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Post by fixit on Feb 24, 2015 20:30:36 GMT -5
What do you consider hate speech? You can't forbid people to say they hate something. They already forbid people from threatening harm to people. I consider it hate speech when Muslim congregations are exhorted to fight against Israel, the West, Jews, Christians, anybody. I also consider it hate speech when congregations are told that those leaving their religion deserve to die. And kids textbooks referring to Jews and Christians as apes and pigs is not exactly helpful.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 24, 2015 20:50:53 GMT -5
What do you consider hate speech? You can't forbid people to say they hate something. They already forbid people from threatening harm to people. I consider it hate speech when Muslim congregations are exhorted to fight against Israel, the West, Jews, Christians, anybody. "Exhorting to fight" is not hate speech -- when the US campaigns for volunteers to fight our enemies. I doubt you find exhortations to fight ISIS to be hate speech. Saying someone deserves anything is not hate speech -- it's an opinion of what the consequences should be. Have you ever commented that someone was worthy of the death penalty? Did you believe everything in your textbooks?
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Post by fixit on Feb 24, 2015 22:08:57 GMT -5
Play with words if you like Bob, but it won't change the reality that the call to arms is coming from within Islam more than anywhere else.
Calling for a congregation to fight the society in which it lives should be considered treason.
When preachers exhort their congregation to take up arms it can hardly be considered a "religion of peace".
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 24, 2015 22:36:42 GMT -5
Play with words if you like Bob, but it won't change the reality that the call to arms is coming from within Islam more than anywhere else. I'm not playing with words. And I never suggested that the call to arms was coming from anywhere other than Islamic terrorists. What I said was that exhorting people to take up arms against a (foreign) enemy is not necessarily hate speech. Was it hate speech when your government called to combat fascism in WW II? Who is calling congregations to fight the society they live in? ISIS doesn't live in your society, you don't live in theirs. You'll have to take that matter up with religious people -- I can't defend any of them.
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Post by Mary on Feb 24, 2015 22:55:37 GMT -5
If fixit said the sky was blue, Bob would say no, it is grey (or even white if lots of clouds). If fixit said the grass was green, Bob would say no it is white (bcz it's covered in snow or even brown if there was a drought). If fixit said the world was round, Bob would say no, it's flat when I look out my window or he might even say it's mountainous if he was in the mountains. Give up while you're ahead fixit.
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Post by fixit on Feb 24, 2015 23:12:08 GMT -5
Who is calling congregations to fight the society they live in? ISIS doesn't live in your society, you don't live in theirs. A year ago France announced that it would expel Imams who preach against the West and call for the death of all those who deviate from Islam. Canada, the US, Australia and other free countries need to do the same. rt.com/news/france-expel-radical-imams-005/
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Post by snow on Feb 25, 2015 0:01:01 GMT -5
Spreading negative propaganda about Muslims in general is putting those who are innocent at risk. You wouldn't like it if all Christians were viewed as members of the KKK. I doubt if Muslims want to be viewed as members of or supportive of ISIS. Do you think discussing the facts is "negative propaganda"? There is far more "negative propaganda" coming from the Muslim side than from the non-Muslim side. Yet we can't even discuss that without being considered "Islamophobic". Laws around religious hate-speech need to be tightened and enforced. As with any problem, the first step to resolving the issue is acknowledging that there is a problem. We know that Islamist radicalisation is a big problem, but many folks in the West haven't yet figured out that it's coming from within the Muslim community. Two wrongs don't make a right. Lowering ourselves to their standards doesn't help anyone. I think you'd really need to be out of the loop to not have heard about what is happening. The challenge is to get the right information out there and not a lot of hate propaganda. That is what a lot of it is right now. I recognize people are scared, and I sympathize with that. But sometimes we can make it worse when responding from a place of fear. I certainly am not saying don't talk about it. I just think it needs to be done in a responsible manner. But then, what do I know.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 25, 2015 0:10:19 GMT -5
A year ago France announced that it would expel Imams who preach against the West and call for the death of all those who deviate from Islam.Canada, the US, Australia and other free countries need to do the same. Perhaps we should have "expelled" Rousas John Rushdoony from the US?Rousas John Rushdoony: was the seminal leader of the Christian Reconstructionist theology in the United States.
Rushdoony supported the reinstatement of the Mosaic law's penal sanctions.
Under such a system, the list of civil crimes which carried a death sentence would include homosexuality, adultery, incest, lying about one's virginity, bestiality, witchcraft, idolatry or apostasy, public blasphemy, false prophesying, kidnapping, rape, and bearing false witness in a capital case.
In short, he sought to cast a vision for the reconstruction of society based on Christian principles.
The book was also
critical of democracy.
He wrote that "the heresy of democracy has since then worked havoc in church and state ... Christianity and democracy are inevitably enemies." exerts from wiki
Before anyone claims him to be a loner, he set up a group to which other fundamentalist Christians became members.
Rushdoony founded the Chalcedon Foundation;
Under Rushdoony, the Chalcedon Foundation grew to twelve staff members with between 25,000–40,000 people on their mailing lists during the 1980s.
Chalcedon and Reconstructionism obtained the support of major Christian book publishers and endorsements from influential evangelical leaders including Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Frank Schaeffer (who later repudiated the movement)
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 25, 2015 0:31:17 GMT -5
Who is calling congregations to fight the society they live in? ISIS doesn't live in your society, you don't live in theirs. A year ago France announced that it would expel Imams who preach against the West and call for the death of all those who deviate from Islam. Canada, the US, Australia and other free countries need to do the same. rt.com/news/france-expel-radical-imams-005/Are you trying to convince me of something? I've already dealt with all your issues myself, and I can't foresee you breaking any new ground with me. I am inundated with your viewpoint daily and have answered all those issues to my own satisfaction. So I'm curious why you keep repeating much of the same rhetoric.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 4, 2015 0:04:25 GMT -5
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Post by xna on May 28, 2015 19:15:49 GMT -5
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