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Post by rational on Oct 27, 2014 14:41:03 GMT -5
I have sent an email to Craig Campobasso, movie producer and gave him my Valiant Thor page on my message board. I'm looking forward to hear from him and to hear what he thinks of my article on Valiant Thor, Jesus Christ our Creator of the Universe and Lord God Savior of humanity. Let's see - you are asking a movie producer for facts? About what? The plot? Extra's names? The fact that Sylvia Browne has endorsed Craig Campobasso's book really puts the stamp of approval on that book. Browne was arguably the biggest fraud in the paranormal business. She claimed a 87-90% success rate but when examined out of the 115 cases available for examination Browne’s accuracy was 0 percent. She misled the families of many victims by claiming to have insight into what had happened. She, in effect, lied to the families for money. And these are the people. NathanB, that you turn to for verification. To give credit where credit is due - Campobasso's film won "Best Sci-Fi Short Film" in Sept 2014. And I assume we all know what Sci-Fi means.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 27, 2014 14:58:58 GMT -5
I have sent an email to Craig Campobasso, movie producer and gave him my Valiant Thor page on my message board. I'm looking forward to hear from him and to hear what he thinks of my article on Valiant Thor, Jesus Christ our Creator of the Universe and Lord God Savior of humanity. Let's see - you are asking a movie producer for facts? About what? The plot? Extra's names? The fact that Sylvia Browne has endorsed Craig Campobasso's book really puts the stamp of approval on that book. Browne was arguably the biggest fraud in the paranormal business. She claimed a 87-90% success rate but when examined out of the 115 cases available for examination Browne’s accuracy was 0 percent. She misled the families of many victims by claiming to have insight into what had happened. She, in effect, lied to the families for money. And these are the people. NathanB, that you turn to for verification. To give credit where credit is due - Campobasso's film won "Best Sci-Fi Short Film" in Sept 2014. And I assume we all know what Sci-Fi means. Yes, MOST of us do know what Sci-Fi means.
But I'm afraid Nathan has crossed the line between the Science part & the Fiction part & is lost in UFO land forever.
It should be interesting to see if Craig Campobasso ever even answers Nathan's e-mail!
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 27, 2014 15:33:50 GMT -5
James Randi challenge to Sylvia Bronne:
Scientific skeptic James Randi, a retired stage magician and investigator of paranormal claims, was a vocal critic of Browne and claimed her accuracy rate was no better than educated guessing.[39]
On September 3, 2001, Browne stated on Larry King Live that she would prove her legitimacy by accepting the James Randi Educational Foundation's One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge to demonstrate supernatural abilities in a controlled scientific test.
[39][40] However, by April 2003, Browne had not contacted Randi to make testing arrangements.[41]
On May 16, 2003, in another appearance on King's show, Browne said she had not taken the test because Randi refused to place the prize money in escrow.[41] Randi responded by mailing a notarized copy of the prize account status showing a balance in excess of one million dollars; Browne refused to accept the letter.[41][42] In late 2003, despite challenge rules that money could not be placed in escrow, Randi announced that he was willing to do so for Browne; Browne did not accept or acknowledge this offer. In 2005, Browne posted a message online that she had never received confirmation of the prize money's existence, despite Randi's claim that he had a certified mail receipt showing Browne's refusal of the package.[43]
In 2007, on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360°, Browne's business manager Linda Rossi stated that Browne would not be taking Randi's challenge "because she has nothing to prove to James Randi".
Yet another psychic who states she can receive messages that no one else can, dodges & twists to evade exposure as a fraud.
If she, herself, sincerely believed that she was able to do such things, she should be happy to have her ability verified by taking the challenge.
As most frauds, she knows that she cannot produce her claims.
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Post by rational on Oct 27, 2014 16:51:08 GMT -5
Did they say Valiant Thor story: Stranger at the Pentagon is Science fiction movie? OR did you think and believe Valiant Thor story is Science fiction? It won an award for being the best science fiction movie presented at the Berkeley festival. They knew it was science fiction because it violated so many physical laws and presented so many 'facts' that can be demonstrated as false that they knew it was not science. It's fiction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 4:52:51 GMT -5
I'll say this, after seeing all this strange stuff about science fiction and Valiant Thor, etc. my mind is so confused and muddled at this point that I am wondering if I a should get down on my knees a cry out in agony : My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me. ps : It is getting worse, I just imagined that I saw three pigs flying over the house next door- so pigs can fly.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 28, 2014 5:42:59 GMT -5
Hahaha..
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 28, 2014 12:42:44 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that Jesus would use someone who would be willing to be openly identified publicly, not someone who works from behind a 'top secret' level of anonymity. The person would be in the public eye, and carrying his message to the masses, not through second and third hand accounts of his existence.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 28, 2014 13:20:39 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that Jesus would use someone who would be willing to be openly identified publicly, not someone who works from behind a 'top secret' level of anonymity. The person would be in the public eye, and carrying his message to the masses, not through second and third hand accounts of his existence. Valiant Thor wanted the earth people around the world to know his mission and message which He had given by Jesus Christ to those living on the earth. However, Most of the US high ranking officials generals wanted LOCKED Valiant Thor in Pentagon apartment from exposing him the public awareness! He has a message for the world to know....(At 8:03- 8:26) A beautiful picture of Valiant Thor, Don Thor (in the middle) and Jill. Story of Valiant Thor met president Eisenhower 1957. Val has no finger prints. He is able to see through walls. Val came here to save mankind from Nuclear wars extinction. Val is one of the leaders of Venusians, less violent people. (At 9:16) Val said his race of people lived within Venus, inside the planet NOT on the surface which is too HOT. Val Thor met Dr. stranges in 1959, Donn Thor could walk through walls. Dr. stranges traveled often with Val/Donn on their space ship to his planet. (At 13:17---) Val had no palms and finger prints. They are mark of mankind, Valiant/Venusians don't have fingers/palms prints. Val is created Being and race of people created by God. Val told Dr. Stranges that The Venusians never stop walking with the Lord/Jesus. Val came bring solution to overcome disease, poverty, more efficient energy. They refused his offer, all they want to know is how his ship operate/Technology for military use. Val came with 4 phrases programs on earth. 1) To contact all world leaders let them know the existence of beings from other planets 2) To contact all religious leaders and introduce themselves to them. 3) To contact of ALL of university, colleges with this information. 4) To raise the public awareness of Beings from other worlds because it does not come through media channel. www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUDGv5lznlcbgOeH5-pqo5MQ&v=Zq21hb4y89Y&feature=player_embedded The Spaceman DepartsOn March 16, 1960 Val dematerialized and departed from this phase of his Earthly mission. His next stop was the outskirts of Alexandria, Virginia where his ship and his crew awaited his arrival, hidden by a wooded area. It was no problem for him to reassemble the atoms of his body inside his ship. As his craft rose slowly, a number of people stopped and pointed excitedly in his direction. Others stood motionless, transfixed by the sight which they beheld. He felt such a tremendous feeling of love for all of them. On the way back to Victor One, he meditated on his home planet, the low, heavy, colorful clouds, the even temperatures, the perfectly diffused sunlight that made shadows almost nonexistent, the lushness of the rich green grass surrounding his home. He was informed of several Earth people with whom he would maintain contact for a long time into the future. Strangely enough, those who knew of his presence, yet who claimed disbelief, were those who feared the most. Others figured THEY should have been the ones contacted and not those who were. Upon returning to his home planet, he advised the Council of Central Control of the results of his Earth visit including the failure of the leaders of the United States to "take him up" on his offer of advice and assistance to the human family. He was given the following instructions:
To mingle with and become as Earth people To work and labor in Earth enterprises To help those who encounter possible threat or danger while striving for world peace To give them advice and guidance To entrust with superior knowledge those who have proven themselves Divulge the essence of their mission to the collective national leaders of Earth, only when the time is right.
As of this writing, he continues with this mission, at the same time assisting in preventing our "civilization" from being the cause of orbital chaos by the destruction of our planet. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/stranges.htmSo Mr Thor is currently mingling with Earth people, but under a disguise so no one actually knows who he is? How is he giving any advice if no one knows his mission on Earth?
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 28, 2014 13:47:13 GMT -5
Why would that have anything to do with whether one is saved or not? If Mr Thor was concerned with people being saved, he would be on TV, radio or having speaking engagements to let people know who he is, and why he is here. Much the same as Jesus and his Apostles did, but through the use of modern communications.
Hiding his light under a bushel basket where people can't see him is certainly not going to spread any message.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 14:17:07 GMT -5
Why would that have anything to do with whether one is saved or not? If Mr Thor was concerned with people being saved, he would be on TV, radio or having speaking engagements to let people know who he is, and why he is here. Much the same as Jesus and his Apostles did, but through the use of modern communications. Hiding his light under a bushel basket where people can't see him is certainly not going to spread any message. Perhaps Valiant wants to do things in the "para-Thor-mal" way?
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 28, 2014 14:24:16 GMT -5
BUT.... while Jesus was alive, he visited with all the regular folks. He held sermons from a boat, on a mountainside, appeared to the regular folks around the village well, and everywhere he went the regular folks came to listen to him, touch him, and for healing.
Lots of eyewitness accounts by lots of people in large groups.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 28, 2014 14:25:31 GMT -5
If there really were a Mr Thor, his message would be about jesus, and shared with regular people.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 14:28:38 GMT -5
I wonder if Nathan can produce some quotes from Mr Thor regarding how he referred to Jesus, e.g. Son of God, God the Son, God, Triune God, Trinity etc?
Even the devils recognised Jesus as the "Son of God" and feared and trembled at this name only. They evacuated their spiritual bowels at the truth of whom Jesus is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 14:46:32 GMT -5
Nathan, you are quoting a statement from Dr Stranges and HIS understanding, not from Valiant Thor. I have already provided you with enough information to show that the statement "I am" is at best variously interpreted and I do not share your understanding. Do you have any direct quotes from Valiant Thor about Jesus, in answer to the context that I asked? Surely he would know? Even the devils know the truth about Jesus being the Son of God, whom they can't deny and also tremble at.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 28, 2014 14:56:37 GMT -5
I'm only interested in Mr Thor's sermons or talks with the regular folks. I don't identify or trust in one who doesn't reach out to the regular folks in a public way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 14:59:01 GMT -5
Nathan, you are quoting a statement from Dr Stranges and HIS understanding, not from Valiant Thor. I have already provided you with enough information to show that the statement "I am" is at best variously interpreted and I do not share your understanding. Do you have any direct quotes from Valiant Thor about Jesus, in answer to the context that I asked? Surely he would know? Even the devils know the truth about Jesus being the Son of God, whom they can't deny and also tremble at. That is from DEAD Sea Scrolls! NOT from VT or Dr. Stranges statements or their understanding!And therefore the interpretation is at the mercy of the theologians, unless we trust the Holy Spirit of God to enlighten us. Now back to my question about Mr Thor's revelations as to whom Jesus is? Do you have a list?
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 28, 2014 15:05:18 GMT -5
Not interested.
If there is someone here on earth as an emissary of Jesus, then I want to HEAR what they have to say, and SEE them speaking it.
With today's methods of communication, any emissary of Jesus speaking with His authority is going to be in the public, for the public to hear and see.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 28, 2014 15:34:39 GMT -5
This isn't anything new. You can hear basically the same message in any Christian church.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 28, 2014 16:05:00 GMT -5
This isn't anything new. You can hear basically the same message in any Christian church. NOT really. I have attended different churches myself. You don't hear the preachers preach Jesus New Testament ministry and the New Testament church/fellowship for today! They believe what Jesus and the apostles lived and taught do NOT apply for them and us believers today. So, I wouldn't say the same message is peached in most Christian churches today. And you never heard: He today has assumed His rightful position as the ruler of the universe and is preparing a place and a time for all who are called by His Name to ascend far above the clouds to where His Power and Authority shall never again be disputed.Jesus told us: And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you to myself; that where I am, there you may be also. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
You should find a church that discusses what Jesus said and taught.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 16:24:05 GMT -5
And therefore the interpretation is at the mercy of the theologians, unless we trust the Holy Spirit of God to enlighten us. Now back to my question about Mr Thor's revelations as to whom Jesus is? Do you have a list? We (Pastor Frank and Valiant Thor) discussed the merits of Jesus Christ ... how He gave His Life freely... so that men could enjoy the benefits of eternal life. I questioned him about a Bible on Venus and he assured me that a personal unbroken fellowship with the "Author" did not necessitate the printing of a "book". He found it amusing that many theologians attempt to discredit both Jesus Christ and The Bible. The very God many have said is "dead" continues to lavish them with all good things. Perhaps they will, in time, permit the spark of Divine Light to again illuminate their troubled hearts. In answer to my question of what he thought of Jesus Christ, he said, "I know that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega of yours and everyone else faith. He today has assumed His rightful position as the ruler of the universe and is preparing a place and a time for all who are called by His Name to ascend far above the clouds to where His Power and Authority shall never again be disputed.
Nice try Nathan. This has been addressed over on the other thread.
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Post by snow on Oct 28, 2014 18:38:45 GMT -5
Nathan, you are quoting a statement from Dr Stranges and HIS understanding, not from Valiant Thor. I have already provided you with enough information to show that the statement "I am" is at best variously interpreted and I do not share your understanding. Do you have any direct quotes from Valiant Thor about Jesus, in answer to the context that I asked? Surely he would know? Even the devils know the truth about Jesus being the Son of God, whom they can't deny and also tremble at. That is from DEAD Sea Scrolls! NOT from VT or Dr. Stranges statements or their understanding!Have you actually read the Dead Sea Scrolls. The ones that have been translated and available that is?
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 29, 2014 12:20:51 GMT -5
We (Pastor Frank and Valiant Thor) discussed the merits of Jesus Christ ... how He gave His Life freely... so that men could enjoy the benefits of eternal life. I questioned him about a Bible on Venus and he assured me that a personal unbroken fellowship with the "Author" did not necessitate the printing of a "book". He found it amusing that many theologians attempt to discredit both Jesus Christ and The Bible. The very God many have said is "dead" continues to lavish them with all good things.
I find this quote interesting, "He found it amusing that many theologians attempt to discredit both Jesus Christ and The Bible."
People are beginning to understand how Christianity & religions result from psyhcological needs of people to believe something.
Now that those religious beliefs are challenged by increased knowledge due to science, perhaps that is why they want to turn to supposedly other world beliefs for reassurance.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 29, 2014 13:04:17 GMT -5
Snow wrote: Have you actually read the Dead Sea Scrolls. The ones that have been translated and available that is? NOT yet. I only heard Dr. Stranges portion of the dead Sea Scrolls and I've posted his finding on my message board. I might order Dr. Frank Stranges 3 DVDs on the Dead Sea Scrolls writings revealed by Valiant Thor to him. I think Dr. Stranges have many interesting information on the Dead Sea Scrolls writings than what is presented to us. I believe whoever in charge of the Dead Sea Scrolls today are withholding a lot of information amazing from the public.I will write to Dr. Stranges' niece and get the 3 DVDs of her dad Dead Sea Scrolls. I will let her know about my message board about Valiant Thor and her dad life and work. See where the money is made off of hoaxs? Dr. Frank Stranges 3 DVDs on the Dead Sea Scrolls $37.98 -
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 29, 2014 13:52:45 GMT -5
Nathan, you are quoting a statement from Dr Stranges and HIS understanding, not from Valiant Thor. I have already provided you with enough information to show that the statement "I am" is at best variously interpreted and I do not share your understanding. Do you have any direct quotes from Valiant Thor about Jesus, in answer to the context that I asked? Surely he would know? Even the devils know the truth about Jesus being the Son of God, whom they can't deny and also tremble at. That is from DEAD Sea Scrolls! NOT from VT or Dr. Stranges statements or their understanding! Your information on the DEAD SEA SCROLLS came from Jeff Rense, whose credibility is also is dubious! Jeff Rense
Sightings (1992–1997)"A look at the world of the paranormal, including visitors from outer space, ghosts and spirits, cryptozoology, and other phenomena outside the realm of conventional science. The show includes many interviews with people who have witnessed and, in some cases, been abducted by these unknown entities." Why don't you quote someone who isn't so biased who wants to believe in such nonsense? -
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 29, 2014 14:26:42 GMT -5
See where the money is made off of hoaxs? Dr. Frank Stranges 3 DVDs on the Dead Sea Scrolls $37.98 - Well, Dr. Frank is DEAD now.... What would the money do for him in Eternity? buy a place in Paradise?Dmg, I know you sell books too... Are the books you are selling all hoaxes? Are you getting rich by selling your books, dmg? Are you trying to cons people with your hoax books, Dmg? or are you trying to inform people with your books?I can get Nathan, the books I sell are used books, most of which my husband & I had collected over a life time of reading.
Since they aren't books that I have written, I could hardly be "coning" people or perpetuating "hoaxes."
My husband was a scholar & he could see a fake or a hoax a mile away. Our books on the Dead Sea Scrolls are by scholars, Robert Eienman an American biblical scholar, theoretical writer, historian, archaeologist, and "road" poet. He is currently Professor of Middle East Religions, ...
Another one is by Edmund Wilson,
I'm aware that Strange is dead now. He made a lot of money when he was alive.He wrote at least 13 books, spoke at numerous ufo conventions had multitude of dvd's- It was a living for him.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 29, 2014 14:48:53 GMT -5
Your information on the DEAD SEA SCROLLS came from Jeff Rense, whose credibility is also is dubious! Jeff Rense
Sightings (1992–1997)"A look at the world of the paranormal, including visitors from outer space, ghosts and spirits, cryptozoology, and other phenomena outside the realm of conventional science. The show includes many interviews with people who have witnessed and, in some cases, been abducted by these unknown entities." Why don't you quote someone who isn't so biased who wants to believe in such nonsense? - Like I said many times before there are things you have little clues of, Dmg because of your athetist belief.... My Dead Sea Scroll information came from Valiant Thor who gave it to Dr. Stranges NOT from Jeff Rense.
The existence of ET and God prove your belief about homo Sapiens are alone, there is NO God in the Galaxy goes down the drain. I followed the paper trail to your quote:~~ Jesus The Great " I AM " God (From The Dead Sea Scrolls) and indeed it went back to Rense
rense.com Of The Dead Sea Scrolls Indeed amazingly enough, I didn't find any Dead Sea Scroll information coming from Valiant Thor !
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 29, 2014 14:55:34 GMT -5
Like I said many times before there are things you have little clues of, Dmg because of your athetist belief.... My Dead Sea Scroll information came from Valiant Thor who gave it to Dr. Stranges NOT from Jeff Rense.
The existence of ET and God prove your belief about homo Sapiens are alone, there is NO God in the Galaxy goes down the drain. Yep, -when all else fails just push the "atheist" button to explain why I am sooo... dumb!
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Post by faune on Oct 29, 2014 14:56:45 GMT -5
Not interested. If there is someone here on earth as an emissary of Jesus, then I want to HEAR what they have to say, and SEE them speaking it. With today's methods of communication, any emissary of Jesus speaking with His authority is going to be in the public, for the public to hear and see. You have the workers, the friends... and me. I have been sharing about Jesus for years. Your older brother and sister in law had seen and heard me preached in their field Bozeman, Montana for a year. I have posted my picture on TMB for all to see who I am. As a worker I preached in many communities in USA.Nathan ~ Well, I don't exactly trust the workers for anything these days, due to lessons I learned in my past. However, do the F&W's actually support your views regarding Valiant Thor, or is it some personal interest of yours apart from the F&W's? Sorry, but I tend to share Scott's opinion when it comes to ET's in the last days with some sort of message for us all. It's just too off-the-wall for me to take in!
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