972 in his monologue "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television".[1]
The words are: sh-, piss, rumpy pumpy, sweet thing, cocksucker, motherrumpy pumpyer, and tits.
I want to see if they will reproduce on TMB. :D
No, they didn't. They changed them. :)
And some of them are such great sharp and to-the-point words. Too bad the language was tempered by the Normans!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 13, 2015 20:19:27 GMT -5
I have heard of the small pox blankets. Have you ever listened to Buffy St Marie's music. I have met her here when she was doing a few shows and talked to her about similarities between how the Indian and the Maori were treated. There is so much that a white man has to be proud of! It is hard for me to believe that there still people who believe that the government gave blankets from infected people to the American Indians. It appears that Buffy St Marie believes and is willing to spread the story. Does anyone think that she would retract her statements if someone pointed out the truth? Smallpox Blanket HoaxIt wasn't the government who did it. It was the Pilgrim settlers -- before the government came along to shoot the rest of them off. Long before 1776.
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Post by xna on Jan 13, 2015 20:25:05 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2015 21:57:51 GMT -5
It is hard for me to believe that there still people who believe that the government gave blankets from infected people to the American Indians. It appears that Buffy St Marie believes and is willing to spread the story. Does anyone think that she would retract her statements if someone pointed out the truth? Smallpox Blanket HoaxIt wasn't the government who did it. It was the Pilgrim settlers -- before the government came along to shoot the rest of them off. Long before 1776. Wasn't it the English as part of their fight against the French and Indians?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 13, 2015 22:08:18 GMT -5
It wasn't the government who did it. It was the Pilgrim settlers -- before the government came along to shoot the rest of them off. Long before 1776. Wasn't it the English as part of their fight against the French and Indians? Not that I ever heard of. It doesn't make sense for that era anyway. The primary documents where my information came from were writings from the original Massachusetts Bay colonists. It's interesting that, except for the Louisiana area, the French who migrated into most of the US assimilated with the first nations people and American settlers moving west didn't distinguish them from the native population. The upper Midwest is full of native Americans with French surnames and French place names.
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2015 22:53:21 GMT -5
Wasn't it the English as part of their fight against the French and Indians? Not that I ever heard of. It doesn't make sense for that era anyway. The primary documents where my information came from were writings from the original Massachusetts Bay colonists. It's interesting that, except for the Louisiana area, the French who migrated into most of the US assimilated with the first nations people and American settlers moving west didn't distinguish them from the native population. The upper Midwest is full of native Americans with French surnames and French place names. The people to look into are Captain Simeon Ecuyer, Colonel Henry Bouquet, William Trent, and Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America. The reports are from the Ft. Pitt area in the early 1760s.
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Post by snow on Jan 13, 2015 22:57:47 GMT -5
I will never understand religious beliefs. Never! It's so often too bizarre to contemplate.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 13, 2015 23:06:16 GMT -5
Not that I ever heard of. It doesn't make sense for that era anyway. The primary documents where my information came from were writings from the original Massachusetts Bay colonists. It's interesting that, except for the Louisiana area, the French who migrated into most of the US assimilated with the first nations people and American settlers moving west didn't distinguish them from the native population. The upper Midwest is full of native Americans with French surnames and French place names. The people to look into are Captain Simeon Ecuyer, Colonel Henry Bouquet, William Trent, and Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America. The reports are from the Ft. Pitt area in the early 1760s. Very interesting. Rather messes with the origin of Thanksgiving, though.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 13, 2015 23:49:12 GMT -5
I wonder if he was a good God fearing man who regularly attended church.
Rational, I have been looking through Buffy's songs and cannot place her mention of smallpox. Seems my memory is playing tricks. However I think she had long stopped writing music before your shonky professor came along. Maybe there is a bit of urban myth there and a few macks got fuddled up.
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Post by rational on Jan 14, 2015 0:22:35 GMT -5
I wonder if he was a good God fearing man who regularly attended church. Rational, I have been looking through Buffy's songs and cannot place her mention of smallpox. Seems my memory is playing tricks. However I think she had long stopped writing music before your shonky professor came along. Maybe there is a bit of urban myth there and a few macks got fuddled up. "My Country 'Tis Of Thy People You're Dying"
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Post by rational on Jan 14, 2015 0:33:21 GMT -5
The people to look into are Captain Simeon Ecuyer, Colonel Henry Bouquet, William Trent, and Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America. The reports are from the Ft. Pitt area in the early 1760s. Very interesting. Rather messes with the origin of Thanksgiving, though. :) Not sure how this relates to thanksgiving. It was about 140 years earlier and on the east coast small pox had not been a big problem.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 14, 2015 0:58:33 GMT -5
Very interesting. Rather messes with the origin of Thanksgiving, though. Not sure how this relates to thanksgiving. It was about 140 years earlier and on the east coast small pox had not been a big problem. I was thinking of the myth that Thanksgiving has been a continuing celebration since the arrival of the Puritans -- celebrating how together the settlers and the Indians feasted at the end of the season. Maybe the first arrivers needed their help so badly that they didn't dare kill them all off right away. I wonder how many history teachers know about these things.
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Post by xna on Jan 14, 2015 5:49:04 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Jan 14, 2015 5:54:05 GMT -5
Still not as bad as 2 Kings 23 Elisha Is Jeered 23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 11:54:33 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 14, 2015 15:21:46 GMT -5
Still not as bad as 2 Kings 23 Elisha Is Jeered 23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. Too bad there weren't any bears in Paris -- those guys may still be around to exercise revenge. Believe it or not, I heard this threat in a gospel meeting one time. I was trying to decide whether being mauled by a bear was preferable to hell fire and brimstone.
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Post by snow on Jan 14, 2015 15:21:52 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 14, 2015 15:23:49 GMT -5
I LOVE uncensored material.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 14, 2015 15:35:25 GMT -5
Most people haven't figured out yet that the media controls what they get to know about the world -- that is, what their owners approve for public consumption.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 14, 2015 15:58:38 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Jan 14, 2015 16:44:54 GMT -5
Well they will likely be explained away as 'not real Christians'. Since that is the rhetoric we get when we point out that it was Christians that killed during the Crusades and the Inquisition, why would it be any different now when talking about the Norway terrorist or Hitler for that matter. But they won't accept it if Muslims claim 'they aren't real Muslims'. The author has it right I think when they say it's just too scary to contemplate the enemy being 'us'. Easier to control if it's the 'other' guy.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 14, 2015 16:52:20 GMT -5
Well they will likely be explained away as 'not real Christians'. Since that is the rhetoric we get when we point out that it was Christians that killed during the Crusades and the Inquisition, why would it be any different now when talking about the Norway terrorist or Hitler for that matter. But they won't accept it if Muslims claim 'they aren't real Muslims'. The author has it right I think when they say it's just too scary to contemplate the enemy being 'us'. Easier to control if it's the 'other' guy. I can't understand why the media has suddenly leaked a few clips of Muslims proclaiming that the terrorists are not real Muslims. They've relegated all that Muslim protest against terrorism to the back pages of newspapers if they've acknowledged it at all. Now we have that Rupert what's his name in England demanding that all Muslims be held responsible until they clean up their terrorism problem. How about Christians being held responsible for their terrorism problem? Snow, aren't you somehow responsible for that massacre in Norway -- oh, I forgot, you're not a Christian. Sorry.
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Post by snow on Jan 14, 2015 17:45:51 GMT -5
Well they will likely be explained away as 'not real Christians'. Since that is the rhetoric we get when we point out that it was Christians that killed during the Crusades and the Inquisition, why would it be any different now when talking about the Norway terrorist or Hitler for that matter. But they won't accept it if Muslims claim 'they aren't real Muslims'. The author has it right I think when they say it's just too scary to contemplate the enemy being 'us'. Easier to control if it's the 'other' guy. I can't understand why the media has suddenly leaked a few clips of Muslims proclaiming that the terrorists are not real Muslims. They've relegated all that Muslim protest against terrorism to the back pages of newspapers if they've acknowledged it at all. Now we have that Rupert what's his name in England demanding that all Muslims be held responsible until they clean up their terrorism problem. How about Christians being held responsible for their terrorism problem? Snow, aren't you somehow responsible for that massacre in Norway -- oh, I forgot, you're not a Christian. Sorry. Ha! No I'm likely responsible for Stalin or Mao Zedong. I think it's time for all of us to understand that Christians, Muslims, atheists and all other different religions will have those among them that give the rest of them a bad name. It's also time for people to understand that extremists in these groups do not make the rest of the group 'bad'.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 14, 2015 18:00:51 GMT -5
I can't understand why the media has suddenly leaked a few clips of Muslims proclaiming that the terrorists are not real Muslims. They've relegated all that Muslim protest against terrorism to the back pages of newspapers if they've acknowledged it at all. Now we have that Rupert what's his name in England demanding that all Muslims be held responsible until they clean up their terrorism problem. How about Christians being held responsible for their terrorism problem? Snow, aren't you somehow responsible for that massacre in Norway -- oh, I forgot, you're not a Christian. Sorry. Ha! No I'm likely responsible for Stalin or Mao Zedong. I think it's time for all of us to understand that Christians, Muslims, atheists and all other different religions will have those among them that give the rest of them a bad name. It's also time for people to understand that extremists in these groups do not make the rest of the group 'bad'. The reality is, there is no religion on earth that can withstand the terrorists that operate in their name. I found it very interesting a few years ago to hear that Pope Benedict described CSA among the priesthood to be a persecution against the church. If inside criminal activity among Christians constitutes "persecution" of the church, does not Islamist (I did not say Muslim) terrorism constitute persecution against Muslims? I think Christians should consider that, if they believe they treat all human beings equally.
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Post by snow on Jan 14, 2015 18:51:57 GMT -5
Ha! No I'm likely responsible for Stalin or Mao Zedong. I think it's time for all of us to understand that Christians, Muslims, atheists and all other different religions will have those among them that give the rest of them a bad name. It's also time for people to understand that extremists in these groups do not make the rest of the group 'bad'. The reality is, there is no religion on earth that can withstand the terrorists that operate in their name. I found it very interesting a few years ago to hear that Pope Benedict described CSA among the priesthood to be a persecution against the church. If inside criminal activity among Christians constitutes "persecution" of the church, does not Islamist (I did not say Muslim) terrorism constitute persecution against Muslims? I think Christians should consider that, if they believe they treat all human beings equally. It's an interesting question. Personally I think religion cries 'persecution' far too much. They have been so used to getting what they want, don't question anything religious, but the world is smartening up and saying that religion should not be exempt from criticism where it's warranted. CSA and terrorism should be a straight forward example of that imo.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 14, 2015 19:54:46 GMT -5
The reality is, there is no religion on earth that can withstand the terrorists that operate in their name. I found it very interesting a few years ago to hear that Pope Benedict described CSA among the priesthood to be a persecution against the church. If inside criminal activity among Christians constitutes "persecution" of the church, does not Islamist (I did not say Muslim) terrorism constitute persecution against Muslims? I think Christians should consider that, if they believe they treat all human beings equally. It's an interesting question. Personally I think religion cries 'persecution' far too much. They have been so used to getting what they want, don't question anything religious, but the world is smartening up and saying that religion should not be exempt from criticism where it's warranted. CSA and terrorism should be a straight forward example of that imo. In fact, if religions actually admitted protecting their own criminals, it would make life a lot easier for both them and the victims, as well as the religious people who are not responsible. It is a despicable thing to reflect blame on innocent people. But then, the problem with religions is that so many of them make the same claim of righteousness as all the rest, so who is to know which "sect" is above board and which ones are fronts for politicians and terrorists?
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