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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 5:29:20 GMT -5
In PSM:22 we have glimpses of a suffering, tormented Massiah. In Math. 27: 46' it is said that as darkness covered the land and about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out: Eli, Eli, Lama Sabach Thanis, which translates : My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me.
Sometimes one gets the feelng that nothing goes right for him/ her, and there is so much pressure exerted on them from every day living.; I get that feeling myself sometimes; and the thought enters the mind and a feeling develops that we are being forsaken by the God we strive to serve faithfully.
Is long suffering all things in life part of enduring faithfully to the very end of life? It is written that those who endure to the end will be saved. The experiences of Job is a very good example for us. He really suffered much hardships but in spite of all the ill advice from his so-called friends and even from his wife, he did not curse God and die. He endured it all, and prospered. He was a godly man whose faith sustained him through fierce trials and sufferings; the challenge which the devil made with God failed. I get comfort from this story and when all seems dark and dismal, faith in God sustains me and gives me that extra strength to endure. We are not forsaken by God,what He does not hinder, He allows for reasons best known to Himself; now, that is a belivers's faith, we cannot/ should not question God. Of course others will have a contrary opinion / point of view, and they are entitled to their own opinions, just in the same way that job's wife and friends were entitled to theirs.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 22, 2014 10:53:54 GMT -5
I've read and reread the scriptures concerning these phrases "My God, my God! Why has thou forsaken me." This was a "human" response that Jesus gave out...this was something that Jesus did not know would happen and the pure agony of it was the worst thing that had ever happened to Jesus for we know he had told his followers many times that his Father was always with him! Wjy was this experience necessary....it was so that he could taste the very hell that all unsaved souls will taste when they die and there are no more days, or mins. to repent and appeal for forgiveness! And certainly this was the last finale experience that Jesus must experience so he could easily say that he knew how poor lost souls felt!
Will this enable him to offer forgiveness in the depths of the grave as he did when he went down into the depths of hell and the grave? I would say that all things are possible and that I'm sure that when there is a question as to whether Jesus will do such things, I'd say his word to his Father would be "Father, these are the things I died for, is it not?" A loving FAther then will certainly continue to allow his Son to continue his judgment in all things.
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Post by christiansburg on Oct 22, 2014 11:00:16 GMT -5
In PSM:22 we have glimpses of a suffering, tormented Massiah. In Math. 27: 46' it is said that as darkness covered the land and about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out: Eli, Eli, Lama Sabach Thanis, which translates : My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me. Sometimes one gets the feelng that nothing goes right for him/ her, and there is so much pressure exerted on them from every day living.; I get that feeling myself sometimes; and the thought enters the mind and a feeling develops that we are being forsaken by the God we strive to serve faithfully. Is long suffering all things in life part of enduring faithfully to the very end of life? It is written that those who endure to the end will be saved. The experiences of Job is a very good example for us. He really suffered much hardships but in spite of all the ill advice from his so-called friends and even from his wife, he did not curse God and die. He endured it all, and prospered. He was a godly man whose faith sustained him through fierce trials and sufferings; the challenge which the devil made with God failed. I get comfort from this story and when all seems dark and dismal, faith in God sustains me and gives me that extra strength to endure. We are not forsaken by God,what He does not hinder, He allows for reasons best known to Himself; now, that is a belivers's faith, we cannot/ should not question God. Of course others will have a contrary opinion / point of view, and they are entitled to their own opinions, just in the same way that job's wife and friends were entitled to theirs. Job survived because of his love and respect for God. This is one thing the devil will never understand: "The love of man for a loving God."
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Post by snow on Oct 22, 2014 11:11:03 GMT -5
The problem as I see it, is finding a loving God.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 22, 2014 16:37:15 GMT -5
In PSM:22 we have glimpses of a suffering, tormented Massiah. In Math. 27: 46' it is said that as darkness covered the land and about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out: Eli, Eli, Lama Sabach Thanis, which translates : My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me. Sometimes one gets the feelng that nothing goes right for him/ her, and there is so much pressure exerted on them from every day living.; I get that feeling myself sometimes; and the thought enters the mind and a feeling develops that we are being forsaken by the God we strive to serve faithfully. Is long suffering all things in life part of enduring faithfully to the very end of life? It is written that those who endure to the end will be saved. The experiences of Job is a very good example for us. He really suffered much hardships but in spite of all the ill advice from his so-called friends and even from his wife, he did not curse God and die. He endured it all, and prospered. He was a godly man whose faith sustained him through fierce trials and sufferings; the challenge which the devil made with God failed. I get comfort from this story and when all seems dark and dismal, faith in God sustains me and gives me that extra strength to endure. We are not forsaken by God,what He does not hinder, He allows for reasons best known to Himself; now, that is a belivers's faith, we cannot/ should not question God. Of course others will have a contrary opinion / point of view, and they are entitled to their own opinions, just in the same way that job's wife and friends were entitled to theirs. There was one particular time in my life where daily I cried out quoting many of the Psalms as David did. I was going through a very difficult shaking experience. I figured if David could say those things to God then so can I. After all he is my father too. Then I would quote the verses relating to 'destroying my enimies'. What I didnt know and understand then was the power of the spoken word. Nor. The power of the word of god. If it is sharper than a double edged sword to dividing soul and spirit, bone and marrow. Then that is powerful. Quoting out loud. Works. My enemies are not flesh and blood. They are principalities and powers spirits of wickedness in high places. When we speak out the word like I quoted in my anguish and grief. Something happens. I now know it as declaration. We can then take positive scriptures speak those over our lives. I now know this as proclamation. Through my life ive gone through many seasons. No doubt will in the future. In a winter season all is bleak and cold you feel like god doesnt hear your prayer. In those times I would remind him that I know he hasnt and wont forsake me because his word tells me that. Discouragement is powerful but encouragement is more powerful. The great thing about these kinds of experiences is that you come out victorious. You survive it a stronger person.then the spring comes.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 22, 2014 23:08:28 GMT -5
The problem as I see it, is finding a loving God. Right, what kind of all perfect, loving god would create a people so imperfect that they would "sin," so that they would then have to be "saved" and therefore kill his own son so they would be "saved?"
Or for that matter, what "loving" god would gamble with the devil over a righteous man like Job?
Job surviving because of his "love for a loving God" makes no sense"
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Post by christiansburg on Oct 23, 2014 11:57:11 GMT -5
The problem as I see it, is finding a loving God. Right, what kind of all perfect, loving god would create a people so imperfect that they would "sin," so that they would then have to be "saved" and therefore kill his own son so they would be "saved?"
Or for that matter, what "loving" god would gamble with the devil over a righteous man like Job?
Job surviving because of his "love for a loving God" makes no sense"
Sorry you don't understand this but it is nevertheless true.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 23, 2014 12:04:00 GMT -5
In PSM:22 we have glimpses of a suffering, tormented Massiah. In Math. 27: 46' it is said that as darkness covered the land and about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out: Eli, Eli, Lama Sabach Thanis, which translates : My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me. Sometimes one gets the feelng that nothing goes right for him/ her, and there is so much pressure exerted on them from every day living.; I get that feeling myself sometimes; and the thought enters the mind and a feeling develops that we are being forsaken by the God we strive to serve faithfully. Is long suffering all things in life part of enduring faithfully to the very end of life? It is written that those who endure to the end will be saved. The experiences of Job is a very good example for us. He really suffered much hardships but in spite of all the ill advice from his so-called friends and even from his wife, he did not curse God and die. He endured it all, and prospered. He was a godly man whose faith sustained him through fierce trials and sufferings; the challenge which the devil made with God failed. I get comfort from this story and when all seems dark and dismal, faith in God sustains me and gives me that extra strength to endure. We are not forsaken by God,what He does not hinder, He allows for reasons best known to Himself; now, that is a belivers's faith, we cannot/ should not question God. Of course others will have a contrary opinion / point of view, and they are entitled to their own opinions, just in the same way that job's wife and friends were entitled to theirs. There was one particular time in my life where daily I cried out quoting many of the Psalms as David did. I was going through a very difficult shaking experience. I figured if David could say those things to God then so can I. After all he is my father too. Then I would quote the verses relating to 'destroying my enimies'. What I didnt know and understand then was the power of the spoken word. Nor. The power of the word of god. If it is sharper than a double edged sword to dividing soul and spirit, bone and marrow. Then that is powerful. Quoting out loud. Works. My enemies are not flesh and blood. They are principalities and powers spirits of wickedness in high places. When we speak out the word like I quoted in my anguish and grief. Something happens. I now know it as declaration. We can then take positive scriptures speak those over our lives. I now know this as proclamation. Through my life ive gone through many seasons. No doubt will in the future. In a winter season all is bleak and cold you feel like god doesnt hear your prayer. In those times I would remind him that I know he hasnt and wont forsake me because his word tells me that. Discouragement is powerful but encouragement is more powerful. The great thing about these kinds of experiences is that you come out victorious. You survive it a stronger person.then the spring comes. Bubbles, I believe you're on to what works in the verbal declaration of what your soul requires! One thing I noticed in my reading lately that I have never heard spoken on, nor remember having read and in the light of what Jesus told John to write to the 7 churches in REvelations was all about enduring and overcoming. Well, this verse was said by Jesus when he was on the earth before his crucifixtion. Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. I thought we had to face the trials and tribulations to be proven, but according to Jesus we just must be "worthy" to escape them. I suppose to do so would just be "following Jesus" as he admonished Peter and others to always "follow me."
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 23, 2014 12:08:52 GMT -5
Right, what kind of all perfect, loving god would create a people so imperfect that they would "sin," so that they would then have to be "saved" and therefore kill his own son so they would be "saved?"
Or for that matter, what "loving" god would gamble with the devil over a righteous man like Job?
Job surviving because of his "love for a loving God" makes no sense"
Sorry you don't understand this but it is nevertheless true. Often in the OT, we can read where God has allowed certain experiences in the children of Israel's lives to allow them to prove to God that they "love Him with all their heart, mind, soul and strength." He was always seeking that love from them....God wanted love in return and when He didn't perceive a true love was offered, then what should He do? He had the right to test and admonish as He had created all things.....and why He didn't create man perfect? Well if man was perfect then there would have never been any procreation as we know in heaven there will be no begetting, and marrying, etfc!! Theere are just some things that are God's business and reasons and sometimes HE will reveal things to some, but not to others.....and that is because He knows that some cannot or will not use that revelations as He intended them to do so.
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Post by snow on Oct 23, 2014 12:15:42 GMT -5
The problem as I see it, is finding a loving God. Right, what kind of all perfect, loving god would create a people so imperfect that they would "sin," so that they would then have to be "saved" and therefore kill his own son so they would be "saved?"
Or for that matter, what "loving" god would gamble with the devil over a righteous man like Job?
Job surviving because of his "love for a loving God" makes no sense"
Exactly and once you see that, there is no going back to thinking the Christian God is anything close to loving. If that's the definition of love, it is more understandable why there is so little of it in the world. Look at the role model.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 12:31:33 GMT -5
There was one particular time in my life where daily I cried out quoting many of the Psalms as David did. I was going through a very difficult shaking experience. I figured if David could say those things to God then so can I. After all he is my father too. Then I would quote the verses relating to 'destroying my enimies'. What I didnt know and understand then was the power of the spoken word. Nor. The power of the word of god. If it is sharper than a double edged sword to dividing soul and spirit, bone and marrow. Then that is powerful. Quoting out loud. Works. My enemies are not flesh and blood. They are principalities and powers spirits of wickedness in high places. When we speak out the word like I quoted in my anguish and grief. Something happens. I now know it as declaration. We can then take positive scriptures speak those over our lives. I now know this as proclamation. Through my life ive gone through many seasons. No doubt will in the future. In a winter season all is bleak and cold you feel like god doesnt hear your prayer. In those times I would remind him that I know he hasnt and wont forsake me because his word tells me that. Discouragement is powerful but encouragement is more powerful. The great thing about these kinds of experiences is that you come out victorious. You survive it a stronger person.then the spring comes. Bubbles, I believe you're on to what works in the verbal declaration of what your soul requires! One thing I noticed in my reading lately that I have never heard spoken on, nor remember having read and in the light of what Jesus told John to write to the 7 churches in REvelations was all about enduring and overcoming. Well, this verse was said by Jesus when he was on the earth before his crucifixtion. Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. I thought we had to face the trials and tribulations to be proven, but according to Jesus we just must be "worthy" to escape them. I suppose to do so would just be "following Jesus" as he admonished Peter and others to always "follow me." Heads up for the encouragement STR. Yes I know those scriptures. And its not because we are worthy in our own eyes ( which we can be accused of) The whole dynamic of this is what he regards as worthy not us. This is what makes faith to an unbeliever even more confusing. To a believer it is inspiring to be a better human being to aim to live a life of peace and harmony instead of creating conflictt and war. Its not an easy thing to be an overcomer. But when you do begin to move with the power of the word the holy spirit. Your life is different. Things do happen. And heres the bit I like. We try. Only he knows just how victorious we have been in situations where everything was hopeless and we kept fighting. Faith is important to god. More than our obedience or any sacrifice we think we make.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 12:42:41 GMT -5
STR Theres something else. When we are bornagain our spirit is encased/ wrapped inside the love the father has for the son. Again because its spiritual some may not understand it. I think that love which is possibly the most powerful source is the thing that holds people to him regardless of how many times we feel we fail. Because of where hes taken me and lead me my confidence has increased. That inspires me. Not to let go in the difficult times. I know from experience his faithfulness to me personally. Which im grateful and thankful for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 13:33:04 GMT -5
STR Theres something else. When we are bornagain our spirit is encased/ wrapped inside the love the father has for the son. Again because its spiritual some may not understand it. I think that love which is possibly the most powerful source is the thing that holds people to him regardless of how many times we feel we fail. Because of where hes taken me and lead me my confidence has increased. That inspires me. Not to let go in the difficult times. I know from experience his faithfulness to me personally. Which im grateful and thankful for. Bubbles, I like your testimony, only a strong believer can give a testimony Like yours, smiling as I type this. For some reason it has cause hymn 23 to come to mind - " Oh, the love that sought me."Chorus"- Oh, the love that sought me! Oh, the blood that bought me! Oh, the grace that brought me to the fold- Wondrous grace that brought me to the fold! Serving God can be a very personal and individual thing/experience; it's like between yourself and God alone. He walks with you and He talks with you and He knows that you are His own. I like to go into the Park early in the morning and sit on a bench and observe nature at its best, birds chirping and playing, as I feed them, other creatures running freely around, the gentle breezes blowing the trees as the sun rises to light and heat the earth for the day, or maybe a shower of rain to cool it and water the plant life; and I feel very close the God and at peace. It is a wonderful feeling of contentment and I give thanks to God for His mercies. I can think of another hymn #409- Alone with God which is very comforting also.
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Post by snow on Oct 23, 2014 15:27:04 GMT -5
Exactly and once you see that, there is no going back to thinking the Christian God is anything close to loving. If that's the definition of love, it is more understandable why there is so little of it in the world. Look at the role model. I like to read about the LOVING God, whom we serve in the story of Jonah. God sent Jonah to preach the gospel/message of Repentance and to change their ways of life or He will destroy them all. Jonah was very upset when the people at Nineveh repented and God spared them from annihilation.
The Loving, kind, compassionate, and merciful God we serve
Jonah 4:4-11 Then said the Lord, Doest thou well to be angry?
5 So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.
6 And the Lord God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.
7 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.
8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.
9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.
10 Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:
11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than 120,000 thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
Nathan, the amount of times that God was not loving and downright horrific outweigh any time there was any compassion imo. You think he's loving, fine. I think he is the reason I would never worship a being like him. He allows for eternal torture of his creation. If he is all merciful, all loving and all powerful, there is no excuse for allowing this to happen. We are children in his eyes according to all the religious teachings. Children have to be prevented from making harmful decisions until they get to an age where they can make informed decisions. So why are we children if we worship God, but somehow have free will and are adults when we don't worship God? God is only merciful to those who worship him and agree with him. Not quite fair to condemn those'children' that make the wrong decision is it. So we are going to have to disagree on this point completely.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 16:36:52 GMT -5
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Thank you. I recognize that hymn. I enjoyed your post. I do have a strong unusual testimony. He has been good to me. I know that he doesnt need me to defend him but I cannot deny his grace and goodness nor mercy and kindness. Im currently developing a property and the other day it was a gorgeous spring day the variety of birds there was delightful listening to them sing and chirp happily. So restful.
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Post by snow on Oct 23, 2014 17:30:18 GMT -5
Nathan, the amount of times that God was not loving and downright horrific outweigh any time there was any compassion imo. You think he's loving, fine. I think he is the reason I would never worship a being like him. He allows for eternal torture of his creation. If he is all merciful, all loving and all powerful, there is no excuse for allowing this to happen. We are children in his eyes according to all the religious teachings. Children have to be prevented from making harmful decisions until they get to an age where they can make informed decisions. So why are we children if we worship God, but somehow have free will and are adults when we don't worship God? God is only merciful to those who worship him and agree with him. Not quite fair to condemn those children' that make the wrong decision is it. So we are going to have to disagree on this point completely. We are humans and we look things from humans point of view or small angle of a BIG picture. God sees the whole picture! There are things I don't understand, why things happened the way they did in the past, and things are happening right now in the world. However, I have GREAT confidence in God's decision for all the things He does... Sometimes I don't like the things which I see, but I must learn to WAIT and see the end results. From my own experiences with God the last 40 yrs, his end results have always turn out 100% better than mine own plan.I guess my problem is that I cannot agree that what he did in the OT is acceptable behavior for any being, human or God. To me you are making excuses for terrible behavior because he is a God. If humans do it it's horrific, but if God does it it's wonderful, all seeing, all knowing? I can't buy that. Of course you 'don't understand' when it comes to these things that God did. Who could understand that kind of behavior. To condone it is what is worrying. As far as our lives go, I don't see the work of any God in them. I see life happening as it will. Sometimes for the best and sometimes not.
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Post by snow on Oct 23, 2014 18:41:40 GMT -5
I guess my problem is that I cannot agree that what he did in the OT is acceptable behavior for any being, human or God. To me you are making excuses for terrible behavior because he is a God. If humans do it it's horrific, but if God does it it's wonderful, all seeing, all knowing? I can't buy that. Of course you 'don't understand' when it comes to these things that God did. Who could understand that kind of behavior. To condone it is what is worrying. As far as our lives go, I don't see the work of any God in them. I see life happening as it will. Sometimes for the best and sometimes not. Like I wrote many times in the past... We do NOT have access to ALL information of different races of beings, hybrid race children of Satan, demigods, the Pharaohs of Egypt, the giants exist in the Old Testament. Whoever translated the Bible they withheld these information and changed words from the original text.
~~ In Noah's days God destroyed the Nephilim= Hybrid race on the earth with the Great Flood the first time. As the earth filled with the Nephilim- Hybrid race again, the Reptilians, shape shifters, the Second time God will destroy on the earth with Fire from heaven. 2 Peter 3:7-13
We are living "As In The Days of Noah" Why did God choose to destroy the people that lived during the days of Noah? What was their sin?
~~ Genesis 6:1-4 The Son of God is Benni Elohim, which is used in reference to 200 Fallen angels, also known as the "Watchers" came earth to resided here, resulting in an unholy union between themselves and the earthly women.... Theirs offspring were the Nephilim/Giants! men of great strength. The children of the fallen ones, these Nephilims curse of God. They corrupt the entire earth with violence, so much that God had little choice to destroy them. It seemed that by corrupting the human offspring, the fallen angels may have altered human DNA so much that the human race was corrupt, tained, essentially non-human. If you follow this line of reasoning one step further, this would negate any hope of the promised Messiah/Jesus being of men!! Perhaps, this is why it says that Noah was PURE in all of his generation. The rest of the inhabitants of earth God destroyed in the GREAT FLOOD. www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr9OoqxbwHQ&feature=relatedNathan, why do you believe all this stuff? Really? It's totally bizarre and there truly is not a speck of credible evidence to back it up. You tube is not credible evidence. Anyone can make a video or write a book saying whatever they want. It seems the stranger the topic the more people fall for it. You say God destroyed the Nephilm in a world wide flood. There was no world wide flood. There is no hollow earth.
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Post by snow on Oct 23, 2014 18:58:02 GMT -5
Nathan, why do you believe all this stuff? Really? It's totally bizarre and there truly is not a speck of credible evidence to back it up. You tube is not credible evidence. Anyone can make a video or write a book saying whatever they want. It seems the stranger the topic the more people fall for it. You say God destroyed the Nephilm in a world wide flood. There was no world wide flood. There is no hollow earth. Watch and listen amazing evidences: 2.5 Millions viewersNephilim skulls are found around the worldwww.youtube.com/watch?v=1zz8_MxcnzY ~~ Pastor Douglas Hamp Corrupting the Image of God: by the Fallen Angels, Reptilians Serpent/Satan www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-iXHju3aKQwww.youtube.com/watch?v=e8q1Cxlwtb8We have discussed about world wide flood in the past. Let me repeat this AGAIN! the earth is hollow, there are caves, water, lands, cities, and beings from another worlds, and the Reptilians race have lived underground or Interior earth for thousands, and millions of years.Nathan, lots of viewers doesn't make it true. What kind of credentials do you require before you will believe something? This is you tube Nathan. How far down do you think these cities are? What do you think the earth is made of?
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Post by snow on Oct 23, 2014 19:10:34 GMT -5
Nathan, lots of viewers doesn't make it true. What kind of credentials do you require before you will believe something? This is you tube Nathan. How far down do you think these cities are? What do you think the earth is made of? What you and I have learned in school about the Inner earth is NOT all TRUE. I was in school and I remember what I taught in science class. They are NOT telling us the truth or they don't know the REAL fact about it because 98% have NEVER entered the inner or the hollow earth themselves. You never answered my question though. What do you think the earth is made of? Have you been to these cities, seen the entrances and followed them down into the earth? Where does lava come from? How can we use geothermal heat in our homes? Why would you believe in a You tube video and not believe a geologist?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 23, 2014 20:15:02 GMT -5
Bubbles, I believe you're on to what works in the verbal declaration of what your soul requires! One thing I noticed in my reading lately that I have never heard spoken on, nor remember having read and in the light of what Jesus told John to write to the 7 churches in REvelations was all about enduring and overcoming. Well, this verse was said by Jesus when he was on the earth before his crucifixtion. Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. I thought we had to face the trials and tribulations to be proven, but according to Jesus we just must be "worthy" to escape them. I suppose to do so would just be "following Jesus" as he admonished Peter and others to always "follow me." Heads up for the encouragement STR. Yes I know those scriptures. And its not because we are worthy in our own eyes ( which we can be accused of) The whole dynamic of this is what he regards as worthy not us. This is what makes faith to an unbeliever even more confusing. To a believer it is inspiring to be a better human being to aim to live a life of peace and harmony instead of creating conflictt and war. Its not an easy thing to be an overcomer. But when you do begin to move with the power of the word the holy spirit. Your life is different. Things do happen. And heres the bit I like. We try. Only he knows just how victorious we have been in situations where everything was hopeless and we kept fighting. Faith is important to god. More than our obedience or any sacrifice we think we make. You mention faith! And faith is the stronghold for the Christian! With out it, there would be no Christian! A preacher on TV last week said something I'd never put into the words that he did....he said, "Our faith is in that which is finished. That which is done. So why should our faith question anything?" It's true, if we believe in Jesus Christ, we have to take all of what he was and did and what He declared as "finished" as gospel truth and thus our faith is steady in him. And it seems to me IF we believe so strongly in that which has finished, then certainly we'll have no doubts about what Jesus will bring about in the future, eh?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 23, 2014 20:21:42 GMT -5
STR Theres something else. When we are bornagain our spirit is encased/ wrapped inside the love the father has for the son. Again because its spiritual some may not understand it. I think that love which is possibly the most powerful source is the thing that holds people to him regardless of how many times we feel we fail. Because of where hes taken me and lead me my confidence has increased. That inspires me. Not to let go in the difficult times. I know from experience his faithfulness to me personally. Which im grateful and thankful for. Bubbles, I like your testimony, only a strong believer can give a testimony Like yours, smiling as I type this. For some reason it has cause hymn 23 to come to mind - " Oh, the love that sought me."Chorus"- Oh, the love that sought me! Oh, the blood that bought me! Oh, the grace that brought me to the fold- Wondrous grace that brought me to the fold! Serving God can be a very personal and individual thing/experience; it's like between yourself and God alone. He walks with you and He talks with you and He knows that you are His own. I like to go into the Park early in the morning and sit on a bench and observe nature at its best, birds chirping and playing, as I feed them, other creatures running freely around, the gentle breezes blowing the trees as the sun rises to light and heat the earth for the day, or maybe a shower of rain to cool it and water the plant life; and I feel very close the God and at peace. It is a wonderful feeling of contentment and I give thanks to God for His mercies. I can think of another hymn #409- Alone with God which is very comforting also. I love to read in John's epistle where he comments about God being love......for God is love. Perhaps if we continued to look at him as a tough old mean man we will never actually see He really is love......I suppose tough love may reign there some and sometimes things told for the action and drama does cause some people to look like the blast of the blaze and the slugs of the gun! I have thought many times if we'd just start fresh with reading the bible and with only 3 words in our heads "God is love" that we might come to understand a bit more about God. I don't think we can ever understand the OT God because Jesus was the key to us understanding Him in the NT......and only when we saw Jesus would we know we had seen the Father....etc
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Post by snow on Oct 23, 2014 20:46:00 GMT -5
You never answered my question though. What do you think the earth is made of? Have you been to these cities, seen the entrances and followed them down into the earth? Where does lava come from? How can we use geothermal heat in our homes? Why would you believe in a You tube video and not believe a geologist? I haven't been to Inner earth, but I read of those who did entered the inner earth and they wrote about their experiences. They met and talked to these beings who live in the Inner earth for millions of years. Here's a Testimony and diary of Admiral Byrd as he entered the Hollow Earth with his plane.... listen at 5:49....... Manmoths, lands, Nazi UFO, Blond Nordic race welcome him and want to take a message back to his leaders...... listen at 5:49...www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk75QtxSYwYBut how do you determine if this is true and not a fake?
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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 23:50:38 GMT -5
Bubbles, I like your testimony, only a strong believer can give a testimony Like yours, smiling as I type this. For some reason it has cause hymn 23 to come to mind - " Oh, the love that sought me."Chorus"- Oh, the love that sought me! Oh, the blood that bought me! Oh, the grace that brought me to the fold- Wondrous grace that brought me to the fold! Serving God can be a very personal and individual thing/experience; it's like between yourself and God alone. He walks with you and He talks with you and He knows that you are His own. I like to go into the Park early in the morning and sit on a bench and observe nature at its best, birds chirping and playing, as I feed them, other creatures running freely around, the gentle breezes blowing the trees as the sun rises to light and heat the earth for the day, or maybe a shower of rain to cool it and water the plant life; and I feel very close the God and at peace. It is a wonderful feeling of contentment and I give thanks to God for His mercies. I can think of another hymn #409- Alone with God which is very comforting also. I love to read in John's epistle where he comments about God being love......for God is love. Perhaps if we continued to look at him as a tough old mean man we will never actually see He really is love......I suppose tough love may reign there some and sometimes things told for the action and drama does cause some people to look like the blast of the blaze and the slugs of the gun! I have thought many times if we'd just start fresh with reading the bible and with only 3 words in our heads "God is love" that we might come to understand a bit more about God. I don't think we can ever understand the OT God because Jesus was the key to us understanding Him in the NT......and only when we saw Jesus would we know we had seen the Father....etc STR Of all the disciples I love John. He is probably my favourite bible character after Christ . Thanks STR.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 23:58:41 GMT -5
Heads up for the encouragement STR. Yes I know those scriptures. And its not because we are worthy in our own eyes ( which we can be accused of) The whole dynamic of this is what he regards as worthy not us. This is what makes faith to an unbeliever even more confusing. To a believer it is inspiring to be a better human being to aim to live a life of peace and harmony instead of creating conflictt and war. Its not an easy thing to be an overcomer. But when you do begin to move with the power of the word the holy spirit. Your life is different. Things do happen. And heres the bit I like. We try. Only he knows just how victorious we have been in situations where everything was hopeless and we kept fighting. Faith is important to god. More than our obedience or any sacrifice we think we make. You mention faith! And faith is the stronghold for the Christian! With out it, there would be no Christian! A preacher on TV last week said something I'd never put into the words that he did....he said, "Our faith is in that which is finished. That which is done. So why should our faith question anything?" It's true, if we believe in Jesus Christ, we have to take all of what he was and did and what He declared as "finished" as gospel truth and thus our faith is steady in him. And it seems to me IF we believe so strongly in that which has finished, then certainly we'll have no doubts about what Jesus will bring about in the future, eh? Yes the finished work of Christ. Relating to the power of the Cross. I have no doubts at all. Theres an inner confidence. It has nothing to do with emotion. It has everything to do with christianity working for me. I wasnt like this in the meetings. It has come through proving even testing him.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 24, 2014 0:15:16 GMT -5
You never answered my question though. What do you think the earth is made of? Have you been to these cities, seen the entrances and followed them down into the earth? Where does lava come from? How can we use geothermal heat in our homes? Why would you believe in a You tube video and not believe a geologist? I haven't been to Inner earth, but I read of those who did entered the inner earth and they wrote about their experiences. They met and talked to these beings who live in the Inner earth for millions of years. Here's a Testimony and diary of Admiral Byrd as he entered the Hollow Earth with his plane.... listen at 5:49....... Manmoths, lands, Nazi UFO, Blond Nordic race welcome him and want to take a message back to his leaders...... listen at 5:49... Nathan, your delusions seem to know no end. Exotic beliefs about Admiral ByrdSome adherents to the Hollow Earth hypothesis believe that Byrd flew over the North Pole and into the hollow earth in February 1947 and that he kept a secret diary of the incident. This belief was first published in 1957 in F. Amadeo Giannini's book The Worlds Beyond the Poles. Giannini writes that Byrd encountered a humanoid being from another "world" who warned humanity to pursue peace and not war. He also reported that Byrd spotted a living wooly mammoth near the North Pole. One major problem with Giannini's account is that in February 1947, Byrd was leading the highly publicized Operation Highjump in Antarctica and was, consequently , no where near the North Pole. Another problem is that in February the Arctic is in winter and sunlight does not reach the North Pole so that it would have been impossible for Byrd to see something, like a wooly mammoth, from the air. Furthermore, Giannini quotes directly from the 1937 movie Lost Horizon in the dialog of the humanoid Byrd allegedly encountered. wiki
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 24, 2014 9:37:30 GMT -5
ISIS men surely have watched youtube.com where there are play acting of the best winning over those who were not the best....the survival of the fittest....and ISIS is making sure they are the "fittest".
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 24, 2014 13:02:53 GMT -5
Dmg, like I've written many times in the past there are things you have little knowledge of what you're talking about... Nathan, you are right. I do have little knowledge of this nonsense that you're talking about...and I'll keep it that way , thank you.
I haven't the time to fill my mind with a lot of alien ideas!
There are too many interesting facts that are real to gain knowledge about. I don't want to waste time & brain space on baloney.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 24, 2014 13:34:17 GMT -5
Nathan, you are right. I do have little knowledge of this nonsense that you're talking about...and I'll keep it that way , thank you.
I haven't the time to fill my mind with a lot of alien ideas!
There are too many interesting facts that are real to gain knowledge about. I don't want to waste time & brain space on baloney.
It's NONESENSE to you because you don't BELIEVE that is Why! Feel free to ask if you have anymore question/s about Valiant Thor, Dr. Stranges, UFO or beings from other world, etc.. I am happy to answer your questions or any else's. It IS nonsense! It isn't just a fact because that I don't believe it !
It is a fact that nothing can be proved by any independent scientific sturdies!
It's Like eating junk food. It isn't good for anyone's MENTAL health .
It certainly is a waste of one's life & time when they could be doing something profitable for themselves & other people.Why on earth would I want to ask you more questions about Valiant Thor, Dr. Stranges, UFO's?
I don't believe in their conspiracy theories to start with.
Why do you think that you could answer my questions w hen I know that you are relying on u-tube videos & books by charlatons who have no credentials for the junk that they are pedaling?
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